craig melvin picks up with more news right now. and a good thursday morning to you. craig melvin here. our eyes are on europe and what the nato leaders call the biggest war in ukraine. any moment president biden will head to the european council where he will hold a bilat rahal bilateral summit. earlier ukraine's president zelenskyy addressed nato virtually. president zelenskyy made a major

claim during his address that russia has used phosferous bombs, meant to set fires and cause burns. zelenskyy did not provide evidence in his address. we have reached out to the kremlin. we have not heard back just yet. earlier, ned price weighed in. >> is this act an escalation by russia? >> we're going to take a close look at these allegations to determine what has transpired. we have escalated our response against russia. >> if russia escalates further? what the u.s. and nato do? the white house has set up a

team of national security officials to plan for what happens if russia does, in fact, use chemical or biological weapons. meanwhile, in ukraine, on the ground, gabe gutierrez spoke to one mother who just got out of the besieged city of mariupol with her young child and she shared some dramatic new video. listen. [ explosions ] >> she tells the child "don't cry, run fast." let's get to our reporter and experts. kelly o'donnell is traveling with the president. kelly is in brussels. richard engel remains at his post there. our chief foreign correspondent is in the capital of ukraine, in kyiv. bill taylor served as ambassador to ukraine for 2006 to 2009,

acting ambassador for ukraine from june of 2019 to january of 2020 and also back with me, ulia mendel. kelly, we know that president biden is going to be leading to meet with the president of the european council soon. what do we know at this point about the meeting that just wrapped or is perhaps still on going, the leaders of nato? >> well, they've had a series of meetings today, this includes some overlap. you have the nato countries more focused on the european leaders here, g7 countries. you have leaders sharing the same concerns to have been a port of the discussions over the last month, who have been in the meetings and in person trying to find out the best ways to respond at this point, one month into this conflict.

and part of the discussion is what to do about next steps. if vladimir putin escalates with not only the phosphorous claims but this there are chemical or biological weapons used, if there are apartment buildings, houses, children, how do they respond to that? and the larger question, any spillover into nato and how do they deal with that? part of the conversations will deal with the military questions of how to provide more help to ukraine, how to fortify the nato countries on the eastern flange and humanitarian questions on how to deal with refugees fleeing ukraine, the support they'll need now and a long time to come and trying to stop putin by putting tighter controls on his finances. we've seen today the u.s. is

enacting more sanctions and that will go at some of the prominent russian citizens, members of the duma, their legislative branch, defense companies and so forth and also discussions about how to block any work arounds that russia may be able to do with existing sanctions, things involving commodities like gold, trying to block any transfer of gold as an asset that could be converted to the financial strange that putin could use to financial this war. it's looking for ways to build a greater interconnection of the sanctions that have been enacted, not only by the united states but other countries, too, that have different concerns and different interests. that's part of what these conversations are about. so much of it is about the personal diplomacy that president biden is able to do by actually being here and talking with laersd in person to see what are they prepared to do next. craig?

>> we see video from earlier again, that nato meeting, president biden spending time with france's president macron. mr. engel, this claim from president zelenskyy in his address to the nato leaders in russia that russia has used these phosphorous bombs. we did not verify this. he did not provide evidence in his speech. but you are on the ground in ukraine. what are you seeing and what are you hearing these hours? >> reporter: the allegation was that russia used white phosphorous. i've seen video suggests strongly was used. it is a controversial weapon. it is banned to use directly against civilians. it can be used as a smoke screen, as an incendiary weapon

out in the open to protect soldiers in battle but to drop it directly on a town or city or target civilians would be illegal use of it. not con fourmed, but the video suggest it is may have happened. that is one of the types of russians that russia would have used it. they are having more devastating effects with their conventional weapons, artery and rockets, especially in mariupol. the ukrainians scored a relatively minor victory in that they claim to have destroyed a russian ship in the port of berdyansk, apparently bringing in resupplies for russian soldiers. as we talked about for the last

month, the russian advance has been slowed and stalled because of a lack of supplies. many russian troops were told this would be a quick operation, hours or days, they would be greeted as military leaders and as special operations and russian law dictates that it must be called or face up to 15 years of prison would be a quick and victorious military campaign. it has proven to be just the opposite. it is becoming a quagmire for russia as russian troops are being push back in some cases and kyiv. they say because of the russian military setbacks here around kyiv, the focus of the russian military assault is increasingly toward the east, closer to the russian border and closer to the southeast around the city of mariupol. >> we were just showing some

video of that ship that you referenced on fire. before that. richard, there was this video of you from a woman who appears to be badly burned, injured, i believe, by shattered glass. what more can you tell us about that woman and what happened. >> reporter: so that woman, if you remember several days ago there was an apartment complex here in kyiv that was attacked. many complexes have been here here in kyiv and in other cities. this attack happened around 8:00 in the morning, an apartment compound centered around a large playground and courtyard with apartment buildings radiating out from it, also a supermarket, a school and a kindergarten were all badly damaged, many homes

were hit. she was just up in the morning, her name is victoria, and she was having her first cup of coffee in the morning and then suddenly the explosion happened right outside of her window. the window became glass shrapnel. it slashed her face and upper body and she was in the hospital now recovering and she told us how her life has been so upended in a moment's notice, how she's feeling physically a little better than she had been right after the attack but that she's still psychologically traumatized. she has pan uk attacks when she thinks about what happens and she wants justice. she says she wants to see russia lose this war and she wants to see, quote, evil-doers punished. that is the sentiment overwhelming in this city. people are confident that they've made it that far, that after one month of battles, they

are still standing. but like the stages of grief, soon anger sets in and i think you're seeing that here. a bit of disbelief, a bit of grateful -- a bit of thankfulness they have made it this far but also a tremendous amount of anger they want the russians to lose this war and lose it badly. >> richard engel for us in the capital of kyiv. be safe and thanks again. mr. ambassador, i turn to you now because, again, we're learning that the white house has set up a team of national security officials to plan for, to make contingencies for what would happen if russia uses chemical or biological weapons. what say you, mr. ambassador, or all of nato do if that happens? >> it's a hard question and it's

a question the government doesn't want to give a definitive answer to for reasons we can all understand. we want to maintain some flexibility, but we're looking at options. and the options ought to be -- ought to include -- we've said we're going to respond and the response options may well include some move to protect civilians, move to have humanitarian corridors or humanitarian spaces where people could go to be sure that they're not attacked by these chemical weapons or biological weapons or indeed nuclear weapons. a more active phase, response, to these weapons. clearly the united states and nato are looking at options that will bring costs. if the russians decide to take this decision, bad decision -- another bad decision.

the decision to invade was a blunder, hundreds have died and tens of thousands have already died. that's a horrible mistake putin has made but if he makes another one to use these weapons, then there will be responses and the options are there. >> your former boss told nato leaders they needed to increase their support to ukraine and he also had some pretty pointed criticism for nato as well. and i want to play just part of it. >> translator: after such a war, please, never tell us what our army doesn't meet nato standards. it is an effective and strongest defense alliance of the world and the world is waiting and ukraine is waiting for

reactions. >> there he is, taking the north atlantic treaty organization to task, suggesting that nato has yet to show what the alliance has shown to save people. were you at all surprised he was so forceful in those remarks? >> craig, i think that president volodymyr zelenskyy point out the bureaucracy of nato country prevails against effective response. the information is that the u.s. again rejects to providing fighter planes, fighting jets to ukraine. and as i know, poland was thinking about having a peacekeeping mission to ukraine to provide help with establishment of humanitarian corridors and even so partial no-fly zone zone as a

humanitarian measure before areas that have been really heavily destroyed and bombarded by russia. right now that decision are not taken and we know that the u.s. plays really critical in that. so while president zelenskyy understands we are losing not hundreds, we are losing thousands of people every day and many of them are civilians. so he is looking and calling for much more effective decision and faster decisions to be made so that the people of ukraine stop dying and this is the major thing that he continues to push as the leader of the country. >> the united states today announcing it's going to accept 100,000 refugees from ukraine.

3.5 million have fled so far. the lion's share are in poland so far, when you heard that we were going to expedite the process for 100,000 refugees, did you think that was enough? >> thank you, craig. actually, i think this is a good decision to be made. in fact 10 million people who left their homes, some are refugees and internally displaced and many countries tried to simplify the process and manage life as a refugee and the crisis. on the other hand, we've got the latest information today that say that 95 of ukrainians want to come back home. it's not like they want to establish their lives abroad. they really are looking forward to finishing the war. i think that 100,000 is a good first step to make and let's see how it will go, how the war will go. i've heard that the u.n.

diplomat today said he is expecting in 15 days this military conflict will have some kind of a result. i don't know where he got this information from. but this shows that everybody is looking for fastest solution ending of this war. so maybe there will be no necessity to provide shelter for more ukrainians but if it's needed, the diplomats of the countries will be asked to help more ukrainian refugees, at least for the time. as this invasion drags on, the longer it goes, does that benefit the ukrainian -- the possibility of the ukrainians being victorious, whatever that means right now? or the longer it drags on, does that benefit the russians?

>> craig, the longer it drags on, the more people die and this is in no one's interest. the ukrainians have fought briefly and fought off this russian invasion. think about what president zelenskyy said to the nato allies. one, he didn't ask for nato membership this time. he didn't ask for a no-fly zone this time but when he did ask for, even more important, are security guarantees. security guarantees from the united states and from germany, from britain and from russia. that's a very significant move, craig and that's something we should consider as we're thinking about this going forward. >> a big thanks to all of you on this thursday. and again, in just a few minutes, we expect president biden to sit down with the president of the european

council. that's his next stop there in brussels. we will bring that to you live when it happens. one issue they could be talking about, adding more u.s. troops to nato countries near ukraine. i.e., poland. four sources telling nbc news that president biden could announce plans to permanently increase those troop numbers. we'll break that down in a few moments. we've also reached the last day of supreme court nomination hearings for ketanji brown jackson. n hearings for ketanji brown jackson. d. that's right, robert. and it's never too early to learn you could save with america's number one motorcycle insurer. that's right, jamie. but it's not just about savings. it's about the friends we make along the way. you said it, flo. and don't forget to floss before you brush. your gums will thank you. -that's right, dr. gary. -jamie?

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right now president biden is heading into the second big part of his day, meeting with the president of the european council after a summit with nato leaders this morning. a big part of that summit focused on nato's troop presence along the eastern flank, which borders ukraine. in a statement president biden noticed that nato is now deploying four new battle groups across bulgaria, hungry, romania and slovakia, as you can see there. the president's statement also said the leaders will, quote, develop plans for additional forces and capabilities to strengthen nato's defenses.

courtney kube is in norway, where nato troops are also training. courtney is getting an exclusive look at their training. and also with us is clint watts. in norway you're seeing troops working with finland. those two countries not a part of nato but are still working to th together. explain what's happening there. >> reporter: we spent time with the norwegian military all this week. today we were with the swedish and the finnish. they're not a part of nato but they have a close relationship with nato allies and have been a part of this exercise for years now. as the enemy, they are acting as the invading force. the idea is they have invaed norway, nato has invoked article

5 and they have moved in to help this country. today we saw the enemy. and then we were with the u.s. marine who were planning a counterattack. the fictional enemy doesn't have a real name but the reality is everyone who we're talking here, the enemy we're describing sounds like russia. they have air defense systems, tanks, the same things we've been watching russia use in the invasion of ukraine. and the way that the nato members who we are talking to here, yes, this is an exercise but the reality is it comes as a back drop of russia invading ukraine, is taking on a whole new meaning. they're learning to work together as nato allies but learning to operate in this arctic environment. it's cold, the wind is blowing

and they're learning how their machines and equipment operate in these kinds of environments. we saw just last week how dangerous the weather can be. an osprey crash killed four u.s. marines, the officials say that the weather was extremely bad that day. >> my goodness. let's talk about what's happening on the ground in ukraine. we've seen ukrainian forces pushing russian forces back from kyiv. how have they been able to do this? what are they doing? >> that's right. kyiv, we've went from talking about a stalling convoy to hear the russians move to this area, in and around urpine. and we've also seen a hostage situation. the russians have struggled in here. they make some small bhuchlts you've seen the ukrainians move

right back in and do counter-offenses. they know these towns. the russians who come in do not know this town. separately all the way out here in these western corridors and to the northwest, we're seeing the ukrainian military pull operations in the rear area of the russians. the russians cannot hold their own territory, which impacts their own supply line. the russians are putting out structures and mine fields. this is not an army that is advancing. that means they're, which is really important to watch is this area here, the russian

military claiming they have encircled izyum. if the russians can not link up these two lines, they're in real trouble. down here in the south you've seen in mykolaiv, the russians get stopped by the ukrainian military. there's a shocking article about hundreds of russian bodies and soldiers just stacked out here where they've taken such combat losses. the russians you can see just and the real battle is here in the east. if you ukrainian military can hold off in and and around isam and they may stop -- the third

thing is russian troop resupplying go, after syria, other allies, tried to bring in mercenaries. if they can't get that back in here, they won't be able to advance. >> really quickly, in the simplest of terms act so far so overperform by most measures? how have they been able to do it really quickly? >> it's about weapons, manpower and morale. they're playing in their own defensive positions. you have an advantage in the dpeeps. when you look at the javelin, the stinger, incredible devastation against these convoys. and they're on the upswing. they have successfully staved off what was thought to be -- when you look at the casuals for the russians, morale is down. i think they're wondering do they want to be the last

soldiers to die in a fight that the russians are probably going to lose in. >> presumably morale for people who are fighting for their homeland and liberty of their lives, versus invaders who are scratching their heads, wondering why they're even there. and courtney kube, thank you. we expect to see president biden in brussels this hour. the president meeting with the european council president after nato meetings this morning. we're going to bring you all the latest from there. first, though, it is the final day of confirmation hearings for judge ketanji brown jackson. we're going to check in on what we have seen and heard so far today. senator from texas there appears to be doing some questioning.

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hill where the judiciary committee in its fourth and final day of confirmation hearings for supreme court nominee ketanji brown jackson. today the committee is hearing from outside witnesses, including representatives from the american bar association. a number of character witnesses expected as well. judge jackson, we should note, not there today. these are folks that are simply speaking on her behalf, if you will. nbc's ali vitale covering the hearings for us. the chairman hopes to move her nomination to the senate floor april 4th. what is happening today? has it been anything like the circus and side show like it was yesterday? >> no and i think there was a point of relief from yesterday.

many were very upset. after the line of lindsey graham yesterday came out to my camera and immediately started talking about how he felt those questions were out of line and beyond the pale. and speaking to the larger moment here politically talking about this institution and how even though judge jackson is likely to be confirmed, he felt that it was a sad day for the senate politically because of the way that those hearings sort of went off the rails at different points both with senator lindsey graham's questioning, as well as senator ted cruz and others. i will say today and we've heard several senators talks about this as a moment that allows it, because of the external validateors speaking about judge jackson, we heard people from the american bar association talking about the allegations that are unfounded that have been debunked from the

republicans supports, specifically being soft on crime. senator durbin asked did you ever see of that happening in judge jackson's record? and they said there was no sign of that whatsoever. her qualifications have been on display throughout the 23 1/2 hours of questioning she endured between tuesday and wednesday. in terms of what happens next, though, craig, let me chart the path for you how this will shake out on the senate floor. we'll have on monday the first senate meetings the marcum around her nomination. then we'll move the following monday, so over a week from now to the the full judiciary committee voting and that will put her on the full senate floor. durbin has laid out there before friday april 8th timeline. that's because the senate goes

out on recess for about two weeks after that. they want to do this quickly, they are on schedule to do so so far. but that's really how it's going to break down in the next two weeks or so. >> ali vitale, outside the room where this is happening for us. thank you. right now parts of the south under states of emergency. at least 64 tornadoes have sliced through entire neighborhoods from texas to alabama since monday. the national weather service suggests that the storm that hit new orleans tuesday, one of those storms of an ef-3, that means a storm with wind speeds between 158 and 206 miles per hour. the storm really cut through an 11-mile stretch of new orleans. officials say a 25-year-old man was killed when that tornado lifted his home off the ground and essentially slammed it down

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entities, oligarchs as well. i want to bring in peter baker he knows russia well, chief white house correspondent for the "new york times," msnbc political analyst now but in his previous life he lived there in russia and covered that country for some time. mr. baker, always good to have you. letters start with the new sanctions. they target russian defense companies and hundreds of members of the largest financial institution in russia. we've seen another round of sanctions targeting oligarchs. any reason to expect these sanctions are going to make more of a difference with vladimir putin? >> well, look, they're just the latest turn of the screw to keep the pressure on russia. if you sanction members of the russian parliament, it's unlikely they have a lot of assets in the west and they don't really care too much about traveling to europe at this point. nobody in the russian leadership expects they're going to be able

to travel to the west. so those are kind of symbolic. the defense company a little more important. but most of these ties have begun to unravel even without the sanctions. russia is cutting itself off from the rest of the world, the rest of the world increasingly pulling out of russia economically. these are one more step in a series of actions that continue to show russia there are consequences for what's going on and because of its actions it has chosen to disentangle itself from the outside world and they'll pay a price for it. >> "add russia stalls in ukraine, dissent brews." it goes on to say the former colonel in russia's f.s.b. intelligence agency said in a video interview posted online on monday that russia had made a catastrophically incorrect

assessment of ukraine's forces. what does it say that we're starting to see prominent russians speak out publicly against the conflict? >> i think the sign of just how badly things are going and within at least the elite circles in moscow, they know it. they're seeing the body bags come home, the slow progress, if any progress on the ground in ukraine. they expected shock and awe and what they've gotten is shock themselves. one of my colleagues in moscow quoted somebody close to the kremlin, an ally for years, saying the expectation had been when they went in that 30 to 50% of the ukrainian army would switch sides. that hasn't happened, nothing close to that. the russians completely miscalculated here. they thought they would bele welcomed. they are no the welcomed. they have been humiliated on the battlefield and there are cracks in the otherwise monolithic

russian army. there were people around putin who believed this was a bad idea, this was a foolish, foolhardy mission on his part but didn't tell him, didn't feel they could tell him, were afraid of him. that's a scenario that recalls the soviet days when the leaders were not open to contrary information. putin has made that decision without that advice and people around him are beginning to finally slowly express what they didn't say before the invasion. >> some things are universal. thank you, sir. thanks for the insight. thanks for the analysis as always. we continue to keep a very close eye on brussels this morning. president biden expected to be meeting with the president of the european council. any minute now we'll bring you updates from there. first i'm going to talk to the founder of a group that helped

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so, imagine this, you are a doctor and get a dual head to ukraine. an american journalist is severely injured and it's your job to help get him out. that is precisely how one trauma surgeon and navy veteran described his exeperience rescuing fox news correspondent in ukraine from behind enemy lines. >> i looked at him and said ben, you don't know me. i'm a physician. i'm here to get you out. he said when do you want to get out? we're going to get you ready in about 20 minutes and figure out how to get you out of here. >> sarah is the cofounder and board member of save our allies. the group that made that rescue happen. sarah, and i know some of the suckject matter is sensitive. sob with i'll preface the conversation with that.

can you walk us through what happened when you got the call getting benjamin hall out? >> [ inaudible ]. >> sarah, you're muted. >> i'm so sorry. goodness, i should be better at this. thank you for having me. save our allies is made up of special operations and intelligence community veterans who have a heart to go in and do the right thing, even when the u.s. government can't necessarily do that in an official capacity. as you saw the clip, incredible trauma surgeons renowned for their experience from previous conflicts. when we got the call that benji hall was trapped and needed help, it was a great multinational effort between our group, save our allies, the u.s. government, and our ukrainian and poland allies and friends in the special operations

community. they moved heaven and earth to mike this happen and we're so grateful to see that come together collaboratively. >> this is not the first time you've done it. i know we can't get into specifics but you guys have done this before. >> we've done this before. we were stood up in august after watching the horror and devastation of what went on in afghanistan and being from the military veteran community and seeing the hearts of service wanting to go in and do the right thing for our combat interpreters, war-time allies and we evacuated more than 17,000 people from afghanistan and that mission continues as we have the ground teams in ukraine. benji is a public example of the hard work and rescue our team does every day. but there are other stories like that whose names and faces may never be told but america rest easy knowing such heroes are grateful for journalists who continue to report the real news in real time and put themselves in harm's way.

whatever we can do for the global effort, we are there for. >> how can you tell us he's doing. >> i can tell you i'm a wife of a catastrophically wounded veteran. two of his colleagues were killed in that incident. benji was very gravely injured. i've been in frequent touch with his wife. he is receiving fabulous care in germany right now and he's on his way for follow-on care in the u.s. pretty shortly in the near future. he's got a road ahead of him. but he's a fighter, his wife is a fighter. their three daughters, they're a strong family and i know what is to come is going to be difficult but he has the thanks and spourt of our nation and many who wish him the best in his recovery. >> and including this journalist and so many others. sarah, thank you for continuing

to do god's work. i know you're heading to the ukraine area after the interview, literally. >> 20 minutes. thank you, sir. >> and please keep it up. thank you so much. >> thank you for having me. >> folks, we have breaking news on this thursday before we go. the wife of a u.s. citizen working as a missionary in ukraine says that missionary has been abducted by russian troops in a phone interview with nbc news, she says her husband was kidnapped six days ago. she tells us that he is not been heard from in nearly a week. the u.s. state department says they are aware of the report but at this point the state department has no further comment. that's going to do it for me this hour. i'll see you back here this hour. "andrea mitchell reports" live from brussels starts next. repoe from brussels starts next. a nun. nucala reduces asthma attacks

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