. hey, there, i am hallie jackson in for katy tur this afternoon. right now air force one just touched down in warsaw. president biden is in poland for the second leg for the emergency trip to europe. you are looking at his first stop, troops looking to shore up nato defenses. take a look.

>> they have a lot of backbones and guts, and i am sure you are observing it. we're in a new phase. your generation, we're at an influxion point. inside ukraine, you have russia still bombing all sorts of places, including places where innocent people live. key centers for ukrainian supplies. in the city of mariupol which is still surrounded by russian troops, the ukrainian government said hundreds of people were killed during an attack at the theater with the world children written as to be visible from the air. here's richard engel.

>> hundreds of ukrainian civilians were sheltering here, and covered in dust, they seemed dazed, and many are children, women and the elderly. the missile hit the center of the theater, and people are evacuating the site. and mariupol witnesses claim 300 people were killed in the attack. nbc news cannot verify that claim. the theater is in the center of mariupol, and it had been clearly marked with signs in russian saying children to indicate children were inside. russia denied it carried out the attack. >> survivors who made it out of mariupol spoke to us there as winter melts into spring. >> just everywhere. dead people lying around. this is, like, the worst part. the freezing temperature,

because march, as you can see, the march is not very welcoming right now, but at least it was cold. at least we had a natural freezer where we could preserve our food -- >> and the bodies. >> -- and the bodies, because the russian people did not take the bodies with them. i even remember there was some use -- >> their bodies? >> their bodies, yes. >> peace talks will restart again tomorrow after a week of negotiations, but so far no real progress, although russia and ukraine did carry out their first full-fledged prisoner swap since the war started. 11 russian prisoners of war were exchanged for these 19 ukrainian famous who became famous for telling a russian warship to, and i am quoting here, go f

yourself. kelly, i will start with you. the president is on the move. i know within just the last five minutes, air force one, right, touched down in warsaw for the other leg of president biden's trip overseas. we are looking at him coming off and giving a wave there, kelly. >> this is an important part of the president's visit here. earlier today closer to the border the president even said he had wished he could go into ukraine to see firsthand and acknowledge the security environment that would not permit that. he had a chance to meet with some of the u.s. personnel from the 82nd paratroopers to give reassurance and deterrence, perhaps, to vladimir putin, to not test nato's resolve, to protect the alliance here. the president also had a

briefing on the aid that is happening from the usaid director and the team of experts who are looking at the real crisis of refugees who are pouring across the border. the president will have a chance to meet refugees tomorrow, not at the crossing point but further in to poland tomorrow, and he will have that chance to have a personal connection as he is gathering really human intelligence here, seeing the service members, talking to experts, and seeing the leaders of the world that he has been meeting with, and of course, here in poland meeting with president duda, and this is a key alliance that is so important at a time when poland is playing a pivotal role, part of the alliance and the geography of poland makes it critical and they have opened their doors so widely to the ukrainian refugees, and how can the u.s. help? and the president will make remarks tomorrow that will be the culmination of this trip, and expect that to be a way to

tie together, the diplomacy, and the message to the free world about what is at stake, and the message to ukraine, the people who today spoke about their bravery and resolve, and a message to putin about the kind of unity the president says he and other leaders have been able to stand up and to demonstrate that they will show through the different sanctions and the military support and all the different levers of government that they are able to bring to bear. physical presence, personally diplomacy, humanitarian touch and some real on-the-ground opportunity for the president to see some of these issues firsthand. >> ali, let me go to you. talk to us about the situation on the ground because we have been hearing stories of the

ukrainian resistance in the effort to take back territory from russian troops. >> reporter: that's right, it has been a real push back from ukrainians. not only the russians were saying this, but the west was going to say it is going to be a walk over for russia, and they were outnumbered by troops and they have showed incredible resilience here. they pushed the russians back from areas around the capital, kyiv. they have regained territory. today we saw them hit a russian landing ship in one occupied city, and the guys are fighting for their survival and for the sovereignty of their nation, and they are not willing to give up. we have seen a quarter of the ukrainian people be displaced from their homes, and many of them have stayed back in their cities, lots of them volunteers

to stop other cities from becoming waste lands like mariupol has, and it's incredible to see the reseul resilience of all the people. i spoke with a man 64 years old and he was fighting with the equivalent of the national guard here, and he's old enough to leave the country. he could legally leave because he's 64, and he did not have to go to the front lines. that was out of the question for him. he has to stay here and defend his country, his home and his people and he will fight the russians tooth and nail. that speaks volumes about the fighting spirit in the country, and it's men who have retired and enjoying their pension that come out and find a duty to fight here. that's what really draws a difference between the ukrainians fighting here and the russians who have invaded their

country. >> thank you for that live for us in lviv. and ambassador, let me turn to you for our conversation, before, by the way, we are getting ready to go. an adviser of president zelenskyy, we will go to that in a moment. and we know what president biden is set to give a key address tomorrow and et cetera. talk to me. >> it's an important trip. all the summits were important. the new sanctions we announced were appropriate and there should be new sanctions next week. the and sanctions have to be ratcheting up every week putin continues the war. it's not enough to maintain the sanctions and you have to ratchet them up every week and i applaud that. it's great there's university, and listen what president zelenskyy said to the members of

nato. he said we need more weapons. i think we have to understand it is heroic what they have done for this first month, and absolutely right, they have beaten all the odds in terms of how they fought against putin's horrific heinous barbaric way he is fighting in their country, but there's a lot more fighting to come. that's my prediction. putin is not in a mood to negotiate, and therefore ukrainians need more weapons and more assistance from nato, and i hope in the coming weeks that will be provided, especially with regard to securing the air, and the surface to air systems, the s-300s as they are called, it's a soviet air system and we have lots of them and we need to be shipping them to ukraine as soon as possible. >> can i ask you to share more about that, because, again, the resistance -- forgive me if i am overly reading between the lines of what you are saying, but it sounds like what you are saying is this is not able to last,

this is not sustainable, the resistance ukrainians are putting up without additional help. is that fair? >> yes, we need to have both concepts in our head at the same time. it's heroic what they have done, and this very held back the russian army, and nobody predicted a month into the war it would be this way, and the evidence you could have for that is to listen how vladimir putin talks about the war. he's deeply frustrated. at the same time, mariupol is under siege and likely to fall in the coming weeks, and then the same thing they are doing in mariupol they are planning for kyiv, and we need to do something now to prevent a mariupol situation in the capital of kyiv. i applaud the biden administration for what they have done and they need to do more now.

>> and more than 400 companies have withdrawn from russia, and one of them is spotify, and they tried to stay up and running to give people access to independent news reporting, and because of the russian crackdown, they can no longer operate and they will wind that down. do you think that's significant? >> it is. it's very significant. putin is trying to cut off all information about what is happening in the war. again, that just underscores, if the war was going well, he would want them to be on spotify and twitter to learn about their victories, and he doesn't want that and he's trying to isolate them, and the united states and the west and our allies need to think about new creative ways to get information to them, and it's not easy, but that's a challenge -- we had it during the cold war, by the way, remember. we invented radio liberty, and radio for europe is still

working. we have to get creative about helping to get information to the russian people so they can understand what a senseless war this is and why they need to put pressure on their government to stop it. >> ambassador, as you were speaking, we got an update from the pentagon from a senior defense official. i want to share with you, because i want your assessment of this, they say russia -- the senior defense official says russia is starting to move reinforcements from georgia into ukraine, essentially to back up the troops they have in ukraine right now, and the city of -- you know where it is, south of odesa, near odesa on the map. how do you interpret those pieces of information from that u.s. senior defense official? >> it's a sign of desperation. if vladimir putin needs those

people, if you look at the map again, and i didn't know that, it's very important that the ukrainian are fighting back. the bad news is about mariupol. look at the key city right now separating the donbas from crimea, and that's where the fight is most intense right now, and that's why putin wants to capture mariupol to say he's winning and i fear that city will fall in the coming weeks, and they fought heroically, but they are in a dire situation right now. >> thank you for being with us. i want to bring in somebody else with a particularly unique perspective on this, he's an adviser to president zelenskyy. thank you for being on the show. good afternoon. >> good afternoon.

>> can i start with the assessment that we are just getting from the team that covers the pentagon from a senior defense official in the u.s. that they believe the southern city of chernihiv. >> in this city we have brave ukrainians that protest the occupation, and even without guns in their happened and i think there are ways for ukrainians to demonstrate it cannot be occupied by russia. there's special operations in some areas, and it's got to be done after the operation has happened. usually in ukraine we have a few times a day a special report of all commanders, and let's wait until the commanders make a statement. what we know is yesterday we

destroyed two russian ships and it was a very successful operation. and today we show that ukraine successfully stopped the occupation and the army of russia. in general, what we know is they want to occupy mariupol as a first goal at the moment because they need to release some of their troops back to the north. this is why mariupol is now the -- >> it looks like our connection has frozen. we will see if we can get him back. but you heard him say -- >> i am back. >> i am glad you are. i don't see you on my screen yet. i do hear you and i do see you. you were talking a little bit about the state of play as it exists currently in ukraine with the ukrainian troops. how long do you assess the ukrainian resistance can keep up

this effort? >> ukraine will resist until victory, you know. what i was saying about mariupol, it's a main target for putin now because it's important for him to finish with this port, this big city, to control it and show that he now united the so-called separatist and the whole territory of the donbas region, and he is brutal because mariupol resisted his occupation and his attacks, and mariupol doesn't want to be with russia and putin and that's why he's so angry. the second reason, he needs to release his army for attacks on the north. that's why mariupol is why i am so vocal with this, we need to help ukraine in this crucial moment. after he finishes mariupol, he will go to somewhere south of

ukraine, and will occupy the northern part of the region. >> so given that, given what you just said, you know that president biden is in the region, obviously, yesterday, today and tomorrow. are you satisfied with what you heard from president biden specifically so far? do you believe the u.s. is doing enough to help you? >> unfortunately i can tell you that before war started, one week before war started i called the president of the united states to come to ukraine, and be a symbol of peace, like in 1962, this famous piece, and i called mr. biden to come to ukraine and stay with ukrainians to show putin you stand with ukraine, and any plans of putin to take ukraine will be resisted, and it never happened. i believe maybe now if he can at

least be to the checkpoint of the ukrainian fallen border, but, no, he did not come within 100 kilometers of the border. of course we are looking for more support. we are looking for more weapons. we are looking for more necessary army support for ukraine. we are very much appreciate what was done by the american president so far. he's one of the symbols of our support, and at the same time i can say if we impose sanctions earlier, you will start to block financial sanctions for putin, he would not start this war. in 2014, i believe putin would never have started this war against ukraine if america was much more stronger with sanctions and military support of ukraine, the answer would be

different, but at the same time i can agree with all my leadership that america is our main partner and we appreciate what was done before and is doing now by the american government. >> before i let you go, quickly, how is president zelenskyy doing? was he effective in the speech to nato leaders yesterday? >> mr. zelenskyy, good mood, good form, and he makes a lot of diplomatic effort with the leadership of europe and america, and he's very much focused on finishing this war with a success of ukraine, and he talked with us yesterday and he said please never again say you pray we are not part of nato. he said ukrainian army is stronger than army of some nato

countries effectively. >> we're so glad to have you on. again, an adviser to the office of the president of the ukraine. the signal was spotty, but thank you for joining us from overseas. appreciate it. a lot more to come, including one journalist that remains in kyiv. and president biden said the u.s. will accept up to 100,000 ukrainian refugees. and we have more on the update from the pentagon we just mentioned. we have a lot to get to. stick with us.

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city. our next guest has written a piece about the fate of that city. i want to bring in the executive editor of the new voice of ukraine, an english language new site. thank you for being on the show. >> hello. >> in your article you talk about staying put has to do with your family but there is more to that, and explain to folks why you are going to stay in kyiv. >> well, i have, like, a million reasons why, except taking care of my family that can't because they are not in their full strength to conduct this kind of very hard trip, and dangerous right now. i think that if every ukrainian would leave, their towns and

cities -- putin will win because he clearly made it that he wants territory, not people. because what he's been doing in ukraine is i can say it's extermination of locals, it's denazification, as he says. he needs territory and wants this territory and it doesn't matter for him how many people will stay alive, and i mean locals, because he's been attacking mostly civilian infrastructure, and he has mariupol, and mostly destroyed kharkiv, a russian-speaking city, and he has moved more than 6,000 people -- forcibly moved 6,000 mariupol residents including children to russia, as

our authorities say. he's deportable ukrainians to russia far east like soviets did it in the old times. and as he did with crimea, he's going to in habit territories in russia. >> when you are out in kyiv in the moments between sirens, when you are going to the pharmacy or getting food, et cetera, what kind of conversations are you having with people, like you, who have chosen to remain in the city? >> actually, as a citizen of every big city in the world, because kyiv is, like, very big, and i used to avoid, like, public places because i hated

life, there were so many tourists and so many people from other countries, and i was tired of people, but now that 2 million have left kyiv and roughly 2 million have stayed, and now i fell in love with my city, like totally, because people, unlike russians who we all see are fighting for a bag of sugar right now, and people in the front lines -- i see they are very polite. now our city has become a city of lines because, yeah, we have supplies and they are very limited so you have to stand in line almost every time you need to buy something, especially meat, bread, eggs. those lines are big. they are mostly silent, but sometimes people are discussing,

like, latest news with strangers. some even joke. recently we had an incident when we were at the local market and our air defense system shutdown russian missile right above our heads -- well, not right above our heads but very close to us, and we even saw the white stripe that the missile usually leaves behind. the whole market suddenly fell silent and there were phones ringing around because people were, of course, very worried about us all, i mean, their loved ones in the market, and then we understood that everything was okay for now, and people started, like, joking and laughing because it was, like, a relief for many. also people have become ironic because this is our new reality, we have to live.

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woodward. talk about the reporting you have seen and done on this, jake. >> i am at a hotel lobby, so excuse my background. this is something people were talking about the republican retreat today. house minority leader, kevin mccarthy was asked about this, and he said justice thomas could -- >> let me -- i am only going to stop you there because you teed up something we have for mccarthy. >> my question for you is do you think justice tom thomas, it's

his decision based upon law. if you spent anytime studying the supreme court justice, he's one that studies correctly. >> not all that surprising that you would hear kevin mccarthy say that, and is there anything on the other side for folks that have concerns about recusals from supreme court judges in situations like this one? >> no. the january 6th committee can include this in their research of the january 6th incident. justice thomas is a lifetime appointee, and they can pass a resolution asking him to recuse himself, and i can't imagine they will do so. they can impeach him. nobody is talking about that, and that's the only kind of ultimate power congress has. it's too early to say whether democrats will move to do that. i do not believe that will be the case. i do not believe that there will be support for something that

drastic in the light of these text messages that ginni thomas sent to mark meadows. >> let me read one of the texts that thomas wrote on january 5th. again, that is coming from, according to the washington post, ginni thomas. you talked about the limited role of congress. how do you see the january 6th committee continuing to peel back the layers of this one? >> a few thoughts here. it's unbelievable people actually believe this stuff to be clear. this is complete conspiracy theory nonsense being spouted by ginni thomas who is the wife of a supreme court justice.

what the committee will try and figure out is where the money is coming from. how involved was ginni thomas? was she involved in funding or organizing the rally? that will be of interest to the january 6th committee. what kind of further communications did she have with people, whether it's lawmakers or anybody in the trump administration to try and overturn the election. she was clearly interested in the overturning the election. she and other might find themselves the subject of subpoenas and target letters from the committee on those very issues. >> jake sherman live from us there at the republican retreat, and jake, always love seeing your back drops. good to see you. coming up on the show, one of our correspondents just made it into the besieged ukrainian city. stay with us.

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sky news special correspondent, alex crawford, spent the last two days trying to get into the city near mariupol. she was trying to get help to the city. we have to worn you it's a report that contains graphic images. watch. >> inside the city, there are bombed houses and buildings on fire everywhere. there's still an estimated 150,000 people trapped inside this city. it's strategically important because it stands across the route chosen by russia. we cannot cope with all the dead, the mayor says. it's carnage. we take refuge in a gym in a basement with a group of voluntary soldiers.

everybody that made it out of cherniv. this gives the volunteer soldiers time to make phone calls home. their families and children are mostly well away from the chaos and death they are seeing here on a daily basis. my heart is just breaking, one father tells us. it's difficult because i am used to being with my family. they are my whole life. away from their own families, they are saving the lives of others. how important is human life, another says. what could be more important than the lives of little children, little girls and boys. nothing is making us do this. this is just what we have to do. daybreak the following morning and they are trying to work out how to get aid into cherniv and citizens out. one paramedic asks us for help. he tells us the bridge crossing

point where he was waiting to help casualties had been shelled. he was deafened by the blast it was so close, and he has several shrapnel wounds, and he needs surgery. there's little that can be done on the roadside, but one of our team does what he can. shrapnel appears to have punctured his lung. he's having a problem breathing. i went there on my own, he tells us, and i saw destroyed civilian cars. they were all burned out and completely destroyed. there was one dead civilian with his bags. >> good luck. >> good luck to you. >> he leaves to try and get to a hospital. with this parting message for

the world -- kyiv needs your help. >> president biden is expected to deliver a major address tomorrow about the humanitarian crisis because of what you just saw, right, the invasion of ukraine. not too long ago he met with some of the humanitarian workers in poland. more than 3.7 million people -- think about that, nearly 4 million people, mostly women and kids have left ukraine, they have left their homes and the country. the white house is pledging to accept 100,000 of the refugees and give $100 million to help the countries. the policy director for first lady michelle obama joins us. thank you for being back on the

show. >> thanks for having me again. >> 100,000 refugees sounds like a big step but it could take a long time to get there if we ever even get there. right? explain that. >> yeah, it's a promising step and a strong signal of humanitarian leadership. obviously it reflects that the u.s. recognizes that we can't just play a supporting role, that we do need to be part of the front lines. but it's really important to understand when the president announced that the u.s. would accept up to 100,000, you know, i think what we need to know is there's a big difference between a press release and a real program. so what we have seen with refugee resettlement this year is, i think, relevant. the u.s. has a refugee admissions ceiling of up to 125,000, but we're basically six months in and the u.s. has only welcomed less than 8,000

refugees, so we are looking to what that fine print of what this announcement means, what pathways the u.s. government is going to use and how are they going to make sure they can expedite folks, whether they are members of family who have u.s. ties or refugees or whether they will even use humanitarian parole. >> what about the path for a permanent residency, and humanitarian parole, that would be just temporary? >> right. that's what is interesting about this group, and when we talk about refugees in general, they are seeking a permanent solution of resettlement here in the u.s. what the white house has said, and we believe is true is there is a significant number of the 3.7 million refugees in neighboring nations that want to stay close because of geographical proximity, because they left a husband or a parent back in ukraine and they want to

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