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heat or food, and ukraine rejected russia's demand that their soldiers lay down their weapons at dawn. ukrainians are digging in and protesters carrying ukrainian flags marched towards three oncoming russian army vehicles. the confrontation forced the russians to turn around. today russian troops fired into the air and launched smoke grenades to disperse the crowd. this is video from local news agencies that were there. with its ground assault stalled russia is firing more long-range missiles, a strike in kyiv overnight flattened much of a large shopping mall. this is the mall now. you can see it has been completely blown out and surrounding it a smoldering pit of wreckage. the fireball that engulfed it was caught on camera.

at least eight people were killed inside. as the images in reporting show the mounting civilian death toll, alongside bombed out schools, hospitals and theaters and now a mall, officials are adjusting their messaging, if ever so slightly, tiptoeing toward a red line. here's lloyd austin on a sunday show this weekend. >> if a chemical or biological weapon was used, you would see a significant reaction from not only the united states but also the global community. again, i don't want to speculate about what exactly what would change our calculation, and engaging in hypotheticals is probably not helpful here either, but this is a very serious step and as you heard our president say, we won't take that lightly. >> meanwhile poland is talking like it might strike out on its

own. it's leaders is advocating for a peacekeeping force that would work outside ukraine, and the united states says it opposed such a move and that proposal will be brought up again when president biden travels to europe this week to meet with nato allies and leaders. joining me now is nbc correspondent, richard engel and nbc chief correspondent, andrea mitchell. richard, what is it like seeing kyiv get struck by missiles? >> reporter: this city is once again in a full lockdown. this is the third time a lockdown has been put in place and it's going to be in place for the next 35 hours, ordered by the mayor. when this happens the city shuts down. there's not much life in kyiv to begin with, although for the

last week or so people have started to come out more, feel a little more comfortable and confident that the russian offensive is, in fact, stalled. then, amid what had been -- i don't want to describe it as a relative calm, but a level of violence that people had been accustomed to, and then there are the strikes, one a day or two a day hitting the center of the city and that one overnight hitting the shopping center. the big concern, as you were just eluding to right now, there's a stalemate. the russians have stalled and are digging in their positions and the ukrainians have defended their cities to an extraordinary ability. the question is how does russia try and break this stalemate? it could try and bring in bigger weapons when it runs to a brick wall, and it could try to bring in more artillery, and launching

all kinds of munitions, or it could change it entirely or try to change it entirely by using a chemical weapon, using a bioweapon, some sort of dirty bomb and i don't mean a nuclear bomb, but some sort of weapon that is confusing, that is terrifying, that the russians might try and blame on ukrainians. i know u.s. officials are concerned about this because the russians continue to be talking about some alleged ukrainian bioweapons program, chemical weapons program, weapons of mass destruction program that they allege that ukraine was working with the pentagon to produce, and that's not the case. and either the russian initiative was stalled and that's embarrassing to putin and it's concerning the people

watching it because putin may try and end that stalemate. >> richard, hang on because i want to ask you about other reporting you were doing, but i want to get andrea mitchell to jump in on this. so many areas of ukraine, civilian areas have been targeted or hit by bombs, and joe biden now called vladimir putin a war criminal. how is russia responding? >> with fury, absolutely saying it's unacceptable. they demanded the ambassador -- the u.s. ambassador to moscow, john sullivan, come in, and that's called a marsh in diplomatic terms. and according to the russian foreign ministry, in no uncertain terms, these are the steps in starting to sever relations, and not even in the cold war did they threaten to

sever relations. it's really important to continue talking when things are this adversarial. the last thing you want to do is sever relations, and the u.s. has not confirmed that's what the foreign ministry actually did when ambassador sullivan did, and instead they are giving their version that ambassador sullivan complained american detainees are being kept in prison there, and two men in particular who have not been let out, and also people who have not yet been formerly charged are being detained without counselor visits and that's specific also to brittney griner, the wnba star. >> yeah, there have been calls among lawmakers and others that we should be clear with vladimir putin about what we will

tolerate. it seems to me that secretary lloyd austin over the weekend got a little closer to drawing a red line. what did you make of that? >> well, i think they are trying to do everything they can to detour russia -- to detour vladimir putin from doing the unthinkable, but it's thinkable by putin because he has done it before and helped assad get away with it in syria. you know, if he were to use chemicals or a biological weapon, it would be devastating, obviously. these are crimes against humanity. they are weapons of mass destruction and they are illegal, and they are not being specific. lloyd austin, general austin said, the defense secretary said there would be very severe consequences, that's what they are saying. they don't want to be specific. they are just letting russia know that this would be a bridge too far. interestingly, the nato secretary general, stoltenberg

with chuck todd yesterday on "meet the press" had a different approach, he said it would be horrific and would escalate the war but that's not the issue for nato, and for nato it's to avoid this becoming a wider conflict between nato and russia, and making clear where his priority lies, and it remains to be seen how they resolve those differences in approach as nato gathers here later this week for the emergency summit, katy. >> an intense worry it would start world war iii. and richard, there are a lot of babies right now who are currently inside that country, and how are they being cared for? are there plans to try and get them out and to their parents? >> reporter: so this country is popular for surrogates, so biological parents will have their children born by a

ukrainian woman and when the war broke out a lot of those plans -- all of those plans were suddenly disrupted and babies have been born during this conflict to surrogates and their biological parents are terrified. we went to a bunker, and there were 18 babies in the bunker currently, and some days it has gone up to 20 and some days it's 25 and some days it's slightly fewer than 18 because they are leaving. it's not an organized process. there's no convoy that is taking them out, but some parents are making the journey in crossing into this country and coming to kyiv and collecting their children and taking them out of the country again, or they are hiring intermediaries, trusted intermediaries who could at least accompany them to the border where they could be picked up by their biological parents. it's a harrowing experience and

something nobody ever wants to go through, but at least in the shelter that we visited, the children are being well taken care of. the shelter was clean and safe and it was underground, but it is obviously a very nerve-racking time for the biological parents and a tremendous feeling of responsibility for this agency, this surrogacy agency that is now sheltering these babies while they are waiting to be collected. >> i want to play a little bit of the interview you did with some of the nurses there. let's listen. >> and there are more children coming. some are getting collected but more pregnant carriers, more pregnant women are giving birth, so there's more on the way. >> yes, others who were pregnant drop off new babies, she said. what will help the situation,

these children? we ask to stop the war, antonia says. we want this nightmare to end. >> so hard to care for a newborn, and i can't imagine caring for a newborn during a war. richard, thank you, and andrea mitchell, thank you as well. and joining us, a former adviser to president zelenskyy. thank you for being here with us. there's what a nato official was calling a stalemate right now. talk to me about the will of the ukrainian people. >> well, the will is as great as always. you know, i keep saying the home of the free and of the brave, and either you are or aren't, and at the same time we are at a pivotal point where time will start working against ukraine. if we can cope with the military

threat to our country, our soldiers are fighting brilliantly. first of all, there's too many of them, and the avengers, there was too many of them. it's not on the military front we're worried about, but the economy is collapsing. it's nearly impossible to do business at a time like this, so anybody not involved in providing essential supplies is out of business, and so i think that's what russia is counting on at the moment, and plus the main focus as things stand is to the south of us in places like mariupol and probably odesa, next. >> it's the pain of war and the

pain of economic collapse, as you are talking about. president zelenskyy said over and over again that he's willing to meet with vladimir putin and negotiate. the russians have asked for surrender in a number of cities, including in mariupol where the ukrainians have said absolutely not. when you are negotiating or when president zelenskyy is negotiating with vladimir putin, if he does at some point, what could be on the table? >> well, i think the more realistic things, once again we'll have to see what the military situation is like and what the context of that negotiation is like when zelenskyy meets with putin, if he meets with him. but the military neutrality of ukraine can be discussed, because as things stood before the war, i mean, we are neutral country. the only thing we care about militarily is our children not to get killed, and that's the

reason if that's impossible, if nato wouldn't take us, then some tangible guarantees for ukraine, and he lives under the impression that there are nazis here, and it would be difficult to denazify. a 96-year-old holocaust survivor was killed by a russian rocket in his apartment. that's, you know, the real situation with the denazification of ukraine. and the line of division among the ukrainian people, we won't accept any military surrenders or anything threatening our integrity. that's out of the question.

>> we hear mixed stories, some are surrendering and they don't want to fight and don't know why they are there, and we are hearing about unimaginable horrors, them firing on a crowd in a bread line. you know, russians firing on hospitals and schools, killing children. how do you make sense of that? >> well, look, i think there's a consensus among the ukrainian soldiers, if some russian soldiers got tricked into coming here, that number is incredibly small. and i tell a story, one of our friends had family there and when the russians occupied a village, they locked them in a cellar and used them as slaves, and that's one example.

another example, they are looting and stealing everything. the russian state actually stole five ships loaded with grain south of ukraine. what is happening on the ground here is a strange mix of genocide with an armed robbery, with tanks and missiles. i think russian soldiers understand full well what is going on and the only regret is if and when they get caught. >> thank you so much for being with us. we appreciate your time and for some good insight for what it's like on the ground there, how ukrainians are feeling. thank you so much for being with us. still ahead, what is happening to the americans who signed up to fight for ukraine? plus, a now rare report from inside of russia. nbc's keir simmons on what russians think about all of this. later, history on capitol hill. what republicans are now saying

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i have no direct relations to ukrainians but i feel like -- i don't know, i feel like it's the right thing to do and that's the best way to get your passions in life. i told my mom when i was at work, i was, like, i am going to

do humanitarian work, and my mom was really tore up about it. she cried. my dad was more understanding. they both said it would be a good experience, i guess because they want me to grow up more, but they don't know that i am planning on going over to ukraine and -- my dad already kind of said not to, but like i said, if it's a passion -- it's a passion that i am willing to die for. >> they might know now. that's 22-year-old tristan from illinois speaking to a reporter in poland. foreigners have expressed interest enjoining the volunteer force. their list includes an estimated 4,000 american veterans. it's unclear how many veterans have showed up but according to

the washington post, hundreds of other would-be american fighters like tristan with no experience or equipment or no real plan have already crossed the border. joining me from kyiv is a correspondent at large for "the washington post" and an msnbc contributor. he has reported for more than 65 countries on four continents. thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> those foreigners going over with no real plan, what do they tell you? >> yeah, it's a bit surreal to listen to them. they tell me they are driven by passions like the soldier you just spoke to, and they

literally see the conflict as one of good versus evil and the evil is vladimir putin and the russian forces. many of them have -- there's actually a way to get to join the international legion. you can contact the ukrainian embassy in d.c. or consulates and apply and do it that way, but a lot of the americans i spoke to bypassed that. they were impatient and they did not wait for an e-mail response and they bought their own ticket and packed up a bag, and those that had a bullet proof vest brought it along and bought a one-way ticket to poland and crossed over to ukraine and now are in the capital of kyiv. >> how does it work then? hey, i am adam from america and i would like to fight? >> yeah, basically that's what

it seems to be like. they obviously don't speak the language, but there's enough ukrainians here that speak english. they make contacts with enough people that push them in the right direction, and miraculously they are connected with the international legion and they become part of a unit. yeah, it's as simple as that. others are more organized. the ones that signed up in the u.s. are given instructions on who to meet and so on, but there are people that just arrive here and just ask around and end up in the legion. >> it's noble to believe you are fighting against evil, but it's kind of hairy though. president biden said he doesn't want americans there and americans should get out, and the russians said they would treat foreign fighters as mercenaries and they will not be bound by the international laws of conflict, and some might

argue they have not been bound by them to begin with. how complicated is it if an american, i guess, gets killed in the war fighting for ukraine? >> very complicated. first of all, well, if they get killed it's unclear whether or not the geneva convention rules will be followed in terms of reclaiming their bodies, and also potentially drags the united states into war, and if you see americans getting killed on the front lines and it adds a dimension, and in the event they are captured they could become part of the kremlin's propaganda machine as evidence as what the kremlin claims is an american plot against them. they are already labeling these fighters as mercenaries. when i talk to some of the military analysts, they were

suggesting that for ukraine, there's no real value in having inexperienced fighters, western fighters on the ground with them. they are doing a good job themselves keeping the russians at bay, and of course, you know, to be sure, there are experienced military veterans in the afghan and iraq wars who are also coming. when you talk to ukrainians, they say if you don't have battle experience, don't come here. >> i want to read a little from your article. i have to let you go but i will read this line. this is from brian. i have been a hunter all my life, and i got assigned to a sniper team here and i will kill every blank russian i can here, and using an expletive describing russians, and i have never killed a man but i will enjoy it. that's what you describe in your post. everybody should read it, really interesting. thank you for being with us. we appreciate it. >> thank you.

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now let's toss it over to my colleague, kris chris jansing. >> while senators on both sides say they want this to be civil, there are more than a few clues piling up pointing to where things could get contentious in the coming days. so far republicans have used their time to mention critical race theory and request whether judge jackson has been soft on crime, while one democrat gave a forceful rely to some republicans affirmative action comments. >> some have claimed you need to show us your scores to determine if you are a top legal mind, and

this is con condescending. it's about time our highest court better reflects the country it serves. >> joining me now is a senior editor, legal correspondent and host of a podcast. good to see you. one moment that i think stood out in the last hour was senator josh hawley. take a question. >> some asked why didn't i ask these questions ahead of the hearing and spring them on judge jackson, and it's simple, i am not interested in trying to trap her or apply gotcha, but i am interested in her answers. >> one is that republicans are

talking about that they want this to be civil and we have heard them make it clear that there's pretty contentious accusations they are about to make. >> that was a really interesting choice, chris, by senator hawley. he suggested on thursday he was going to go with the line of questions that judge jackson was soft on pedophiles. his data is wrong and he doesn't understand how sentencing works and the guidelines. the national review online, the most conservative publication out there debunked it this morning and said it was an attack and he went for it anyway, and he did it under the guise that people are asking or saying. >> at this point the republicans say they want to get to the

heart of judge jackson's judicial philosophy, and what that means in the legal sense can be different than what it means in the political sense? >> it has been a funny day because there's a real back to the future energy about this conversation where you are hearing a lot of talk about originalism and living constitutionalism. all of those ideas, it's like talking about monica and rachel on "friends." there's no originalists left on the court, really, and there's not been a living constitutionalists maybe since the '70s, so it's a tired old frame for talking about judicial philosophy, and it allows them to say, you are not going to mix things up, right, and the answer is no, and it's not intellectually an interesting or modern frame. >> thanks for that. i appreciate it.

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facebook and instagram and they labeled the company an extremist company. nbc's keir simmons returned after several weeks in moscow about russians think about vladimir putin. >> as president putin plots his next moves behind the walls of the kremlin, outside a simple question ae listits an unwaving response. >> he's very good. >> good. >> you think he's good? you think he's excellent. >> yes. >> i agree with putin. any action, any decision. >> for others, simply answering is too difficult, perhaps even dangerous. >> reporter: what do you think of president putin? >> no. >> what do you think of vladimir putin? >> no comments. >> no comments? >> yes.

>> the president attending a rally broadcast by the state tv, last week calling his critics scum and traitors, and attacking many russians fleeing the country accusing them of wanting to eat european oysters and he's also conceded russia has casualties, and even senior officers. ukrainian claims six russian generals have been killed although there's no corroboration of that. military leaders forced to the front line, and some western analysts believe to improve morale and organization, and some say putin's state of mind are not helpful according to a senior adviser who was on the call with turkey's prime minister and putin. >> he was making his position. >> he says a meeting between vladimir putin and president

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media and only watch russian tv, and they would be even a stronger response that putin is great and it's all wonderful and we need to clear ukraine from the nazis in their government and in their politics. that's certainly actually a sample where some suggests putin's approval rating is up to 80%, and i don't believe that and i do think though it has ridden, and the fact that meta, instagram and other connections to the world has been cut off for the russians, especially in the bigger cities, it's a great loss. my relatives and my niece and nephew just had their

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where is the iron curtain? >> my fear is, and i hope i am not correct, and it's the other way around, the economic sanctions, fine, but there's an onslaught on russian society, whatever is left of it, the russian connection to the world, and for the russians, in fact, i know those russians and i just talked to them, and they would think putin's many years long message, the west wants to destroy us and, look, that's what they are doing. they are fleeing the mcdonald's and canceling all others from microsoft from adobe to many, many other programs to starbucks is actually proving his point to many russians rather than making them criticize him.

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produced a record crop last year are running short on everything this year. and even if they had enough materials, like fertilizer, they can't get enough fuel to power their equipment. those shortages ahead of the spring sprout season could mean millions don't have enough to eat. joining me now from lviv, ukraine, is jacob soboroff. jacob, this is a really big deal. >> reporter: yeah, it's much bigger than you might think, katy. ukraine is known as the bread basket of europe. when we go around this city as we did in lviv today, it's not just the fact that this city is under five different air raid sirens today. when you go into the bakeries here, the bread that is produced here, those producers quite literally have one of the most important jobs not just in this nation but the world when it comes to feeding everyone around the globe. as soon as we got outside lviv city center, the landscape

looked familiar, like the american heartland. but there was one key difference. >> you see checkpoints like this everywhere you go appeared if you thought people might be more relaxed or comfortable in a rural community, you're right. all we've got around here is farm everywhere we look. we were greeted by a man and his daughter. their 21,000-acre farm is considered medium-sized for ukraine. ten days ago, ukrainian president zelenskyy encouraged farmers not to flee, to carry on with their work amid the war. saying, it's about our victory. you consider the men who drive the trucks like this as important as the soldiers on the front lines? that's true, he says. this is our battlefield. we have to make sure our country and other countries have something to eat. ukraine owes its agricultural productivity to its soil and it has a name of its own. i've never heard the term

before. this is very nutritious soil, he says. it's what makes ukraine the world's largest exporter of sunflower oil and among the top ten exporters of grain and corn. oh, it's nice. all of a sudden, what seems like a sanctuary from the war, invaded by a sound in the sky. hey, keep looking. listen. is that a fighter jet? it's most likely a military plane, he tells me, unsure if it's ukrainian or russian. when you hear a plane like that, what do you think? i'm anxious, he says. but we have to do our work. back on the farm in front of a pile of soybeans they plan to export to europe, it's clear why. russia is already hitting warehouses that are storage for food in kyiv, we've already seen

it. could something like this be a target as well? we can expect anything from these people, he says. you have a 3-year-old son. it's his grandchild. what will you tell your son about the war? i just pray to god for my son not to see the explosions, not to see what the war looks like, maria says. her father wanted to say something too. i want my grandchild when he grows up to be proud of how we handled the situation. that we stayed here and worked really hard for the victory. katy, these farmers are not just fighting for ukraine, they are fighting for europe, they are fighting for north africa, they are fighting for asia, all places that depend on the produce exports that come out of here such as produce as agriculture in general, that that supply chain is broken. frankly, it's already broken. black sea exports have effectively stopped. it is going to create incredible crises throughout the world.

the u.n. calls it a potential hurricane of hunger that will affect global markets for some time to come. >> striking what that grandfather wants his grandson to know, to be proud of them and the hard work they did during this moment of crisis. jacob soboroff, jacob, thank you so much. we do want to leave you with something a little better than usual. amid all that chaos, all that death, all that destruction, there are still moments of joy in ukraine. here's one of them. on sunday at a base in kyiv, two ukrainian soldiers were married by their battalion commander. it was captured by lindsay adario, a photographer for "the new york times." you know adario, she is the same photographer we interviewed who captured that now infamous image of the family who died on the side of the road trying to escape irpin. we thank lindsay for bringing us that and we also thank lindsay for bringing us this, a reason to smile. that's going to do it for me today. hallie jackson picks up our coverage, next. p our

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this hour, we are watching for a history-making moment on capitol hill. judge ketanji brown jackson, the first black woman nominated for the supreme court, set to give her opening statement. based on the timing so far, likely in the next 60 minutes in front of the senate judiciary committee. we will bring that to you live. we're also about to get an update from the white house and the pentagon