to key allies about the war days before he attends a summit in brussels. i'll speak with a senator who just returned from meetings in europe with military leader and ukrainian refugees. and later, an historic week in washington as the confirmation hearing for judge ketanji brown jackson, the first black female supreme court pick is officially begun. how far are republicans willing

to get in an attempt to disrupt her nomination? we're about to find out. welcome to "meet the press daily." i'm garrett haake in for chuck todd. at the start of a consequential week for nato and the biden presidency. at any moment we expect the white house to give us more details about president biden's conversation this morning with fellow nato leaders from france, germany and the united kingdom. it comes as president biden head to poland, whose country sits at the center of a massive refugee crisis. russia has intensified its assault on cities all across ukraine, including in the west near the polish border, with many of those attacks targeting civilians. there's a shopping center in

kyiv, a mental health center in mykolaiv and several homes in odesa. a senior correspondent said russia's military advance has not made significant advances over the past 24 hours. the pentagon's current assessment is russia hasn't achieved any of its military objectives so far. ukraine has rejected russian demands to surrender the southern city of mariupol. officials believe as many as 300,000 people remain trapped there with 90% of the city destroyed. meanwhile this morning at the united states holocaust museum, secretary of state tony blinken called out russia for its completely false claim what the war is about ending genocide by the ukrainian government. >> i can recall few times when that history felt so urgent or the responsibility it imparts on all of us so pressing.

as we meet, the russian government continues to wage its unprovoked, brutal war on ukraine. they falsely claim it's intervening to stop genocide, abusing the term we reserve for the greatest atrocities, disrespecting every victim of this heinous crime. >> and now despite president zelenskyy's openness, a kremlin spokesman says they have a long way to go and peace talks have yielded no significant progress. richard, ukraine rejected this russian offer to surrender mariupol. to ukrainians have confidence they can keep mariupol under western control or is this about fighting every inch of their country? >> reporter: it's about fighting for every inch of their country.

mariupol had 400,000 people in it. it is one of vladimir putin's main objectives because it lies right in between russian territory and crimea. if russia can take mariupol, then it could effectively establish a land bridge between the russian border and crimea, which is annexed. but taking areas and russia has been able to take very, very few areas and holding them are completely different. so even if russia were able to take mariupol, and it has made the city unlivable, it is unlikely that it would be able to hold it or fully pacify the population, at least based on what we're seeing in other places. kherson, which is a smaller city not very far from mariupol, was captured by russian forces but almost every day the people have been coming out on to the streets, protesting against

russian troops and it is not just in kherson. there was an extraordinary scene today where hundreds of people came out to protest. they were walking up against -- walking up to russian troops and the russian troops started firing wildly into the air, throwing what looked like stun grenades and smoke bombs into the crowds. at least one person was injured, shot in the leg. the russians at least in this case didn't level their guns and fire directly into the crowds, but it shows that they're having serious population controls in the small and few places that they are controlling. so we are now over three weeks into this offensive and russia's achieved very few of its military gains. and it is continuing now instead to pound population centers, to hit the center of kyiv driving this city once again into a curfew, which is going to start very soon and also a for the next 35 hours or so, but they

have not managed to break this country. they haven't managed to take key population centers like kyiv and the places that they have taken they don't control. >> richard, can you expand on how you're seeing the tactics change with more and more of the civilian areas like where you are being targeted? >> reporter: so the russian military strategy, which has been complicated, confusing, disorganized, not just according to ukrainian and american officials, it has been quite clear that it has been disorganized here from the beginning, has changed repeatedly. in the opening days of the operation, when everyone thought that it was going to be quick, that the russian army numerically so superior to the ukrainian army would quickly roll over this country, quickly capture kyiv, coming down from belarus, not only did that not happen, the russian advance

quickly stalled so they changed tactics. they went after cities with large numbers of troops attacking kharkiv, attacking mariupol. that hasn't been successful. so now the russians are more or less stalled. they're dug in and they are just lobbing weapons into cities, kyiv included, with the hope, it seems, that they can punish the government, inflict enough pain that they can extract higher prices at peace negotiations. no indications at this stage that either side is very close to peace negotiations, but the russians are trying to at least use some of their muscle to improve their hand. and it would be a very significant move for them if they could take and keep mariupol, but just today as we started out, the ukrainian government rejected that out of hand. >> and shannon pettypiece, it seems like president biden has been in constant contact with

his european contacts over the past couple of weeks. he had another call this morning. do we know what came out of that? >> reporter: we haven't gotten a readout. i expect that to come out in the press briefing in about an hour from now. the g-7 is a very significant group for the president to be talking to again. a few years ago during the trump administration, then president trump was talking about having putin join the g-7, to join this group of leaders that is now talking about how they can economically from a humanitarian standpoint, militarily come together and support ukraine and fend off this russian invasion. of course the president is going to be, as you noted, in europe next week. he will not only meet with th g7 leaders but european leaders and nato allies. the white house has signalled those meetings are going to be

about this coordinated response and what more these world leaders can do as we approach one month of this conflict. but it is also very much, they say, about showing a united front, about reassuring the nato allies that the u.s. will indeed come to defend any nato country in russia and putin are to expand this invasion beyond ukraine into nato territory and there's definitely an indication they hope that could be a deterrence to russia and putin from expanding this any further. of course they are focused on trying to resolve this conflict, trying to assist ukraine with the current conflict but there is also a big element about trying to deter any future aggressions. >> thank you both. i'm joined by shelly moore, who traveled to germany and to poland over this past weekend.

senator capito, now that you're back, i'm curious what struck you most about what you saw and what you heard while you were in the region. >> well, a couple of things, garrett. thanks for having me on. first of all, this is an unjust war where putin is killing and bombing innocent people and children. third and not necessarily in this order but nato is strong and nato is together and probably in a much more powerful position to have a united position than probably since world war ii. and also that the united states is doing so much but poland is incredible, as a partner, as a military and as a humanitarian partner. we went to refugee centers, saw those families, it's heart breaking. >> talk to me more about the refugee crisis. the reporting has been so excellent but i feel like we're only seeing the tip of the iceberg about how bad the

situation might get there. what did you see at these refugee centers? are we in the west and u.s. prepared for what might be a very long-term effort to support these people? >> what we're seeing is on the polish border at this refugee center, we saw probably 1,500 families, mostly women and children, elderly as well. we saw ngos and others feeding as much as 6,000 meals per day. and then they are sort of processing into this and then moving into either poland, germany or the woman that i spoke with was going to the u.k. with her 6 and 8-year-old. she left her husband, her home, her parents behind two miles away from the russian border. it so compelling. she kept saying "please help us, please do more." >> do you think there will be more for the u.s. senate to do, for the administration to do?

you guys passed $14 billion nearly in aid a week a two ago now. the president started to spend some of that money, $800 million more ukraine as military. how much more should congress and the administration do to help on both those front, the humanitarian and military front? >> i think there's no question we can and will do more. they gave us a list of more javelin stringers, anti-air democrat. these are the things the 14 billion will go for on the lethal side but we need to keep doing this. we don't want to give them just enough to stay in the fight. we have to win this. they have to win this. and they're going to fight to the end. and so i think that on the humanitarian side, our ngos are moving fast. you know, time is another issue. when we think of, oh, in two weeks we're going to do this, well, we're 23 into this so every day is crucial. >> can enough be done for

ukraine to win this only with the u.s. sending money and material? the discussion about a no-fly zone continues to come up and continues to be knocked down. do you think we might ultimately be headed in what direction and would you support such a things a red line for some future act in that country in. >> at this point it's not just the united states. these are the nato nations. this is not their back yard, their front yard. they know if putin is successful, who's next? is it the baltic states? is it moldova. and then would he use nuclear weapons, which is a critical question here. i don't see us going to a no-fly zone. i think if we quip the ukrainians with what they need as nato and a coalition, ramp up more sanctions on the oligarchs, we can put more pressure on putin. >> what was your conversation like in poland and germany about

the possibility this might spill over and become a nato-involved conflict by intentional russian aggression or miscalculation down the line? >> i would say everybody is on heightened alert about that. this is their front yard. poland can be considered at the front of the spear with moving people in and out and humanitarian work and staging nato troops that include american troops in and around. we've always had a training presence there and we maintain that. so i think it's more of a readiness question, quite frankly. we've got to be ready. hopefully we won't have to use that as a readiness measure, that we were prepared but not have to move in that direction. i don't think we can sit back at this point and think there's nothing he won't do. oh, he won't come into nato. i think he's shown us if he can kill women and children and innocent in a country like ukraine, he'll do anything.

>> and, senator, i have to ask you about the other big thing going on on capitol hill today, the supreme court confirmation hearing for judge jackson. you're not on the judiciary committee, but you did meet with her last week. i'm curious if you consider her qualified for the high court and if you are still open to potentially supporting her after these hearings are done. >> i did have the pleasure of meeting her. she is qualified. she has a very distinguished not only academic record but also her judicial career has been filled with decisions. so it's not like we're going to have to guess what direction or what leanings she might have. i think what we'll see here is the judiciary committee asking questions. i'm going to ask what i'm going to do at the end after i hear that, but i do think judicial philosophy is a part of it. i'm remaining open minded. but she is a very impressive woman and i found her quite engaging. >> i have to ask you about one of your colleagues, who has been

very public with his criticisms of judge jackson. josh hawley has been out there talking about her record on sentencing sex offenders. her record is similar to what other federal judges have done. i wonder if you think it's an and you fair attack from senator hawley? >> i don't know the details of what senator hawley is basing his conjectures on quite honestly. i know that she told me more than a few times when i would bring questions about certain issues, she said, please, look at my record. i'd ask her about getting cases overturned and what does this mean and how to frame it. i think we got to stick to the facts here. i think the best thing we can do is treat her with the dignity she deserves. if we disagree with her and how she might serve as a supreme court justice, that's what we should be basing our decision on. >> senator capito, thank you for coming on. >> thanks, garrett. >> we'll have much more on the

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welcome back. president biden's upcoming trip to europe will be an important display of unity. it comes as some nato countries, particularly the baltics, push the west to do more in security assistance for ukraine and its neighbors. last week, all nato countries that were once under the thumb of soviet ruled passed resolutions urging the u.n. to

establish a no-fly zone over ukraine. the chair of the foreign affairs committee has been on the hill testifying about russian aggression and baltic security. i want to start on the issue of a no-fly zone. you have parliaments in all throw of those countries who come out in favor of it. what's the politics behind that and what's your belief in whether or not this should or could be put in place? >> first of all, we are parliamentary democracies. and this is actually a call from our people. not just politicians. so, therefore, of course we are delivering of what our society is demanding of politicians. i know the, you know, the rationale on a no-fly zone, russia having veto and et cetera. if baltic countries had the capability the rest of nato countries do have like, say, the

major players, we would not hesitate to provide the no-fly zones over the corridors for humanitarians and also when it comes to nuclear power plants. there are 15 of them in ukraine. if something happens with those, it's not just a disaster in ukraine, it will affect the rest of the world as well. >> aggressive is not the right word but i feel like the baltic countries have a much more robust posture toward putin. what do you know about aggression that the rest of the west is learning now? >> well, first thing is you cannot trust and you cannot even dive into those lies that are coming from russia. i mean, you have to be very clear on your defense posture and when it comes to, you know, right now discussions on what might be the next plans for putin, i think this is precisely what putin wants us to do, to be preoccupied of thinking what might be his next steps. i think what the west has to do right now is actually put on the

table all the worst scenarios and accordingly prepare, you know, preparation, et cetera. i think the worst thing right now that we have done so far, it's not the worst but it's not a good thing, is that we have said already what we're not going to do. and this is something for putin is always going after -- if you hesitate, he will strike. >> so you've been here meeting with lawmakers, talking about security needs. what does latvia, what do the baltics need from nato and from the united states? >> well, from the united states particularly, that is -- last we're we were three baltic chairs of the foreign affairs visited capital and the main message was that we need to have a more larger u.s. troops presence in the baltics. >> permanent troops presence? >> exactly, permanent. one thing that putin really fears is u.s. army. absolutely, no doubt about it. yes, we are very appreciative of

the commitments the u.s. government has made. we have u.s. troops on the ground, but, i mean, when it comes to the numbers, it's still not enough deterrent for russia and for the putin as well. another dimension is as we all observe what's happening in ukraine, how russia is conducting the war on ukraine, we look at its strengths and its weaknesses and we see the russia strength is the supremacy over the air. when it comes to baltic countries, i mean, we have the same weakness. that is the air defense systems. so this is what we are calling right now urgently to address that. because on top of all these things that we are doing, we are supporting militarily ukraine as well, sending javelins, sending the air defense, you know, manpower systems, which means our stocks are empty. >> that's a hard calculation. >> exactly. we have to understand we are

right now the frontier defending democracy, the west. so therefore right now either we stand or we fall. so, therefore, all we ask is really rational. it's not just, you know, making panic. this is really assessment of the security dimensions that we are seeing in our region. we can't forget that on top of russia's invasion in ukraine, belarus is playing a crucial part as well. in our view and assessment, belarus has become already 100% on russia, russian federation, i think it's de facto already russian federation. particularly when it comes to the military. i would call it the sixth district of the russian federation. >> president biden is traveling there next week. what do you want to hear from president biden when he's on the ground in eastern europe? >> this is what i stated on the helsinki commission. right now it's the latin phrase,

it's what is needed now, not the words, the deed. we need to go from words to deeds and how more we can assist ukraine and how more we can booster the defense capabilities of entire eastern flank. >> thank you for coming in. thank you for your work here and safe travels on your way back. >> thank you very much. >> up next, the highlights so far as confirmation hearings are officially under way for judge ketanji brown jackson. under wae ketanji brown jackson.

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regardless of race, regardless of party, regardless of views? that's what the focus of this hearing should be. >> well, democrats like senator chris coon pushing back on that potential line of questioning. >> in every case you methodically consider the party's arguments, the relevant facts and the law, including of course the foundation of the constitution. the text of applicable statutes and the precedence that apply. ultimately from what i've seen, you come to a decision based on that methodology, not on any particular policy preferences or activism. >> now, one line we've heard from both sides of the aisle is that this is not going to be a circus. take a listen. >> a lot of people are willing to take a sledge hammer to the structure if it offers them a quick political win. we have an opportunity today to do something different and we can demonstrate that the congress can carry out its

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welcome back. you just heard the highlights from opening statements so far in the historic confirmation hearings of judge ketanji brown jackson. let's dive a little deeper into what we can expect from the hearings this week and what judge jackson is facing as the first black woman to go for a seat on our highest court. i'm joined by melanie campbell

and by paul butler, a former federal prosecutor. melanie, i'll start with you. just given your reaction to watching the start of these hearings and how do you think we'll see that interplay between who judge jackson is being a woman and an african-american going through this and her lengthy legal resumé? >> well, first of all, i think the moment is finally here so many of us exhaled, to be honest and said, okay, this moment is really happening. that was my initial reaction. then i saw tuning in and listening to see the tone and tenor. i think first of all, judge jackson, ketanji brown jackson, i love to say that name because it means so much really showed very well a balance, even when things were being said that may not have been really pleasing to hear. she's just focused on the task at hand to get through this confirmation hearing and a lot of us are watching to encourage

republicans, democrats, everyone, to give her a fair hearing and not judge her on anything but her record. >> the senate itself is a good reminder of the moment we're in. judge jackson won't be questioned by any black women because there aren't any on the judiciary committee. and she won't be voted on by any black women because there aren't any in the entire united states senate. how does that play with what we're going to see over the next days and weeks? >> we're started with a rally and that really is what we're headed towards. it was so diverse. there was men there, women there, young, old, faith leaders, labor leaders, a very eclectic mix of what the melting pot is, very united states looking. we don't see that in the senate yet. women are moving. black women are moving.

she's going to break that glass ceiling. as a black woman myself, it's something our daughters and neighbors and if you want justice to be for everyone, you have to see that in the courtroom. and we need to see more of that in the senate, too. >> that's definitely true. paul, we have seen judge jackson go through the confirmation for other judicial positions before. obviously this is the nfl, a whole other level of scrutiny. republicans have started to ask her about cases she took on as a public defender, her role in reducing sentencing guidelines. as our legal expert here, how do you expect her resumé to hold up in this process? >> if this is the super bowl, then judge jackson is the most

valuable player. she's a seasoned pro at confirmation hearings. this is her fourth time at this rodeo and she's a master. so, yes, the republicans will try to come for her, they've pored through over 600 written opinions and 12,000 pages of hearings from the sentencing commission. they've looked at everything she's written or done or said in public and they got nothing, garrett. and so that's why they will tell you to change the subject to judge kavanaugh's sentencing hearings or confirmation hearings way back when or president biden's record on crime because when they look at judge johnson's record, it's unimpeachable. when you're the first, you have to be the best. president biden had an embarrassment of riches when selecting an african-american woman to be the first on the supreme court. so many qualified.

he found one of the absolute best. >> one of the things that is interesting in many ways unique about her resumé is her background as a federal public defender. paul, as a former prosecutor, what do you make as the claims as a public defender she was essentially working for the bad guys or potentially be soft on crime as a justice? >> what judge jackson did as a public defender and a lawyer and a judge is to stand up for the constitution, which guarantees every accused person effective assistance of counsel and the right to a fair trial. that was her work as a public defender. as a judge, judge jackson has ruled in favor of prosecutors many times. and she has three family members who are police officers. one was the chief of police in miami, and of course the fraternal order of police has endorsed her. so soft on crime, no way.

again, they're grasping at straws, the republicans are because this is a person who has an unimpeachable record. >> melanie, you get the last word. does jackson's nomination get downplayed because it won't change the balance of the court but it could change the way the country operates and looks at itself in some ways, no? >> well, it's a lifetime appointment. i've lived long enough to know the pendulum does swing. the fact that she also will be in there, whether she's a dissenting opinion, an affirming opinion, that lived experience she will bring is valuable beyond measure. people can get into, well, it won't change the bottom line. yes, it does. it really does. >> it's going to be a couple interesting days to watch. up next, sizing up the political fallout from these confirmation

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presidential contenders for 2024 on a mission to prove their gop street cred and build a fund-raising base. so the question isn't if we'll see some fireworks at this hearing but how many will we see. joining me is politico national correspondent bets see swann, rick tyler is with us and navine nyak as well. >> how do you see the several days in iowa affecting the process? >> way too early, though technically not. there's no question that these are the most high-profile moments these senators are going to have likely this entire year

in terms of the work that they're doing. it's already campaign and election season on capitol hill. there's very little getting done that doesn't involve ukraine. these confirmation hearings, this one is uniquely historic but confirmation hearings are always these pivotal moments bus it brings together all throw three branches of the government and it's a unique panel that has this chance to establish themselves. you've also got some republicans who have been a little more critical of trump, ben sass from nebraska, most notably known for being willing to go after the president. mike lee who might face political head winds because of criticism he made of former president trump. so ideologically, it's kind of a cross section of the republican party and that's going to make

the next few hearings really interesting. >> this 2016, having an open seat was critical to donald trump becoming president and how -- >> i think there's a sense about her nomination and the confirmation process actually showcasing a talented judge like this and the nomination process that i think is going to really highlight an accomplishment for biden. i think there's only really an up side to this for democrats and a real risk for republicans. most likely the scenario is this will be like some of the confirmations that got a lot less attention because her credentials are pretty unimpeachable and the people tuning in will be african-americans and people who have been watching change in the country.

ted cruz himself basically said there's nothing in her record that he can find to object to. i think the only real threats they're going to find fall into traps that do them more harm than good. >> josh hawley has found something he tried to attack and rick tyler got pushback. "there are strong philosophical arguments to opposing judge jackson's appointment to the supreme court. but the implication that she has a soft spot for sex offenders who prey on children because he argued against severe mandatory minimum prison sentence for the receipt of porn graphic images is a spear. did hawley go to far here? >> josh hawley, as you indicated in the opening is auditions to be president and is using these hearings to audition for president. he wants to oppose her on these grounds and oppose a nominee

against president biden. in '97, another member of the judiciary committee used the judiciary committee as chairman to launch a presidential campaign. that was judge bourque and that was president biden hochs who was chairman of the same time i read mccarthy's article, and i think he's right, i think hawley did try and prosecute and sentenced her in tweets because there's a lot of context missing, none of which we have time to explain why. you are going to smear somebody with the idea they are soft on child pornography, and you better be right but he was wrong. >> soft on crime probably in for republicans as a messaging issue in 2024. we heard mitch mcconnell kind of seize on that. how effective is that going to be as a message for them, do we think, looking ahead and how

much do you expect to see that issue get a test drive over the next few days? >> just go into the midterms, there's no question it's going to be a central focus for republicans and people at the rnc are very confident they can capitalize on that. and it's tough to say somebody works as a federal public defender, and that makes them soft on crime, and so you don't really get to go after somebody for just having worked in the criminal defense space. it's hard to see how that particular line of criticism could function in a meaningful way for republicans going into these confirmation hearings. that said we do know moderates like abigail spamburger from virginia have raised concerns in relation to the criminal justice

issue. it's something democrats will have to think clearly in terms of what do they think is the right message to take and the right policy positions to take on this issue as they know republicans are gearing up to make it a key focus on the midterms. >> for president biden, it seems like there has been a string of weeks where he had to do all the jobs of the president and if this is a win, they get credit for a win and it's not just, oh, sure, she was always going to get confirmed and it's a flat check the box. >> i think this is the kind of moment that the president has been waiting for to showcase his preparedness for an international challenge, and handling it incredibly well in terms of foresight, rallying the world with a strong response and still able to do multiple things at once in terms of advancing

the supreme court justice and tackling a lot of the challenges at home in terms of the economy, so that's an opportunity to displace his strength across the board, and then -- >> yeah, that's been the challenge for democrats to do the thing and then sell that you did the thing. >> yeah, i think we are learning this in arrears in the infrastructure bill, and the american people don't realize it, the fact that we still see data showing americans don't realize we created a record number of jobs ever in the president's first year, and it highlights we have not talked about some of the successes and this confirmation is part of that. >> i don't think biden created the 6 million jobs.

the infrastructure, people are not giving him a lot of credit and he does deserve because both the republicans and democrats have failed on infrastructure for decades and this is why the bridge collapsed in the city of pittsburgh. i think biden has been a good follower on ukraine, and he did not lead the charge but he in every case followed europe, and followed zelenskyy, and what is amazing about zelenskyy he changed the dynamics of the republican party, and putin apologists will not survive this round, and he changed the dynamics of european security. >> has he forced donald trump's hand to change his hand the way he talks about putin? >> trump will have it both ways, and he said if it happened on my watch, it wouldn't have happened, right? at the same time he said -- putin has gone from being popular to being as popular as hussein or osama bin laden.

and zelenskyy continues to be a huge force. look, i am looking forward to biden's message in europe. for instance, i can't explain why are we giving -- why aren't we doing more to close down the airspace, and they say it's because we don't want to be involved and we are giving javelins and we are already involved and what is the distinction between those two things. >> i hear you on that, and i am luckily to have betsy here, and i want to ask you about your other beat before we run out of time and i don't have time to play the clip, and liz cheney talked about a big presentation, and you have that story wired. what should we be looking for? >> it's a good question. one of the key things we have been asking about the january 6th probe is does the probe result in just a lot more color, detail fill-in-the blanks with regards to that attack or do we

learn new major facts that will be bullet points and in history text books about what happened and i don't think we have gotten into the new narrative factoring space, and even the color in the numbers category have been enormous and deeply consequential, and so cheney is setting the bar high for the investigation, and she has been an extremely hands on member, unlike some members in criminal investigations, and she's really teasing something big here, and we know democrats are putting in a ton of leg work to try and put together a report that breaks through. they are going to have a lot to try to break through, but she set the bar high. >> she has been the most aggressive member of that panel. guys, we did ten minutes of tv. it felt fast. thank you for coming on, and thank you all for being with us this hour. be sure and tune in to msnbc's special coverage of the historic supreme court hearing tomorrow beginning at 9:00 a.m., and in

the meantime msnbc coverage continues with katy tur right after this break. thought she ws actually gonna jump. just use this code and order on the subway app!

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