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good morning, it's 8:00, world leaders are meeting in brussels this morning for an extraordinary nato summit exactly one week on from russia's invasion of ukraine. prime minister boris johnson is expected to rush an extra 6,000 missiles to ukraine and calling on other nations to increase their support. with new sanctions against rush yachlts -- russia.
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we'll be live throughout the morning. the government is targeting support to those who need it most. it's thursday, the 24th of march. vladimir putin has made a big mistake says the u.n. secretary general and there is a new urgency. >> he has underestimated the ukrainian people, the bravery of the ukrainian people. >> all eyes on brussels today as nato leaders meet here to discuss the war in ukraine including how they respond to russia's attack on ukraine. as the war enters its second month, president zelenskyy calls for global protests in support of ukraine. calculate all possible outcomes. one of russia's most senior diplomats tells sky news that
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moscow could press the nuclear button if the world provokes them. >> we don't know if that is what he will do, and the power, we don't know. >> they insist their measures will help. >> and prince william expected to express profound sorrow of slavery and stopped short of the apology, to come. also, this morning, we're talking about the afghan girl banned by the taliban from going to school. and the biggest refugee crisis in europe since the
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second world war, we're talk together director of a new film about how hard it can be crossing borders. good morning. it's exactly one month since russia invaded ukraine. world leaders are gathering in brussels this morning for an extraordinary nato summit on the crisis. russia has taken just one major city, kherson but they reduced others to rubbles, causing millions to flee for their lives. let's look at the latest developments. talking about the u.n. secretary general says any chemical attack would fundamentally change the course of the war but did not say whether military action would be taken. president zelenskyy has called for nato to provide effective and unretracted support to ukraine as the u.k. promised to send another 6,000 anti-tick missiles. nato estimates that troops
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have been killed. u.s. intelligence suggests russian advances toward kyiv has stop and russia is setting up defensive positions ten miles away. these are the latest pictures that we are getting, emanuel macron there, will he stop and speak to the camera? will he speak in english? come and listen in. >> brief and in french. but in the last hour, we heard from the nato secretary general stoltenberg who said there is a new sense of urgency about europe's defense. >> president putin has made a big mistake, and that is to launch a war, to wage war against an independent sovereign
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nation. he has underestimated the strength of the ukrainian people, the bravery of the ukrainian people and the armed forces, and therefore, they are also meeting much more resistance than they expected. >> security and defense editor debra haynes is in brussels for us. there is so much done already, short of a no-fly zone, what else can nato do? >> the defense president said to come back later that each of the leaders will be giving their press conferences at the end of the summit and we will be able to hear individually from them what they think they will be doing but there are three key areas to think about. first of all, how individual allies are helping the ukrainian armed forces continue to fight in the midst of the russia invasion and uk giving more
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missiles, germany more ammunition and additional support coming in and the second response how nato will respond should there be any further continuation, with chemical and biological weapons and thirdly, the long-term posture of nato, it has to fundamentally change, it's taking the greatest threat to the security since the second world war, and that means it cannot be business as usual, there has to be fundamental changes in the countries and the defense and their readiness to be able to go to war. >> debra, thanks very much. let's talk now to the former head of policy at nato, talking to us from berlin, very good to talk to you. debra was summarizing there, yes, we could possibly send more weapons, to ukraine, nato does need to factor in what happens if russia does up the ante even
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further. what do you think nato could do within the framework of its current organization? >> well, i do agree with your correspondent that i think nato should go even further and provide the kind of weapons that the ukrainians have been asking for some time. like air defense systems that will allow them to protect their major population centers, and allow them to actually put a very high cost on the russian air force and the russian missiles operating in the ukrainian air space. so i think we need to be a bit more ambitious in the kind of arms shipment that we are doing towards ukraine, and give them more surface to air defensive weapons to be able to hold and resist the russian pressure. >> indeed, that is what the germans said who spoke at nato in the last hour, that if they could give them more defense,
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ukrainians could deal with it themselves. and in perhaps an attack, a chemical attack, do you think that russia is likely to do that? >> first i think what is very important is what the nato secretary general has said, that the use of chemical weapons would change the nature of this conflict. and i think it's sadly needing to be contemplated and it is not said what will happen with nuclear weapons and to push back against any kind of weapons of mass destruction, that president putin may be engaging in, and i think it is very important to push back and re-establish some strategy balance here saying don't even think about it, because using them would fundamentally change the nature of the conflict and with terrible consequence force the parties. and it would take two weeks to come up with the beginning of
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the language with that is worrying but i think it is a good thing. i don't think the discussion is what if there is a nuclear escalation, or nuclear war, i think it is what can we do now to threaten that nuclear war and nato that could bring it to a halt and that would be with the nato leaders happening today. >> you want to see something happening in the next 24 hours, 12 hours. how concerned are you about china and its influence on russia? over the last month, it's very much stepped back, it's abstained from various votes but there is some speculation that they could start helping russia militarily. how realistic of a threat do you think that is? >> well, there is some hedging going on, on the russian partner, but on the other hand, it can be clear, you can see a wariness from chinese company, not to trade or engage in
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transactions with russian companies. >> for the moment, we will interrupt, justin trudeau speaking and let's listen to what he has to say. >> the human right of our societies. that's why this illegal, brutal, invasion of a friendly democracy in ukraine, by vladimir putin is absolutely unacceptable. and nato and partners around the world are united in condemning and standing up to russia, but also being there to support the ukrainians as they stand and fight for the values that underpin all of our democracies. >> justin true drow, reiterating his support for ukraine and reiterating the horror of what is happening there with russia
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and sorry we cut you off with we were talking about china being involved and echoing your words that we hope to have some kind of firm statement from the leaders at the end of today. >> and from china, if they were to have support, could giving military capables to russia, and would bring this war, into essentially a global one and i think that's why the u.s. and been very vocal and very clear that they want to avoid china playing that more active role so i think that is really something to watch in the coming weeks. >> former head of policy planning at nato, thank you, i will let you get off and clear your throat. >> thank you. well, stay with us, and bring in the chair of the house of commons committee, and in terms of what the government is saying, it wants to send to
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ukraine, can we afford to send all of these new weapons? >> i'm sorry, we didn't hear more this b-this yesterday, there is state on state war in europe and i hope the summit will come to terms with how threatening it is for ukraine and the rest of europe, for too long for the last few weeks, we've given them weapons systems absolutely, but they have been ultimately been left to do the heavy lifting and in launching the invasion, president putin miscalculated the strength and unity of the west with punishing sanctions and the ukrainians incredible resolve to stay and fight and putin was spot on in assuming that nato would have no appetite to get directly involved and given russian forces the green light to carry out the genocide, the war crimes, the mass destruction on an entire country. we cannot continue to be so risk
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averse, so timid in standing up to putin's actions. our weaknesses are being exploited and i do plead to america, the leader of the west, president biden specifically, to move up a couple of gears and recognizing this impunity that we've granted putin. and the entire strategy on europe needs to be overhauled. we will see mariupol fall soon. potentially odesa. unless we change our strategy on security in europe. >> you mentioned yesterday, and said that you wish you heard more about it yesterday, do you think there was a missed opportunity in yesterday's spring financial statement for the chancellor to reverse some of those cuts to defense spending that were announced in the autumn. >> yes, i made the case, and you pointed it out, you're absolutely right, the defense posture was changed and tilted a little bit to cyber and space understandbly and cut back on armored fighting vehicles and personnel and all of the things that we now require and the world as i say is getting more
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dangerous, not less. it takes time to train more pilots. . it takes time to procour moore equipment. we need to be increasing that budget now. germany is lengthening. and other nations will do as well. and if we want to play a leading well, particularly if america will be fighting back a little bit on the european security front, there is a burden for us to play and we can do that if we invest at the same time. >> have you had a face to face conversation with the chancellor about this? >> some time ago, i did. i made the case to him, to explain that there is a lag time in us turning this around to bolster what is happening. and it will stake a little while for them to get their protocols in place, recognize the defense posture that is now required because of the new threats that are there. we do need to reconsider our position. do we really need to be tilting to the far east now that there is a security concern in europe? are we willing to leave
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countries like ukraine outside because they're not part of the nato family? all big questions to consider, some of which i hope will be looked at, at the nato summit. >> do you think the chancellor has the points put to him, and how long the money takes to seep through and make a difference in terms of boots on the ground and weapons. >> yes, i think he appreciates it and unfortunately with all politicians, all leader, all governments, they have to take consideration of the pressures on government and the energy crisis and so forth, the cost of living, these are things that are the focused of the government, and while i'm pleased you are covering the subject, it should be recognized by the people that we are in a different world. we had 30 years of world peace and now we have a cold war and britain's role in that conflict and if the british people are behind, this then more politicians will start to support an increase in 3% in
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defense spend. >> the trans-atlantic foreign policy think tank, their head said yesterday that chances to increase spending and reverse dangerous cuts around forces will be welcomed in the kremlin. do you think that that would have filtered through, that the president putin will have -- >> completely, he was very, they see where our investments, are where we're looking to build up -- capabilities but also britain has a card to get other nations to step forward with us but we can only do that if we have twice the amount of ships that we require at the moment, if we have, you know, turned around the cuts in armed forces, 10,000 troops were removed in the last defense budget. they need to be changed now. we need to review where these tough decisions that were made, understandably, but we want a peacetime defense budget on 2%, and the cold war, we were spending 4% on gdp, and i simply
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ask for 3%. we now need to consider that. >> consider it, but the chancellor didn't appear to be any mood to be giving away to that cause. what else do you think you can do to encourage him to get more money to encourage them to pivot? >> i will continue to make the case that security is the government's first priority. without security we have no prosperity and our economy cannot grow. if the freedom seeds are removed and if we're seeing a geopolitical change in our world with russia and china aligning themselves in this axis as we're seeing emerge in front of us, then we will not have the money for all of the other government departments that the chancellor wants to support as well. it's so important that we recognize this bigger picture. this isn't just about ukraine. this is about european and global security. we're in a new era of insecurity now. britain can play its role but only if we invest more in our defense and our fire power. >> toe bias elwood, a former
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soldier and secretary of ministry, thank you very much. chancellor, the criticism of the spring statement for not doing enough for families of need. families of lower income he said were his priority. >> first and foremost the fact that we've experienced as i said a pandemic, that was a pretty exceptional episode in our country's history, and we haven't seen this since the world war, the second world war and the biggest economic shock, and i think most people would understand an exceptional experience like that, and it does lead to an exceptional response and that's what we're grappling with the after-market brobe probe and i do believe the policies being put in place will help those with low income disproportionately. >> when you look at the morning paper, the university not really
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being welcomed, when he announced yesterday, and that main question seems to be it is society that he hasn't really help, the poorest in society that he hasn't really helped. >> absolutely. and the statistics stand up yesterday and on a lot of the newspaper's front pages, we will see the biggest drop in living standards since the 1950s. absolutely massive economic hit to a lot of people's families. and the question is whether it will help very many people. yes, there were bill tax changes yesterday, the national tax rate, 12 billion pounds from that tax hike and now it will only be 6 billion pounds and most people whose incomes are under say 35,000 a year will not have to play any additional national insurance but there will be massive energy bills and surfer. so effects of rising inflation. and the big question by a lot of groups today is the very poorest, people who are on
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benefits, people who are living on a pension, people who are not in work, will not be able to cope with rising inflation. because he didn't give anything specifically to them and that's what the chancellor was defending himself against there, but certainly he had announced this morning, about people who will be in poverty as a result of these change, meaning some conservatives say it won't be long before we have to put more support in place. we haven't cut back enough or we haven't provided enough support. and the other question is, from this morning, is about his own family, and whether a company owned by the chancellor's wife's father, in which she has a stake, a company based in india, is benefitting from russia, and this is what he told us. >> i'm an elected politician, and will talk to you about what i'm responsible for. my wife is not. >> she is not, but equally, you know, as a country, we are asking taxpayers to fund the
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u.k.'s support for ukraine, we're asking people in the u.k. to give their homes up to ukrainian refugees, where your family potentially could be benefitting from putin's regime. >> no, i don't think that's the case. and the operations of all companies are up to them. and we put in place significant sanctions, in all of the companies we're responsible for and following those, and sending a strong message to putin's aggression. >> saying he doesn't know what the company is doing it. is a company that is based in india. india is not sanctioning russia. but he wouldn't say what involvement it has in making money from vladimir putin, if any. saying it is not a matter for him personally as an elected politician. >> tamara, thanks very much. the chancellor's statement yesterday, as he was saying, hasn't gone down that well in the papers, the metro suggests that the chancellor hasn't taken account of inflation, lower living standards and higher tax
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burdens in his spring statement. their headline, "no heat to eat". the "i" says the biggest hit to living standards since rationing was enforced this. very a striking graph to go with it. normally a staunch supporter of the tories, it is critical, referencing forgotten million, asking what about us. but the mail is more supportive, saying cutting taxes even further. still to come, on the show, we will get some reaction to yesterday's spring budget on the shadow chancellor, in the studio in the next few minutes. and also a close look at the social housing crisis exposing britain's worst situations. and we turn to the school girl, taking a look at the
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afghan's last minute decision to ban girls from education. now, one of russia's most feared diplomats has told sky news that moscow could press the nuclear button if nato provokes it. dmitri was talking to the u.s. correspond from inside russia's offices of the united nations in new york. >> this is one of the few places left in new york where this man would still be welcomed. it's here, the russian mission to the u.n., where the diplomats write their speeches, where they work out how on earth to defend the indefensible. >> vladimir putin's personal spokesperson said that russia retains the right to use nuclear weapons, and to defend the country. why is that -- >> if russia is provoked by
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nato, if russia is attacked by nato, we don't know. we are legally within our power. why not? >> do you think it is politically right to say ha? >> i don't think it is the right thing to be saying but it's not the right thing to threaten russia. and to try to adhere, and the way you're dealing with a nuclear power, you have to calculate all of the possible outcomes of your decision. that's what i'm going to say. >> if russia committing war crimes in ukraine? >> i don't think we are committing war crimes in ukraine. of course it is not up to me to assess. i'm not there, you're not, there you're looking at the videos, you're looking at the videos forecasted on fake news. >> you say that the homes, the hospital, the theaters, it has not been targeted by russia. >> they were not targeted. and you know very well, we said from the very beginning, that our military is not to threaten the civilian population in ukraine. >> showing what we believe is
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evidence of war crime. we have the pictures taken by our colleagues the associated press, independent news site, these are apartments on fire, in mariupol, hit by russian missiles. >> how do you know it's russian missiles? >> what is your suggestion that the ukrainians are -- >> i can tell you it can easily come from ukraine, in the center of the city, it happened in krakow, it happened in mariupol, they have their own missile launches and a lot of cases i know that are reported from ukrainian missiles. >> ambassador with respect, i think that's preposterous. the idea that this amount of destruction -- >> i think it's quite logical. so what's preposterous. >> he may not believe russia is guilty of war crimes, but the u.s. says they are. the international criminal court will ultimately decide. but with every wild claim being claimed by the diplomat, russia becomes increasingly isolated on
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the world stage. sky news, new york. >> martha, thank you. the spring statement was out yesterday, the chancellor spoke to him in the last hour and now chancellor rachel reese in the studio. good to talk to you. and the chancellor has talked and a lot of papers say he hasn't gone far enough but he has the right to be modest here, we don't really know what is coming down the lane, do we, inflation could be as high as 10%. is it right to be holding something back? >> his two key take-aways from the spring statement yesterday, first of all is, that the tax burden is now the highest since the 1940s. and even by the end of the parliament, with the income tax, seven out of eight working people will be paying more in taxes and one in eight will be paying less. and this tax burden is really
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hitting when the cost of living crisis reaches its crescendo if you like. because we know inflation is 6.2%. set to rise close to 9% this year. and to be taking money out of people's pockets at this time goes against the common sense, it goes against all of the economic evidence, and we're the only major advanced economy that is taking money out of people's pockets at a time when you got a cost of living increase like this. >> and that's in terms of the cost of national insurance contributions. >> not just that, because also, more people are being pushed into pay income tax, because the bands at which you start paying income taxes has been frozen and more people are dragged into paying a higher rate of income taxes as well. because usually, that would go up with inflation but the chancellor has close ton freeze it. so more and more people are paying more and more in taxes at
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a time when the bills are going up and up and up and something has to give and for those on modest income, there is nothing good about it, and even for people working on modest salaries, it is really tough right now, and petrol price, the weekly food shop and most of all the electricity bills are just reaching staggering levels. >> it is tough and not denying that but the chancellor and government is saying it is tough for reasons outside of their control, it is tough because of covid, it's tough because of what is happening with the war in ukraine and we haven't seen the full impact that that's going to have on the energy crisis, and these are all things that the chancellor and the government can't control. >> but they have choice, of who to tax and who to shield, and the chancellor has chosen not to ask anything more from northfield oil and gas companies. i say that labor would have introduced a one-off windfall tax on the big profits made by oil and gas companies right now.
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and the chief executive of bp says they've got more money than they know what to do with. he described running the country, it's like a cash machine right now, but the people paying out are ordinary british families so let's have a one-off windfall tax and use that money for expanding warm homes discount so the poorest who live on modest incomes get some more help and also cut vac on domestic gas and electricity bills to give everyone a bit of money off their biffles right now. and that is the sort of measure that i would have like to have seen in the spring statement yesterday. >> but there are critics who also say that doesn't go far enough. and if inflation is going up at the extraordinary rates, and incomes aren't, that's the disconnect, and i mean would the labour party go further and would the labour party tie benefits to inflation? >> so the package we have announced on the energy crisis would have taken up to 600 pounds of the bill. of around a third of people. so it would have made a big
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difference, you know, the government bills are going up by almost 700 pounds, we would have taken 600 pounds off people's bills, and it's far in excess of anything that the chancellor has announced and we can do that, but could with that windfall tax. and when you ask about the situation of pensions and benefits they're supposed to go up in line with inflation but the problem is that that inflation rate that was chosen was last september's inflation and since then what has happened to inflation, it hasn't just crept up, it is spiraling out of control, and twice that level. so we should go back to doing what is supposed to happen which is taking benefits and pensions to inflation. and the fact that inflation is so high now and rightly to be for the rest of the year, next year, pensions and benefits will go up by more. let's bring forward some of that increase so it helps right now when people most need that support. >> how far can you go, if inflation goes up to 10%. would the labour party put
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benefits up 10%? i mean the bill, it's just the eyeball for me. >> and right now inflation is 6.3%. and next year, when the benefits are up, the benefit increase and the pension increase will reflect the inflation that we've experienced this year. so pensions and benefits will eventually get there, it's just too late to help people with their bills now. so what we're saying, bring some of the forward, some of that increase, that will happen next year, so people are actually getting the money in their purses and wallets where they most need it when bills are going up 54%. i have constituency who say they don't have money for the heating, and they can't afford it. and many are saying i'm skilling it, because the most important thing to me is my kids eat properly. people shouldn't have to make the impossible decisions because of a failure of the chancellor to act yesterday. more and more people will be making those decisions. >> one of the things that he did announce yesterday was the
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income tax cut cutting it from 20% to 19% in the future. is that something that you oppose? >> look, this chance hor said i -- this chancellor said i believe in lower taxes but a bit like a kid who plays guitar in his bedroom and thinks he's a rock star. they will go down from 20% to 19%, that's a decrease by anybody's standards. >> but let's look at, that because you can't decide that all of this going up and that going down. overall by the end of this parliament, seven out of eight working people will be paying more in tax and one in eight will be paying less in tamp. >> specifically on income tax, do you support it? do you oppose it? >> if so, why not? >> we're very clear i want to see lower taxes on ordinary working people, that's why labor would not be doing this insurance hike now. this chancellor, if he really wants to help working people, and keep their taxes low, she
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have canceled that national insurance increase. and say i want to see lower taxes on working people, and the chancellor should be doing that now when people need it. >> with the income tax going from 20% to 19%, you're not going to oppose it, are you? >> let's see what happens, because it is not a finance bill, it's no in the legislation and the chancellor's promise is not going to help people pay their bills now. it's all about, it's a game for this chancellor. he's announcing a tax increase, just ahead of the next general election because he's more concerned about the electoral cycle than the inflation cycle and helping people with the cost of living crisis that is hitting now. >> thanks very much for joining us. >> thank you. well, our next guest is a social housing activist exposing britain's toughest situations and calling for regulations on land laus and posting videos on
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the twitter feed. let's take a quick look before we hear from him. >> you can't open this door, barely open this door. and that is opening this door. >> he joins me now. and well done on your campaign, you have been really raising the horrific conditions some people are being forced to live in. what were you hoping to hear from yesterday's spring statements? >> i mean a lot more, i was left very disappointed i would say, i thought there was going to be more support having exposed these sorts of conditions that people have been living in over the last year, some of the most
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horrific conditions that anybody should be living in at all, that may be addressed during this project, but it was absolutely nothing, which felt like a massive defeat, to be honest and the thing is, since i've been going around, a lot of people living in these conditions happen to be workers, i myself working, not on huge incomes around now what has happened, they will be squeezed even further by this cost of living crisis, and there's not going to be much support now. and they will have to choose whether to pay rent for accommodation which is absolutely falling apart, whether to eat, or whether to keep their homes warm. and unfortunately, what's going to happen is not everyone is going to be able to afford all of those and the bottom line they have to be very blunt with this, it's come next winter people are going to be dying as a result of what is happening now, as a result of the cost of living crisis, the things that aren't happening at government levels in order to support these people, these low income earners, and people will die, as a result of it. next winter.
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and the government is aware of this. >> they are aware of it, and you have been talking to us and you have met michael, haven't you, since you spoke us to. tell us about that and has that given you any hope that anything could change? >> it has. i have to say, he seemed to understand what i was saying, but actions speak a lot louder than words and tenants like myself have been overpromised and underdelivered many times, not just for housing, social housing but government levels, from mps, from ministers, like i said, yesterday was a massive situation with senior leaders within parliament don't want to seem to address this issue or look after the people that, a lot of the people that elected them, which is a huge thing, because come the next general election, i'm sure that they are making promises when it comes to houses and these other issues to get elected and what have they done over the last few years to show that they actually care about those who need the help the most and unfortunately from what i'm seeing it is absolutely
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nothing. >> good it talk to you. thanks for joining us against on sky news. >> thank you. well, the u.k. charity for children has urgently called on the government to introduce a plan to reduce child poverty, particularly the child element of universal credit. joining me now is barry tucker, a full time career for his two children, both of them have additional needs, and his wife is working, a career as well, and barry, really good to talk to you today. we asked the chancellor about your situation, he said he thought you had been helped by what he announced yesterday, especially the reduction in fuel prices, do you think you will be helped, do you think your life will be easier as a result of yesterday's spring statement? >> no, i think it's going to be worse off, to be honest. it's like nothing was put into universal credit, or into benefits, and it doesn't affect me or other families, and so i
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think the situation is going to get worse before it gets better. >> what were you hoping to hear? >> i was hoping to hear more funding to go into the benefits, and other things as well, you know, and more help even to those like myself, who's been there. and without action for children, and early child and family services, without their support, we as a family probably wouldn't be here now. we have gone where we have to use food banks once a week. and we have to prioritize. you know, do you pay the council tax? do you pay your rent? food for the family? for me and my kids, me and my wife, just giving our children food, and it is a failure of government in not doing enough
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to support families. and it leads to other things, myself, trying to work full time and now on sick pay, due to stress, given what is going on, and like i said, it's hard for struggling families and it is going to get worse. >> how often are you getting government food to make sure your kids are fed? >> we have turned to children and early support family service, and without their help, we wouldn't have gotten to where we are now, you know, they helped us out, and provided us with food fouchers, food bank areas, food voucher, food bank area, and help for children, and with the guidance, with the assessment plan, with a number of professionals and goals, and we're doing that, with that support and help from people.
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and like i said, we've been, we wouldn't be together, it puts so much stress on you, it puts so much stress on you, months ago, went to the hospital for nine days, so that's why i feel the government just needs to do more, you know. >> when you got together with your wife, you know, you are both working, you got a couple of kids, did you ever imagine that it would end, that you would come to, this that you would be using a food bank and you're hospitalized because you can't cope with the stress of not being able to feed your kids? >> no i didn't think it would come to this. i think when i was younger, i wanted two kids and a wife, get married, and have holidays, and go out on day trips, and the best for my kids, but i just have to, you know, we have to prioritize now, and as long as there is a meal on the table and a roof over their head and they're warm, but you know, it's
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just such hard work at the moment. it's how you're going to afford things for next month, next week, and it puts so much strain on you. >> well, barry tuck remember, really kind of you to talk to us, thanks a lot for giving your time this morning. and the best of luck and glad you're getting some assistance and help. >> thank you. to ukraine now. and the siege of mariupol has trapped tens of thousands of people without food, water, or medicine. residents are struggling to live under constant russian bombardment. and correspondent sally lockwood spoke to one mother who managed to escape. >> the city of mariupol is almost totally destroyed. in its ashes, there are at least 100,000 people trapped, and trying to stay alive. but it's feared there could be far more than that. the city is surrounded, and the bombs drop day and night.
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escaping from here on foot is unfathomable but we met one family who did. >> they watched as we went to the checkpoint. >> a man and woman in the car. they were next to each other. and for so many days, they were in the car. walk down the street, and there was so much around us. it was scary. we look away from what we've seen with exploding becomes. >> the confusion is understanding. they have made it to the west of ukraine with the help of strangers. when they first escaped mariupol, days ago -- >> let's just take you straight across to brussels, as you can see there, the prime minister boris johnson, and the foreign secretary is arriving, here is
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what he has to say. >> should nato be prepared to act? >> i think the reality is that vladimir putin has already crossed the red line into bar barrism, and i think it is now up to nato to consider together the appalling crisis in ukraine, the appalling suffering of the people of ukraine, and to see what more we can do to help the people of ukraine to protect themselves, and see what more we can do to tighten the economic vice around the putin regime, and that's what we're going to be talking about, some of the people are going to be talking about. >> as a result of the invasion of ukraine, should the rest of the world prepare for that? >> i think it's very important that we work together, to get this thing done, as fast as possible, the harder our sanctions, the tougher our economic vice around the putin regime, the more we can do to help the ukrainians and i think the faster that this thing can be over.
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thank you all very much. thank you. >> boris johnson there, talking to the reporters there ahead of the nato meeting, talking about putin crossing a red line into barbarism, and estimated to be considering economic sanctions and despite the key, despite the impact on the rest of europe, believes he must tighten the economic vice around russia and the harder the sanctions are, he said, the quicker the results there will be. well, still to come on the program, the afghan school girls forced out of classrooms before classes had even begun. in afghanistan, school girls -- this is a hero, walking his youngest down the aisle, which to his bladder, feels like a mile. yet he stands strong, dry, keeping the leaks only to his eyes. depend. the only thing stronger than us, is you.
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prince william has expressed profound sorrows for slavery and stopped short of activists in jamaica. and a report, this report has flashing images from the start. our reporter has been following the couple on their caribbean tour. >> anticipation was high as the duke and duchess of cambridge arrived at the appropriately named king's house. 1953 was when the queen first came here, when jamaica was still a british colony. now, all eyes on her grandson, under pressure to apologize for the painful past. >> i strongly agree with my father, the prince of wales, who said in barbados last year, the appalling atrocities of slavery forever stained history. and i want to express my profound sorry, slavery was abhorrent. and it should never have
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happened. while the pain runs deep, jamaica continues to forge its future with determination, courage, and fortitude. >> father short, was one of those who wrote an open letter asking william to acknowledge the royal family's role in the slave trade. he was left disappointed. >> it is always disappointing when responsibility is not taken for certain actions, and certainly, this is not just any action, it's crimes against humanity. >> earlier in the day, in a surprisingly blunt meeting in front of the cameras, the prime minister had already alluded to the protests. >> we're moving up, and he intends to in short order smooth the conditions and develop a prosperous barbados. >> his ambitions also clear that
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jamaica should cut ties with the royal family. >> the royals think the public debate is one for them but there is no way that prince william could ignore the issue of slavery. it was always unlikely that he was going to go further than his father, even though there will be those disappointed, he didn't mention reparations. but in a sign of how much his words did matter to him, he was keen that there were no leaks and they were heard from him first. >> william and kate have been left in no doubt, they are forming a new kind of relationship with jamaica, and this tour was never going to solve all of the issues at play, but it has amplified the voices of those demanding change. breanna mills, sky news, in kingston, jamaica. in afghanistan, school girls were left in tears, when the taliban broke a promise to let them go back to the classroom. many girls across the country were just minutes away from starting their first classes when they were told they had to
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leave. among them was this 16-year-old girl who said her future is ruined. >> it was like a day of mourning. and it was a very sad day. it was like losing a loved one. everyone was crying. the girls were hugging and crying and saying goodbye. >> i wanted to be a dr. even though i knew it would be difficult. i like doctor's white coats but now i can't do anything. my future is ruined. >> joining me now to discuss the afghan politician and journalist shakiria, thanks for joining us, apologies for manage ling your name. what hope for girls in afghanistan now do you think? >> good morning. i do believe it's not time for us to talk about the hope, it's time for us to talk about the risk. the risk of ap gan afghan girls not being educated the future of
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afghanistan will be darker and there will be basic rights not fulfilled if we do not have consequence, and not talking about afghanistan, from the international community, sadly, and not holding taliban accountable, that will be a big mistake, which is, it's going to be happening. and of course, the women and girls in afghanistan, it is not the first time we are seeing the brutal behavior of taliban. this is the second time. but we will find a way, with home schooling the girls, my school going on, but sooner or later, i'm sure the people of afghanistan will stand against such a brutality. but this is important, which kind of message we have to deliver to those girls, to those teenagers, to the women of afghanistan, to the population and the world, and it's not just they are suffering, we are suffering, our heart is crying, just the basic rights, education, access to education, going to school, it's not
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something asking something from the sky, this is basic rights, we need to pressure them and hold them accountable. >> it's not just a basic right. it is also economic sense. you can't discount half of your population from any kind of fruitful future within your country, can you? the brightest, the most affluent girls, in afghanistan, it seems to me that the obvious thing that they would do would be to leave. what impact would that have on the country if they're able to? >> it's already happened. the brain drain happened in afghanistan, from august 15 to now, every educated family left the country because of the taliban brutality. because they can't find a job. because of the violence. because of the misbehavior from the taliban. because of what is happening every single day. and unfortunately, women cannot
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even travel without male members of their family. even americans can't travel outside the country without taliban permission. women can't even go simple, outside of their house, and walk on the street, without male guardians. that's very sad. and in the 21st century, we are witnessing such things, and i think it's taking that part, and this kind of behavior, which is taliban part, trying to continue, take the great fresh blood which is more tolerant, epper gettic energetic, more passion for the country, but any doors opened for more than 15 million afghans, to flee? no. and if you see the borders of afghanistan right now, it's packed with people. they would like to go out of the taliban controlled areas. out of the country. it's not like they wish to go. they have no choice. they need to go. they must go.
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first it's the girls. you heard her dream. she wants to be a doctor. is that something very big? and she wants to pay all of her attention for education. that's the great things. that's what we hope all of our kids and our girl, and teenagers to focus more on education. that's the thing, it is not possible there for them. so when people left r-left without choice, they may find a way, and that would have a bad consequence, an impact of the migration, particularly here. >> thank you so much for talking to us. it is a desperate situation and one that we hope will be resolved very, very soon. an afghan politician, joining us there in germany, while she was talking to us, we see the u.s. president, president biden arriving now in brussels, for this nato summit. and he's approaching the press who are assembled there. good morning, and welcome to
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"way too early." this is jonathan lemire, we are watching live pictures of president joe biden arriving at nato headquarters in brussels. the president and leaders of 29 other member states are gathering for a high stakes summit, to present a united front against russia's vladimir putin and to try to deter him from further escalating his unprovoked war in ukraine. this comes exactly one month after the russian invasion. the president was greeted, we just saw the images there, by nato secretary general stoltenberg, just a short time ago, speaking right there on your screen, and there was a family photo and the meeting, the extraordinary meeting at nato, called just a week ago, will begin at any moment now. the press will be allowed to take photos at the top and then the doors will close. the leaders will be behind closed doors, president biden will deliver remarks and ukrainian president zelenskyy
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will make a virtual address. this meeting of world leaders is named an extraordinary summit and indeed an extraordinary trip for this president. by the end of today, he will have attended a trio of meetings, nato, g-7 and eu, and unprecedented summits, as world leaders answer the call that this time demands. as the "washington post" reports, there is however an emerging divide within nato, when it comes to how to respond to russia. do you keep vladimir putin guessing? or do you outline precisely what it would take to draw nato into this conflict? joining us now, live from brussels, white house bureau chief for the "washington post," and msnbc political analyst ashley parker. ashley, good morning. thank you so much for being here. certainly we're watching as the president entered nato there talking to secretary general stoltenberg, soon to sit down, and meet with other leaders. as the morning goes on. no exaggeration to say this is a
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defining moment for president biden. what is the president's mission today and how can he get all of the allies on to the same page? >> so this is a trip that came together, basically in two weeks' time. it was incredibly important for president biden to do this. and one of the real success stories of his administration, and one of the silver linings of this devastating war between russia and ukraine, has on the whole been how the united states has really taken a leadership role in holding nato and the western alliance together against russian aggression, in terms of sanctions, and a much more forceful response than the kremlin was anticipating. but as you mentioned in your introduction, there are some fissures and some splits in nato that really come down to this idea of strategic ambiguity, and some frustration with the united
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states, for sort of very clearly, before the invasion began, and then throughout this war, laying out certain things they absolutely will not do. for instance, putting u.s. combat troops on the ground, in ukraine. not enforcing a no-fly zone. as president zelenskyy has requested. and president biden has said, the white house press secretary jen psaki has said, the u.s. does not want world war three, but there is some sense by making it so clear, it has emboldened putin, that there are certain red lines he can go over, because no matter what, the u.s. will not want to cause world war three so that is one of the things they will be talking about today. >> to provide a little recap for those tuning in, we came on a few minutes earlier today because the president has arrived at nato which is an extraordinary day of diplomacy for this president, amid russia's invasion of ukraine, and he arrived in brussels last night, we're looking at images taken yesterday evening, after
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air force one touched down in belgium, and he in turn stayed at the ambassador's residence and now at nato for the day. and ashley, you just mentioned the idea of sanctions, and you and your colleagues, the "washington post," have some new reporting about new sanctions that are expected to be announced over the next day or so, detail those, if you will, and what, walk us through this dilemma, there's been, this has been a no shortage -- i mean deserve stating in the way of economic sanctions placed on putin and russia and yet they didn't deter him from going in. certainly they're impacting his economy now. is there a real sense that further sanctions might get him to change his mind? >> well, there's a real sense that further sanctions are coming, and in part you're right, it didn't deter putin but there has been a real sense of surprise expressed by russia, including a bit publicly, about how forceful and how harsh the western response was, and that is a pressure that the
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