of u.s. troops in nato countries, in eastern europe. according to sources familiar with the discussions, an administration official said there is no final decision yet. and president zelenskyy said peace negotiations are moving forward step by step and russian forces continue to attack ukraine's capital, and rockets have caused extensive damage and it's believed several people died in that attack. richard engel remains in kyiv where they are monitoring the movement of russian forces as well as the counter attacks in ukraine's defense. >> this is kyiv here in the center. these russian areas, the red areas are all russian-controlled territory. you see just to the north of kyiv, there's a big russian area, and to the northeast

there's another russian area, but what is interesting about this map is all of these blue spots, and there's quite a few of them. there are areas captured by ukrainian forces, recaptured from russian territory or from russian troops just over the last 48 hours with many of them particularly here in this sector over the last 24 hours. this, they say, is the biggest counter offensive they have seen since the star of the war, the most blue they have ever had on the map and are finding it encouraging. >> remarkable to hear that. and russian troops claim to have kyiv surrounded with a military convoy. and thousands have evacuated the besieged city of mariupol, and

meanwhile little to no aid is getting to the thousands still trapped and joining me now to discuss all of this, nbc's chief correspondent, richard engel, and josh letterman along with kelly o'donnell. thank you for starting us off. richard, i want to start with you. what more were you able to learn about that news i just talked about, the fact that officers and defense officials that you just mapped out all of the different battle positions, what were you able to learn from them? >> reporter: we were at city hall, and we spoke to two of the officials responsible for protecting kyiv, and they were encouraged by what they have been seeing. and over the course of the next minute or so while we're speaking, you may hear explosions in the background.

most of it is outgoing fire. most of it is heading towards the north of the city, and these are the sounds of ukrainian troops taking back territory from russia. one month into its invasion, and an invasion of u.s. and russian officials thought it would be far easier than it is for russia and it would be a quick walk over of the ukrainian army and it has turned into a fiasco, and ukrainian forces are not defending the capital but are pushing russian forces back away from the capital. these officials told me that they do not believe that kyiv is now going to be surrounded. they don't think that russia has enough force to do it. they think in the area where russia is concentrated heavily, the russian troops are struggling to hold on to what they already have. here in the capital, these

officials were sounding more confident than security officials were in the city just a few days ago. that's here. it is not universally like that across the country. you mentioned the country of kharkiv, and kharkiv has russian troops on one side of it and they are continuing to attack the center of kharkiv, but even a month into this operation, and kharkiv is half the size of kyiv, and russian forces have not been able to take that city. further south, however, in mariupol, a very dire situation. if you look at what is happening here in kyiv with local forces pushing back, reducing the pockets held by russian forces, not at all comparable in mariupol. they are completely surrounded. russian forces hold and hold solidly all of the areas around mariupol, and according to ukrainian officials, about

100,000 people remain in the city. that's about a quarter of the population pre-war, and the people in there don't have food, water, electricity, internet and we don't even know the death toll, but clearly -- well, it's measured at least in the thousands according to local officials. >> it's horrifying to think about what they have been through for weeks now in mariupol. richard, it's striking to hear you say the officials you have been speaking with in kyiv think it's possible russia will not take that city. what are they saying to you about what optimism they may or may not be feeling right now? >> reporter: there is tremendous optimism. people are out on the streets today at the end of curfew, and there has been a curfew in place for the last 35 hours and it was

lifted at sunrise this morning, and there are lots of people on the street. if you did not hear the explosions in the distance and listen to the assault rifles and machine guns working, you would not know there's war in the city. obviously things are closed and there's no functioning schools and civil society, but people were out and walking their dogs and out with their families, and a lot of families left but those families who were here were out and enjoying a sunny day and the weather is starting to break here. there were calm looks on their faces. this is not a city in panic. they are listening to these explosions on the out skirts of the city, and they know what it is and are proud, and they know they are pushing russian forces back away from the city. this is a city right now finding itself and its strength at this very difficult moment, and actually some people are starting to return here. some families who left here and went to lviv or even went to

poland have decided they want to come back and defend their homes and they feel they left prematurely or left in a panic and they are coming back to see what happened to their homes and help out however they can. >> richard engel, thank you for being there and reporting every moment of the war as it unfolded. continued safe passage to you. kelly, i want to turn to you and speak about this moment in brussels. the president facing some of the largest pressure he's faced since becoming president to get help out of the emergency summit. >> sometimes it takes years to put together some of the outcomes they are looking for here, and usually months to have leaders come together in this setting, and to be physically here in europe where they are not that far from the conflict

and all of that will lend itself to the importance of the meetings, and for the president to look eye to eye to the other leaders and say what more can we extract from russia? expanding sanctions, and looking at ways to deny russia its participation in global associations that are important for the identity of russia, things that are being discussed like the g20 -- the way the world organizes itself, if you deny russia that, that has a consequence to vladimir putin, and then humanitarian aid, the urgent needs. examining some of the serious costs and concerns about what happens if a more desperate and concerned vladimir putin does things that cross even more lines in terms of warfare, the rules of warfare, talking about chemical weapons and those kinds of things, and then how would the european community and nato

community and world respond to that, and those are things that need definitions beyond the agreements that currently exist. >> you are right. i think the question of what would happen if there were to be a chemical attack should be front and center as well tomorrow during the emergency meeting. josh, you heard richard talk about what is happening in kyiv, and it's remarkable that you have officials in kyiv saying they don't think russian troops will get this. >> yeah, there's conversation about the fatalities russian forces suffered and it's all over the map, and nato estimates russia has lost between 7,000 and 15,000 of its soldiers that died so far. if you add in the numbers injured and have gone missing or

have potentially been captured by the ukrainians, that number is between 30,000 and 40,000, which obviously is an immense toll for the russians. >> this conversation sets the scene as the state department briefing is starting as we are having this discussion, and they are set to declare russia has committed war crimes to make that formal announcement. let's listen in. >> we are also supporting the ukrainian prosecutor general's office, and supporting civil society documentation efforts. i want to reiterate our solidarity for the people of ukraine, and we are pursuing full accountability for the war crimes in ukraine, and as the secretary said, those who are responsible for such abuses must be held accountable. with that i would welcome questions. >> thank you, ambassador. welcome. congratulations -- >> thank you. >> -- on your confirmation.

i am curiousn terms of the information you say you have collected and are going to share with partners, allies, international institutions, where exactly do you think the accountability here is going to come from? it does not appear likely or, in fact, it's impossible, basically, that any kind of u.n.-mandated or u.n.-approved court will take this up considering its got to go through the security council and russia will veto it. where exactly are you expecting the accountability to come from? >> we are seeking all the options available to us, including domestic courts. we have the courts in ukraine itself as the territorial state, and we have funding from the office of global criminal justice is supporting efforts to build capacity within that office and help them do the cases ultimately if and when

they have custody over particular perpetrators. in addition third states within the region that may gain custody over perpetrators or may be able to do in abstencia trials. there are options for accountability even absent a dedicated tribunal, as you mentioned. >> michelle? >> the previous administration even had sanctions against theicc. are you cooperating with the new prosecutor of the i.c.c. >> i think everything is on the table, and there have been no specific asks. i do understand the prosecutor has been meeting with the assemblies of states parties which are members of the court and they have specific asks for those that have duties towards the court, and as a nonstate party member we are not a member

of the court and we don't have any affirmative cooperation duties. >> thank you, ambassador. [ inaudible ] would be what changes and how can this potentially help the ukrainian people if at all. thank you. >> i think it's incredibly important to shed a light on what is happening in ukraine so the people of ukraine understands the world knows what they are suffering and it is important to document what is happening on the ground, to preserve that information as potential evidence for future accountability purposes. we don't want to lose that evidence and don't want that evidence to be tampered with, so it's extremely important that it be collected and preserved with an eye towards future accountability. >> there was a list of a number

of incidents, but it was not specific to what the war crimes allegations are, so what specific instances are you looking at? >> i can't get into those specific instances but know we are looking into the broad activities the russian forces are engaged, and we don't have to make a public announcement every time there's an incident. this will be an ongoing investigation. >> there was a direct attack on a civilian object. >> just to pry into that a little more. in terms of the secretary as saying these appear to be -- it appears to be deliberate targeting of civilians. is there anything you can say about evidence you have gathered or evidence you have seen that -- aside from, you know,

the bomb fell on the theater that had the word children written outside of it, and i guess in a court of law, what would -- is there evidence that you have seen that would sort of prove that level of intent, the targeting of civilians? >> the law would look at if there's intelligence and insiders and et cetera. i can't discuss what we have been looking at and a lot of that has come from intelligent sources, and the fact that this was clearly marked with the word children, it's an essential -- for those reasons it appears to have directly targeted. >> there are things that you can't sort of tell us now because it's intelligence but it will be submitted for -- potentially for court in the

future? >> first of all, can you, again to, vivian's point to explain for the general public how this works. how is responsibility determined in war crimes cases given that there's a military chain of command, and who is held responsible, the person that pulls the trigger or the commander-in-chief? could you shed light on that. will this announcement affect sanctions or travel bans in any way, and you mentioned the domestic courts being a venue for pursuing these allegations. does that mean the biden administration is considering filing charges in a domestic court currently? thank you. >> so question number two, i will say i can't preview any sanctions determinations. that's all i can say for that. question number one was -- >> how do you determine responsibility within the

military chain -- >> yes, and as you mentioned there's a chain of command, and we could hold those responsible, and the doctrine of superior responsibilities allowed commanders to be held responsible for acts done by the subordinates, and all of those criminal law tools could be used by any court able to seize jurisdiction in this case. >> and then domestic -- >> yes, and the u.s. war crimes act may be of limited utility in this context, and it's limited to perpetrators who are u.s. citizens or victims who are u.s. citizens, and i know there are a number of proposals now floating

around congress and congress is seized of the accountability here, and i imagine those proposals would be looked at to see if there is discreet fixes -- >> you have been listening to the briefing right now, and they have officials said the u.s. assesses russia has committed war crimes in ukraine. this is an official assessment by the u.s. government, so this is a major shift. she was pressed on what accountability might look like. she said there are options for accountability. she said evidence is still being collected and preserved. she called it an ongoing process. this is a significant development, and i want to bring back kelly o'donnell and josh letterman. president biden was asked about this several days ago, is vladimir putin a war criminal

and he said, yes, i believe hes and this makes it official. >> at that time the white house was clear to point out the president was speaking personally and echoing what many of us around the world have been watching and that feeling we have in seeing the lives lost, the tragedy and our personal assessment that this has gone beyond the rules of war, and now they are saying an official assessment based on intelligence and analysis of things like the demarcation of children as a nonmilitary asset, that that was a clear violation of war as one of the elements they are looking at, and much like they would see like an every day criminal court in the united states, there are rules that apply and evidence gathered and then an assessment is made, and it's not just an opinion, it follows that and similarly even on this grand stage here, that's what at play here. and it's sending a message, a

message that may get through in russia and may have some impact on the people of russia who may be able to use that information and how they respond to their own government. it may affect the people of ukraine and their will to keep fighting. it may affect world leaders in how they assess things and it may be another one of the many planks we have seen in all different kinds of responses, from aid to sanctions and now this piece that could have criminal or court-like repercussions to say this is not just a military action. >> to follow-up on kelly's point there, josh, the question of accountability, it was one of the first questions that got asked to the ambassador at large there, and she said there are actions for accountability, but give us a fact check here, when you are punishing somebody like vladimir putin, how tough would it be for the global community

to prosecute him? >> symbolically, this is very important, and there's not that many people the u.s. government has accused of being a criminal. russia is not a member by the international court, and neither is ukraine or the u.s. there's an exception, which is the u.n. security council can refer a country to the icc for the crime of aggression. remember, russia has a veto at the u.n. security council so that seems unlikely to happen as well. and then there's the question of who would happened over vladimir putin to sit for a trial, and that seems entirely unlikely, and these are the challenges the u.s. and its allies will have to get this kind of justice and accountability for vladimir putin. >> thank you so much for being

here. of course we will be together all week long as we cover the historic events, and this announcement so significant coming on the eve of this historic nato summit tomorrow. thank you both for being here. as president biden and fellow nato leaders work to end the war in ukraine, tomorrow's summit will work on preventing the conflict from spreading into baltic members, which are already nato members. i spoke earlier today with the president of lithuania. >> what specifically would you like to see come out of this emergency summit to address the specific security concerns of lithuania? >> first of all i would like to pay attention to the military help of ukraine, and so far they have acted swiftly and firmly by providing all necessary military

aassistance, and we have to stay on this path. regarding lithuania, i am not concerned only about my country. i am concerned about the security of the whole region. we have to talk about the eastern flank of nato. yes, we can say that in this area there have been some decisions already taken, and i have to look at what i expect that probably in the nato summit, especially in june it will get very clear and material signals about deployment of nato troops in lithuania. >> as you talk about the military and troop presence in the region, i want to ask you about some of our latest reporting, which is president biden may announce a permanent increase in nato troops in the

nato region in countries like yours. is that something that you would support? are you hearing anything about how realistic that is and if the president is going to move in that direction? >> i think this is very timely announcement and timely decision. i think the transatlantic bond is especially important, and lithuania was among the countries that support that transatlantic bond in the european union very much. this is the reason why we highly welcome this decision to deploy additional united states troops here in the region. and as a host nation, as a host country we are ready to provide all necessary conditions,infrastructure and we spend money on this. we increase our deficit, our spending on defense up to 2.5%

of our gdp. we are ready to provide all necessary assistance to the troops coming to lithuania. >> upon his departure to travel here for brussels for the emergency nato summit, president biden called the possibility that president putin could call chemical weapons, quote, a real threat. should it be a red line if vladimir putin uses chemical weapons? >> absolutely. i think he already crossed the red line several times, but this red line is absolutely evident. we have to act decisively if it would happen. >> what specifically could happen -- mr. president, what specifically should happen? what actions should the u.s. and its nato allies and partners take if president putin does use chemical weapons? >> we have to talk about full

isolation of russia from the rest of the world. still we have some room for something left, and we have to take other restrictive measures if it happens. the hope is that president putin will consider this possibility and probably will step out from this decision. >> just very quickly, yes or no, mr. president, do you think it's possible to reach a peace agreement with president putin still in power? >> i think it depends on the scenario of this war, and so far we see that ukrainian nation is fighting bravely, defending each inch of its land, defending people and its cities and i think they are successful in doing this. so if this war will be

prolonged, and russian resources will be used, the more painful sanctions will be, and the more consequences on the economy we will see. we will achieve better conditions, a better environment to find the compromise and find the solution. >> thank you so much for joining us on a critical week. be well. >> thank you. still ahead, inside mariupol, a city that has seen some of the worst destruction. thousands are still trapped without access to food and basic supplies. plus, nbc's courtney kube is exclusively embedded with nato's cold response team and she will join me later from norway. and then we will go to the confirmation hearings for judge ketanji brown jackson.

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this is an nbc news special report. >> good afternoon. we are coming on the air with breaking news. nbc news can confirm the death of former secretary of state, madeline albrecht. my colleague, andrea mitchell, joins me here in brussels with more on her life and legacy. >> it's extraordinary. the first woman to serve as u.s. secretary of state. madeline albrecht, a friend, somebody i covered for decades has died. she was 84 years old. she came to america as a child in 1948 from czechoslovakia, and she served at the national security council and president

clinton nominated her to be the ambassador to the u.n. and then secretary of state. she was awarded the presidential medal of freedom. let's take a look back at her remarkable life. by the time madeline albrecht became secretary of state, she raised a family and had a full career, but this second act of becoming the country's first female secretary of state in 1977 was historic. >> this is a dream come true. >> working to shape several moment in history. born the daughter of a czech dip -- diplomat. she graduated from wellesley and advised presidential candidate, michael ducacus.

she was president of a washington think tank before being named bill clinton's u.n. ambassador in 1993. as ambassador she argued in favor of the intervention in bosnia, butting heads with colin powell. after spending her life as a christian, her grandparents were jewish and victims of the holocaust, and she pushed for the peace. as secretary of state she was most proud of her work in cause asroe. >> i have not found that being a woman is a handicap. in fact, i have found it a

terrific gender to be. >> her passion for pins became part of her diplomatic arsenal. after leaving the state department, albrecht continued to promote democracy. she deployed her personal motto as a rallying cry. >> there's a special place in hell for women that do not support each other. >> i do not call trump a fascist, but he's the least democratic president in history. >> awarded a presidential freedom medal in 2012. she considered herself first and foremost a grateful american. the family of madeline albrecht said they are heartbroken to

announce her death. she's the first woman to hold that position, and the cause they say was cancer. she was surrounded by family and friends. they say they lost a loving mother, grandmother, sister, aunt and friend. >> andrea, people around the world will be heartbroken to learn this news. here we are in brussels ahead of the emergency nato summit that will take place tomorrow against the backdrop of the war in ukraine. she attended the nato summit more than ten times and she wrote an op-ed about the war in ukraine the day before it began. >> she did. she recalled the first time she met vladimir putin, and she wrote in her diary, her eyes were cold and almost reptilen. she escaped, of course, from the communist -- the communist

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growing worse by the day. joining me is a member of mariupol city council. thank you for joining me. i want to start with the news that we just talked about, what more can you tell us about the aid workers and the convoy the russians seized? >> every day the news is not going better, and this news as i know the situation is not in mariupol but in the little city, a little village near mariupol. for now we don't know exactly what the situation is there, with the workers or citizens, it's not military men, for sure. for now the situation is not totally understandable. >> your city council has said that russian air strikes have turned mariupol into, quote, the ashes of a dead land.

can you describe the conditions facing the people there who are trapped? we talked about the fact they have been trapped for days if not weeks now >> there's only one word for this situation and it's hell, because people don't have electricity, any heat, any water. the food supply, there's very little. even some don't have a food supply. so the situation is terrible. all the world knows this. but russians don't want to let the humanitarian convoy to enter mariupol, because they say they only let it if the city surrender, and we all understand that today all the citizens in

the situations are hostages. some of the people which don't have own car, they go out from mariupol by -- you can't understand, it's a very long distance and it's constant shelling, but people are so afraid to die in mariupol, so they get out with their own feet. >> well, we are all just sending our thoughts and prayers. i am so sorry for everything that the people there in mariupol are going through. as you know there is this summit happening tomorrow here in brussels, and that will be a key focus as well as everything else happening throughout ukraine. thank you so much for joining us. we appreciate your perspective. >> thank you. coming up next, as the president weighs a more permanent troop presence in nato

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nbc news courtney correspondent, courtney kube with the nato cold response team. thank you for joining us with your exclusive reporting. let's talk about the news you have been working on breaking. how would the plan impact the thousands of troops already deployed to the region? >> as you said, kristen, there's four of the battle groups under nato hat and the united states is the lead on one of those. there are already thousands of american troops here as part of the nato presence here in eastern europe, but there are 100,000 troops all throughout europe right now. what we are doing here right now is exercise cold response number 22, as you mentioned, and this was planned way before russia invaded ukraine but the reality

is the scenario they are going through here looks like it would if russia were to invade an ally. if another nation invaded norway, nato invokes article 5, and that means if one member is attacked all are attacked and nato and america responds. what we are seeing on the screen is some of the nato allies who have begun the offensive part of the exercise, which means they are going after the fictional enemy here. the enemy has a lot of same assets that russia has, things like air defense systems and tanks, the sorts of things we are watching them deploy in parts of ukraine right now. the idea is these nato allies will come together in what you can see is a pretty rough environment. it's freezing cold. it's raining, it's snowing. there's a tremendous wind during

parts of the days here. they are learning how to operate in these harsh environments, both how their equipment will act and react to the cold and wind and how they will all work together. we have seen some of the devastating consequences, just how harsh the environment last u.s. marines. there's still no determination of what caused that crash. but the officials we spoke with here have said the weather was really bad. they're investigating, but they're definitely looking at whether it's one of the potential causes, kristen. >> and courtney just underscores the urgency, the fact that this is all taking place against the backdrop of this unfolding war in ukraine. thank you for your exclusive reporting and for being there. we really appreciate it. and joining me now is ian bremer, president of the eurasia group and founder of g zero media. thank you so much, ian. it's good to be with you, and i appreciate your joining us. i want to get your reaction to the breaking news that happened

on our air just a short time ago, the fact that the state department announced the u.s. government now assesses russia's forces are committing war crimes in ukraine. what is the significance? is it more than symbolic? >> it's not surprising. i don't think president biden would have made that public statement if he didn't know that was coming down the pike. i think what we need to be clear is that globalization for russia has ended. their normal diplomatic and economic relations with the west, with the advanced industrial economies of the g7, have ended. and there's no way to come back from that. i mean, maybe we get to a place of negotiations. maybe we can freeze the conflict. but as long as putin himself is running russia, this is a point of no return. and i think that that is something we have to think about much more seriously. i think we now have a pretty good sense of where we think the ukraine itself may be going. we know the millions of refugees, we know the ukrainians can defend themselves in kyiv,

russia's probably not short of a general mobilization going to be able to take zelenskyy out, and certainly isn't going to take all of ukraine. but the fact is that whatever happens in ukraine the state of relations between nato and russia are going to be completely broken, in some ways worse than the cold war. the peace dividend from 1989 when the wall came down is inexorably over. and i think that the move from the state department is really the nail in that coffin. >> and ian, we've been reporting on throughout the hour the potential for permanent military -- u.s. military posture in eastern europe. what would the impact of something like that be and does it risk provoking putin, which is exactly what president biden and nato are trying to avoid? >> well, i want to be clear that to the extent that any provocations have been made here in the last four weeks they've come from the kremlin, they've come from president putin deciding to invade an innocent country of 44 million people. so that is where the

responsibility lies. but there's no question that the responses that we've seen from nato -- and they're in three buckets. one is the willingness to try to destroy the russian economy, including freezing a majority of russia's central bank assets, something you have never seen in history against any economy of scale. number two, providing the ukrainian government with significant defensive capabilities so they can defend themselves and kill russian invaders, and also intelligence on the disposition of russian forces on the ground for the same reason. and then finally, all of the significant increases, the defense increases that we're seeing, the forward deployments in the baltic states, poland, romania, bulgaria, the mounds of money that the germans and others will be spending in addition on defense. all of this will be seen by putin as acts of war to destroy his country. so yes, we've been talking about war in ukraine.

the reality is there is a much broader confrontation between russia and nato that russia has precipitated but they will not finish. >> ian bremmer, we always appreciate your perspective. thank you so much. and with that i do want to send it over to my colleague in new york, chris jansing, who has the very latest on today's supreme court confirmation hearings. hi there, chris. >> hi there, kristen. thank you. turning to capitol hill, this hearing for ketanji brown jackson now in six hours, just resuming after a lunch break. this is a historic day for the u.s. supreme court. but in the words of senator pat leahy it's also a sad day for the u.s. senate after contentious questioning from senator lindsey graham. now, a few themes have come up repeatedly through the morning. jackson's sentencing record, court packing, and abortion. >> no one suggests that a 20-week-old fetus can live independently outside the mother's womb.

do they? >> i don't know. >> i mean, you need -- the child will need to be fed and sheltered and all the other essentials to sustain human life. so there's no suggestion that after 20 weeks that a child can live independently. correct? >> senator, i'm not a biologist. i haven't studied this. i don't know. >> i want to bring in nbc's garrett haake, who's on capitol hill, who's been following this all along. garrett, i was looking at some folks who talked about the moment that lindsey graham repeatedly interrupted ketanji brown jackson and said, you know, there was a reaction, you could hear a verbal reaction from people to what was happening. tell us about the mood in that room and your headlines from the day so far today. >> reporter: yeah, you could hear some rumbling in the room including some folks saying under their breath that graham should shut up when he was going back and forth with judge

jackson really on two separate issues. again, on this issue of her sentencing for child pornographers, but also as has been the theme of graham's two rounds of questioning kind of looking back at the historical treatment by democrats of the last two republican supreme court nominees. he seemed interested in if not holding brown -- judge jackson accountable for that of at least rubbing it in democrats' faces that here they were again and he could treat a democratic nominee in a similar way. it was really a striking moment that led even pat leahy, one of the senior democrats, on the panel to come right out of the room up to the cameras to just deliver to us his own belief that the whole thing had been outrageous. i think that was probably the strongest negative moment of the day. the best positive moment, i think, if you're judge jackson, one of her supporters, was her exchange with the aforementioned pat leahy in which she talked about the historical nature of this nomination and the fact of her parents' sacrifices, again,

bringing her to this moment, kind of reminding folks why we are where we are in this moment. >> yeah. and repeatedly going back after some republicans suggesting that they were misrepresenting her positions and just keeping it cool. thank you so much, garrett haake, who continues to report for us. let's send it back to my colleague kristen welker in brussels. kristen? >> thanks, chris, so much. appreciate it. that is it for me today. hallie jackson picks up our coverage next here on msnbc. -we. ♪ oh, oh, oh, ozempic®! ♪ ♪ oh, oh, oh ♪ ozempic® is proven to lower a1c. most people who took ozempic® reached an a1c under 7 and maintained it. and you may lose weight. adults lost on average up to 12 pounds. in adults also with known heart disease, ozempic® lowers the risk of major cardiovascular events such as heart attack, stroke, or death. ozempic® helped me get back in my type 2 diabetes zone. ozempic® isn't for people with type 1 diabetes.

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fireworks on day two of the questioning of supreme court nominee ketanji brown jackson. another aggressive round of questioning by republicans on the judiciary committee. texas senator ted cruz is questioning judge jackson now. we're going to listen in. >> and you read this script in every one of these cases. so you talk about that these are terrible, terrible crimes.