. we are coming on the air with several breaking developments from nato. you watched it unfold here live. president biden speaking not too long ago with some significant headlines including on what would happen if russia were to use chemical weapons in ukraine. watch. >> we would respond. we would respond if he uses it. the nature of the response would depend on the nature of the use. >> the president's also announcing new sanctions on russia and really stressing the need for nato to stay united and stay standing firm against vladimir putin a month after the invasion of ukraine. >> the single most important thing is for us to stay unified, and the world continue to focus on what a brute this guy --

>> i'm hallie jackson with you in washington this afternoon. along with our nbc news team around the world. you see andrea mitchell who is posted up in brussels along with josh letterman. ali arouzi is in western ukraine. also in brussels is ashley parker, white house bureau chief for the "washington post." and msnbc senior political analyst. before we get to you all i want to break down some of the top takeaways from what the president said at that news conference in brussels not too long ago. first as just mentioned he warned that any use of chemical weapons would trigger a response in kind by nato. he didn't specifically say what the response would be, just that a response would exist. he also hinted about a potential visit to the ukraine border. when asked, this is interesting, when asked whether russia should be removed by the g20 his answer was yes. he went on to elaborate that he believed ukraine, if that didn't happen, should at least be allowed to attend. he put in place and announced these new sanctions targeting russia and said the u.s. would welcome up to 100,000 refugees from ukraine, something that our white house team, josh, i know you and folks have reported earlier in the day. andrea, let me turn to you here

because some of these headlines somewhat significant here from president biden. and i think the g20 one is interesting. how do you see that playing out? >> well, i think it's exactly what happened to russia after the -- they took over crimea. in 2014. they were kicked out of what was then the g-8. it became the g7 again. so that would be a suitable punishment according to u.s. officials. the problem might be that india would have a say as a member of the g20 as would china and could veto kicking russia out. and notably one of the things that was also said to me today by senator warner earlier in an interview is that we should be holding he said israel, india, and china accountable, particularly the democracies of israel and india, for not forcefully condemning -- condemning russia's invasion and attempting to straddle the issue

by saying they're going to be helpful here. that was interesting. so the g20 is not a done deal. but it's significant as you point out that the president said he's supporting, trying to isolate russia completely from these international bodies. >> andrea mitchell, i know you have to get going. we're glad to see you on the air with us. josh, let me turn to you because at the moment correct me if i'm wrong but i believe the president is as we speak meeting with the eu council now. right? >> that's exactly right. and that is an important meeting for the president. as he's working as you heard him say in that clip there, hallie, to try to keep this alliance together, to keep this unit that has been very impressive in the last month and has really created more pressure and punishment for president putin than a lot of observers had anticipated would be possible given the exposure that so many economies here in europe have to russia. the other challenges and concerns about providing military assistance to the

ukrainians. now, the goal is to make sure that that does not dissipate now that we're one month in. particularly as the biden administration has been getting frustrated about these constant questions about why are your sanctions not working, have they not been enough, when are you going to admit this strategy so far has failed to deter president put snin and if you rewind the tape a few weeks, the white house had been saying repeatedly that the point ever these sanctions was to deter president putin. vice president harris said it. jake sullivan the national security adviser said it. the pentagon said it. but today president biden changed his tune. take a listen. >> sanctions never deter. the maintenance of sanctions, the maintenance of sanctions, the increasing the pain and the demonstration, why i asked for this nato meeting today, is to be sure that after a month we will sustain what we're doing, not just next month, the following month, but for the remainder of this entire year.

that's what will stop him. >> reporter: and to the president's point there, hallie, the white house announcing today a whole new raft of sanctions that they hope will turn up the pressure even more, particularly over time, including slapping sanctions on more than 300 members of the duma, the russian parliament, dozens of russian defense companies, and the g7 also working with the u.s. to crack down on the ability of russia's central bank to use its gold reserves to prop up the currency as russia today opened its stock market under limited capacity for the first time since this war started. but the remaining question is are these sanctions going to do anything, even over time, to change president putin's calculus, make him want to choose a different course? and so far very evident there's no indication that that's happening, hallie. >> josh, stand by for a second. ali arouzi, let me go to you because you are on the ground there in western ukraine. i have to think that the president's sort of clear

declaration he believes that russia should not be in the g20 would certainly be welcomed to you can other rainian president zelenskyy and his cohort. >> certainly would be welcome to them. they're very grateful for all the things the u.s. is doing, providing armament, helping with refugees, helping with aid. but none of the officials here, none of the regular ukrainian people think enough is being done to help them. their main points they really want help on they haven't been given. you speak to any ukrainian, and i spoke to ukrainian military trainers today, they said listen, what we need is the airspace to be shut. we need those s-300 defensive systems. we need those tanks. and without that it's very difficult to counter the russians. as they said, they're very grateful for any help they can get but they need the momentum to really fight the russians in the air with those defensive systems because that's where the

russians have the superiority. as we've seen, the ukrainians are countering the russians on the ground. they're pushing them back in areas around kyiv where the russians have taken and now the ukrainians have pushed them back. but they just can't match them on the air. they can't match those russian missiles. and that's where they need more help than anywhere else and they're just not getting it. >> ali arouzi live for us in western ukraine. ali, i know you've got some more reporting to do. i'll let you go. ashley, let me turn to you because there are a couple of other pieces of information we heard from president biden in that news conference where you are in brussels. he alluded to the rest of his trip. we talked about how he did that news conference, he's now at this eu council meeting, and by the way we are watching what we can watch of that from the pool feeds live to see if he shows up in front of a camera. if he does we will bring it to you, of course. but then he travels to poland, ashley, and he sort of made this oblique reference to somebody he may see. and then he said i don't want to

say too much, et cetera, et cetera. i'm not asking you to blow up any spots you're not supposed to. but do we know anything about what that might entail, that visit? >> so we don't know all the specifics yet, as the president alluded to, but we do know a lot about that visit, which is that he's going to poland first and foremost because poland is the country that is bearing the largest brunt of the influx of the ukrainian refugees, and one of his stops there tomorrow, on friday, it has been described as refugee centric and with a focus on refugees. now, what is unclear and what we're waiting to find out is there was some sort of early rumors about him going somewhere near the border of poland and ukraine and doing a refugee stop. there are of course security concerns. that's not necessarily something the secret service wants him to do. but we do know the stop will involve refugees and -- that it

will involve refugees and that he will speak to humanitarian assistance experts. he will also speak to troops there in poland. then on saturday before departing he has a meeting with poland's president duda. >> josh, ashley mentioned the focus on refugees there comes as the president is announcing formally that 100,000 ukrainian refugees will be allowed into the u.s. the reporting from nbc news here has been -- the reaction so far, optimism from some of these refugee advocacy groups but also some skepticism that they're actually going to hit that number. this is a complicated process. >> it is. and the pressure has been building really since this war started a month ago, hallie, for the white house to do something substantial to make sure it's going to take in a number of ukrainian refugees, that this burden is not falling solely on the countries like poland and romania and the others that are on the border with ukraine. now, we don't know whether the u.s. is going to be able to hit that 100,000 number. we do know that the white house

is saying that that is not going to affect the cap of just over 120,000 that the u.s. has said it would take overall. and that's because some of these refugees are not going to be coming in through the traditional refugee program. the biden administration saying it will use immigrant visas, non-immigrant visas, the parole system, any way it can to try to get ukrainians who want to come to safety into the u.s. but the other reality here is many of these ukrainians who are fleeing their country right now, they want to stay as close as possible because they want to go home eventually and because for a lot of the women and children they have husbands, brothers, fathers that they left behind who are fighting in ukraine. they're not exactly trying to pick up and start a new life in the united states. they are hoping to be able to return quickly to a peaceful ukraine. >> ashley, quick final thoughts to you before i let you go. >> well, one thing i should mention is before president biden departs brussels tomorrow

he has one last stop where he will announce, and the post reported this yesterday, but a major initiative between the united states and europe to provide europe with shipments of liquefied natural gas. and the reason this is incredibly important is because europe, unlike the united states, is incredibly reliant and dependent on russia for energy. and so this is something the europeans have requested. this is something that could help ease their energy dependence on russia. and that in a moment of uncertainty in the gas and oil market, the time of the conflict with russia, would do a lot to give the europeans a bit of freedom from some of the economic consequences we're seeing reverberate through the world right now. >> ashley parker, josh lederman, both of you in brussels. one of you with better a live shot location than the other. thanks to you both. i really appreciate you joining us. coming up, we're going to talk more about what exactly a nato response to russia's chemical weapons usage if that happens would look like. plus my conversation with two of the senators you see here from both sides of the aisle about the u.s. response to the war. we'll also get a check on what

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it's back now. there he is. he's at the european union council meeting. this is from just a couple moments ago. you can see him shaking hands, talking with leaders there. as the president gets set for the next part of his agenda as he's on this overseas trip to brussels. i want to bring in a couple of folks who know this issue, these issues well. that's jim townsend, former deputy assistant secretary of defense for europe and nato, and haggar shemale is a former spokesperson for the u.s. mission to the u.n. and the treasury department. thanks to you both for being here. if we get that live shot back from president biden, so far it's been again, some hand shaking, some discussion, some sort of on the sidelines. we have not been able to hear what he said so far. that is i think probably intentional, keeping the cameras back. you can see moments ago some of that video. haggar, what does president biden need to do at this meeting? >> well, my hope is that the communications coming out of this meeting are going to be tough but also a little vague. and what i mean by that is that the communications coming out lately about reinforcing the

troops along the eastern border and the eastern front and noting and stressing over and over again that we will defend every inch of nato territory, i understand why they're making that statement. and i am not privy to intelligence that they may see as to whether president putin is threatening nato territory. but the message the way president putin hears it is oh, good, so that's the territory you're going to be defending, i can go to -- i can operate in ukraine without the threat of foreign military intervention and possibly other non-nato countries. so what i'm hoping comes out of this, first of all, we're definitely going to see continued unity. that is absolutely theme of this trip and very important. and i understand that. so sanctions, humanitarian aid, emergency military aid to president zelenskyy, and the unity behind that. but i hope that they're vague in terms of their response to possible escalation like use of chemical weapons so president putin feels there's an unpredictability there. >> jim, let me go to you because one of the things we heard from president bide thaen made some

news just in the last maybe 90 minutes or so was this idea that if russia were to use chemical weapons, and again, this is coming on the heels of president zelenskyy telling the nato summit this morning that he believes russia is using phosphorus bombs, not technically a chemical weapon. nbc news has not independently confirmed that. but the president said if russia were to use chemical weapons nato would respond in kind. he didn't get more specific. help us understand what that kind of response might look like. >> well, it was a very interesting statement to make. i think there's a lot of us who were listening saying i wonder how this is going to manifest itself. i think what it doesn't mean is that we would respond in turn with chemical weapons. that's not something the u.s. or the west would do. but i think there are pooh ways that we can push back on that kind of use. one thing we can say is we're going to open up a humanitarian corridor and we're going to provide protection for that humanitarian corridor into ukraine with aircraft and we're going to guard that.

and so that would be a push into ukraine with nato forces on a humanitarian mission. i think it's that kind of thing where it's got to be proportional. it can't be something where it's going to ratchet up tensions even more. something like a nuclear shot that we've heard about in the past. but it's got to be something to let putin know what he's doing is unacceptable and it's causing us to get closer in terms of doing things that he doesn't want to see, which is to see nato get involved in what's actually happening in ukraine. >> haggar, i'd be remiss if i didn't ask you about these sanctions as i know this is an area of particular expertise for you. josh lederman laid it out at the top of the show for us. but they're targeting the duma, 300-plus members of the duma, essentially russian lawmakers, defense companies, russian elites. your thoughts. >> it's certainly the first time the united states has targeted an entire legislative body.

even for the toughest sanctions regimes we have like north korea and iran we've never sanctioned every single legislator in their parliaments. it's a tough move in particular in regards to the defense companies. that's a big one. it's not the toughest that the u.s. has come out with since the invasion of ukraine. but it's the message again that they're trying to convey with this is the unity with europe. and that there's no daylight there and that together we're going to be taking these steps. what we really need to see obviously is steps regarding russia's oil sector from the european side in particular. and we know that those talks are ongoing. but showing that unity is important. >> jim, when you look at what's happening on the ground in uk raip the latest assessment from the pentagon continues to be and it has been for i want to say the last 24house hours or so, that ukraine has started to, at least anecdotally, seemed to be able to retake or tried to retake some of the territory that russia has had. in some instances their military remains mostly stalled. in others they are continuing

their horrific attacks on places like mariupol. how long do you think vladimir putin is willing to keep this up? >> i think he's willing to keep this up for a long time. i think he's doubling down. he doesn't feel right now the pressure to sit down and have any kind of meaningful talks with ukraine trierks to find some formula to get himself out of this mess. i think he feels he's still got possibilities on the battlefield. it could be the photos of the russian troops digging in around kyiv, it might be the thinking that they're going to dig in, they're going to hold what they've taken, they're going to resupply, they're going to bring in fresh roopz and they're going to start it over again. so i think right now while it looks like it's a stalemate or looks like there are some advances by the ukraine forces on the other side, that might not be the way putin sees it. putin might see it as an opportunity to bring in fresh troops and to do it over again, maybe using other tactics.

but he will continue to attack those cities. there's no doubt about that. >> haggar chemali, jim townsend, it's good to have your expertise on a day that's been busy with a lot of developments. we'll keep you up to date with what's happening in the eu council meeting. if president biden speaks we'll show it to you. we've also got news coming in this afternoon on the multimillion-dollar lawsuit former president trump just filed against one of his former political foes. that's coming up. foes that's coming up people with moderate to severe psoriasis, are rethinking the choices they make like the splash they create the entrance they make, the surprises they initiate. otezla. it's a choice you can make. otezla is not a cream. it's a pill that treats plaque psoriasis differently. with otezla, 75% clearer skin is achievable. don't use if you're allergic to otezla. it may cause severe diarrhea, nausea, or vomiting. otezla is associated with an increased risk of depression. tell your doctor if you have a history of depression or suicidal thoughts or if these feelings develop. some people taking otezla reported weight loss.

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the fbi including james comey. it's christopher steele and the people behind the fusion gps document, the so-called steele dossier that was later discredited. so it's basically any grievance that donald trump ever had against his opponents all packaged up as a lawsuit. what it says is they all coordinate -- there was a coordinated effort to destroy mr. trump's political career and impede his ability to effectively govern as president of the united states. now, i should say, hallie, that it's filed by an old friend of donald trump, a lawyer named peter tickton. peter tickton went to high school, the new york military academy with donald trump and he wrote a book about his experiences with donald trump as well. and i think we have a picture of the picture of the cover of that book. "what makes trump tick: my years in the military academy," which is essentially the high school for the president. that's the lawyer who has filed this lawsuit on the president's

behalf. and i suppose there's two ways of looking at it. on the one hand it's an attempt to turn what happens in a political campaign into a lawsuit. on the other hand it does say that some of the things that were done that were illegal, he says, such as wiretapping page during the campaign, which now it's universally determined to have been based on some false and misleading allegations that were made by the fbi, donald trump says that his communications in trump tower were illegally intercepted. so there are some specific allegations here that form the backbone of this civil lawsuit. >> can you at all, pete, and if this is not within your pursue at all tell me, handicap its chances moving forward? >> well, i think it's a stretch, but you never know. it's filed in florida. that's the first step. we'll see what happens. >> mark, let me go to you on the political piece of it and why the former president is dropping this thing now. >> yeah. a lot of the context, hallie,

has to do with the fact of the investigation by special counsel john durham and that trump and his people are trying to use that investigation to really discredit the mueller report. but also some other important context too hallie is in the 2016 election with you and i both ended up covering it was the democratic national committee that had its e-mails stolen by russian intelligence and sent to the media. same thing with john podesta, a senior campaign official for the hillary clinton campaign in the final month of that election. all of it ended up benefiting donald trump and his campaign with even donald trump during that campaign saying "i love reading those wikileaks out there." that is important from that 2016 history as the former president is making these allegations that it was the clinton campaign that was really conspiring against him. >> pete, before i let you go, just so i can cover my bases

here, i assume no response yet from any of the attorneys for the folks who are named in this suit? >> no. none yet. they will of course have to formally respond to the lawsuit. they'll undoubtedly seek to have it dismissed. but we're several weeks away from that yet. >> pete williams, thank you so much for that. mark murray, while i have you let me shift topics to something else related to former president trump that we haven't covered yet on this program which is this decision to stop endorsing his ally mo brooks in the alabama senate primary. overnight -- or not overnight, last night i should say one of our colleagues vaughn hello-yard spoke with congressman brooks who told vaughn that basically the former president asked him just after labor day that he wanted another election to overturn the results of the 2020 election. mark, tell us more about what we know on that. >> yeah. and so hallie, this all comes from mo brooks, who ended up endorsing -- who was endorsed by donald trump, and that ended up getting rescinded by the former

president. and mainly because you end up having mo brooks said a thing in august 2021 rally where the former president ended up taking offense. but hallie, the main thing behind this is that mo brooks was struggling in fund-raising. a recent poll ended up showing he is trailing in that three-person race for alabama's senate. and as you and i know very well, the former president of the united states likes to brag about that endorsement win-loss record. well, all indications were that this was going to be a race that at very best was going to be up in the air for mo brooks. and i think that is the big context in why the former president ended up rescinding his endorsement of mo brooks. >> mark murray, thank you very much for being with us. appreciate it. turning back to what's happening in the building behind me here, after more than 33 hours of testimony the hearings to confirm a new supreme court justice have wrapped up. that's after senators today heard from some outside witnesses including experts from the american bar association as well as witnesses called by

democrats and republicans to speak to judge jackson's qualifications or disqualifications, depending on their view. all of it putting the process one step closer to a committee vote and then a full vote in the senate that would make judge jackson, if she is confirmed, the newest supreme court justice. here's the timeline, right? it's looking like the judiciary committee might vote april 4th and then the senate vote would come a few days later right before everybody heads out of town for a two-week easter recess. our senior capitol hill correspondent garrett haake has been monitoring all this. fill us in on what we may have missed today as we were juggling a lot with president biden overseas and this committee hearing. and talk about what you expect next. is this shaping up to be a party line vote? is there any hope the democrats could have of getting republicans on board? they don't need to, right? they've got the votes if they all stick together, and it seems like they will, to do this on their own. but walk us through the landscape. >> well, hallie, today's hearing was somewhat perfunctory and frankly poorly attended by senators. it included outside witnesses including the american bar association, by the way, who gave judge jackson its highest

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she's bound by the laws of the d.c. circuit court, but she can change the law. and she has a chance to make sentencing policy, so it's a different game. >> if you know how you're going to volt, why not just say so? >> because i'm going to tell the country when and on my terms. >> so hallie, basically everything lindsey graham has had to say about judge jackson the last couple of days has been negative. i think a vote suddenly for her here would be shocking. he as much as any kind of hung on the arguments about these child pornography cases she was involved in. also her defense of gitmo detainees. and all of those things were known before he apparently skipped the hearing and voted for her confirmation to be on the circuit court. >> we didn't include your question you asked lindsey graham but i thought it was a fair one, garrett. you made the point you just did. which is you knew all this stuff when you voted for her last time, right? so why is this coming up here? garrett haake, thank you for staying on top of this. i know it's going to be a busy couple weeks for you ahead.

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iowa and democratic senator kirsten jill brande from new york. they're just back from a bipartisan trip to poland and germany where they got i afirsthand look at the refugee crisis that is emerging and came home they say with more urgency when it comes to the congressional response. here's that conversation. >> senators, thank you for being back on the show. good afternoon to the both of you. >> good afternoon, hallie. >> hi, hallie. >> you are both just back i know from this bipartisan delegation to poland and germany. from what you saw and what you heard there and after what we heard today this announcement of new aid from ukraine, do you believe the u.s. is doing enough so far? >> well, i do believe the united states can always do more, and it was exciting to actually go over in this bipartisan delegation. my dear friend kirsten girl brande here was our democratic lead. i was the republican lead. ten united states senators showing our friends in nato the commitment from the united states. we did hear a number of voices

that would love to see more lethal aid, more humanitarian assistance, and i know that as congress we are ready and willing to help out however we can. >> i think that president biden's presence in europe today and tomorrow is essential, i think the fact he's been able to have three summits with european and nato leaders is really important because we want to have a firm stance against russia. we want to have a solid wall of support for the ukrainians when it comes to lethal aid, when it comes to humanitarian assistance, when it comes to helping the refugee crisis. senator ernst and i and the other senators were able to visit with some of these refugees who were streaming out of ukraine. more than half of ukraine's children have already left ukraine. they're going to have a refugee crisis of 10 million people either who have left the country or are displaced. so announcing that we will take 100,000 ukrainians is welcome

news because new york is the largest population of ukrainian americans in the country. so there's lots of families that want to be reunited. so i think senator ernst is exactly right. we want to do more. and we actually have outlined for the administration a number of ideas about what more we can do in terms of sanctions and what more we can do in terms of additional lethal aid. >> let me follow up on that issue of lethal aid. essentially basically more weapons. senator ernst, i know you've repeatedly asked for this. you signed a bipartisan letter asking the president to do just that, right? send this to ukraine. senator gillibrand, i don't think you signed that letter but do you believe there should be more lethal aid provided to ukraine at this point? >> yes. in fact, senator ernst and i just authored a letter having come back from this trip that we are now getting signatures on for the white house. that is going to be widely bipartisan and we'll ask specifically for more lethal aid. when we met with four female advocates for russia -- excuse me, four female advocates from

ukraine from civil society about what they need to defeat russia, what they need to win, it was a very thorough list. more javelins, more stingers, more anti-aircraft and other munitions. a lot of the money we've already put aside, the $14 billion, can go to purchase that -- those armaments that are needed. but we wanted to make sure that the white house understood the urgency, that it's a matter of days. when these advocates asked us for the help, they said look, we are fighting till the very last person in ukraine. we are never giving up. we want to win this war. and to do that we need the united states's help. this is a list of things we need. so you are o'goal is to make sure that moves quickly as well as making sure that there is a united front, that we talk about what we are going to do, not what we're not going to do. that we talk very positively about supporting the ukrainians' will to fight and will to win. those are things that we as

congress can do to support the administration. >> senator ernst, and let me ask you this because president zelenskyy in that address to nato this morning based on our reporting said russia is using phosphorus bombs. i have to note nbc news has not been able to independently verify this. we know phosphorus bombs are not technically defined as chemical weapons. but senator, if the u.s. confirms these weapons were used in your view does that cross a red line that might make you rethink for example a no-fly zone? >> it does. it's inching toward the point where nato, all of our prorz, and the u.s. need to discuss and have very difficult conversations about what happens should russia use chemical, biological weapons, what should happen if they use a strategic nuclear weapon. those are all issues that need to be faced by nato now so we know how to respond should that happen. if they do start using those types of weapons anywhere near a

border, certainly that could affect our nato partners. so we need to strategize now, know how to respond. i certainly hope that russia does not cross that line. now, we are in agreement that we do not want u.s. troops, we do not want nato troops engaging russians directly. that's why we're doing everything we can to enable the fight for the ukrainians to defend their own airspace as well as push the russians back on the ground. we'll do all that we can in that area, but we will have to have very hard conversations should russia start overstepping with any type of unconventional warfare. >> senator gillibrand, quickly let me ask you if you agree. do you believe if russia in fact used phosphorus bombs that would cross a rered line and make you reevaluate some of these things that have been off the table up until now? >> so up until now we have focused very intently on giving the ukrainians the tools they

need to be victorious, to stand ta literally push them back. if russia does cross these lines, it creates, as senator ernst said, an urgency of creating a framework in which we can analyze these issues and respond appropriately. we've been trying very hard to avoid the start of a world war. if you had a world war right now, it would result in millions of deaths almost instantaneously. it is not something that we ever want to have to do. and so strategically what senator ernst and for myself and the other senators on this codel believe is we want to do everything we can to forestall that. we don't want to have to get that far. but russia needs to understand how strongly we feel about these lines that shouldn't be crossed because when you start engaging in the use of nuclear weapons or

chemical weapons you have crossed a significant line of creating enormous humanitarian outcries. we believe that president putin and his generals have committed war crimes. the white house agrees. we need to create an ability to hold the president of russia and his generals accountable. part of our goal on sanctions is to tighten the noose around the elites in russia who are allowing president putin to make these horrible decisions that harm all of humanity. and so we're going to hold them accountable. that's why increasing sanctions is so urgent and essential and they have to be crippling for the individuals who are allowing putin to proceed. >> senators, i really appreciate your time on this. i know we've got to go but i have to ask you both about the other big news happening on capitol hill and that is of course the supreme court confirmation hearing of judge ketanji brown jackson. same question to both of you. some democrats had described the

tone of the hearing as distressing. i wonder if that is something -- an assessment that you share. senator ernst, i'll start with you, and then senator gillibrand. >> well, i don't sit on the judiciary committee. i have been able to watch clips on tv in between my meetings. however, i would say the tone is very much the same as what we have seen over the course of the last number of judicial nomination hearings, especially when it comes to the supreme court. i want to give kudos to chuck grassley who as the ranking member he's doing a great job sorting through all of this. >> senator gillibrand? >> i also do not sit on the judiciary committee, but there were some moments in the hearing that brought me great joy. i really appreciated senator booker's focus on this moment in history for america and how important this nomination is, to not lose sight of that joy and that accomplishment. i thought he really elevated the proceedings in the minutes that he had. and i'm very grateful for that. >> senator gillibrand, senator

ernst, thank you both for being back on the show on the heels of that trip overseas. really appreciate your time this afternoon. >> thank you. >> thank you, hallie. >> coming up after the break, how classroom culture wars are in some ways reshaping the political landscape. our kate snow investigates in a minute.

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across the country fights over education has become in many way it is front line of the culture wars starting as a debate over masks and then class, gender, the rights of parents and coming a head in florida where you know that the legislature passed a couple bills to restrict classroom conversation. they're expected to be signed into law by the governor. kate snow recently travelled to brevard county, florida, recently to report on this. talk to us about what you heard from parents on the reporting trip. >> it is really interesting. brevard county, the school board meetings are anything but calm.

people describe those meetings now as a circus or a show. other people say it is passionate people expressing the rights as parents but contentious for the reasons that you mentioned. the button issues come into play, sometimes from the outside and brought into the county and i spoke with the board chairwoman, been there eight years and technically nonpartisan and said things are so out of control it is hurting the staff. take a listen. >> you had a meeting in october where you had to literally kick everybody out. >> we will clear the room. >> we did. the audience started to get very loud and reaching the point of unsafe. >> she is worried about the impact on teachers and administrators. >> i am serving 9,000 people

that pour the heart and soul -- sorry. >> what upsets you? >> our people are getting beat up. and there is no more noble job and you won't find a group more committed to our kids and they are fallout in all of this unfortunately. >> they are fallout. i heard that from parents. this is dividing the community and there are essentially two big groups. one is moms for liberty who lost a seat after campaigning for no masks in schools. started moms for liberty. and then parents leaning left that formed in reaction called families for safe schools. >> i know we can watch more on "meet the press reports".

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hi there. it is 4:00 in new york. i'm chris jansing in for nicolle wallace. it is an intense and urgent day of diplomacy for president biden with three summits to rally western allies against vladimir putin and the invasion of ukraine. at a press conference hours ago the president slammed vladimir putin calling him a brute and he announced new steps including sanctions that target more than 400 russian individuals and businesses and plans to take in up to 100,000 ukrainian refugees. but looming over everything mounting concerns that russia will resort to chemical or biological weapons in ukraine. >> do you have specific intelligence that vladimir putin is moving the weapons into use and would the u.s. or