it is 7:00, good to see you this morning. waking up under curfew, in the ukrainian capital of kyiv, following a new warning from the u.s. president, and with possible intentions of chemical weapons. small business minister, joining us on the show, in just a few moments time. we also speaking to a former head of the british army, and a former foreign secretary, plus,

amidst polls for the government after they sacked hundreds of staff. i'll be asking the general secretary what more, if anything, can be done, and through the 22nd of march. clamping down. russian troops, turning on peaceful protesters in the city of kherson. living in the shadows. we report from kharkiv, a city under attack, and underground periods of makeshift holes. >> three weeks. >> how do you feel about? it >> first, when we were down here, we would hear something blow up and run here, but now we go, oh, what was that? oh, just shooting. >> a very good morning from odessa in south ukraine. a city, seeing its first

shelling from a russian warship. as president biden warned russia against the use of chemical weapons. >> they can already use chemical weapons in the past, and with what is about to come. >> deadline day. bosses are having until this afternoon, and at the time they sacked 800 staff. no sign of survivors. with their rescue teams of southern china, and after playing with 132 people on board, crashing into mountains, and why it would never happen. >> i am in a mountain to southern china's rescue workers, and is picking through the devastation, and the crash site. >> a tragic incident. a toddler has died, after being attacked by a dog. a family, that it only bought a week ago. a royal tribute.

prince william's message to ukrainian, struggling for survival. >> today, we think of those in ukraine, and we stand with them and solidarity. >> also ahead on the program, i will be joined by the london restaurant tour, who has taken the pizza of and a court, to help defeat refugee children -- feed refugee children. >> three years ago, and secret, i started taking a tunnel that would go for my workshop, to my house, and eventually into the bunker in the backyard and. this is where we're at. >> tunnel vision. we will be speaking to the inventor who spent two years digging a tunnel, under his guard, and from his house, to his shed. but why? we will tell you at 20 to 10. >> morning all. ukraine's capital is waking up under curfew this morning. the breaking news in the last three minutes, from the

ministry of defense, is that russian forces are having a day of limited progress, with most horses largely stalled. intelligence also suggest, that heavy fighting is continue to hold off attempts in mariupol. these are the latest developments. a curfew, remaining in place in the capital of kyiv, until 7 pm, local time tomorrow. they said that moscow could be considering using chemical weapons. for his part, president sullen ski said that any potential deal agreed in peace negotiations to end the war would be submitted to the ukrainian people in a referendum. and, dozens of ukrainian orphans, and their carers, who were due to fly from poland, to the uk, on monday. they are still stuck and poland, because of missing documentation. shocking pictures. these russian troops,

reportedly, using stun grenades, and firing shots to dispatch protesters in the occupied city of kherson. the video, showing several hundred pro ukrainian protesters in the city's freedom square. would appear to be stunned names, landing around them. this would be hurt, and there are plenty of clouds of smoke. according to ukrainian officials, at least one person is wounded. meanwhile, the chechen leader, has posted a video on his telegram page. the church and fighters are taking part in russia's offensive against mariupol. sky news, cannot independently verify the date location, or indeed, conditions under which these images were shot. chen thought, unsuccessfully, for independence from russia. its leader, reported by moscow. new satellite imagery, released

by the private space technology company, showing the scale of damage that russia has inflicted on ukraine cities. it is in the northern city of chernihiv, and again, in irpin, outside of kyiv, it is in the encircled port city of mariupol. again, they have warned that moscow is considering using chemical weapons in its war against ukraine. >> with the back against the wall, it was a new false flags they are setting up, including since asserting that they may be using biological, and chemical weapons in europe, is simply, not true. he has already used chemical weapons in the past. we should be careful with what is about to come. >> who is in their cities, and it is striking residential areas in his first attack in the area.

they were in that strategic black sea port city, and good to see you always. two significant developments, i would say, when president biden reiterated in the use of chemical, or biological weapons. with where you are chilling, coming from the russian navy. >> it is a significant day yesterday, neil. it was the first time that the russian warships are seeing off the course here, in odessa, it is in firing from the warships actually made contact on the ground. it is that struck from about six shelves, smashing an apartment block. it was going to be a general consensus, and it's, perhaps, the russian navy tearing out test fires, to see how close they could come into the coast, and how far inland they could

reach their shells. those shelves have a range of around 20, to 25 kilometers, depending on weather conditions. this could have been some kind of test of odessa's systems. they were calling with a bit of damage, and there had been some shelling, and in the city they were in the city, and to the south. it was sending people to a panic. these people are very stoic. they have been spending weeks fortifying their city. there are cars coming and going, i can see people walking their dogs, and in a little bit, we have determine the sum of the shops are open, and it is complacency. they always expected this port city in it is some strategically important. yesterday, there have been a warning sign of that. >> many thanks indeed. once again, it is a small business.

let's to talk about, rather close or two-year brief. it was once again seeing in ukraine. they had issued concerns about russian potential use of biological, or chemical weapons. if those were to be used, that would undoubtedly be a war crime, wouldn't it? >> i think president biden, and the prime minister, have been resolute to take every action, with the international community, and to address those kinds of vladimir putin. we have to remember as well, with all of this, is that vladimir putin's war against russia, and criminals were against ukraine, is not the russian people. so, we need to ensure, we can appeal to the russian people. to bring an end to this. >> those in ukraine, of course, will be concerned as to whether or not this is president biden speculating, on the basis of the russian stall, and various parts of the country. or, perhaps, weather as this happened on a number of

occasions in the past, the americans are revealing intelligence. do you know which of those it might be? >> i don't know. but, i wouldn't like to speculate. >> just in terms of the sanctions, there have been a couple of super yachts that have been moved around recently. italy has been urged to seize the super yacht, allegedly, link to vladimir putin. ensure hair is out. now, is that the type of action that we wish to see. it's pretty big, you can't miss it. would you support their talent and taking that? >> i think what i can talk about, is what we have done. we have the sanction to more than 1000 individuals, and entities. we very much been on the front foot, in passing the economic crime bill, which i saw last week, which included registering the ownership of the beneficial ownership of properties, within the uk. we can use that as a tool to better sanction, target sanctions, and they are supportive of putin. >> just on that point though, how close are they really, and

it was a large building that had been scattered around, and widespread. >> it is what they love to do, and it is when people bought the shelf that they would have to register, who actually owns it, who's beneficial for it. there are many properties involved in that, and most of those, clearly, are not owned by oligarchs. many are using for legitimate reasons, and it is a useful tool for the intelligence agencies, and enforcement agencies, being able to target the right people. >> it is a 50 million pound mansion, toward it is in terms of the various. so, the accusations have been particularly from those who were sanctioned, and a nondisclosure agreement. it was a night before that it was over the zoom call, and what to do with it. just to give the opportunity, and to counter that allegation. >> i knew nothing better, but

the secretary of state and the no company is going to be announcing redundancies in the following day. not as in the debate that we heard yesterday, to see if that we will be balaclava wearing, and security guards, or anything like that. they have made redundancies over the last couple of years, each years, for every couple of years as well. it is not good financial estate, and they expected to be going along the same way as those redundancies announced previously. they absolutely egregious situation. >> just to be absolutely clear, 800 people were about to lose their jobs. he didn't feel that it was unnecessary, about him, and colleagues, and to speak with the ferries. >> when normally happens with redundancies, if you're in a situation where you can say there is going to be an announcement, and it is legislation, and things have been required, and under the

law. so, in the notification, as in the chief exact of being the ferris, and with the exact detail, not just the various amounts of media, we need to collect it in one place. because there are criminal sanctions. and, unclear doing the unlimited fine. >> it is all post talk. it in those few hours, that window of opportunity, before that zoom call came, and before those sackings were issued, there is been an opportunity to speak to the ferries. i understand, after the fact, we were not utterly aghast. surely, before the announcement was made, it should've been an opportunity for this government to put in and check. doesn't even have to be a minister, or a civil servant. >> just the hours that we had before was not even enough time to step up and working pensions, to take a loan to actually

reverse a decision. nonetheless we have sent those ferries. get around the table, reverse the decision, speak to the union, speak to the workers. >> it's possible that they have done is entirely legal. they are not flagged in the united kingdom, they celine international waters, the allegation is day of hired indian agency staff on less than two pounds an hour. it could, potentially, be perfectly legal. but, as of 7:00 this morning, and despite the other companies doing this they're operating in similar circumstances. , well, this is the complication. a lot of this is about jurisdiction, as he said, with the vessels in fact in the uk understand the contract may not have been signed within the uk. this is all the things that we are trying to determine. nonetheless, the point still stands, if it is a business online, in the uk, within your uk jurisdiction, there are plenty of laws in place which carry criminal sanctions. >> are we going to change the law, though, to prevent firing and rehiring?

>> this wasn't really a case of firing and rehired. >> it said, in the memo circulated by the d f t that their ambition was to fire and rehire at more favorable conditions. that was in the civil servants. no >> but the ambition was to re-hire other people. so, you, know you have 800 people sitting in the uk without a job that had no opportunity of going back to the john. that is where that confrontation was so important. but this is a case of mass sacking that was done in the most callous. way >> so, they're probably going to do something about? it >> yes, in fact, we are -- >> if it proves that they have been acted illegally. if they haven't acted illegally under english law, humanitarian law, what are they going to do? >> if they have, what we reserve the right to do is to tackle this. if we haven't, obviously, we want to make sure that we can support the 800 people who have lost their job to make sure that they can get back into good work. but, we will have to work with

international partners. because this is, as you say, a complex web of international maritime law when you have vessels flagged with other countries. >> i do want to hear. but will return to adjust in the. and we heard him speak very movingly about in conservation and indeed, a hard complaint, that the foreign sector theresa could've solved this. not if we were told, the other, day that this was a debt, this was an obligation that we had to the iranians of 400 million pounds, thereabouts, if that was a dead that we old on the last date of the incarceration, it was a death that we owed on the first day of incarceration. so, i will ask again the question that she asked, why didn't we pay before? >> first of all, it was such a pleasure to see it. i am looking at such good -- i've seen are, through all that she's been, through their both of the hunger strikes. he really suffered, as did, she asked to their family, so it's

lovely to see them. back but clearly, what we had to do, the government had to, do was to make sure that, yes, it was a debt that was there to be paid, it was worked in parallel, but it was a complex situation. that debt worked alongside sanctions from a number of countries around the world with the run. you know, that was not something that was relatively easy to sort out. >> december 2017, when boris johnson was secretary, he was trying to secure the release. the line from downing street at that point,, was that there was absolutely no link between the debt and the incarceration. in fact, there was only in may 2019 that the sunday times went to court to get documents published that showed that this debt was at the heart of. it so, again, we also learned that you had that two defense secretary, michael falin, had also said no to a foreign officer requests for the money to be paid over the defense budget. there were opportunities over

the six years for this money to be paid. and the government chose not to do so. so it doesn't matter. >> as i said, that debt and her release were right there in parallel. but there was just a coincidence. >> but there was a mistake. >> there is a complex set of approaches with the international community when you've got the u.s. with sanctions against iran. when you've got other sanctions against. around it is very difficult to have those any closer together. for fair of otherwise what might happen in another given situation. perhaps giving run some in other parts of the. world >> again, his line is, if this money had anything to do with my release six years into my incarceration, why could it not have been done earlier? you could understand or? >> i could understand her frustration. what's she's gone to -- gunther's horrendous. i could totally understand her frustration. having met returned a few times, i have seen the pain and

anguish in the family over that period as well. so, all of them do now -- and she's really back, i am glad she's. back i'm glad we got her out, resolutely, and she could put this behind or somehow and rebuilt that time with the family. >> we have 30 seconds left in the interview, i suspect you're not going to give me all the details of the interview tomorrow. so why don't you tell me what they will be designed to achieve? >> we've got a lot of headwinds. everybody is facing, businesses are facing, individuals are. well it is so important that a chance it will be looking at the public finances in the round to make sure he could continue to flex and support people in difficult times. >> minister, great to have you on, thank you for being with. us >> why don't we have a quick look at the papers. we'll start with times, it focuses on mariupol. we are seeing that vladimir putin is threatening civilians to try and break their spirit. at the telegraph, has a picture of what it believes is putin's half a billion super yacht.

it's quite sober isn't it. it says it could be seized by authorities in italy as part of sanctions against russia. the guardian really feels, what it says, are billions of dollars in assets around the world linked with the russians alleged ties to president putin. the male reports to the murder of mp. and even cabinet ministers as part as possible targets. now, just a little later, we will have a special report from our correspondent, john sparks, in kharkiv. with civilians have made underground cottages into makeshift home. . >> whenever we hear something blow up we, think, oh, what is. that well, after four weeks of overland didn't russian bombing,

this is the new normal for ukrainians in kharkiv. many of them are looking after babies. one mother we spoke to said that the trauma of living in this war zone will stay with there forever. it is a tough but important watch. so please do stay tuned for john's report. john's report. a pro kremlin tabloid is removed a post on their website saying the 14,000 russian troops have been killed and 16,000 wounded in the war in ukraine. the publication now claims its site was hacked and that the information that was posted was fake. russia's the last casualty report, last three weeks ago, said that nearly 500 soldiers have died. well, here we have some social media footage of anti-war protesters attempting to blockade a yacht belonging to the sanction. russian oligarch, abramovich, stopped it from leaving the dock. a group of people with

ukrainian flags boarded a small boat to prevent the yacht from the parting the sea resort. turkey has not sanctioned russia for invading ukraine. still to come on the program, well as russia continues -- its indiscriminate bombing campaign, where is this we're heading next? after half past, we'll speak to the former arms forces chief. former arms forces chief we'll also be speaking to the campaigner, calls to the government create a new survivor structure. five years on from the terror tack. and after eight, we'll be hearing from the secretary, jonathan rentals. now, china's aviation authority said it was traveling from the city of coming to jim xu, a

place of over 600 miles. the plane came down in mountains in the city of windsor. emergency services at the crash site have now fun some debris in a heavily forest area. but still no sign of any survivors. our correspondent, tom chinchar reports from near the accident site. this is a small village, quite away from which, at the near city, it shows you how remote the city. as this is the center, a makeshift center, for the search and rescue operation. we have seen people streaming in and out towards the crash site. but we arrived here to the side news and there are no survivors from this plane site. that has changed the nature of the operation. what will be doing now is going to that mountain, kicking through any debris. and it looks like tiny pieces will be what will try to find to put together what happened to this eastern flight. it is a mystery at the moment. this flight was cruising along

yesterday in nice weather conditions, nothing to worry about. and it plummeted from the sky. at an extraordinary rate, it managed to pull up and then dive back into the. grant imagine that happening to a modern airplane? the investigation will be looking at. why there won't be focus, of course, on the manufacture of the plane. especially given the history of the 2787 plane. this is a different one. nonetheless, china is still a state owned carrier. one of china's three flagged ship carriers is grounded new. they said that they will cooperate with the chinese civil aviation administration investigation. there are still relatives gathering within the airport in wuzhou, where took off and where was headed to. they have got answers for agreements. or the fact that there are no survivors on this plane crashed. 132 souls on board that flight which crashed into mountains

just over there. mountwell, some newspapers are reporting that this image of a plane's the plane in question. we, however, cannot independently verify this image. this is showing the image of the plane in a vertical descent. and some other news now -- the two people who died after an attack at a secondary school in sweden. and 18-year-old student was arrested for suspicion of murder. it is not yet clear what had happened but the police have confirmed that the reports heard gunfire. a new study has found a number of prescriptions written for anti-anxiety medication have risen sharply. researchers from the university of bristles found that women are almost twice as likely as men to be diagnosed with anxiety. push under, remember, him he's attending the memorial service

according to the. ports the jubilee arts recently settled over the virginia state six claim against him and reportedly attend the westminster next week on honoring his father. many members of the royal family are expected to attend. meanwhile, principal you've has expressed his solidarity with people in ukraine. he was speaking on a visit to a military base in belize during his tour of the caribbean. this report from skies correspondent, carrie animals, doesn't contain flash photography. the last royal to come to the ruins was the queen in her platinum jubilee year, her grandson and granddaughter in law where the ones delivering her warm wishes. >> long live the queen, can diva a lot of china. >> william just a moment to recall his grandmother's words of praise in 1994, to then condemn the horse taking place in ukraine.

>> she said, i am proud to associate myself with their determination, you're social justice, and personal freedom should flourish under the rule of law. it is always day just a, ever to be complacent and to assume the democratic values will look after themselves. vigilance in protecting them is needed. sadly, elsewhere in the world, now vigilance is being tested today in ukraine. belize has joined many others in condemning the invasion. and standing up for the principles of international law, peace and security. today, we think of those struggling in ukraine and we stand with them in solidarity. >> it was a reminder beast tours aren't all about sightseeing after their morning among the mind ruins that chemical. the couple standing on the sky

palace, still, the largest man-made structure in police was the picture. until they were joined by some of us. >> these pictures are priceless for people of belize. the tour brings immense global attention. and a stage, the raw couple know that they could also personally used to deliver the messages that matters so much to them. randall mills, sky news, in belize. now, you may remember this, law, incredible moment in the early days of the russian invasion. ♪ ♪ ♪ sweet, seven year old captured hearts when she sang let it go from the movie frozen in ukrainian, of, course it her bombshell there. well, you might want to take a look at this. ♪ ♪ ♪

she performed the national anthem at a charity concert in poland. the little girl escaped ukraine, three weeks, ago with their grandmother and siblings. her mother and father the, has stayed behind in kyiv. ♪ ♪ ♪ sweet little girl. at home, i wonder if you could tell which of these incredible famous works of art is set to fetch millions at auction? well, let's have a quick look at christy's auction house. it shows that it will not be selling mona lisa, not the self portrait, not the screen, but down there, bottom right. 1964, andy warhol of madeleine

monroe, how much? $200 million. which would make it the most expensive 20th century artwork ever to sell at auction. well, the painting comes to christie's from a health care foundation for children. and all of the proceeds of the sale are supposed to be going towards it. good for them. stay right where you are. coming up next, we'll discuss the state in ukraine with the former head of the armed forces for richard dunn r richard dunn through the colonial penn program. if you're age 50 to 85, and looking to buy life insurance on a fixed budget, remember the three ps. what are the three ps? the three ps of life insurance on a fixed budget are price, price, and price. a price you can afford, a price that can't increase, and a price that fits your budget. i'm 54, what's my price? you can get coverage for $9.95 a month.

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do something that is contributing to a better future. >> news reaching us from the metropolitan police force. officers investigating the death of sub eta thin wanting in clark and we'll have now charged man with murder. he was named as --

born of 24 years old, with no fixed address. due to appear in court, later on today. of course, detectives were called to arbor housing sebastian street, and ten past five in the morning. 19 year old had been found suffering from serious injuries. she was, however, pronounced at the scene. police today, announcing that they have now charged a man with her murder. let's just remind you as to our top stories. >> turning to peaceful protesters, to the occupied city. a special report from kharkiv, and they couldn't under attack with underground trains, and in makeshift homes. the bosses at a company have until this afternoon to tell the government why they sacked

800 staff. a short time ago, the business minister saying that the government did not stop active redundancies. he told me he knew nothing about it. >> the secretary of state was informed for the night before, and and is in the following day. and there's not a debate they heard yesterday, and it was a security guard, and going on with that. with the ferries, they have made ordinances each year, the last couple of years as well, because they are in a not good, financial state. it was a way as those redundancies were previously, and that was an absolutely egregious situation. >> political correspondent, back in the studio.

in a deadline, there were letting to let us know at this time, and putting into the minister. the biggest complaint that was needed, they knew if nothing about it. they didn't get any pushback on it. >> yesterday, the transport secretary is the kick can see the government have been told, at least 12 hours, before these 800 workers were similarly sect in a quick zoom call, last week, but what the government said as with the proper procedure probably wasn't followed, because her supposed to liaise with the union, supposed to give the government notice is through the outlet. the procedures may have been followed, properly, it is not enough time and let hormone reversed the decision, entirely. they went to the not go away, and the chief executive is to respond to ten different questions, about why this happened, where the workers are,

and why this happened in other countries. it was going with peter have a way to get it back then, and they may well be hearing more from ministers today. there is a lot of angering, a lot of egregious, and terrible, and what's certainly labor, and the trade unions, in the staff and other companies may be owned by a foreign, company as a parent company wants to know, is how is this going to be stopped from happening again to other workers? >> tomorrow, thank you. let's return to ukraine, where, for many, life is certainly getting harder. in kharkiv, families are living in underground rail cavities to avoid shelling. kharkiv is ukraine's second city, and around 25 miles from the border with russia. our correspondent, john sparks, says this for us, which does contain images of injured people. >> the streets of kharkiv is the majority of those who would

live here. it was having to flee the city, and their prized possessions in the bank. their cars, discarded at the station. they were remaining in the shadows, in the dark, in the deep underground. more than a dozen metro stations, and has turned into shelters and, these battered looking train carriages, re-deployed as home. >> three weeks. >> how do you feel about it? >> when you hear something blow up, we are arriving here, but now we go, what was that? oh, just shooting. >> the experience is a trial. for a new mother, named metallica. she gave birth to her son, two days after the invasion began. the hospital, then center here.

>> they now live in the final car, on platform to. with a caught, and clothes, provided by volunteers. natalia says, life will never be the same again. >> residents try to endure, but some are no longer able. the city morgue, receiving 50 to 100 bodies per day, caused by the war, and natural causes. when a russian missile struck this institute, this is the entire neighborhood, damaging the blast. and 85-year-old, stella, told us they hung on to a door frame

in the hope that she would survive. >> sergei is an opera singer, turned volunteer, who was shot seven times, as they try to evacuate local residents. >> who was shooting at you?

>> circus body should heal and town, and he celebrated with an old, italian song of resistance. >> death, and displacement, coming to everybody's doorstep. there are many here who are determined to hold on. john sparks, sky news, kharkiv. >> russia's advance on the capital of kyiv had stalled in the face of fierce ukrainian resistance. that is being known from the former head of the british armed forces, and general richard. great to have you on the program once again. i wonder what you make of the evolution, in terms of the russian tactics, and john's report there with further examples of the fortitude of your average ukrainian. but, it's not just the ordinary

ukrainians that is taking up arms. their military, as well, has served to stall the rest in advance, pretty significantly. >> it is going to be very graphically, the difficult circumstances in which the ukrainian people are living. kharkiv, as the report says, is the second largest city in ukraine. what's happening there is quite appalling. with how the introduction was right. they were pushed by the russians, and go from belarus towards kyiv and, very much stalled. it is the family that reports, and in the north in the city. the russian forces are going on the offensive. hunkering down, and it is in the fight for kyiv. so, in the situation they're not having on strength. perhaps even the motivation of the will, and trying to push into the center of kyiv itself.

doing that medieval practice, and in the shelling. while that goes on, it is the eye of the storm and the president of the south, and in mariupol, and to decide on what happens in mariupol, the ukrainians are, desperately, determined to prevent that. to prevent that land link being formed, between crimea, all the way through mariupol, through the donbas, into russia, itself. with getting russian critical, with that land link establish, to ukrainian forces to have to give up finding mariupol, and is to redeploy quite a number of forces. perhaps, to threaten odessa, a barren mind that the russians have a larger amphibious force at,, threatening odessa, seeing an attack being made from that left port. it is an opportunity to get our

exports, out into the world shipping lanes. watching what's happening in the south, is very important. >> just getting picked up on what is on board, i think i'm fairly accurate in this, it is a medieval tactic of standing about finances, and it is very continuous, these artillery shelling's. if ukrainians continue to resist in the manner they do, it looks as if there may not be much of ukraine left in the not too distant future. >> it's an absolute irony, and it is outrageous, and an attack invasion. it is with purpose that, if you like putting an arm around ukraine, in drawing ukraine into the water family of russian people. i think ukrainians are fancy, and others who live in the eastern part, and into eastern republics. most of the ukrainians. in the interest now being part

of a greater russia, and getting in russia again, there are apparently taking control of ukraine. it is taking over a complete bomb site, or destroyed cities, but here is another. getting the historical importance of kyiv, does even vladimir putin want to smash up that historic city? certainly, he must want to leave something that they can parade on the world stage. but, the way things are going, the determination of ukrainians, the way that civilians are enduring enormous hardship, there is a level of teams that are funding most courageously. i can see this thing going on for quite some time. but, unless, a return is made to the negotiating table. president zelenskyy said, he is willing to talk, but he must see vladimir putin, face to face, in on the table. there are places that happening sooner rather than later, and then of course, the big issue, is what will be on the agenda. he was prepared to compromise

on what, and that looks very difficult. there appears to me to be a lot of speculation around the ways that this temple of this conflict might change. we had president biden, just say, raising the prospect of biological weapons being used. some suggest that the temple can change if we bear -- i do wonder, however, what do you make of military experience of the accusations that have come from zelenskyy and others? on the russians participating in acts of genocide? is that a tag, a title, a description that you find particularly useful? >> well, we talked about war crimes for the last month now. and that conversation has almost become a commonplace. it does indeed seem to be war crimes being committed on a daily basis. the question is, whether they will start to scratch their heads on i will point do these warcrimes become genocide.

and i think, mariupol, looks to me, increasingly like the incident in 1995. i could never suggest the same within the haze. they were indicted for war crimes. i also given the evidence for bosnia in their genocide. so, we are getting quite pushed to the accumulation of war crimes. they are adding up to a delivered policy of trying to remove and eradicate their people. this is an appalling prospect. but i think it's right that we are starting to look at that. and we are starting to consider that. language >> i wonder, just to step away from the discussion of ukraine and to focus on your role of national emergencies time, i am going to be speaking to brandon cox about the survivors charter. give us an idea of how the

survivors start of the new chair may be so significant. we understand, of course, that acts of tears cause mental anguish. but it's rather more than that. >> well, thank you for asking me that question. of course, we've got two organizations in this country that respond to disasters. the disasters i'm urgency committee which is doing a fantastic job and raising money for ukraine, previously, for afghanistan. and then at home, they respond to domestic responses. they say, the high chair, two years ago, just about now we launched our appeal. the british people raised 100 million pounds. that was distributed around the country to 15,000 charities in community groups. and of course, those groups are made up of people who were struggling in the early days of the pandemic. and it's important to get help to people who are struggling, who are survivors. so i think, when the course is right to come on the program and to jump in, we need the survivors charter. there's a lot of debate about

people who come through awful things, are they survivors, are they victims? in a sense that societies semantic that conversation. what it means, at the end of the day, when something awful happens, it is the focus on the individuals. and it's individuals that need help. the long tale of these tragedies is to reiterate a mental health pill. that is really an important area where we need to put more resources, more national resource, more government resorts, more charity resource when something awful has happened. immediately, help is given. we need implications of that. and the memories of all of that, my goodness, it will be happening in ukraine for decades to come. that memory continues. the mental health that is required with peoples mental health is really important. >> certainly. great to have you on the program, once again, thank you again. >> thank you. >> let's bring you a little bit

of breaking news. it relates to the, well, the kremlin critic, alexei navalny. poisoned already by the russian state, that didn't kill him. so they threw him in jail. and another victim of further offenses. court has decided that he is guilty of fraud on a large scale. russian prosecutors want to move alexei navalny to a maximum security penal colony. as i understand, because of this additional conviction, this means that in the eyes of the russian legal system, he is a defender that can be put into one of those prisons with, rather, harder conditions than the one that he is already. and the volley is already serving a two year sentence given to under some pretty speculative -- two and a half year sentence, i should, say for parole violations which were liberating. some pretty trump top charges

designed to sort his political ambitions. now, around 46 ukrainian orphans and their cares, on routes to the uk, where they currently? they've been left stranded in poland. their journey was organized by scottish charity, but missing paperwork from the ukrainian authorities has left them stuck in war. the children have come from orphanages in the demi pull region and they have been waiting for the past two weeks to fly to the uk. a toddler has died after being attacked by a dog. the family had owned him just for weeks. let's speak to our correspondent, we have had this story so many times, but it never fails to shock me. give us the details as far as we understand. >> yes, it's truly shocking and tragic story. the details are still emerging. what we know so far is the

total -- the girl was 17 months old and they had owned the dog for just one week. the incident happened yesterday afternoon in an address on beast earn avenue. emergency services attended. the title was taken to the hospital where she died from the injuries. we don't know much about the dog, the breeder, was but the police said it was destroyed and they are not going to do some forensic tests to establish what kind of breed it was or whether or not it was illegal breed under the dangerous dogs act. ivor, many thanks indeed. today marks five years since the westminster bridge attack. which six people died and at least 50 more were injured. and a new report, the survivors against terror group is calling on the government to do more to help survivors of such attacks. vaguely, the co-founder, joins us on the program. great to see this morning, just give us an idea of what the survivors charter is.

about what the necessities are. >> when we set up survivors against terror, a few years ago, i think our assumption was that when this terrible thing happened, when people were seriously injured, they would be looked after. these are high-profile attacks and you would expect the resources of the state to give support. what we found in a survey, about 300 members, was in fact that was not happening. there were too many people who were left on waiting list for mental health help. people who ended up contemplating suicide ended up committing self harm because they weren't getting the basic support they required. we also heard from people who could not afford the basics in life. people who had lost their loved ones. those who had been the breadwinner and could not afford to stay in their house. there were others who could not adapt to the houses, for example, had a wheelchair. that basic level of support was lacking.

so, what we are calling for, today, it's for the government to implement its promise and to consult on the survivors charter. that is a fancy word of saying, a set of guarantees, legal getting tees, on things like compensation, access to mental health support. so that when this attack on our state takes place, those people are properly looked at and. supported >> are there any other countries to which we can look to for inspiration and all of this? we've had our fair share of terror attacks in this country. so have others. >> yes, so what we did in order to inform. this back in 2019, the government, boris johnson, committed to consulting on a survivors charter. what we have done over the last couple of years is to work on analysis and looking at france, belgium, australia, israel, u.s. and canada, and looking to trying to understand what i think getting right that we aren't getting wrong. what are they getting right that we aren't getting room.

and what we found, out is that there are places like france in belgium where they just have a completely different and higher level of support. and that is partly because of the individual areas of support where they offer. but it's also that they have a different attitude. they see tear tax, not as an unfortunate act that happens to individuals like a car accident, which, the way we tend to see is in the uk. but, as an attack on the state that requires a response from the state. so, in france, for example the survivors are often treated as if they are our veterans. people who are unwilling veterans of a war under the state has a particular responsibility. so we think that there are real things that we can learn. and then that would both have an impact on the survivors themselves. but we will also send out an incredibly strong message in the face of terrorism that we would look after each other. >> brendan cox, we have to leave it, they're just about out of time. really appreciated, will keep your fingers crossed that the government listens.

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it is 8:00, good to see you this morning. we are waking up under curfew in the ukrainian capital of kyiv following a new warning about russia's possible intentions with chemical weapons. what will president putin do next? we ask the former head of the british army. stay tuned for that. plus after peter sacked hundreds of staff, we asked if they should reverse the decision.