thanks for watching. "the reidout" with joy reid is up next. here's joy. >> good evening, everyone. we begin "the reidout" tonight with a unified display of solidarity if brussels, where western leaders stood shoulder to shoulder in an extraordinary series of summits hosted by nato. the group of seven industrialized nations and the european union. >> we gather at the critical time for our security. we are united in condemning the kremlin's unprovoked aggression and ukraine's sovereignty. >> western leaders continued to roll out a series of measures to increase pressure on russian president vladamir putin. ukrainian president volodymyr

zelenskyy addressed the 29 members of the nato alliance and pleaded for a more robust response. >> translator: the ukrainian army has been resisting for a month. and i have been repeating the same thing for a month now, to save people in our cities, ukraine needs military assistance. without restrictions. we have shop what our standards are capable of, and how much we can give to security to europe and the world. how much we can do to protect against aggression, against everything we value, what you value. but nato has yet to show what the alliance can do to save people. >> the ukrainian president also accused russia of using phosphorous bombs, targeting civilians and children. u.s. defense officials say they cannot confirm those allegations. it is difficult to verify the reports without u.s. personnel on the ground. white phosphorous is not banned by law. the criminal spokesman said russia could consider using nuclear weapons if it felt there

was an existential threat on our country. joe biden warned that this could and would trigger a response. >> we would respond if he uses it. the nature of the response would depend on the nature of the use. >> according to "the new york times," the biden administration has also assembled a national security team called the tiger team to assess various responses if russia were to expand its war beyond ukraine or use weapons of mass destruction. in a first, nato leaders agreed to provide ukraine with equipment to protect against chemical, biological, radiological and nuclear threats and discussing the possibility of providing anti-ship weapons amid concerns russia will launch amphibious assaults. the nato secretary-general and joe biden warned china, meanwhile, against coming to

moscow's rescue. the leaders of poland and other countries bordering ukraine pressed the u.s. and fellow european countries to step up assistance with the growing refugee crisis to. that point, joe biden announced that the united states would welcome 100,000 ukrainian refugees with the goal of reuniting families. more than 3.5 million refugees fled ukraine in recent weeks, including more than 2 million to poland. with me now, former u.s. ambassador to nato, the president of the chicago council on global affairs, and we have the chief correspondent for pbs news. thank you for being here. i felt that in watching president zelenskyy's address to nato, he posed a question and a challenge that i think is legitimate to ask. if indeed nato is the strongest military alliance in the world, in effect, then why is it that they seem completely -- i won't say impotent, but they seem so

reluctant to act for fear of, you know, provoking vladamir putin? putin seems pretty well provoked and unpredictable. and the fact that they're even talking about the fact that he might launch up to nuclear or chemical strikes against ukraine shows that they know that he's unstable and unpredictable. is it contradictory then that nato takes all of this action to avoid provocation? >> well, clearly on the one hand, zelenskyy has every right, and if i were in his shoes, would do the same thing and ask for everything he could to help his country to defend itself, up to and including sending nato troops for that purpose. nato needs to make a calculation about the relative balance between helping ukraine and it is doing an awful lot in terms of sending equipment of all kinds, some of which we know about, some of which we don't

know about. providing intelligence information to help the ukrainians defend themselves, and they're doing a very, very good job at it. and on the other hand, do we want to have a direct confrontation between russia and the united states and nato? this is something since 1945, we have worked very, very hard to avoid having nuclear powers directly engaged in military confrontation. it's a big step. i think joe biden indicated, i think secretary-general stoltenberg indicated the discussions at nato suggest there are more serious thoughts about that step, particularly in response to the use of chemical weapons. but it's not something you do willy-nilly. there are more and larger interests at stake. including the very nato members today that are not at war. >> i take your point, absolutely. but this is the nato general

secretary. he was asked in two different arenas about the use of chemical weapons. first by andrea mitchell and then by lester holt. so take a listen. >> any use of chemical weapons would totally change the nature of the conflict. it will be a blatant violation of international law. and it will have wide ranging, severe consequences. >> do you take anything off the table when it comes to responding to chemical weapons? >> we are in a very dangerous situation. if i speculated about different options, i would only make it more dangerous and more unpredictable. my main message is we are there to protect and defend every inch of nato territory. >> i think the challenge that a lot of people have in watching what's happening, in the case of

the u.s. invasion of iraq, the u.s. went to the united nations and said we know they have chemical and biological weapons and we suspect they have nuclear weapons. we have to act to top them from acting. in the case of syria, we know for sure they used chemical weapons and used the most vicious tactics against the citizens of that country in order to preserve the bashar al assad regime. 10 when the world says it needs to take military action because we know that chemical or nuclear weapons are on the table, but in this case, with we say we can't do anything because they have chemical or nuclear weapons, it strikes a lot of people as hypocritical. i wonder if that's the way people in countries that have faced us or instances of russian aggression are seeing it. >> i think you are centering in

on the question that we who cover the white house and have been in touch with your peep officials have been honing in on. what would it take, where is the line? if there is so much concern about the use of chemical weapons and about the potential use of tactical nuclear weapons, where is the line? you heard the secretary-general say, of course we will respond. our follow up question is, and then what? how will you respond? there's a couple of things at play here. i'm so glad you raised the issue of sere yashgs because i don't think we talk -- syria, because i don't think we talk enough about the brutal bombardment that played out there, and the fact that the u.s. and the rest of the world failed to respond, even when the assad regime deployed those weapons. many argue that empowered putin.

so the questions we ask, where are some of those lines? we're starting to see only details come out now. the longer this conflict goes on, and the more u.s. and nato allies are forced to consider the potential actions here, some of those questions we continue to ask are starting to get details around hem. then you are providing those defensive weapons, and they draw very clear line between humanitarian aid and defensive weapons systems, anti-tank and anti-air systems they're providing, and offensive weapons, or the implementation and enforcement of a no-fly zone as we know president zelenskyy has continued to ask for. we see those as two different things, bringing the u.s. in direct conflict with russia. but we're starting to see some of those details come out. what happen it is there is a russian strike specifically on a nato convoy moving to supply

ukrainian troops? what happen it is there is a deployment of a chemical weapon and a radiological or biological chemical cloud drifts into nato territory, is that a violation? is that an attack on a nato territory, and does that trigger a response? to some degree, this is new territory for many of these leaders, because we are now seeing war on the european continent for the first time in 70 years. and these leaders were not in place the last time many of these issues were as front and real and imminent as they are right now. >> how does nato look at those questions? you know, there is now biden and others are talking about doing things like kicking russia out of the g20. fine, it doesn't seem logical, but that doesn't seem like

anything that would stop putin. he has been taught by the world that he can get away with increasing levels of thuggery, and it's only now that he's doing it in the heart of right that people say wait, there has to be something. but what would be the answer to those questions? nato seems to be mostly concerned about not escalating. >> i think that's all about to change. i think the kind of conversations that we heard in the last few days and that was taking place in the nato is starting to change the conversation away from what we want to, to what we might have to do. clearly, any direct attack, any missile, anything that ma falls nato territory raises the issue of an attack against one is an attack against all. and nato would have to respond in a variety of different ways, including taking out the systems that targeted, that launched the

missile or the airplane that struck nato territory. so that's one thing. you now have this conversation about chemical and nuclear weapons, and the two places you played, stoltenberg is not in a position to be out front of the nato members. he can't be where the nato members are. but he is indicated things are going to change. joe biden made it very clear, there will be a nato response, and the type of response depends on the nature of the use. my own view, this is personal, not where nato is yet, is that the certain kinds of chemical weapons used, certainly nuclear weapons used, should lead to the united states and nato intervening on behalf of ukraine to defend it, and to see that russia is defeated in ukraine. i think we're very close to that point.

we may be telling this to vladamir putin quietly. these are the kinds of things that are perhaps told and said quietly and not publicly. the purpose here, of course, is not for nato to get involved. the purpose here is to defer vladamir putin from further escalating. but if he does, clearly we have a very different situation, and it becomes necessarily for the united states, for nato to consider directly, militarily to become involved in this conflict. >> and i think that makes a lot of sense to me certainly. one final question gears a little bit. we see a crisis of refugees with women and children we haven't seen since syria. the syria movement of human beings fleeing that country, which was a mix of men, women, and children, it destabilize governments. it in part produced brexit.

are there conversations happening with european leaders now with the u.s. of how this refugee crisis is going to potentially impact the governments surrounding ukraine and the north atlantic alliance more broadly? >> i think you have seen a very clear difference in the way that people are fleeing instability and war and conflict, how they are become welcomed into neighboring countries versus how people who were fleeing the same characters, that they played no part in creating, were also welcomed. and that is a distinction worth making and pointing out, because there was an existing global refugee crisis before russia invaded ukraine. there were some 80 million displaced people around the world from a number of different nations, and we have just added

another 10 million people to that list, internally displaced and refugees. so there's more conversations about how to better coordinate. even if the war ended tomorrow, many of these millions of people still need help. >> and there will be an entire country that needs to be rebuilt. thank you both. up next on "the reidout," the numbers are staggering. more than half of all ukrainian children have now been driven from their homes. we'll get a live update. also, the treatment of judge ketanji brown jackson. and a former manhattan prosecutor who investigated trump says he believes trump is guilty of numerous felonies. plus, new reporting on jenny thomas and the dozens of text messages she sent her pen pal, mark meadows, to encourage him

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we are one month into russia's war in ukraine that's caused horrific humanitarian crisis. more than half of ukrainian children have been displaced. forced to leave their homes. according to unicef, 50 ukrainian children have become refugees every minute since the war started. this as russia continues to shell civilians, with the city of mariupol utterly destroyed. new drone footage shows a line of people waiting for humanitarian aid, with ukraine saying the russian military hasn't allowed a humanitarian convoy to enter mariupol for the third day in a row. more than 2700 people were able to evacuate the city today. but in a truly orwellian twist, "the washington post" reports a russia tv anchor blamed ukrainian nationalists for destruction in mariupol where

russian forces have unrelentingly bombarded the city. ukraine is accusing russia of detaining more than 400,000 ukrainian citizens, including 2,000 children, and deporting them to russia. russia also continues to hit the ukrainian capital of kyiv. but ukrainian forces have been able to push back the russian army from reaching the capital. and the ukrainian people remain resilient. in downtown lviv today, hundreds of flak jackets, sniper scopes and drones were loaded into cars headed for the eastern front, thanks to the lithuanian group called blue yellow. so we see the reports that russian forces have been pushed back from the capital. give us updates on the military movement of the russian onslaught on this country.

>> reporter: so it's sort of remarkable, right? a month into this war, a month that the ukrainian president didn't expect to happen or didn't want to spook people by saying it would happen, but ukrainian forces are finally on the offensive near the capital of kyiv, about 40 miles to the east, we understand there was this counterattack in the last 24 hours, and a number of russian vehicles, tanks, armored apcs were destroyed as the lines were moved back or ukrainian forces broke through. it's probably likely ukrainian forces will encircle a group of soldiers, increasing the number of pows ukraine has. the number of killed russian soldiers, 7,000 to 14,000, those are heavy losses. in response to, that it seems like russia is punishing the civilian population.

mariupol is starting to look like apealeppo in syria. you have citizens fighting every day for survival. the question fear hor nato and president zelenskyy is how to come about peace. president zelenskyy wants to talk. the question, though, is a month into this war, tens of thousands of russian soldiers on ukrainian territory, some now building defensive positions, what does that look like? does a peace agreement look like a cease-fire in the east? this is a country that is now fully statistics you had out, 4 million refugees and half the children of this country displaced. it is almost impossible to imagine. >> indeed it is. cal perry, thank you very much. always appreciate you. with me now, a member of the ukrainian parliament. i don't know if you were able to

hear what cal perry was saying in his report, but i wonder in your mind, with cities lke mariupol being destroyed, and nato meeting now to try to decide what they're going to do about it, in your view, as a member of the ukrainian government, what would peace even look like? >> well, first of all, it's devastating month of war that changed our lives. you mentioned mariupol. it's genocide what is happening there. i'm just very scared on a personal level every day to hear what actually is happening there. it's very hard to imagine that this actually is reality. but this is how our life looks like right now.

regarding the peace and what nato could do, whoa, we definitely understand that -- putin understands only the language of force and strength. so now it's the question of the military assistance. because without it, putin will just smile and continue targeting more civilians, ruining more lives. and definitely a high risk of nuclear and chemical weapons that he can use is increasing. so the question is, how do we stop putin? how do we end the war? and this is what the international cooperation needs to address right now very urgently, because we don't have time for more negotiations. of course, diplomatic is

important, but force is the language putin understands. >> i totally feel what you're saying. as somebody who is experiencing this nightmare every day yourself and your loved ones, i wonder as a member of the government of ukraine what do you think about nato at this point? does nato seem like a strong military alliance to you, something that would benefit ukraine to be a part of? >> well, we are not hiding anywhere saying we wish that nato could affect faster on many decisions. but at the same time, we see that nato has never been so united as it is right now. and let's be honest, this war is the biggest war in europe since the second world war. and i'm sure that the existential challenge for many international organizations.

we didn't have such challenges for many, many years. so this is now the moment of truth. and ability to rebuild the purpose and all the tools that can be used to make sure that tomorrow we have peace. >> if and when this ends, and it will end eventually, and it does feel like it will end with ukraine ultimately being victorious, because ukraine is the more valorous actor here and has the greater motivation, would you want ukraine to join nato? do you think that it would prevent a repeat of this in the future? >> well, i'm sure that a couple of months ago to the future that we have, that ukrainian army and ukrainian society is one of the

strongest in terms of how we are able to defend our land with all the tools that we have. but also on the human level and that resistance and strength and unity. i'm sure that will be central to the nato alliance. i'm sure that european security is not possible without ukraine. and i want to remind also that nato is -- and it's written in our constitution, so it cannot be taken away in any way. >> well, i don't remember who said it, so i apologize for not quoting the person by name, but when this is over, it may be that nato and europe want to

join ukraine, because there is no doubt ukraine is a strong people and very brave people. thank you very much. stay safe. up next on "the reidout," judge ketanji brown jackson demonstrated poise while facing the snarling, dog whistling republicans. and while their claims have been debunked numerous times, they are still attacking her. senator mazie honoro joins me next. e honoro joins me next furniture ...but with the business side... ...i'm feeling a little lost. quickbooks can help. an easy way to get paid, pay your staff, and know where your business stands. new business? no problem. success starts with intuit quickbooks.

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the supreme court confirmation hearings for judge ketanji brown jackson are now over. thankfully. today, the senate you dish rare committee heard from witnesses, including members of the american bar association, who all praised her qualifications. judge jackson did not appear today, but she was on capitol hill meeting with senators. at the same time, republicans continued their attacks. today, mitch mcconnell, unsurprisingly, announced he will not support judge jackson, as if he ever would have. and complained of what he called her lack of candor in responding to questions. now, although she didn't seem -- he didn't seem to mind the questions themselves with all the dog whistles that some of his colleagues opted to use. but through it all, she remained poised with a graceful temperament, even with moments like this one with the most

ridiculous person, senator ted cruz. >> do you agree with this book that is being taught with kids that babies are racist? >> senator -- i do not believe that any child should be made to feel as though they are racist or though they are not valued or though they are less than. >> a "new york times" best selling author points out, that seemingly unending pause from the judge illustrated how power and privilege work in america. she writes --

>> with me now, senator mazie hirono, a member of the judiciary committee. i want to thank you for senator cory booker came on and gave us light and a sermon and gave us life again, you gave me life, because your questioning, which is not something that you don't do in every situation, was the first sort of sane moment that day, other than john osoff being the adult in the room. this is senator hirono owning it. >> sense you became a legal adult, have you ever made

unwanted requests for sexual favors or committed any verbal or physical harassment or assault of a sexual nacher? >> i have not. >> have you ever faced discipline or entered into a settlement related to this kind of conduct? >> i have not. >> i want to ask you, i praised you for doing that. for me, the courts, i struggle with the supreme court, because it gets to the issues of how you and women can decide what to do with our bodies, when two of the six conservative members have been accused of sexual assault. so why do you ask that question, and is it related to brett kavanaugh or something else? >> i started asking that question before judge kavanaugh came before us. this is during a time when the

metoo movement was happening, and i didn't want the fact that women have had to endure this kind of assault and harassment. i didn't want that swept under the rug, because we did have a president who was a sexual predator. so i thought -- i've been asking that every nominee for years now. >> the thing is, clarence thomas and brett kavanaugh were accused of that. they -- if they were being honest, they would have had to answer yes. just as the different standards for men and women could not glaring, especially women of color. because if you, senator, had checked your phone to see my tweet, you would have been ridiculed utterly and people would have considered you an unserious person because you are

a woman of color. yet a man, ted cruz, literally got busted by an l.a. times photographer attacking judge jackson on purpose in order to get tweets, and then checking them. serving in that body, how do you deal with these glaring, glaring inconsistencies? >> fortunately, when those attacks were lodged against judge jackson, she handled herself so well, calmly, with dignity. i've been asked many times by reporters why do you think that people like cruz, why do they go on the attack? i say because they're running for president. let's be honest here. >> yeah. you pointed out, i thought it was also important in your questioning, the fact that josh hawley has voted to confirm men

to the federal bench who have almost identical sentencing records to judge jackson. that hypocrisy felt glaring to me. did it to you? >> definitely. that's why i brought it up, and why i asked judge jackson, do you think these judges have been sentening along the lines that you have that they are soft on child pornographers? of course the answer is know. they also attacked jackson for being -- you can call these things dog whistles. >> i want to show a picture to everyone before i let you go. this is a photo of judge jackson and her beautiful daughter from the hearing. the photo was taken by the first black photography fellow of "the new york times" d.c. fellow. we got a real joy out of listening to senator cory booker talk about what it meant to him

to see judge jackson in this position. and i wonder if you could close this segment by selling us, seeing that image of this incredible black woman, accomplished woman on her way to the supreme court, very likely, we hope, what did it mean to you? >> everything, because as the hours were on, and she kept getting attacked in an unfounded way, it came home to me how important she will be on the supreme court, the kind of diversity she brings to the court is so important. after corey did his incredible affirmation affirmation, i told my colleagues to shut up and go home. so i have this lovely picture of us hugging each other. when corey did his affirmation, as i call it, as far as i'm concerned, there was not a dry eye in the house. it certainly brought tears to my eyes, to know that this talented, committed woman, black

woman, strong, black woman was going to be on the supreme court. >> when the first asian american justice gets on the court, i want you to come back on here. all we're going to do for the whole segment is look into the camera and tell josh hawley, deal with it. the world is changing. senator mazie hirono, thank you very much. up next, guilty of numerous felony violations. that is the assessment of one of the manhattan prosecutors who investigated donald trump for fraud, according to a stunning new report in "the new york times." he and his colleague resigned last month after it appeared the manhattan d.a. was reluctant to indict trump. his resignation letter warns of a grave failure of justice. that is next. that is next when you're driving a lincoln, stress seems to evaporate into thin air.

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about a month ago, two high ranking prosecutors leading the manhattan district attorney's investigation into donald trump abruptly resigned. both prosecutors submitted their resignation after the newly elected d.a. indicated he had doubts about moving forward with the case against trump. it was a huge blow to the prosecution, and now we have new details on what motivated their departures. on wednesday, "the new york times" published the resignation letter of district attorney pomeranz. it was sent to d.a. alvin bragg saying, i believe that donald trump is guilty of numerous violations of the law and wrote, i have worked too hard as a lawyer and for too long now to become a passive participant in what i believe to be a grave failure of justice. joining me now is msnbc legal analyst and a former federal

prosecutor. i read that letter in shock. not just about the language that he used with alvin bragg, but about this. let me read this. this is part of the letter, as well. >> how on earth could alvin bragg turn down this prosecution? >> well, that is a question, joy, that the people of new york, and by extension, the people of the nation, deserve an answer to, because, you know, mark pomeranz, people should remember, he was a very

accomplished federal prosecutor. he headed up the appellate division at the southern division of new york. he then did a second stint in that office. he headed up the criminal division. in that capacity, he tried mob boss john gaudy and he is universally regarded as a white collar crimes subject matter expert. i mean, he knows how to prosecute. he knows a case that can be proved beyond a reasonable doubt when he sees it. and he makes clear in this letter, joy, the evidence supports the conclusion that donald trump committed felony crimes and the evidence can prove him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. he said it's a grave injustice if these charges respect brought. we're always talking about how we don't know what's going on in the department of justice. guess what? we now know what went on inside the manhattan district attorney's office. they built a case against donald trump that could and should have

been brought, and alvin bragg put a stop to it and we have no idea why. we enjoy wide latitude, i exercised my discretion something smells corrupt here and it should be investigated and the voters of new york should help him a clown-able. speaking of corruption.

let me read this. this is a new story that broke in the washington post late today. virginia ginni thomas, the wife of supreme court justice clarence thomas, urged mark meadows to pursue unrelenting efforts to overturn the 2020 election text show. on november 10th after news organizations had projected joe biden, the winner based on state vote totals, thomas wrote to meadows, help this great president stand from, mark! you are the leader, with him, who standing for america's constitutional governance at the precipice. the majority knows biden and the left is attempting the greatest highest in our history. here's what makes this even more corrupt. we know that she's a qanon right-wing no need to. she's always been that. but, she is married to one of the justices of the supreme court. and the only justice out of nine who voted this way. he did not recuse himself, he was the only vote to block the january six committee from getting trump papers. jeanne's text were at stake.

this is pure corruption on the part of the thomas's. your thoughts. we >> joy, i don't say this lightly, but based on what we are learning, this feels like a deeply unethical decision by justice thomas, not to recuse himself from having anything to do with making decisions about the insurrection. because we now know, courtesy of these texts, which really are blockbuster, that ginni thomas was using her position and her connections to urge mark meadows to keep donald trump installed in the presidency unconstitutionally. i don't think a hollywood script writer could come up with anything like this. and i think the two natural questions based on the reporting about this text exchange between ginni thomas and mark meadows are, one, will

the j six committee subpoena the spouse of a sitting supreme court justice, or will that be viewed as some kind of third rail? i think, no one is above the law. i've heard that before. well, let's prove it. by treating ginni thomas like we would treat any other witness and beyond because we don't know if she's just a witness or she may have some criminal exposure for what happened on january 6th. or what happened before with respects to organizing it, or what happened after with respect to either covering it up or giving aid and comfort to the insurrectionists which, in itself, is a crime. one thing is clear, joy, clarence thomas should nowhere near sitting as a justice presiding over any of these decisions. >> but he also voted, literally, to protect his own wife's texts in that case. he himself should probably be

subpoenaed. just to remind you what's at stake here. here's millbrook's talking about what trump wanted him to do. >> did he directly tell you to hike today certify the election, the 2020 election? >> he did not use the word to certify. he used the word reset. >> and then immediately remove joe biden, i guess i would be through impeachment? >> through the recession of the election results. >> did he directly say that there should be a new special election for the presidency? >> in one of the conversations he mentioned having a subsequent election for the presidency. >> okay. i am out of time, so i won't even get to ask you a question. i'm gonna say for the audience, in my opinion, it looks like a conspiracy, it smells like a conspiracy, it looks like jimmy thompson, maybe her husband is a part of this. thank you very much glenn. moments of -- guess what, we found something that came pretty darn close. don't go anywhere.

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