more can be done to help president zelenskyy, who will address the assembly by video link. ukrainian officials say their forces continue to hold mariupol. the humanitarian crisis is spreading, though, to communities outside of kyiv. as vladimir putin's troops fight to inch closer to the capital and ukraine is putting forth enormous resistance. there are nine separate corridors to try to move out civilians. we continue to monitor the third day of judge ketanji brown jacksons 'senate hearing. jacob, you are at a field hospital near the border today.

tell us what you learned there. >> reporter: that's right, andrea. i just returned from israel's newly opened field hospital in western ukraine. it's about 12 miles from the border with poland, actually not that all the that far from where a couple russian missiles strikes on ukrainian military infrastructure have taken place over the course of the past week or so. you'll remember that president volodymyr zelenskyy address the the israeli can knesset, and asked for the iron dome. he also asked for israeli sanctions on russia. he didn't get either, but what he did get is a field hospital, which was quite extraordinary to see. they tell me both serving people from the local community there, but also some of the millions of internally displaced people making their way. they're looking at some footage from the field hospital earlier today, making ways from the cities that are under russian

bombardment, constant attack, on their way to poland. this is a full-fledged hospital. there's a trauma center there, a triage facility, ob/gyn. a young whom who fled with her son, these are the stories are here. not just here in lviv, but also at this israeli field hospital. it's not necessarily what the ukrainians necessarily wanted. israel has been trying to played more of a mediator role. but this is an extraordinary field hospital just getting started, just opened yesterday and will continue to operate here during the war. andrea? >> i even heard from a colleague at the israeli embass in washington there's an american doctor there, jacob. we'll be talking to me, i

believe, who volunteered to be at the field hospital and treat those who are fighting in ukraine, as well as refugees. >> reporter: if i could just say real quick, i met him briefly. his name is adam. he's a trauma surgeon. he's there in case of traumatic injuries if the war were to come to this part of the country. he lives in washington, d.c., he'll tell you more in the days to come. he is a trauma specialist just in case anyone needs him in the country. >> friends across the miles. thank you so much, jacob, for that report. joining us is general john allen, now president of the brookings institute, and ben rhodes, former security adviser to president obama. welcome both. general, to you first, what do you think of -- and then 'em

going to ask you about the siege of mariupol. >> the think which i think we have found to be so surprising in many respects is the inability of the russians to operate in a coherent way as a strategic, operational and tactical levels. from the very beginning, they came in too late, they got off schedule very quickly. their expectation, i think was that they would quickly sweep aside the ukrainian military, that the population would not resist and that the government would fall. all of those strategic assumptions were proven to be wrong. they came in late, and then we discovered the capacity of the russians to fight was also limited. their strategic planning, operational execution, their tactical skills, et cetera, were found to be wanting across all boards. what that meant is the ukrainian resistance, the organized

resistance of the military and local resistance of the territorial elements that have been formed, were far more effective than the russians would ever have imagined. now we're seeing it play out. they're off schedule, they're stuck, probably in some form of a stalemate, but they're under attack by the ukrainians constantly, and losing ground in some places. this is not going well for vladimir putin's military, and this vaunted modernized military is now bagged down in a major fight, and it is not winning. >> of course, the down side of that for the people in ukraine, he's try to go grind them into submission by bombing their cities like mariupol into smithereens. >> that is correct. at some point we have to decide -- we have used the term war crimes, crimes against humanity. from vladimir putin's own mouth, he's talked about the end of

ukraine as a political entity. so we're going to have to decide at what point we transition from using terms like war crimes and crimes against humanity to the elimination of an entire country. that transitions i think very clearly to the use of the term genocide. thousands of ukrainians have been killed. millions of ukrainians have been put to foot and are refugees. cities have been levels entirely. it is vladimir putin's publicly stated intention that ukraine ultimately cease to exist. it becomes part of russia, in essence, if it continues to resist. that resistance is something the ukrainians will continue to do. they are a remarkable people, standing up against theorically one of the most sophisticated militaries on the planet, yell they're resisten. they bogged this military down and the political leadership by

president zelenskyy has exhibited epic courage and he heroism. it's not clear that the russians will get the upper hand in this. >> and ben rhodes, let's talk about chemical weapons. you had to deal with that in the obama administration with syria's help, the use of those awful weapons. and the president said he thinking the threat is increasing, that there is a real threat, increasing threat, apparently of chemical weapons. what should the u.s. and nato do? >> well, first of all, i think it speaks to what general allen was saying very well, putin is bodled in a dangerous way, but a putin who cannot achieve his political objectives in ukraine militarily could be dangerous in other ways. he could lash out in the ways we

have seen in mariupol, but also with the use of chemical weapons as a kind of desperate measure. so i think this has got to be a key topic of discussion at this nato summit. they'll be talking about reinforcing the eastern flank, coordinated sanctions, talking about continued arms in ukraine, the elements that they have put in place. but the question becomes what kind of response is nato prepared to take if there is use of chemical weapons. is it further support, or what might trigger direct nato involvement in? i i they they all need to be careful about getting on the same page, and again what might instigate a increase of action by nato.

those circumstances are going to have to be discussed in brussels here. >> do you think that nato would ever consider that those would be triggers, where they would have to actually move -- nato secretary-general told me today his main responsibility is to protect. when i asked about chemicals, his responsibility is to focus on preventing this from becoming a conflict, a wider war between russia and nato. >> well, they have drawn this very clear line, which i think is appropriate, between nato territory where there is an obligation to defend, and ukrainian territory where we're providing other support. the questions that begin to emerge, are there decisional consequences that can be imposed on russia? both in terms of the kinds of escalatory weapons we provided, the kinds of sanctions we imposed on russia, but also when

do you start looking at the need to create certain humanitarian corridors inside ukraine, and does either have a role there? i understand why they've been reticent to go down that road. once you enter, you're going into -- but i think they have to game out the potential scenarios, and can we ploy a safe haven to the ukrainians? this is the very careful line that they have to walk. there are other things that could be contemplated. cyberoperations, there's the type of intelligence support that we provided the ukrainian military. there is a menu of options available to the united states and our nato partners, as we consider what russia might do in escalation, i think what this speaks to is, this is the largest scale war we have seen in the european consequence inept since world war ii, and we don't know where it will lead. thus far, the trajectory has been one of the escalation, and

that's what they're going to be aiming to manage. how do you escalate in a way that imposes a cost to russia, but tries to avoid that direct military contact. that gets harder with each passing week here as the situation escalates. >> general allen, is there an option of kicking russia out of g-20, or would india and -- object to that? >> i think it should be contemplated. i don't know where india or china are today on this issue. with respect to the joint statement issued by the chinese and russians, which talked about a friendship that knows no limit and where nothing is forbidden, my guess is that xi jinping and in beijing, they never would have contemplated they would be one end of an axis with russia

at the other end, stuck in this incredible fight, this humanitarian catastrophe, they aggressive war again a free, democratic society. we'll see where the chinese come down on this matter. i would think they would be reluctant since they oy posed sanctions. i think they would be reluctant to kick russia out of g20. i think india is a different matter. i think india has found this war to be horrific and has used the language and rhetoric that reflects their feeling in that regard, but i think it's premature for us to believe they'll take any particular action, but as the war continues, as the ukraine yanks continue to be slaughtered, as ukrainian cities continue to be leveled, as a humanitarian crisis continues to spill over into it is nato region, these

positions that countries have taken around the world, we see are evolving. we'll see how the chinese oinvolve in their thinking about their being directly associated through the 4 february manifesto, for all intents and purposes, to view this, as well as india. general allen, thank you very much. ben rhodes, as always, thank you. refugee resettlement, what they are hoping will come out of president biden's trip. as america prepares to welcome some of the most vulnerable. the acting ambassador to ukraine joins me next. ambassador to uke joins me next.

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talk to me about how this plan would work. the u.s. is being criticized by some, for in general not permitting refugees in, not being picking up on asylums, and how they handled afghanistan. >> thank for you the warm welcome back. this is a biden administration under pressure, because they are so far beround their 125,000 target mark for the year to try to bring in refugees. so far in the first five months fewer than 7,000. now with the escalating crisis in ukraine, as well as thousands of ukrainians building up on the southern border, the biden administration is prepared to announce as early as this week,

the plan for vulnerable ukrainians to be brought to the united states in an expeditious manner. it's unclear what authority they will use, humanitarian parole similar to what they gave after ganz last year, but some resettlement agencies say it's not enough, keeping people in limbo, unable to get permanent legal status, and they say these people deserve more than that. >> julie ainsley, thank you. and, again, congratulation on your new baby and good to see you again. president biden is expected to discuss more than 3.5 ref jeers left ukraine and almost two thirds of them poured into poland. kristina has been running ukraine's u.s. embassy from poland after it was relocated

from kyiv, lviv, and now lviv to poland. thank you so much for what you and your colleagues are doing so heroically for the people in ukraine. you and your staff working on this, so what does it look like from the ground? what are you trying to deal with from there? >> well, we are located not too far from the border here in poland. i travel to the border frequently. my folks that do refugees, migration and assistance are there almost every day. you have to say the poles have done a very good job. they're taken in all ukrainian nationals that come to the border and doing their best to quickly move them into more permanent locations where they can stay and take care of themselves. they've avoided any sort of big

camps. they're moving people in and taking care of them throughout poland. many europeans have been generous to open their homes, to invite refugees in. so far poles and all europeans in the european union have done a good job. >> and the white house is planning, according to my colleague julie ainsley, to try to prioritize actists is the is system prepared? service so decimated, as we know, under the former president trump, and was able to cope barely with the afghan refugees. is it prepared to put out the welcome matt, as europe has done

so incredibly? >> the administration is looking at all various ways they can bring in more refugees. meanwhile, in europe, as i said, the refugees are being well cared for. many of them don't want to leave the vicinity of ukraine, because they have family members, particularly male family members, who stay in ukraine there. so some ukrainians really want to go back to ukraine. they want to stay as close as possible, so they can be reunitewood their family members. those who wish to go to the united states, we're looking at all ways to bring them in quickly. >> what do you think the biggest need is? what can u.s. citizens do to better help these refugees, people in poland, hungary and other places? >> what we've been doing here on the ground in poland is trying to help the u.n. agencies, the

international red cross, and others, get set up, ready to bring in medical supplies, food supplies, bask supplies for people who have moved internally, to take care of folks who have been displaced. a large number of people have left, but twice that many have stayed in ukraine and internally displaced, mostly to the west. so trying to help those internally displaced, and helping those in cities under siege by the russians. those are the things that the u.n. agency and other international oralization are prioritizing. usaid also has their own parameters and other countries have bilateral programs. we're all working together here in poland, trying to make sure that everything is organized, that it gets in as quickly as possible and able to be distributed to the east and south of ukraine where it is

most needed. >> since you're responsible, of course, to helping to for sill at a time that flow into ukraine, how is the supply chain working? we don't want to talk about specific areas, but how is it going in terms of getting the aid to the people who need it? >> i think it's going well. i would say that the chains of security assistance are going extremely well. everything that is provide ukraine is getting there quickly and efficiently. the humanitarian assistance is also going well, but i would say it's flowing more slowly, because, obviously, unfortunately, russia does not allow humanitarian convoys into the worst affected cities. mariupol, for instance, thieve trying to get assistance, and russia will not them them pass the russian line to go in and help the people who need it.

in kharkiv as well. there's humanitarian assist pans able to go in, but the russians won't let them in. they're creating the worst humanitarian disaster, first by bombing, and then not letting in the humanitarian assistance that millions need. >> thank you for putting that message out as well. maybe the pressure will be increased at the summit at nato tomorrow, to try to do something about that as well. thank you very much. the charge deaffairs in poland. we are live in brussels. this is msnbc. brussels. this i s msnbc. there's my lit phew. he looks more like dad every time i see him. -dad is old. -right. so, your message said you wanted to talk about insurance? i said, "i want you to talk about insurance."

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parker, and domici, thank you also. let me ask, if russia were to do, is an increasing threat, the threat of chemical weapons being used. wouldn't the pressure be enormous? secondly, a bit of the strategy they shared before, was to share intelligence, so when you look at this tomorrow it's both symbolic and substantive. subtantively, these broadband the things the allies are hashing out, and symbolically to

have the president here, to shore them up, keep them unified, which has been one of the success stories of this conflict and his presidency, and then heading to poland is also tremendously symbolic. dimitri, we're talking about vladimir putin, because he's nobody been able to advance into ukraine look we thought he would. they have held him at bay, but mariupol and other places are being hammered. will he use chemical weapons? he has before. >> he has used them in syria, but i don't know that in ukraine it accomplishes anything. it's hard to spin it using a chemical weapon or nuclear weapons to the russian population, when you're talking about liberating ukraine from supposed nazis, and then you

bomb them with weapons of mass destruction. now, if he trying to blame the ukrainians for releasing biological attacks, maybe he'll use the pretext, but it will be a tough call, tip larry since he's been called out on this by the white house. >>aciously, as you know, president biden was vice president when russia took crimea, and the obama white house has been criticized for not doing before. >> it's a fascinating window into what he's going to do now. back then, he was number two, but he and a number of people who are still with him, were much more hawkish. biden himself pushed. he was the point person on ukraine. he pushed to send javelins and lethal assistance. obama decided against it, it was

too escalatory now you are seeing him have sent 5,000 javelins with a very personal relationships and for him the political is personal. it helps explain how much he cares about this issue right now. >> and this completely different mindset, of course, is as the ukrainians are showing such incredible valor, extraordinary strength in their response. dimitt rick, in contrast earlier, you did a translation for a call. we talked with gen petraeus about how much of these are conscripts. this has been not been independently confirmed, but you tweeted, it paints such a bleak picture of the state of russian troops, because some of these examples were saying that this is worse than chechnya, 50% of the troops have frostbite. they could evacuate the dead. they don't have enough tents,

and a russian plane dropped a bomb on their own position. how much move of this -- >> this audio was released from the ukrainian forces, but it certainly aligns with the problems of the logistics. imagine frostbite, you don't have hot food, you have friendly fire incidents. there is an incredible moment where a soldier asked about general body armor, and the general said, son, be strong. these will not elevate the morale. the general apparently told them in four days, the war would be done in hours, but we're nearly a month in and there's no end in sight. >> an experienced journalist posted that earlier this month,

president zelenskyy actually asked russian oligarch not be sanctioned in order for him to be -- potentially mediator, so that the u.s. treasury had drafted sanctions against him, but then backed off, as did the you can. does that add up? does that make sense to you? >> it does. having talked to white house officials, they were kind of making fun of abram ovich. he has properties and businesses in israel, so he was trying to be the go-between, between those two countries, but they were obviously trying to accommodate zelenskyy and not go against his wishes, but they didn't have much faith that he would create a peace deal here. >> the white house was warning businesses in the u.s. to harden

defenses against a russian attack. dimitri, are you surprised there hasn't been a cyberattack? >> i was a little surprised. i was expecting a cyberresponse in retaliation for sanctions, though it makes sense. they got very bogged down in ukraine, the situation was very precarious for them, and it would make sense they would try to sort that out first before focusing their tones on the west. now may be the right time for them to do so in their thinking, because things are grinding to a stalemate. they understand the red lines for nato and america, and now they can focus on retailating for these brutal sanctions that have been imposed on the russian economy. i think we're about to enter the really dangerous time. how we respond to the cyberattacks, and we obviously have to respond timely, it will be critical so it doesn't escalate into a kinetic conflict which no one wants.

>> ashley, the white house has been warning that the private sector has got to get its act together and protect itself. >> that's right. they brought it out in the briefs, that's sort of speaking to the entire country how much she thinking the private sector needs to harden their cyber-systems. one thing that came up at nato is how does article v apply or not apply to cyberattack. jake sullivan said it doesn't necessarily apply. it will just be another way in which putin will challenge nato. >> if it is article v, it's an act of war. >> correct. >> by definition. ashley, thank you so much. after a long flight, and as

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the streets of krakow, you realize how much this city and country has changed. i can't tell you how much it has struck me that this is really a grass-roots bottom-up effort to help refugees. you hear stories of people putting their lives on hold to help those who have left their lives behind. the government is doing a lot. nonprofits are doing a lot, but it's really everyday people who are part of this effort to get refugees everything from housing to food to mental and emotional support. luke. now that some of the refugees themselves having here for a few weeks, they took are stepping up to help other folks. we recently met a special woman, mariana. she her self-fled. she came here and immediately started to help out.

she was volunteering at a soup for ukrainians organization. we spend time with her in krakow, where foreare arriving at the border. she's still thinking about all the people back in ukraine. take a listen to some of our conversation. how would you describe how you're feeling right now? >> translator: it's difficult. because it's your homeland. what's most difficult is peaceful people are dying. it's very cruel, because they are killing a peaceful people. people are going to get -- took

our water, and they are shooting these people. >> reporter: so, andrea, you have these ad hoc efforts from everyday people, but the systems are starting to improve. there's free transit now on the trains throughout poland. schools are accepting ukrainian children. they're starting to build out these systems, because this is going to be a long, long haul for folks here, andrea. >> indeed, dasha, thank you so much. joining us is maine's senator angus king, who just returned from a bipartisan congressional trip to poland. tell us, from your experience, your visit, what should we be doing in the united states to help in this crisis? >> well, i think we're already doing a great deal. we visited a refugee center similar to the one you just

discussed over the weekend, and met with refugees coming in from ukraine. it's amazing what's being done there by the poles. they deserve enormous appreciation from the rest of the world. people are fanning out across europe. the way i would characterize it, if i had to summarize our trip in one sentence, it would be europe is united, ukraine is determined. we met with ukrainians who had been under fire and learned about the experience that they're undertaking, met as you saw, in those shots with our military to see the training that's going on, the materials that are being supplied. so we're helping out to a very large degree, as are all of the ukraine's neighbors in europe. what's happened in germany, they totally turned their policy

upsidedown in terms of providing support, increasing their defense budget. so it's inspiring and sobering at the same time to visit there in the midst of this crisis. and europe has waived visa policies, and welcome in thousands and thousands. doesn't america need to do the same thing? we are told they are making accommodations for activists -- that's not enough, is it? >> no. i think we should make the same kind of accommodations and welcome these people, at least for temporary residency status just as the europeans have. that's very important. andrea, the crisis is worse than it first appears. we always here the number 3 to

3.5 million refugees coming into poland. there are 6.5 million internal refugees in ukraine. so that's 10 million people displaced out of a total population of about 40 million. so one fourth of the ukrainian population is now in refugee status. to do the math in american that would be 80 million people out of their homes. you can imagine what that means. the reception they're getting is amazing, and i think america has to do the same thing. >> would you waive the covid restrictions? >> no. i think we have to be careful about health. i think that's a -- that's -- providing a covid test and screening is not an elaborate process. i think that's only prudent. beyond that, i think we should try to waive as much red tape as possible.

>> i also want to ask about what you might still face ukrainians, because putin is cornered. he hasn't conquered kyiv. he hasn't done what he planned to do. could he use chemicals? >> there's an old saying, andrea, that if someone shows you who they are, you should believe them. unfortunately we have two very clear precedents about who vladimir putin is. one is chechnya. the other is in syria, where he enabled the bombing of syrian civilians. i'm afraid the next step, now that his army seems to be stalemated and now the ukrainians are making advances, his next step will be a brutal air attack on various city.

mariupol, kharkiv, even kyiv. that's his mod us operandi. so we're going to have some tough decisions to make if he raises the stakes. of course, in the back of all of this is the possibility of a resort to nuclear weapons, which is part of, unfortunately, part of russian doctrine. they don't use nuclear weapons the way we do, as qualitatively different. they just view them as part of their arsenals. they're talking about using tactical nuclear weapons if they're stalemated on the battlefield. that's close to where we are. vladimir putin today, andrea is the most dangerous single individual in history. he's aggressive. he's bloodthirsty, he seems to be amoral and he has nuclear weapons. we're at a very critical moment over the next week or so with

what direction he goes. will he double down? or will he look for an off-ramp. i deeply hope it's the latter, and the valiant fight of the ukrainians will force him, i hope, that he's made a tragic mistake and find a way to get out and save face. >> thank you very much, an ominous threat, for sure. thank you. >> thank you. and back to washington, judge ketanji brown jackson faces another day of questions. this is a special edition of

we'll have more from andrea in just a moment, but first on capitol hill it has been an intense nearly five hours of questioning particularly in the past hour or so when judge ketanji brown jackson was repeatedly interrupted as she tried to answer questions from senator lindsay graham that attacked her record on sentencing particularly in cases of child pornography. >> the point of judging and the guidelines is to look at what has happened in a case, compare defendants to each other in terms of what they have done and give proportional penalties -- >> mr. chairman, she has said, mr. chairman, she does not use sentence enhancements in the area of using the computer for everybody. >> can i explain why, sir? >> i will give the witness an

opportunity to respond to you, senator. >> finally. >> on the internet with one click you can receive, you can distributed tens of thousands. you can be doing this for 15 minutes and all of a sudden you are looking at 30, 40, 50 years in prison -- >> good. good. absolutely good. i hope you are. good. >> allow her to finish, please. >> i hope you go to jail for 50 years. >> all of that happened after graham's time was up and made senator leahy, who has seen such 20 confirmation hearings leave the room and say this to reporters. >> he wouldn't let her answer and kept interrupting her, and i could not help but think is this aimed for this hearing or a political campaign. i am just distressed to see this kind of a complete breakdown

than normally the way the senate is handled. >> senator ted cruz up next for questioning when the hearing continues. >> msnbc will provide the entirety of the hearing streamed on msnbc.com. scan the qr code on your team to smart the live stream on your smart devices. that does it for this edition of "andrea reports" live from brussels. our coverage of president biden's trip continues from here in brussels. remember to follow us online at facebook and twitter. my colleague, kristin welker, puts up coverage here in brussels after a short break.

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tkpwp good tkpwp good . good day and welcome, i am kristen welker in for katy tur. president biden will travel to poland, and it's a critical moment on the world stage for a president now at the center of the worst conflict in europe since world war ii. during the trip the president may also announce plans for a

new and more permanent presence of u.s. troops in nato countries, in eastern europe. according to sources familiar with the discussions, an administration official said there is no final decision yet. and president zelenskyy said peace negotiations are moving forward step by step and russian forces continue to attack ukraine's capital, and rockets have caused extensive damage and it's believed several people died in that attack. richard engel remains in kyiv where they are monitoring the movement of russian forces as well as the counter attacks in ukraine's defense. >> this is kyiv here in the center. these russian areas, the red areas are all russian-controlled territory. you see just to the north of kyiv, there's a big russian area, and to the northeast