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you. welcome to alex witt reports. it's just past 2:00 p.m. in washington and new york. 8:00 p.m. in kyiv. 9:00 p.m. in moscow on day 25 of the invasion of ukraine. president zelenskyy wrapped up a virtual meeting with israeli leadership pleading for weapons and help with the air defense. zoouken officials say fighting is intensifying at this hour in the besieging southern city of mariupol. this is a new video of a school targeted for shelling earlier this week. shelling also reported in kyiv. reporters capturing video of an apartment building that came under attack. while this new video from southern ukraine shows a convoy of what are believed to be russian zekes. you see the letter "z" painting on those. but there's promising news on

the search for a diplomatic solution to the crisis. turkey's foreign minister reportedly says negotiations between russia and ukraine are moving closer, including ukraine renouncing ambitions to join nato, and protection of the russian language in ukraine. joining us now for a closer look at the hour's developments, ali arouzi joining us from lviv, and gary gram balk standing by at the white house for us. >> where does the situation stand in lviv. >> hi, alex. lviv remains still a safe hub in the city, but it is the home to so many displaced people in this country. but on the north, the east, and the south fronts of this country where the bulk of the russian attacks have taken place, is a relentless attack. places like kyiv, like sumy, like kharkiv, and so many other

places are constantly being bombarded by the russians. and the civilians in these places are being terrorized. we spoke about mariupol earlier. that's a city in ruins. the russians have attacked a children's hospital there. they have bombed apartment buildings. they have bombed churches. they have bombed a theater there on wednesday where many people are still trapped inside. and they can't get them out because of heavy fighting on the streets that's hampering rescue efforts there. and this morning, we learned that the russians bombed an art school. there was also doubling up as a shelter for many people, most of them women, children, and elderly. the mariupol city council say that there are about 400 people in that school, that it's largely destroyed, and many people remain under the rubble. and the situation in other places is just as bad. as you mentioned, apartment

buildings in kyiv have also been bombed this morning. that place is under constant shelling, where president zelenskyy is. that's forcing so many people to leave those places and to come here to lviv. and i have to tell you, we have been out most days talking to people at random, and every single person i have spoken to in lviv wasn't from lviv. they have all been displaced. let's take a listen to what yung lady had to say that we spoke to yesterday that escaped kyiv only a few days ago. >> i think now people start to realize that this is not only the matter of several cities, as they used to think. tragically, people in ukraine used to think, we don't have war. we have war in the eastern part, but not here. not when the war is everywhere, suddenly everyone understands this is their problem. i really hope the neighboring countries will understand this is their problem as well. this is becoming their problem.

>> and the feeling is that the people in ukraine are trying to be bombed into submission by the russians. they're being terrorized in all sorts of places across this country. but i have to tell you, alex, speaking to so many ukrainian people here, their resolve is so strong. they're so determined to come out of this, it's going to be a tough job to bomb them into submission. >> yeah. extraordinary people, that is for sure. thank you for sharing part of their story. much appreciated. right now in neighboring pole nld, thousands of people are planning their exit as russian attacks get closer to the border. claudio lavanga is in warsaw for us. what are you hearing from folks there? >> hey, alex. with the war edging closer and closer to poland, the bombing yesterday near lviv where ali is is less than 50 miles from the border. this war has really brought back

memories, nightmares that polish people hope or thought that would just remain in the history books. for instance, people here know too well what it means for a city like mariupol, as ali was mentioning in eastern ukraine to be completely razed to the ground. warsaw, the capital of poland where i am now, during the second world war, it was almost completely razed to the ground, destroyed by carpet bombing by nazi germany, and poland knows all too well what it means to be invaded. in this case, russia, but in those times the soviet union. so we went around today in this beautiful first day of spring here in warsaw and asked the people whether they are concerned that the war will spill over into this country, and this is what we heard. >> we are very frightened. it's a real risk. we don't know what would happen in the near future. but it's very uncertain

situation. we would like this war to stop as soon as possible. our son is living in london, but perhaps we should leave war swa and go to london. >> very worried. >> one sign that people here in poland are hoping for the best but preparing for the worst is the massive spike in the request for the application for new passports and renewal of old passports. we have heard, we have learned that in a district here in warsaw, there were only in the month of february 28,000 new applications for passports. now compare that, alex, to 9,000 in the whole of 2021. we spoke to the mayor of another district who told us that people here from monday to friday, they

are queue from 4:00 in the morning until dark. if the war really arrives here, they want to be ready to run away, just as it is happening and we saw it happen in kyiv and other parts of ukraine. >> they want to be prepared to flee on a moment's notice. let me ask about the ukrainian refugees. how are they doing overall there? >> well, there's more than 2 million refugees here in pole poland now, and they have access to social security numbers, to jobs if they want to remain here. their children can go to school. they have access to medical care, but all they want is to go back home. we went out today as well and spoke to one of these refugees who told us what her hopes are. this is what she had to say. >> i don't want to, like, move

permanently to europe or another country. i want to go home. and i honestly really hope that i will be able soon. we are all kind of in a state of we don't want to start building new life wherever we are because we want to go home. >> as you can hear, a lot of refugees here really all they want is just to go back home. the problem is that they don't know when they'll be able to do it if they'll be able to do it, alex. >> that means they also don't want to stray too far, which puts a lot of pressure on neighboring countries there with ukraine. thank you for that. what about president biden? he's due back at the white house any moment now, we're told, ahead of a very busy week of diplomacy over sees. let's talk about what's on the president's agenda when he lands in europe? it's going to be a very busy time in brussels. >> hey, there. yeah, the president is supposed to land here in a few minutes, and he's coming back to a

washington that really has a split focus here this upcoming week. first, all eyes are on capitol hill with the nomination hearings for ketanji brown jackson, and wednesday the president is heading to europe where he's having meetings on thursday with the g7, nato, and european council. we know this is a very important week for him, and he actually may have more travel ahead of that, not just in brussels, belgium. we don't know where that is going to be. we're told there will be more announcements later today. one place he's not going to be going is ukraine, according to white house press secretary jen psaki. she said he will not be visiting the country of ukraine. i think for obvious reasons. the face-to-face diplomacy is something that the president is really, this is something he has loved as a politician and something that's been a trademark of really who he is, this face-to-face conversations. he did it on the campaign trail with voters, and this week we'll see him doing it with foreign leaders in europe. but what is going to be

happening at the meetings and what is going to come out of the meetings? that's the big question on everybody's mind and one that jonathan capehart asked linda thomas greenfield just this morning. here's what she had to say. >> certainly, the purpose of the meeting is to consult further with our partners and our allies on additional actions that we will take to address this aggression, this brutality that the russians are carrying out in ukraine and to see what other measures we might take to increase the pressure. but it's also to coordinate our support for our allies, and particularly those that are along the border with ukraine. >> now, this oversea travel for president biden comes as rns thinks he should be doing more faster for ukraine. minority leader mitch mcconnell says president biden is doing generally done the right thing but not soon enough. as you can see from the map there, a number of biden

administration officials have been all over europe in the past few weeks, really trying to show their allied support for ukraine. so a real consequential week coming up for the biden administration. alex. >> 100% right. okay, gary, thank you so much at the white house. >> new reports are suggesting the first phase of russia's war may be coming to an end. my next guest says that means u.s. aid and support will be needed now more than ever. >> tech: need to get your windshield fixed? safelite makes it easy. >> tech vo: you can schedule in just a few clicks.

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this. is he running low on precision guided munitions? does he lack complete confidence in the ability of his troops to reestablish momentum? but i don't see this in and of itself a game changer. i cannot confirm or dispute whether or not he's used those weapons. >> defense secretary lloyd austin on russia's announcement that its military has launched

hypersonic weapons in ukraine for the second straight day. joining me now is ben hodges, the former commander general of the u.s. army europe as well as allied land command, standing headquarters for nato land forces, now he's pershing chair in strategic studies in the center center european studies. glad to have you here for your insights. you were quoted, as you well know, in both "the new york times" and "washington post" today, on how and why russia's ground offensive has stalled. so what you heard there from general austin, do you agree with him? and is that the reason that russia may be deploying these hypersonic missiles? >> well, alex, this is the decisive phase of the campaign. i mean, i really do believe the next few days are going to determine whether or not russia can resume its offensive or whether or not the momentum shifts completely to ukraine. i tend to believe it's going to shift to the advantage of

ukraine. secretary austin, of course, would have a better insight than me on specific intelligence about the weapons, but the weapons, they don't have enough. there's no way they have enough for those to really change the outcome. unfortunately, they're going to continue murdering innocent ukrainians. but it's not going to change what i think is the eventual outcome of this. this week, i hope our president when he's in brussels with all of his peers, that he announced, says look, america is the arsenal of democracy. this is about democracy versus autocracy, we're hesitated too much. we have all of the advantages in this situation. and i think the white house after a great start has become hesitant, and he needs to light a fire under everybody this week while he's in brussels. >> general, is there any way this prophecy you're putting forth that you believe the war is going to shift to the favor

of ukraine, is there anything russia could do that you are aware of that could have that not come true? i mean, and it could be a frightening prospect. >> yeah, sure. i'm not sure i love the word prophecy. that has a connotation, but yeah, i'm willing to put it out there and say that i do believe my professional assessment is that russia is going to culminate, the culminating point, within the next five to six days because they have serious manpower shortages, serious logistical problems. the rumors are flying around about the head of the fsb being arrested, clearly, the crepe ln is starting to look for scapegoats. you have six generals killed so far. these are indicators of a lot of different problems. so what does the kremlin do? of course, they could use chemical weapons. putin has used poison, a nerve agent against his own people, both in the uk and of course

against navalny. so i wouldn't put it past him to use some sort of chemical agent. but i have got to believe that there are people around him that are thinking about life after this. that they do not want to be with him when he drives the bus off the cliff. same when it comes to nuclear weapons. a tactical nuclear weapon, smaller nuclear weapon will be terrible, but that will not change the eventual outcome as long as we continue to provide what is needed to ukraine. >> this new assessment, sir, from the institute for the study of war says that the initial russian campaign to seize kyiv and major cities and force some sort of a regime change has utterly failed. would you go that far? do you agree? >> completely. the wheels have come off. the institute, isw, does a very good job, have some good analysts over there, but the things -- i kind of fought myself a little bit.

i have been watching russia for the past several years. we have been concerned about what they would do, but i overestimated their capability. i should have realized they do not have the experience of conducting joint multidomain operations at this scale. what they were doing in syria, what they did in crimea in 2014 is nothing compared to what they attempted here. this lack of experience has shown itself in poor discipline, in the logistical problems. the fact that their commanders are relying on ukrainian cell service to talk to each other, which is why many are being killed, by the way, but it also reflects, i think, decades of corruption inside and around the russian government, particularly the ministry of defense. all of that money that was spent, and yet i don't think they have a single sergeant that would make it in the united states army. and the sergeants are the ones that are responsible for the discipline and training of soldiers. and it's obviously not there.

>> yeah, extraordinary assessment there. so if the outlook for russia's initial plans are as bad as you say, what is a plan b for vladimir putin? you have worked with nato. you have been leading the charge in europe. you have studied russia. how is he going to come away from this? >> it's very difficult. this is the dilemma because i certainly don't see any indication that he's really into self-reflection and hey, maybe i got this wrong, and so i think what he's resorted to is traditional russian medieval approach to warfare, which is smashing cities, murdering civilians. creating massive refugee problems that put huge pressure on the zelenskyy government, but obviously, as your reporters so clearly identified, pressures on other european governments to do

something. i think it's impressive. the administration has done a good job of keeping everybody together in the face of this terrible pressure. but unfortunately, until we can give the ukrainians the ability to destroy russian ships and to destroy russian long range artillery and rockets, this is going to continue. and you know, scleb anuzzi, 1995, we stood outside while 8,000 men and boys were murdered. i don't want to see us standing by anymore. >> last question to you, general, that being you said the u.s. needs to lead efforts to expand the support to ukraine on the scale and sense of the urgency of the berlin airlift. what should that look like? >> so the volume and the quantity and the speed of delivery of stuff, i'm not

seeing it. i know that there are people working like dogs around the cloc lugist titians here in europe, but there should have been 1,000 of these things. that could make a difference. a swarm of switchblades heading for a russian navy ship or going after fuel trunks. we're still metering things out too slowly, too painful. we should be the arsenal of democracy, because that's what this is about. and i think the white house candidly is being too hesitant here. >> i'm going to make sure my viewers know the switchblades you're referring to are drones and more are needed. i appreciate the conversation. general ben hodges, thank you, sir. >> the u.s. and allies have surely stepped up military support for ukraine, but should they be doing more to facilitate diplomatic efforts? we'll look at that.

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restrictions, but you always have to have the flexibility. >> dr. fauci also says the new variant does not appear to be any more severe nor evade immune responses from vaccinations. >> now to the new details on the crisis summit this week in europe. president biden will meet with nato allies in brussels as the war in ukraine advances toward the military alliance's doorstep. let's go to josh lederman joining us from brussels. what's the latest there in term of expectations, josh? >> when you think of all the reasons president putin said he had to go into ukraine, it's all front and center here in brussels, home to nato whose expansion into eastern europe president putin says threatens his security. it's written into the ukrainian constitution that they aspear to join the nato alliance, and here in brussels is also home to the european union where president biden will also spend time during his visit on thursday. many of the eu nations, france, germany, and others, deeply

involved in the diplomatic efforts to try to come up with some resolution to end this war. and president biden will also be discussing with those allies what control countries like the u.s. and other eu nations could play potentially in securing security for ukraine if it were to come up with some type of an agreement with russia in which ukraine would have some type of a neutral status, something the russians and ukrainians have been discussing in recent days. when it comes to stepping up support for ukraine, something that is also high on the agenda here, it is really congress who has played a leading role, alex, in pushing the biden administration to do more. first, in cutting off those imports of oil and energy products from russia into the united states. and now with the talks of a no-fly zone, supported by many in congress, although reswised by others and by the biden administration. senator john barrasso of wyoming was on television earlier today where he described what biden

has to do in his view for this to be a successful trip. take a listen. >> number one is he needs to tell nato that we collectively are going to supply the people of ukraine things that they know how to use. whether it's drones, planes, missile systems. number two, he has to say he is going to go from brussels to the eastern front of nato to show the resolve of nato and the united states commitment as well. and third, he needs to say to the people of europe who are really in a tough situation with regard to energy and the dependence that they have on russian energy, that we are going to increase the exporting of liqueied natural gas from america to them. >> and so to give viewers an idea of what they can and cannot expect from biden to actually do, on that first point from senator barrasso, u.s. officials say the u.s. absolutely will be planning to offer additional not only humanitarian but security

assistance to ukraine in the coming days and weeks. when it comes to visiting one of the eastern flank countries to show support for nato, that is something the white house acknowledges is under consideration but has not made a final decision about whether that will be part of the visit, although they have ruled out president biden going to ukraine itself. when it comes to increasing u.s. energy exports, that's one area where president biden really has a different point of view, certainly at least with senate republicans. president biden insisting, yes, europe and the west need to reduce their energy reliance on russia, but they need to do it by increasing their reliance on renewable energy sources, not by pumping more energy out of the ground in the united states. >> lots of important discussions ahead. thank you for the preview. joining me now, congresswoman pramila jayapal, chair of the congressional progressive caucus and member of the judiciary committee. a really good friend to us. it's good to have you here. let me play for you something former u.s. ambassador to china

gary lock told me yesterday. here's that. >> this is really something that has to be decided between ukraine and russia. and obviously, the west is very supportive of the position of the ukrainian people and the ukrainian government. but ultimately, it's a discussion between these two countries. you don't need to add more people into the kitchen, quite frankly. >> congresswoman, do you agree with that sentiment? do you think the u.s. should have more of a direct involvement diplomatically? >> well, alex, great to see you. look, i think our governor, that's the governor of my state, former governor of my state, is right when he says ultimately the discussion has to be between ukraine and russia. of course, that doesn't mean that the united states doesn't play a key role in continuing to support ukraine in whatever ways possible, in rallying nato support, and worldwide support, which the united states has played a leading role. at the end of the day, this is ukraine. the is the sovereignty of

ukraine as a country, and they have to be the ones to negotiate what is acceptable. so i think that's what the governor was saying, and i agree with that. i think the biden administration agrees with that as well. >> but the reason i ask this question is because the main response from the white house and congress is to send more military aid to ukraine before russia had invaded ukraine, you stressed the importance of a diplomatic solution, having that rather than a military one. what is your response to all that's happened, and do you think there's not enough at least talk about the u.s. outreach on the diplomatic front to russia perhaps? >> well, i actually think that there has been tremendous diplomatic outreach. i think the challenge, alex, is when you get into a situation like this where russia has launched this outrageous and illegal, unjustifiable aggression on ukraine. then the position that we are in as the united states and the

position the biden administration i think has rightly taken is we have to de-escalate and focus on diplomacy, which is why they have been so careful about how we are helping. and this is a very thin needle to thread. but the reality is that what we need to do is make the cost and the consequence of russia's war as untenable as possible so that it pushes russia to a diplomatic solution versus to continued military action. that is what the sanctions have been about. that is what the weapons have been about. the military assistance. but notice that we're being very careful about which weapons we're sending and we're being very careful to not move in the direction of escalation through something like a no-fly zone or the supply of planes directly from the united states. these are very careful calculations. and i think the biden administration has been doing a remarkable job in a moment where

all of the pressure is to escalate. and in that situation, what we need to do is really keep the pressure to de-escalate and to continue diplomatic efforts, but don't forget that a lot of diplomacy happens behind the scenes. not in the open daylight that we tend to hear on television. >> but when it comes to diplomacy, you have to wonder if vladimir putin comes to any negotiating table authentically, legitimately, looking for a negotiation. you had secretary blinken saying this week the u.s. can't have good faith negotiations with putin right now. but without peace talks, what is the way out of this? >> well, first of all, i think what putin wants more than anything is to engage the united states in a direct conflict with russia. that then justifies him moving to an even more aggressive nuclear war potentially, which of course would be devastating

for two nuclear powers to go up against each other. we just have to keep that in mind. at the same time, what is the end to this? i think the end to this has to be, and we don't know, alex, if this is possible. that is what is so stressful and trying about this particular moment, but as your journalists reported, your reporter reported, the solution is something around ukraine accepting, if they will, some sort of a security agreement for neutrality along with neutrality, and perhaps some sort of a settlement with crimea and something has to happen with the east. and russia then pulling back from everything else. and i think even in that situation, there's got to be some assurances that russia isn't going to just renew its strength over the next year and then do this again. so this is a very difficult -- you know, there are no good

choices on the table in this situation because this was an unprovoked, unjustifiable, illegal war of aggression with tremendous humanitarian consequences. look at the millions of refugees streaming out of ukraine and, alex, i would say, millions -- i don't know what the number is, but a significant number of russians also leaving russia because they know that this is not a country that is going to prioritize human rights going forward. >> yeah. let's take a listen to something that senator chris murphy said this morning on "meet the press," and he talked about putin's role in the world order moving forward. here's that. >> he was in the world order because we allowed for our allies and the united states to be dependent on the products that he produced. so no, we should not allow vladimir putin back into the world order but we should also be wise to the fact this is the moment to make the united states, europe, the rest of the world independent of the product that russia makes, oil and gas. if we don't do that, then you

will ultimately be forced to keep him at the table. >> do you agree with the senator? should putin be cut out, but is that even possible? >> i absolutely agree. and i think, you know, for many of us, we have been focusing on the transition to renewables as part of saving our planet and our people from climate change. but i think what you are seeing in this moment, alex, is actually another reason for us to transition as quickly as possible. and that is we do not want to be dependent on dictators like vladimir putin for oil, and frankly, many of the other countries that are supplying oil as well are in a similar place. i think we have to be very clear that this is the moment for that transition to renewables, to clean energy, so we can wean ourselves of products that rely on us having a relationship with dictators like putin. and i would just say that europe is already in that place for the

most part. i was having dinner the other night with some ambassadors and folks from the european union. and i will tell you that the conversation for them is absolutely about how this shows that it is time, urgent, past time for us to transition to renewable energy and off of oil. not the time to invest in several years of more drilling and more oil. >> yeah. congresswoman pramila jayapal, with whom i usually discuss many domestic issues. given what's going on in ukraine, it is what it is, my friend. thank you so much. >> you may have heard about the russian state tv employee who interrupted a broadcast to protest the war. now she's explaining why she did it. you're going to want to hear what she has to say. riatic arth. but we are so much more. we're team players and artists. designers and do-it-yourselfers. parents and friends.

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propaganda back home. it comes after he held a pro war rally in a stadium of thousands of supporter on friday while russian news channels report the country's special operation in ukraine is going according to plan. joining me is julia davis, russian media analyst and columnist for the daily beast. welcome to you. we have marina ovsyannikova, that's the state tv employee who was arrested after she interrupted the live state broadcast holding a sign criticizing the war. so far, she's only been fined for her protest. she was interviewed this morning. let's take a listen to a bit of what she had to say. here's that. >> as soon as the war began, i could not eat. i could not sleep. i came to work. and after a week of coverage of this situation, the atmosphere on the first channel was so unpleasant that i realized that

i could not go back there. i could see what in reality was happening in ukraine. and what we showed on our programs was very different from what was going on in reality. >> what is your response to her remarks? >> i applaud marina's bravery, and she certainly took a large risk here, from everything i'm hearing from kremlin spokesmen to the state duma speaker, they're not done with her yet. and there is a criminal probe that is currently pending. they're portraying her as a traitor. they're describing her anti-war protest as something that is vile and are urging that she be dealt with in the harshest way possible. i suspect they're trying to wait it out because they believe that the west's attention span is short. they usually say we only have about a couple weeks' attention

span, and at that point, i believe they might come after brave marina with more charges. >> well, how courageous she is for sure. you wrote earlier this week, julia, on kremlin controlled state tv, which is really the only place most of the population can even get their information, pundits and reporters are blaming the alleged naziification of ukraine's government for their invasion. tell us more about how state media is covering the war, and are any opposing views expressed? >> it is a rarity for any opposing views to be expressed, even in the slightest. there were a couple of pundits that dared to ask that this war end as soon as possible. that was the only mild, mild opposition to it that i have heard thus far. the russian government criminalized even calling the war by its proper name. they're presenting it as a so-called liberation of the ukrainians from the allegedly

nazi government, which is a complete fallacy. the ukrainian president is jewish. there are no nazis in the ukrainian government. what is really at the core of it is putin's desire to capture and punish anyone who opposed his annexation of crimea and the creeping annexation of donbas, which he recently celebrated. they're tryish to crush the ukrainian opposition to putin's aggression. >> you wrote about vladimir putin's mega rally at the stadium to drum up support for the war. he held an even larger one on friday. what do you take away from his rallies? >> i am sensing serious concerns from putin and also from other government officials. they're still trying to justify this war. there is no way to do it. and the nazi explanation is not

cutting it. russians are not stupid. many of them are linked directly to ukraine. they know it's not a nazi government, and they're not yearning to be liberated from it. so they have moved on to explaining it by being forced to do this by nato, by the united states, making ludicrous claims about bioweapons or ukraine even allegedly building a dirty nuclear bomb. so this rally was meant to gin up the same kind of support that putin enjoyed from the russian people that almost unanimously supported his annexation of crimea. he's trying to link this ongoing war to the excitement and the patriotic zeal from 2014, and i don't think his successful as he was hoping he would be. >> russian media analyst julia davis, thank you for joining me and giving us your insights of what people are seeing in

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♪ a new poll shows the russian invasion in ukraine is uniting americans on a major political issue, for the first time in recent history, 85% of americans wanting to keep strict economic sanctions on russia, 77% supporting keeping large numbers of u.s. forces in nato countries near ukraine. joining me now is hayes brown, columnist and editor for msnbc daily. welcome to you, my friend. what are you hearing about america's response to the invasion? >> i mean, right now, what i'm hearing is that the biden administration really should be getting more credit for its strategic patience when it came to dealing with ukraine. and to the long term planning that has to take place in order to have this coordinated response amongst the u.s. and its allies.

in actually pushing back and putting these sanctions on russia. now, that poll you just showed is fascinating to me. it's interesting that both democrats and republicans are interested in maintaining economic sanctions on russia. i would be curious to go into the polling itself to see how much the poll workers explained to the respondents what those sanctions entail and what will happen to the american people. that's one of the things that i think is really going to make or break the sanctions campaign moving forward on such a large economy as russia. we have never had this scale of sanctions on a major economy the size of russia's. and while it touches on the global economy in this way. so how long will the u.s. and europeans be able to keep this pressure up and the disruption that will come? especially in the price of crude oil and how we see that affect gas prices. i really am curious to see how people -- how much people know about what these sanctions

entail. >> 100%. key question you're posing there and we'll see whether all that is revealed down the road. as we switch gears, i want to talk about the confirmation hears for ketanji brown jackson. they begin tomorrow. even though it appears republicans don't have anything to lose by confirming her because the conservative branch will continue to hold the majority in the court, some republicans are already scrutinizing her judicial record. do you think this is going to turn into something of a partisan spectacle? >> i mean, it's a senate hearing. of course it's going to become a partisan spectacle. that's kind of what they're for at this point. i'm really hoping it will be toned down level of spectacle, like i know there are serious republicans on the court, on this committee who want to ask actual questions about the justice' record that will reveal what she will think as she sits on the bench, hopefully for many, many years to come. but i am concerned about the

showboating questions, the questions like you're showing josh hawley right now, him and others will ask. knowing good and well that they're framing the questions in bad faith. that's what i am most worried about. the questions that are like, well, why -- you were a criminal defender. why do you want to see rapist and murderers on the streets? things of that nature, these people are smart people, they're lawyers. they know what the law is. they know how the justice system works. >> hayes, look, here's something, though. this was going to be a major historical moment. i mean, isn't a risk for republicans to make this a messy fight? >> you would think so, but really, a risk in what sense? in that they would displease they own base? the senate does function different lay from the house in the facts these republicans will have to win state-wide races. they have to win moderates for the most part in able to keep

their seats in these states that have closer margins. but if we're talking about primary elections, red meat for the base, good footage for commercials, then i think that there's very little for them to lose on that front. >> okay. forgot about the campaign ads. right you are, my friend. hayes brown, good to see you. appreciate you on this sunday. that's going to do it for me. i'll see you again next saturday at noon eastern. my friend yasmin vossoughian continues our coverage. if you're age 50 to 85, and looking to buy life insurance on a fixed budget, remember the three ps. what are the three ps? the three ps of life insurance on a fixed budget are price, price, and price. a price you can afford, a price that can't increase, and a price that fits your budget. i'm 54, what's my price? you can get coverage for $9.95 a month.

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hi, everybody. good afternoon. i'm yasmin vossoughian. it's 3:00 p.m. here in new york city, 9:00 p.m. in ukraine. the people there, they are continuing to fight, to keep control of their country, their home, after more than three weeks of attacks and aggression from moscow. ukrainian president zelenskyy calling on israel's knesset in a virtual meeting a short time ago to take a stronger stand against russia. zelenskyy accusing russian president vladimir putin of trying to carry out a, quote, permanent solution against ukraine. his speech following comments from turkey's foreign minister that negotiations between russia and ukraine, they rin fact progressing. and that the sides are closer on critical issues including ukraine dropping its goal to join nato and