hi, everybody. good afternoon. i'm yasmin vossoughian. it's 3:00 p.m. here in new york city, 9:00 p.m. in ukraine. the people there, they are continuing to fight, to keep control of their country, their home, after more than three weeks of attacks and aggression from moscow. ukrainian president zelenskyy calling on israel's knesset in a virtual meeting a short time ago to take a stronger stand against russia. zelenskyy accusing russian president vladimir putin of trying to carry out a, quote, permanent solution against ukraine. his speech following comments from turkey's foreign minister that negotiations between russia and ukraine, they rin fact progressing. and that the sides are closer on critical issues including ukraine dropping its goal to join nato and ukraine's

demilitarization. and officials in the besieged city of mariupol claim that russian forces shelled an art school where 400 residents including women and children and the elderly were in fact sheltering. new video seen here shows the destruction of another school officials say was targeted earlier this week. and russia's military now saying it has launched a second strike on ukrainian facilities using hypersonic missiles. the second time ever during war time. however, msnbc has not yet been able to independently verify that claim. fears of chemical weapons used are also being heightened right now, but nato's secretary-general saying that would be a, quote, brutal violation of international law. >> any use of chemical weapons will be a blatant and brutal violation of international law. the ban on the u.s. of chemical weapons. we are very much aware that we need to act in a way that prevents this conflict from

going from being a bloody, ugly, horrific conflict in ukraine to something that turns out to be a full-fledged war between nato and russia. >> and then the number of the day, the people of the day, the loss of the day. 10 million. that's how many refugees have fled the war, fled their homes, lost their homes for now in ukraine. or have been displaced so far, according to the u.n. we're going to begin with that news out of mariupol. city council officials reporting hundreds of elderly refugees, women, children, they're currently trapped under rubble after russian forces bombed an art school converted into a shelter. ali, good to see you. the president, volodymyr zelenskyy has accused russia of war crimes in mariupol because of the latest bombing there. what do we know about this attack? >> that's right, yasmin, and president zelenskyy last week

said our hearts are broken by what the russians are doing to our mariupol and of course this morning the russians hit an art school with a bomb again, the city council says that there were about 400 people in that bayment of that art school taking refuge from the persistent bombing. most of them women, children, and elderly. they say that many of them are still trapped under the rubble, but rescue efforts are being hampered there because of the constant fighting in mariupol. and because it's so difficult to get to these places, they don't have an exact number of casualties or fatalities, but we have seen what the russians have done to mariupol. they have hit a children's hospital. they have destroyed apartment buildings. they have shelled churches. so this is just another day of horrific attacks in that besieged, very important port city. and yasmin, i have to tell you, all of the people we have

interviewed, all of the accounts we have heard out of mariupol payments a horrific picture. we spoke to one young man yesterday who escaped mariupol several weeks ago. he's lost touch with his family. let's have a listen to what he had to say. >> people no have eat, no have water. and i don't have a connection with my family. it's emotional. >> and lines of communication with mariupol are getting more and more difficult. and the situation there continues to become even more desperate as people don't have heating, running water, food, so it's an appalling situation

there. >> along with that appalling situation, we're hearing the tactics the russian forces are taking there in mariupol, accusing russian forces there of kidnapping, deporting ukrainian refugees to russian cities, by the way, these are stalin era tactics, ali. what do we know about this? >> that's right. officials in mariupol are saying that the russians have forcibly taken thousands of citizens across the border against their will. now i have to tell you, nbc news can't independently verify this, but more and more testimonials are coming out to back up those claims that the russians are doing this. one mariupol city councillor said between 4,000 and tive,000 people had been forcibly taken across the border to an area in russia along the southeastern border of ukraine. many of them without their passports. it's not clear what sort of conditions they're being kept in. that city councillor said the russians are now going through

houses, basements, and just nabbing anybody they see and taking them across the border, so that adds a new layer of terror to these citizens that are already experiencing just horrifying conditions there. the russians say that thousands of ukrainians have asked them to help to escape to russia. but those are, again, claims the russians are making without any evidence. >> and then all of this while the u.s. is just confirming now those hypersonic missile strikes we have been talking about over the last 48 hourso so by russian troops near lviv where you are. when russia's military in fact announced again it had launched even more, this time at a ukrainian fuel depot. what do we know about that? >> that's right. there was the first attack with a hypersonic missile yesterday about 80 miles south of where we are in lviv. and then another one today in a fuel depot. so from everything i have heard, this isn't a strategic change in

the war plan for the russians. but it is a message from the russians that they are able to use very advanced new age weapons to specifically target places. and to basically scare the population here, and it might be sending a message to the west to frighten them from helping the ukrainians along these strategic places in the west of the country that will give humanitarian aid, supply lines, ammunition. so it's again another fright tactic by the russians and also the russians showing off what sort of advanced weaponry they have in this battle, even though they're making little progress on that land. >> ali arouzi, thank you. i'm going to speak to you again in the next hour. please stay close. >> want to bring in the head of ukraine's center for civil liberties. thank you so much for joining us. so glad you're able to speak to us at this hour. i want to talk first with you

about these kind of stalin era tactics that we're hearing about, that nbc has not yet been able to confirm. the kidnapping of ukrainians in the city of mariupol and then the shipping of these ukrainians, sending of these ukrainians to russian areas, to russian cities, amidst all of the uncertainty and fear that exists in your war-torn country, what do you make of it? >> we heard about these tactics at 7 march when the first idea appeared in russian media that russia is able to provide humanitarian corridors, but the corridors have to lead to russia itself. and then we published an open statement which was supported by dozens of human rights organizations of ukraine and we described that it's very dangerous for civilians to be transferred to russia. take nothing to account especially the fact that russia

changed the criminal court and now every people can be imprisoned for 15 years only for anti-war claims. >> alexandra, i know you have recounted in bomb shelters in ukraine right now you are not saying to each other good night. instead, you are saying protect our sky. we have heard repeatedly from the west, from the united states government, from the president himself here along with many european countries that a no-fly zone is a no go at this current juncture because of the fact they fear it could turn into world war iii. it could turn into direct conflict between the united states and moscow. what else can be done? >> there is alternative. we need to -- a weapon in order to provide the defense by ourselves. and i'm sorry, just my colleague told me that we have to -- there is a huge explosion and maybe

after several seconds we can lose connection. so what i want to tell that we need fighter planes. we need air defense system. we need weapons in order to protect our sky. if west quadrant closes sky, at least provide us weapons because drone, it's not enough. drone is -- there is a huge difference between drone and air defense systems. >> alexandra, i want you to be safe wherever you are right now, so if you have to go, if you have to seek safety because of this explosion you just mentioned, please take the time to seek safety. are you okay to keep talking or do you need to go? >> i'm okay. i'm okay. >> what are you learning about what your colleague is telling you? do you know anything about this explosion, how far it is from you, where it is? >> i hear -- i don't know. i hear it now, but i think i can continue. so we will continue. >> how often are you hearing explosions like this, and how does that make you feel?

>> we regularly feel explosion because russian deliberately is shelling kyiv, as they target its residential buildings, the schools, kindergarten, hospitals. and you never know which will be under such shelling. i feel myself okay but not secure. >> you know the american president, president biden, is actually traveling to brussels this week. there will be meetings between nato and eu nations. what are you hoping is going to come out of that to help protect your country against this russian invasion, against this war? >> i ask president biden to provide us long-range distance weapon. we are very grateful for all support which we get already, but it's not enough. we need time. and in order to get this time,

we need weapons. we need economic sanctions like ban all russian banks, not only several russian banks from s.w.i.f.t. we need to put russia on black list and other things which can provide us time to resist. >> there is a new poll out citing 93% of your fellow countrymen, 93% of ukrainians believing that the country will be able to repel a russian invasion. with what you're asking for from the american president, from the european community, do you believe ukrainians can win this war? >> i have no doubt that sooner or later, ukraine will win. because putin want to return us to the past. he want to return us to the logic of the soviet union. ukraine had made our democratic choice 30 years ago when we

fight for our independence. eight years ago, we fight for our democratic choice and dignity, and paid a high price for it when protesters were gunned down in the center of kyiv. now in this war with russia, we're fighting for the right to have a democratic choice, and history placed against putin, he will lose. >> you have posted so many incredible video of other ukrainians, a man playing the ukrainian national anthem from his balcony, farmers going through every obstacle just to get basic necessities to other ukrainians. what have you learned about your people during one of the hardest times this country has ever seen? >> i never wish any nation to go through such kind of time and such kind of challenges which we face at the current moment. but i know for sure that this dramatic times provide

ukrainians the chance to express our best features. now we feel a huge wave of solidarity. a huge wave of courage among ordinary people. ordinary people in ukraine started to do unordinary things, and we become better than we are. >> thank you so much for sticking with us. please seek safety. be safe in your time there. and thank you for talking the time to speak with us about the situation in your country. we wish you the best and our thoughts are with you. still ahead, everybody, what can be done to force vladimir putin to the negotiating table? i'm going to be joined by congresswoman jan schakowsky of illinois. a member of the congressional ukrainian caucus. plus, evacuees are pouring over ukraine's borders into neighboring countries with space becoming more and more limited. we're live in warsaw, poland, with the latest on the refugee

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their lives at risk opening a kitchen and baking bread. cooking with whatever they have. and then bringing the food to the people that they are in basements. these shelters, afraid. for me, it gives me a little bit of hope to know that there are people that are not going to be those women and children and elderly forgotten, and the least we can do in the kitchen is be next to them making sure that they will be fed every day. >> that was chef jose andreas speaking with ali velshi. as russia's invasion of ukraine comes close to poland's borders, record numbers of polish nationals rush to apply or renew their passports. one region accepting more than 28,000 passport requests compared to just 9,000 during all of 2021. nbc's claudio lavanga is joining us now from warsaw. talk us through these astounding numbers, the uptick that we're

seeing amongst polish nationals seeking passports and what they intend to do. >> that's right, yasmin. this massive spike in passport applications is a clear sign that polish people around here are hoping for the best but they are preparing for the worst. so we went out to the center of warsaw today to ask whether they are concerned that the war will spill over into this country, and this is what they had to say. >> we are worried because they are near to our country. so we care about it. russia, we don't know what they're thinking. probably will not be a war or something like this, i'm going to stay here in my country. we always have our country. >> we spoke to a mayor of a district here in warsaw who

confirmed to nbc news that since the start of the war, he's seen queues of people, polish people queueing up to get a new passport or renew an old passport from 4:00 in the morning, and he thinks that this is exactly for that reason, he thinks that they are doing that just in case, to be ready to evacuate, to run away just in case things take a turn for the worst, yasmin. >> so fear of a spillover of this war into polish territory, which would mean major trouble for the entire world as we know it, of course. but what do ukrainians feel about that inso many ukrainian refugees have sought safety and poland. if that were to happen, then what? >> well, there are already of course more than 2 million ukrainian refugees who have arrived here in poland. and they're being granted special permission by the governments to stay here for at least 18 months and to apply for

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and russian forces have made gains, taking control of areas seen in red. its largest land grabs coming in the south and in the east. but they have only seized one major city, kerr shaun, and even there, they fell victim to a daring airport raid by ukrainian forces. >> we're all surprised by the inability of the russians to achieve their objectives and they are too. what they have done in response to their inability is to pursue a scorched-earth policy. >> throughout the country, russia has damaged or destroyed some 9300 miles of roads, 1600 residential buildings and 15 airports, either damaged, destroyed, or captured. one out of every five ukrainian lives has been upended. 3.3 million have flooded into neighboring countries, and the u.n. smites more than 800 civilians have been killed. numbers only a useful guide for scale. they can never measure the pain of a life forever changed. >> the number of the people of lives lost, astonishing.

>> thank you to cal perry for that reporting. so thousands of people, they are crammed into basements across ukraine, to shelter from russian attacks. but with supply lines blocked, many running out of food. the bbc is reporting hundreds of people are suffering serious infections from shrapnel wounds, infections that can kill them and also be cured, by the way, if they only had one bottle of antibiotics. ukrainian soldiers are also in need. they lack the basic necessities to continue to fight, but much of europe is rallying together, risking their own lives to sneak supplies into this war-torn region. "the washington post" was able to get a rare glimpse into the daring supply runs. richard lui is here to tell us all about that. >> you know, it's amazing. it's had rowic and almost impossible all at the same time. a secret underground supply system of protective military equipment and humanitarian aid for ukraine. "the washington post," you just mentioned, giing a glimpse.

a journalist and his photographer allowed to enbed only if they turn off their camera's geolocation stamping. they carried 45 vehicles and about 24 tons of diesel. you can see one of the road shots right here. in this case, coming from lithuanians. it was driven entirely by volunteers who traveled all night in this convoy to get to the ukrainian border. items in this shipment, if you look into it, things like generators, radios, body armor. they have medical supplies, surveillance drones, night vision gear, satellite phones, saline solution, and the list as you can tell from the boxes goes on and on. this is like a food bank of the highest order of life and death for ukrainian soldiers and citizens not too far away. but far enough. this community lifeline comes from afar, as i was mentioned, from a country, lithuania, under 3 million people, but as you can tell with energy and drive so

many more times than its size. there is more in this ad hoc supply chain i want to share with you. every day pickups and suvs transformed into fighting vehicles. the u.s. military have humvees, ukraine, they get cars that carried families only months ago, windows as you saw there tinted to make it harder for shooters to see who's driving it. it also reduces window shattering along the way. and this shot you see right now, you can see that they are painted it into a color that is tough to see in the outdoors. this is that window tinting i was talking about. in the doors themselves, thick steel plates put inside. welded to protect from bullets and blasts. painted dark as i just mentioned to blend. all this defensive in nature, by the way, no offensive supplies in this convoy. now, when they can, the soldiers, they do stop to eat, right? but on the front lines. that's where you have this field mess kitchen that they're loading up into one of those big

trucks. it's movable in moments if they need to retreat or advance looj the way. the gauntlet of goods begins here. late at night, they gather. they get their travel plans. they can't see anything. a falynx of lithuanian and polish officers and they get on the road, they're bump toor bumper. the lights are flashing, the sirens are going on and on for 19 hours. they do take a two-hour nap. on the side of the road. now, one of the people that is behind this stuff, jonas. jonas omen and his nonprofit group. they received about $200,000 a year to repukraine resist russian military inversions. now jonas is getting $20 million since the beginning of this invasion. that's a lot. jonas now is on a buying spree. he's getting caring sellers giving him bargain surprises for reasons you understand.

here's jonas who spoke to ali velshi yesterday. >> the u.s. and also other countries, the brits, have provided anti-tank equipment, javelins, et cetera. we provide the pickup trucks that have been used for a kind of ambush tactics where ukraines go in and fire the weapons and withdraw quickly with the help of these pickup trucks. we have been followed, tracked. of course, i'm not sure what priority we have as a target, but definitely yes. we are part of the war effort in ukraine. >> but as you know, donations do not buy safety. you just have to look at these pictures here. the convoy entered ukraine just a few miles from where russian forces right here destroyed a military post. the pentagon says long range bombers killed 35 people. all said, this convoy that we have been talking about, it arrived safely. another leaves in about four days. i have to say, when i was last in lithuania after the wall fell, they remember, so these

convoys, they come with a lot of love. lithuanians remember when the world did the same for them. here's the website where the ngo is taking donations. blue-yellow.lt. >> really good stuff, richard lui. thank you so much for taking us through that. we appreciate it, my friend. >> want to talk more kind of about the danger of these missions and how to keep them safe and secure. want to bring in former cia officer tracy walder. thanks for joining us on this. richard is kind of walking us through some of the tactics that are taken, some of the moves made in order to get supplies to the places they need inside ukraine. we know about 20 miles from the polish border, there was a post hit by the russians a week or so ago. the russians claiming they actually took out military aid. that in fact did not happen, according to u.s. sources. that being said, there is still very much a fear they are targeting, and we know they are targeting this military aid, whether it be official aid or

unofficial. so what are the tactics in keeping this safe? >> well, i think this goes back to sort of russia's idea of this scorched-earth policy. i mean, we saw this in world war i, we saw it in world war ii. this is something they do, and this is a tactic really that they utilize. they sort of wait out, i guess, their enemy, if you will. i would like to say i'm surprised they're doing this, but i'm not. i think to them, if they can't from a tactical standpoint take these cities as quickly as they thought they could, they're going to really dig in and wait them out. if that means starving them out, if that means sort of destroying all of their critical infrastructure, so be it. i think that this is unfortunately going to continue and really what the lithuanians are doing is extremely risky, but incredibly needed. >> so everybody taking this with a grain of salt, but i want to get your analysis on this, hearing from alexander

lukashenko giving the interview with tbs, the president of belarus, in case people don't know that, saying vladimir putin is in better shape than ever. we know the friendship that lukashenko has with putin. we know there are possibilities belarus may very well get involved with the invasion into ukraine, with the war in ukraine. what do you make of this? >> i mean, to put it bluntly, i'm really not at all surprised. this is how i would expect lukashenko to respond. i think if he responded differently, quite frankly, that would be a bigger deal. >> his head would be on a stick if he responded differently. >> absolutely. >> to put it frankly. >> he's a puppet of putin, right? that's really what he is. and right now, i believe he's sort of this kind of mouthpiece, if you will. we saw putin kind of later middle of last week coming out, you know, this huge almost pep

rally he with with a huge audience, and then we have lukashenko coming out talking about his physique and how healthy he is. and we have known this, we have seen him topless on a horse before. this isn't surprising. so sorry to be so blunt, but i would be surprised if he said something different. >> i think i was blunt along with you. so we appreciate the bluntness here. thanks for joining us. >> all right, the president is off to europe this week, forge emergency summit with allies over the russian invasion. up next, a member of the congressional ukrainian caucus with what she hopes to see from the president and nato leaders. that's coming up.

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we can all do our part to keep plastic out of the ocean. president biden is set to attend this week's nato and eu summits overseas which will focus on deterring and responding to russia's worsening aggression inside ukraine. while congressional lawmakers weigh what to do next as calls for more ukrainian aid grow louder and more desperate.

joining me to talk about potential next steps is democratic congressman and chief deputy whip schakowsky. thank you for joining us on this sunday afternoon and taking the time. we appreciate it. i want to put up a list of the asks from the ukrainian president. when it comes to more aid for ukraine. no-fly zone, which we will known. surface to air missile systems. more severe sanctions, closing u.s. ports to russia and also military aircrafts. what is feasible here in this list? >> so i'm going to answer your question, but i want to say thank you first for the journalists that are on the ground in ukraine and in the surrounding countries. you know, i know they are sacrificing, potentially sacrificing their lives or at least risking their lives. they must be exhausted, and the coverage is just so personal

when they interview individuals. so i just want to tell you i think i speak for really probably millions of people who really appreciate the risks that are being taken and the coverage that you're giving. so we met, the members of congress met with the president of the united states. and he was very explicit about -- and we heard from zelenskyy that he wants us to clear the skies. the president leaned forward, he was in front of us personally, and he said, if you're talking about a no-fly zone, because remember, that's shooting down russian planes. that is called world war iii. so that is off the table. and that was made clear to zelenskyy. but in the meantime, stingers and javelins and radar equipment and this trip that is being made

to our allies. and let's remember, the president really has joined the whole world in favor of ukraine and against putin. but you know, we absolutely are going to do more and more severe sanctions. and the sanctions are certainly, i think, having their effect, but we can do more. zelenskyy asked the members of congress, he said we should go further and go after russian, other russian politicians and members of the duma. and so we are continuing. we did another $13.6 billion in humanitarian aid. we continue, as i said, to talk to our allies. that's what this trip is about. to talk about the ways we can help them help ukraine. diplomacy can't be off the table, even zelenskyy is beginning to talk about things that he could propose to the

russians. but the absolute devastation, the killing of babies, of children, of women is so astonishing, really. and so we're going to continue fighting. >> okay, a few things i want it tick through that you mentioned. first and foremost, you talked about increasing spangzs. i know you spoke about this earlier on wgn radio in chicago, talking about expanding sanctions to include more of the other politicians in russia, as you just said again on our air. what do you think that would do? i know zelenskyy asked for, but it doesn't seem like it's affecting putin. in fact, as we saw earlier in this speech, it seemed he was welcoming them. russians leaving moscow, kind of taunting many people leaving amidst all of these sanctions. do you expect these sanctions to actually squeeze, to motivate vladimir putin to stop this invasion, to stop this war? >> you know, more and more,

though, ordinary americans, let's say we talk about politicians and the wealthiest people there, but when they can't get their mcdonald's when they can't get the normal thing that they want in life that make their lifestyle matter, you're seeing more and more opposition among ordinary citizens of russia who are really mad. when you saw the astronauts landing, they said the colors they were wearling, but it was pretty clear that there is a lot of antagonism and fury at putin. this is not going to end well for vladimir putin. and let's hope that we can work with our allies to figure out an off ramp. that's what we have to look for. what is the way that there can be some sort of a negotiation, not giving in and not giving land, but some kind of a

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hi, everybody. i'm yasmin vossoughian. if you're just joining us, welcome. if you're still with us, thank you for sticking around. it's 4 clook p.m. in the east, devastation in the city of mariupol where ukrainian authorities say russian forces have bombed an art school that was sheltering hundreds of people, including women and children. the video shows the destruction of another school, officials say was targeted earlier on this week. this latest building in the east of the city was destroyed just hours after russian forces besieged the crucial port city, officials saying, quote, peaceful civilians are still under the rubble. and as those bombings continue across the nation, i want