he also used a bit of his time to make his opening remarks to air his disappointment that a judge from his state, judge michelle childs was not ultimately president biden's pick. senator graham said had she been the pick, she would have gotten at least 60 votes, but we'll bring you more throughout the day. andrea mitchell picking up our coverage live from brussels, ahead of president biden's pick . good day, this is a special edition of "andrea mitchell reports" live in brussels as president biden and other nato leaders prepare for an emergency summit this week on how to end the devastating russian assault against ukraine. the president has been preparing for these meetings on a secure call with the leaders of the other top nato powers on how to bolster ukraine's defenses against the russian attacks.

after that summit on thursday, mr. biden will be travel to go poland to meet with that country's president. as nato states bordering ukraine accept millions of refugees and worry they could be next in vladimir putin conquers ukraine. the deadly bombardment of mariupol continues. the danger for civilians in the city is growing by the day as supplies run thin, and the strikes escalate. in kyiv, at least eight people were killed when a missile struck the center of the city. leading kyiv's mayor it implement another curfew this evening. richard, tell us about what you're seeing in the capital. this is escalating, as well as the other hot zones around ukraine. >> so the mayor here is obviously very concerned. he's ordered for the third time a blanket lock down.

it's going to start in a few hours from now. it's going to extend for the next 35 hours. each time they have done that, it's because they have had some specific intelligence that there was either going to be more air strikes or it clears off the streets so they can go for -- they can go after what they call saboteurs and you hear more and more talk about this when you speak to ukrainian officials. they believe that russia has infiltrated operatives here into the city who are in hiding and we've heard this not just from officials, we have heard this from witnesses as well who have suddenly seen or heard unexpected gunfire when they shouldn't have expected it or gunfire in the direction of check points or military locations. by clearing off the streets, it allows the security services to effectively sweep the city for suspected saboteurs so that's been happening here or about to

happen here. i wont say that we're seeing a real escalation in the center of kyiv. this is the kind of attack that we saw today that has happened several times before where there is a strike, usually a oneoff or two strikes in the city center attacking a civilian target, which may or may not have military interests around it. but it is not a constant bombardment. instead, we've just been seeing these sort of oneoff, two-off attacks. in the city of mariupol, obviously a very different situation, and we don't even know how many people have died in mariupol. and the estimates vary wildly from 3,000 people, according to some local officials to 30,000 people. so until we have more clarity of what is happening there, it's hard to even know the scale of the damage, but certainly

thousands of people have been killed, and it was just overnight that the russians said unless the ukrainians surrender, surrender by this morning, they will unleash much more damage on the city but the ukrainians rejected. they said they refused to surrender, and just now as we're speaking off in the distance, it sound like we are hearing the sounds of some far off explosions, so we will see what these next several hours and days bring. >> richard, be careful. the pentagon senior defense officials just revealed that so far russia has fired more than 1,100 missiles. so escalating but neither side backing down. that's for sure. thank you. and just in the last hour, i spoke with deputy secretary of state wendy sherman about ukraine and the escalating diplomatic clash now with russia over war crimes.

madame secretary, thank you so much for being with us. very difficult times right now between the u.s. and russia over ukraine. now, russia says that they summoned our ambassador in moscow, and basically threatened him with breaking relations because the president called vladimir putin a war criminal. what's our response? >> well, our response is that vladimir putin has been doing horrible things to the people of ukraine. there's no one who watches your program or anything else that's on television that doesn't see one horrific incident after another. we've all watched the siege of mariupol. we've all watched the bravery of the ukrainian people. i heard a story today, andrea, of a 96-year-old man who survived the holocaust, and was killed by vladimir putin's war of choice and war of carnage. i think that we all have seen what we have seen. we know what's happening and

vladimir putin is responsible. >> if russia were to break relations with the u.s., wouldn't that mean closing our embassy? >> it may indeed mean closing our embassy. i don't want to get ahead of threats or hypotheticals here. we think it's important always to maintain diplomatic relationships because that's a method of communications and that's particularly critical in this circumstance, but that said, i think that what we're seeing by that message, if that is indeed what's been conveyed to ambassador sullivan this morning, you're ahead of me on that, it just shows how desperate president putin is becoming because his military has not operated in the way he'd hoped. he certainly was not received with open arms, which is what he told the russian people. president zelenskyy, the people of ukraine are just resilient,

extraordinary, and they're going to keep defending their sovereignty, territorial integrity, and their right to make their own choices about their future. we stand united with them and helping them in every way we can by providing military assistance, of course, through weapons, as have many many many other countries as well as humanitarian assistance, while at the same time imposing costs on vladimir putin so that he thinks and perhaps will change his calculus and deescalate and move for peace. >> i just for context here, i don't believe that anytime from the cold war from the human missile crisis through ronald reagan calling the former soviet union an evil empire, i don't think they ever threatened to break diplomatic relations or suggested this was the first step toward severing relations. >> they certainly didn't do that during the cold war as you correctly note. we've been having a very tough time in terms of our embassy staff and personnel for many

months, even before the invasion in ukraine where, in fact, we were no longer allowed to have locally employed staff. we had to get our own support staff. very very stressful relationship. i hope that president putin doesn't take this step. it would not be to his advantage, and it would not be his interest, but he keeps making decisions that are not in his interest. the ruble is almost worthless. the stock market has been closed for some time. the economy is hurting badly. people cannot get what they want in the stores, and the russian people should know the truth, that this was a choice by vladimir putin, ukraine was not threatening russia in any way whatsoever. this is not a war against the russian people. this is a war of choice that their president made on their behalf and to their disadvantage and to the horror of the entire world. >> what would the u.s. do if

russia were to use chemical weapons against the people of ukraine the way they have used chemical and biological weapons before, and supported assad and syria doing the same? >> well, this will certainly be on the agenda when the president travels to brussels later this week, and then on to poland. he will be meeting with nato allies, with the european council, and with the g7, and our concern about the use of chemical and biological weapons will certainly be on that agenda. we are very concerned that president putin may decided to this out of desperation. he certainly has used weapons in the past on individuals to attend assassinations by poisoning people in support of assad's brutality in syria. so we are quite concerned about this, and the president has said, secretary blinken has said, we have all said in our discussions with the media that

there will be severe costs to russia should they take such a horrible action. >> the nato leader, jens stoltenberg said yesterday on "meet the press" that as horrible as that would be, the real focus of nato has to be to prevent a wider war between nato and russia. but is the use of chemical weapons a red line for the united states? >> i think the use of chemical weapons is of great concern to the entire world. we have all said that the use of chemical and biological weapons is unacceptable in a modern age. unacceptable in history, of course, but certainly today. we have said that this is something that no country should do. what we have seen is vladimir putin put out a pretext saying that ukraine has such weapons, that the united states has such

weapons. this is completely inaccurate. we're trying to convey that to the russian people so they know the truth. the only country that possesses such weapons in this environment in which we're currently in is russia, and they should not, they must not use them, and there will be severe consequences should they do so. >> have you confirmed that the russians have taken people from mariupol including many children to russia? >> we have heard those reports, andrea. we have not yet been able to fully confirm them. but there is no question there is enormous concern and certainly a lot of an epidemic doe tat evidence that people have been quote unquote deported to russia. but look, there's no one who watches what's happening in mariupol, bombs every ten minutes is being reported in mariupol. we have seen the horrifying attack on a maternity hospital in mariupol where people have

died, women and their unborn children almost ready to give birth have died. we have seen terrible attacks in ukraine against an art school, against people in their own residences. the civilian attacks are why the president, the secretary of state, myself included have said as an individual, as a person, we believe these are war crimes. we are doing the legal analysis and working very quickly to ensure that we have the evidence that shows intentionality which would meet the legal threshold of a war crime. >> and finally, what message do you have for ukrainian americans who are desperate to reach loved ones, and potentially get them out of refugee camps, get them here, and get them into the united states, but can't get them in because of our restrictions on asylum, particularly restrictions during covid. >> look, all of us just feel

terrible watching over 3 million refugees leaving ukraine, many of them women and children, leaving behind their husbands, their fathers, their brothers, everyone leaving their community behind. many want to stay in europe because they want to return to ukraine. we are looking very quickly as fast as we can at what we can do to ensure family reunification. those cases where there are communities and americans here who want to bring their family members over. we hope to have some ways forward to help people out as soon as we possibly can. >> deputy secretary wendy sherman, thank you very much, we really appreciate your being with us today. >> thank you, andrea. >> connecticut democratic senator chris murphy serves on the foreign relations committee and joins me now, and has been a leading voice on ukraine

multiple trips there over these years. senator, thank you very much, i want to start with an update to what we were just discussing with deputy secretary sherman because when we interviewed her about a half hour ago, the moscow embassy had not tweeted that no acknowledgment that they were warned by the russians as the russian foreign ministry has said that this was the first step towards severing relations over the president called vladimir putin a war criminal, but the embassy tweeted that ambassador sullivan complained to the russians about the lack of consular access to detainees, especially those in detention, and that includes, clearly, brittney griner. that is the state of play on that. your reaction to the dispute over their angry response to the president calling vladimir putin a war criminal. >> well, vladimir putin is in a very dangerous corner right now. prior to this invasion many of

us worried that putin had been secluded in his billion dollar dacha in sochi, getting no advice or very bad advice, being told that he was going to be greeted as a liberator if he ran an army into ukraine and kyiv. i think he ultimately was, in fact, getting bad advice or no advice because everything has gone wrong since he commenced this invasion, and he is being left with very few good options at this point. so i worry he's not making sound decisions today, as he didn't make a sound decision when he decided to invade. it would not be a sound decision to break off diplomatic relations with the united states. whether we like it or not, we have to have the ability to communicate. our two nations remain the two most significant nuclear super powers, and we need to have a dialogue to make sure that this

conflict in ukraine doesn't escalate into a global nuclear standoff. let's see what happens over the course of the next few days. john sullivan is a very capable diplomat, and will hope that ultimately cooler heads prevail, and we can keep our embassies open so that we can at least have a modicum of deconfliction dialogue to make sure things don't get even worse than they already are in ukraine. >> and focusing on the whole issue of the atrocities, the obvious war crimes that we're seeing every day, here's secretary of state earlier this morning at the holocaust museum where he was declaring that the action by the junta in burma or myanmar against the muslim rohingya, it took five years to reach that determination. this is what he had to say about ukraine. >> as we meet the russian

government continues to wage its unprovoked brutal war on ukraine. each day brings more harrowing attacks, more innocent men, women and children killed. the kremlin has tried to justify this war by falsely claiming it's intervening to stop genocide, abusing the term that we reserve for the greatest atrocities, disrespecting every victim of this heinous crime. >> the administration has been slow, say critics to declare that putin is a war criminal. 39 other states, other nations, already made that determination. not a legal determination but said it very clearly. why does it take the united states so long to go through this process, especially now with all the realtime visual evidence? >> well, president biden and secretary blinken have been, you know, very clear about their belief that vladimir putin has committed war crimes. i understand that this is ultimately a legal standard --

>> just in the last few days, with all due respect, senator, just since thursday and friday there were a lot of very careful statements, legalistic statements up until then. >> it is a legal standard, ultimately. i mean, to convict an individual of war crimes you need a body of evidence, and what i heard the administration saying prior to late last week is that they were putting together that body of evidence so that they could make a case that war crimes have been committed. i mean, this is an open and shut case at this point. i mean, putin has changed strategies. he no longer believes that he can take kyiv through a convention that will military invasion, and so now he has decided to pursue a different path. he's going to move towards a genocide strategy in which he attacks and kills as many ukrainian civilians as possible so as to bring zelenskyy to the negotiating table simply to stop

that slaughter of innocents. that is unconscionable. it will ultimately cause the united states to get more deeply involved in this war, to stop that brutality, and in my mind, and now i believe in the president's mind, there's no question that this constitutes war crimes. >> what should the u.s. do if putin were to use chemical weapons against the people of ukraine? i think we need to make it clear to putin that as his targeting of civilians increases so will our commitment to ukraine's defense. i don't know that it makes sense right now to telegraph to putin exactly what those steps will be, but we want to make sure that our involvement in the war is proportional to putin's tactics, and if he starts using chemical weapons, then we are going to have to consider a range of options at our disposal. that ultimately is president

biden's decision, but i think you will have a willing congress if chemical weapons are used and he requests from congress authority to get more deeply involved in this conflict to save lives. >> and the administration is saying that they have no confirmation or denial about the use of a hyper sonic weapon. what could possibly be the reason for using a hyper sonic weapon in relatively short range against a building. >> yeah, there's absolutely no justification for it, and i do think people, you know, have to do a little bit more study of what technically qualifies as hyper sonic. these are likely existing missiles that are just being dropped from a plane rather than fired from the ground. that's an innovation, but frankly not a game changing innovation. i think russia is going to try to use all sorts of new means and mechanisms over the next few weeks to try to scare the

ukrainians to the negotiating table because they no longer have a clear path to take major cities like kharkiv and kyiv. what you are seeing is a rapid realtime reorientation of russian strategy because the strategy they have been building for months prior to the invasion failed. it failed. and so an incredibly weak russia is trying to recalibrate in these sort of show off moves like firing missiles from planes, rather than from the ground is designed to try to change minds in kyiv, to try to scare the zelenskyy government. it doesn't seem to be having that effect at all. >> sam murphy, thank you very much, senator. >> thank you. >> thank you for coming on. and a russian court today banning instagram and facebook for quote extremist activities. part of the kremlin's push to crush any opposition to war in ukraine. vladimir putin now calling critics scum and traitors, and attacking the many russians

fleeing the country, accusing them of wanting to keep eating european oysters and foie gras. over the weekend, nbc's keir simmons asked russians what they thought about their leader, and spoke to a turkish official about putin's state of mind. >> describe president putin. >> it's very good. >> very good. >> good. >> good. >> you think he's good, you think he's excellent? >> yes. >> i fully agree with putin. any decision. >> for others, simply answering is too difficult, perhaps even dangerous. >> what do you think of president putin? >> no, no. >> what do you think of president putin? >> oh, no comments. >> no comments. >> questions over president putin's state of mind are not helpful, according to a senior adviser who was on a call between turkey's president erdogan and the russian leader just last week. >> president putin was as usual

on the call calm and making his case, and explaining his position. >> reporter: he says a meeting between president putin and president zelenskyy will happen but not yet. >> mr. zelenskyy says he is ready, but mr. putin thinks that positions are not close enough yet. >> reporter: the u.s. says any peace deal must be permanent and irreversible for crippling sanctions on russia to be lifted while president putin calls those sanctions an economic blitzkrieg, vowing they will fail. >> reporter: nbc's keir simmons, who was in moscow for a month, and is now back in london. joining us now, former press secretary to president zelenskyy, yulia mendel, what is it like to be inside ukraine right now? i know there's a curfew tonight. there have been attacks, the shopping center attack right in the center of kyiv. tell me what is going on?

>> andrea, thank you for having me. actually i arrived to kyiv last night, and i'm expecting to join this curfew, which will last for like 36 hours, i guess. it's tonight, and i'm now in the region, i came here to help some relatives to bring some medicine because there is a shortage of medicine and some products. and the district, while we hear the explosions here all the time, to be frank, every day, as is happening, and i'm sorry to have this comparison, but this is exactly how it felt. anyway, yeah, we are able to travel, not alone of course. there are a lot of check points, people with guns. i know that ukrainians are going to defend to the very end because this is our value and this is our home.

this is the place where we want to live. i don't know what to expect further, and this is like we're hearing explosions, then a lot of air alerts and, then in an hour or two, we start counting wounded or casualties here. this is the feeling that i have while living here and traveling around the country. >> your perspective is so valuable. president zelenskyy yesterday spoke to the israeli lawmakers in a series of parliaments in different countries that he has been addressing, of course, and really put israel on the spot. israel has not shared their defenses, their iron dome missile defense that the u.s. provided to them, for example. is there any indication that israel is going to do more for ukraine? they have relations with both ukraine and russia they have been trying to actually mediate to no avail. >> so we have a lot of countries that kindly suggests the platforms to negotiate as well

as a lot of western leaders actually try to help to put in touch vladimir putin and volodymyr zelenskyy to find some solution. if you ask me about israeli, president volodymyr zelenskyy's speech was quite tough, and told them to make their decision, sometimes 80 years ago, they said never again, now we see that the actions that are happening, they actually are very close to what was going on and he says that we need to remember that just not words, and israeli people need to make it clear what is the choice here, and of course he was probably trying to get the defense systems that are the best, actually, in their world. israeli knows exactly how it is to be shelled from the sky all the time. i hope that the diplomacy that

is hidden behind public statements will have more results, actually, but we are really grateful for all the support of the civilized world. just need to understand, we really are in big need, our armies in big need of more missiles and defensive systems and we understand this support around 1 billion support that was provided and announced by president biden recently is very much needed. we saw that it is going to be spent for javelin stingers and any other support and this is very much a need for ukrainian army these days. >> and richard haas, you know these appeals for weapons, you yourself said on msnbc earlier, the nato alliance should be providing more weapons to ukraine. what specifically? >> they're providing a lot. you can only provide weapons that people have had training for. you know, the question still of

the soviet or russian oriented aircraft. there's questions of drones, that's one of the issues that came up with israel, but at the moment, i think the alliance, the western countries are providing quite a lot. i think for israel quite honestly what ukraine needs is not israeli mediation, it needs israeli help, and hopefully that will be forthcoming. >> how should the nato summit leaders address this? what more do you think that they can do, especially these threats of chemical or biological weapons, and trying to deter that horror from taking place? >> the answer is not a whole lot in terms of providing ukraine with arms. they're doing exactly what they should be doing. nato has to protect itself and be prepared for any war widening from the russians. got to deal obviously with the influx of our refugees, but we do need a common strategy on how

to deter, and if need be, respond to everything from chemical use to nuclear use, to continued shelling of civilian areas to cyber use, and it's one of the reasons, by the way, i think it's unwise for people in the administration or beyond to be talking about war criminality now. my own recommendation would be to keep it somewhat in reserve. don't get me wrong, it's not that what's going on is not criminal. of course it is, but i think at the moment, the threshold ought to be to try to persuade mr. putin not to use weapons of mass destruction. and i would associate going after him as a war criminal at this point specifically to try to deter him taking such a step. >> so do you think it was a mistake to even use that phrase regarding putin? >> i do at the moment. my approach to mr. putin ought to be to deter even worse things. also, i want this war to stop, and it's time to pursue war

crimes later. at the moment, though, we want this war to stop. we want ideally the diplomacy to succeed. you've got to be disciplined. it's not enough to be muscular, you've got to be disciplined here, and you've got to think about your priorities and the sequencing, and i would say there will be plenty of time to look at war crimes down the road, essentially we want to stop those war crimes, declaring it takes away any deterrent value it might have. >> richard haass and julia mendel, thank you both so much. and her moment, judge ketanji brown jackson making history today as her confirmation hearing begins. plus a boeing 737 crashing in southern china with more than 130 people on board. we'll get the very latest from beijing. and more from brussels ahead of a critical nato meeting on the war in ukraine. this is a special edition of "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. a mitchell reports" on msnbc.

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>> i understand the importance of zealous advocacy, but it appears that sometimes this zealous advocacy has gone beyond the pail, and in some instances, bled over into your decision making process as a judge. >> chairman dick durbin along with other democrats have defended judge jackson as incredibly well qualified and a known quantity pointing out she's been through the senate confirmation process successfully three times before. >> now we're facing a choice sponsored by the most radical elements of the democratic party when it comes to how to be a judge. they have the most radical view of what a judge should do. and you were their choice. >> obviously that's another line of attack that we're hearing from lindsey graham. lindsey graham was name checked this morning on "morning joe" by

the chairman of the committee, dick durbin who said he's leaving open the possibility that republicans might still vote for her. he, again, mentioned lindsey graham specifically, but here's what durbin said during these opening statements. >> there may be some who claim without a shred of evidence that she'll be a rubber stamp for this president, for these would be critics, i have four words, look at the record. your complete record has been scoured by this committee on four different occasions. opening statements from all 22 members of the senate judiciary committee will last throughout most of today, and then beyond this confirmation process, of course, there are implications for themes we're going to see then on the campaign trail for the midterms this year. also, there are 2024 implications because three republicans on this committee are potential presidential candidates who may be looking for a viral moment. we will hear from judge ketanji

brown jackson here's but not for a while, her opening statement expected sometime after 3:00. andrea? >> and we'll all be looking forward to that. chris jansing, thank you so much, and as the historic supreme court confirmation hearing is underway. current justice clarence thomas, the longest serving member of the high court was hospitalized over the weekend with flu like symptoms, according to a statement. according to that statement from the court, thomas, 73 years old, has an infection and is being treated with intravenous antibiotics, but is expected to be released in the next few days. and turning now to a catastrophic plane crash in china where emergency crews are searching to find survivors. the boeing 737 plane was carrying 123 passengers as well as nine crew members when the plane abruptly lost speed and altitude, crashing into the mountains of southern china early this morning. joining us now is nbc's janis mackey frayer in beijing, the worst airline disaster in more than a decade. what more do they know?

>> reporter: well, the rescue crews are at the scene tonight. they're combing the area for clues. they're finding fragments and they're finding debris, but they're not finding any signs of life. 123 passengers on board along with nine crew. what we know at this point is that flight 5735 took off from kunming airport just after 1:00 local time today, heading over the mountains to guangzhou, about an hour into it, 130 miles out of guangzhou, the plane abruptly lost speed and altitude, according to the flight tracking platform, the plane was at 29,100 feet, and then plunged 21,000 feet in just over a minute. and then it appeared to regain altitude, but then continued to plunge. the civil aviation authority here said that radar contact was lost. now, weather doesn't seem to be

a factor in the area. china does have a decent aviation safety record, something that officials here credit to the newer fleets of planes as well as very strict flying rules. the plane was a boeing 737 89 p. it was not a boeing 737 max. those are still grounded in china. the faa and the ntsb both say that they're aware of the investigation and they're monitoring, andrea, but tonight there are simply no answers. while there isn't yet confirmation of the fate of those on board, the airline has publicly offered condolences to families so it's a matter of time before that sad confirmation comes. andrea. >> it's just awful. thank you so much, janice. and a new normal, the latest u.s. military assessment on just how long this war in ukraine could last. you're watching a special

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wins or the other country admits they have lost, and despite the fact that president putin has seen very few if any significant military gains in the last week and a half to two weeks, putin is showing no signs that he is willing to admit any kind of defeat, and the ukrainians like wise making clear they intend to keep fighting. in fact, this official said that the ukrainians are likely to put up a significant and persistent insurgency to fight against russian control of the areas that they have seized and so where does that leave us. it might sound like a salemate is better than the status quo. when you have this intense fighting, you're going to continue to see the two militaries grinding on against each other with disastrous effects of the civilian population. one other alarming situation that they are watching closely at nato is the possibility that the belarusians who have so far allowed their territory to be used by the russians but have not directly engaged in combat may soon launch their own

offensive in ukraine, and may allow the russians to position nuclear weapons in the territory of belarus. they say that recent political moves, including that referendum they held in belarus to revoke their nonnuclear status makes it clear that they are considering allowing putin to put nuclear weapons on their soil which would be a significant escalation. >> significant and alarming. helene cooper, what are you hearing at the pentagon, i saw a senior report by an official that 1,100 missiles have been fired by russia so far. >> hi andrea, thanks for having me. the pentagon, it's interesting because every single day we get these defense department assessments, and every single day for the past few weeks it's been that the russian military on the ground continues not to make any momentum. they continue not to make any progress. today what we learned from the pentagon is that the military, the russian military is still looking for a chance to gain

momentum. not even regain, but to gain momentum. when you look at a map, a senior defense official said this morning you can count with one hand the number of population centers that russia has managed to control and that includes two of them in donetsk, and that they have a foothold in. they haven't achieved anything of what the american military assesses to be their objectives, rather than demoralizing the military, what they have done is motivate them, and at this point we're at day 26. and they're still, just as they were last week, 15 kilometers north of kyiv, which is exactly where they were last week, so there was a lot of -- there was a suggestion that this was becoming a war of attrition, but the pentagon is pushing hard against this because they see the ukrainian military as really

having managed to stiffly resist -- to resist russia. but i would add, the more they resist, the more you see a case of two wars, there is the war on the ground which is, as josh mentioned, being fought to a standstill almost with the russian military not gaining momentum. but the war in the sky is a different story, although the pentagon also assessed that there was a lot of the ukrainian air defenses are still up and running, and they're still managing to take russian -- make strikes on russian planes. >> but david rhode, what we're seeing is what one senior official called battlefield blus

-- bluster, which doesn't have any utility but is a show of force. >> it is, if you look at past conflicts, the very difficult challenge for russia is if you have a motivated population that has a, you know, territory terr they can spend time on and shelter in, they will continue fighting. frankly, the u.s. saw this in afghanistan. we had overwhelming dominance in the sky but if you have a determined enemy with a safe haven it's difficult to conclude. >> thanks to all three of you. and a mountain refuge, thousands of ukrainians seeking shelter in a remote region where for centuries many have fled during troubled time. we are live in brussels on msnbc.

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neighboring europe and countries or other parts of ukraine, including the remote mountains where molly hunter joins us now. molly, tell us about this region and where the ukrainians are fleeing. >> that's right. we are in the southwest of the country. these are the carpathian mountains. they have been a refuge from where world war i and world war ii fled. these are descendants from previous waves of refugees. it's happening again and people are opening their doors to the newest arrivals. this town, this village has 7,000 people. it's called volovets. they can't tell us how many new people have arrived. they put the number at a couple thousands. this woman, oksana, anticipates

another 12,000 people will arrive. >> reporter: how are the girls doing? >> they're fine. they started to sleep on third day. we are russian-speaking family. we read russian books along with ukrainian of course. it was one of the most traumatic questions is why do russians want to kill us? i don't really understand why they want to kills. >> reporter: you don't have an answer. >> i don't have an answer. >> reporter: she is 38 years old. she and her husband, eugene, have a 3-year-old and a 5-year-old. they came here because they're planning to stay. lviv people are moving in and out. it's a gateway. people here want to stay.

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