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control. but the pentagon's also warning russia is bringing in reinforcements. that's coming after a busy day of diplomacy and morale boosting. as you can see here. for president biden in poland. meeting the polish president along the eastern flank of nato's troop presence and meeting with members of the 82nd airborne, stationed there. >> you all are an amazing group of women and men. i just want to thank you for your service. as your commander in chief i mean it from the bottom of my heart. >> the president's visit comes as we are continuing to see horrific images of what has happened in ukraine. officials say some 300 people were killed in that russian air strike on a theater in mariupol last week. you're seeing some of the first images from inside that theater. nbc news, by the way, has not been able to independently verify that. but this is the theater we talked about a lot, which had two big signs, you see them here, that said children, in russian, visible from the air outside the front and back entrance. where hundreds of people were taking shelter in a desperate attempt to try to get russia to

back off. in the north the regional governor says the city of chernihiv has been surrounded by russian forces with the mayor there releasing this footage of the devastation as he drove around his city. i'm hallie jackson in washington along with our nbc news team. we've got a lot to get to this afternoon. kelly o'donnell is with the president in warsaw. gabe gutierrez is in western ukraine. dan delouis is at the pentagon and we're joined by former ambassador to ukraine william taylor and by brigadier general peter locke who served as senior attache to russia. dan, you have the newest news, if you will, coming out of this dugs with a senior defense official that russia is bringing in reinforcements now from georgia and may be losing control of a city that it seemed like they had been in total control of a few weeks ago. bring us up to speed. >> that's right. these are really interesting developments. in kherson in the south, which was one of the first major cities the russians captured early in the invasion, in the first week of the invasion, and

now we're hearing that they no longer fully control the city and that there's heavy fighting going on. there's not much precise detail but just the fact that the russians no longer have full control of the city is significant and it shows you the kind of problems and difficulties they're facing right now. and then the other aspect is that despite the fact that they brought in 150,000 and more troops at the beginning of this invasion they now are having to look for reinforcements and there are now indications they're bringing russian troops stationed in the breakaway republics of the state of -- of the republic of georgia to bring those to ukraine. so two indications that things again are not going as planned at all for russia and that the invasion is not producing the kind of swift victory that they imagined it would bring. >> gabe, i want to turn to you because you are on the ground there in ukraine. i talked with an adviser to the ukrainian president just last hour right here on this network

who, first of all, called what's happening in mariupol, he thought the stalingrad of this war basically, which are some i think significant words from him. but he also talked about what else the ukrainians are looking for in light of what dan just reported. let me play it. >> we are looking for more weapons. we are looking for more necessary army support for ukraine. we very much appreciate what was done by american president so far. he's one of the symbols of our support. but at the same time i can say that if we imposed sanctions earlier, if we start to block financial operation ever putin earlier maybe he would have never started this war. >> gabe, talk to me about what you're seeing on the ground and the way that things -- you know, we've seen in the last 24 hours some of the landscape starting to shift, at least as it relates to the ukrainian resistance and what they're doing to try to keep russian troops back.

>> reporter: yeah, that's right, hallie. ukrainian resistance really mounting this counterattack and trying to fight back and really gain some ground against those russian forces. and we have started to hear of gains in the area around kyiv, but the fighting is intensifying. in places toward the east like kharkiv. and as you said, mariupol. this is the city, the besieged city that we continue just to hear horrifying reports from. and as you mentioned, ukrainian authorities now saying that around 300 people died in that theater attack, that bombing, several days ago. that was of course the theater that had the word "children" clearly identified according to ukrainian authorities. but hallie, this is part of -- you know, this war is really dragging out in the sense that the ukrainians, they desperately need more weapons. we keep hearing from officials here on the ground that in terms

of medical supplies they really need more on the front lines, but that they are able to mount this counteroffensive in certain pockets, especially around kyiv. and despite being outgunned by russian forces they are still managing to secure victories, according to the ukrainians, although it's tough to independently verify. but we heard yesterday that the ukrainians were able to, you know, do damage, set fire to a ukrainian port that was under russian control, that they were able to attack a russian supply ship. so certainly, according to the ukrainians at least, they are making gains, although difficult to independently verify, hallie. >> kelly, let me go to you because i understand that -- we know that president biden has landed in warsaw. there is what is called by our white house team a lid which means we're not going to see the president again till tonight. but in the morning he is set to deliver what advisers have said is a major address highlighting

the stakes of the moment right now. tell us more about what you know. >> well, we expect the president will talk about what is at stake, and that is certainly on many levels and many dimensions for the ukrainian people, for democracy on a larger scale, for the humanitarian component with refugees now numbering in the millions and the need to care for them and provide for them and for the host skournts that are receiving them. the economic fallout that is happening because of this and a message to russia to end this unprovoked war. so there are many dimensions to this. and the president wants to signal that there is unity among the european allies, the members of the group of seven nations that he met with, the nato component of 30 nations trying to show that there is a solid wall of unity along the border of ukraine and the president wanted to demonstrate that a number of ways, through the economic power, through the

commitment to support ukraine, through military and other kinds of economic help, and then of course to assist the ukrainian people who've been displaced by this unprovoked war. part of what the president saw today was some of the aid work that's going on with this as well as meeting with some of the members of the 82nd airborne that he has sent in to be part of the reinforcement of the nato eastern flank. the president talked about wanting to see even more. and what's interesting, hallie, is he signaled the sort of danger of the president being as close to the ukrainian border as he was today, and some of our colleagues were a part of the traveling pool with the president, having seen some of the defensive weapons that were in place that are not typically a part of a normal airport situation that were clearly there when the united states president and the polish president were that close to the border, knowing there are russian military elements just miles away really. and so a threat to the president. he talked about wanting to see

more. but the security risks that would keep him from doing that. here's the president earlier today. >> i'm here in poland to see firsthand the humanitarian crisis and quite frankly part of my disappointment is that i can't see it firsthand like i have in other places. they will not let me, understandably, i guess, cross the border and take a look at what's going on in ukraine. >> reporter: so tomorrow's speech, which will be the cap of the president's trip to europe for this visit, a month into this conflict, will in many ways be a chance for him to summarize what he's been able to do here and what other leaders have been able to do. the diplomatic piece. the attempt to try to learn more about what's really happening on the ground and to again give a voice to what is at stake in terms of democracy against

autocracy and unprovoked aggression. there's a lot on the line for the president to deliver a speech that meets that moment and one that captures the time and the desperation of the ukrainian people as well as their resolve. we heard today the president talking about their bravery and trying to harness that to inspire others including the u.s. troops that he has placed closer to harm's way defending the eastern flank of nato. hallie? >> kelly o'donnell, thank you. dan and gabe, i so appreciate your reporting too. thank you very much. general, let me turn to you. and then ambassador, i'll get to you as well. your reaction to the latest assessment from the pentagon. and dan deluce laid it out at the top of the show. they're bringing in reinforcements yet they're also meeting significant ukrainian resistance. with again that big question mark of how long that resistance can go on. how do you see this? >> first of all, a long resistance goes on -- war, there's a certain thing, momentum. the ukrainians i think are

heartened. they feel momentum. they're exhausted. it's a horrible fight. what's happened to their civilians is beyond the pale. but they are emboldened. they see the russians wilting in places. while the russians constant traichted the ukrainians have worked along their flanks. when you have a throng thrust like the russians have had in a number of places you open long flanks. the russian military is full of tanks and armored personnel carriers but not that much infantry, meaning ground people. so i think the ukrainians are hitting them all over. the russians are bleeding from a thousand cuts. i think the ukrainians will hang on as long as there's a lot of support coming in from the west and elsewhere. but the question is how long will the russians hold their positions? it looks like they're -- in places. the south we were most worried about, other than kyiv, of

course. and the push toward odesa looks stalled. mykolaiv is a fight. kherson is contested. and you have the horrific stalingrad going on on the coast in mariupol, which is tying down a lot of russian soldiers. unfortunately at horrifying cost to the ukrainians. so the russians have got a lot going on. >> ambassador, let me ask you this because -- and then i want to come back to you, general zwack. but when you look at the deal announced today by the u.s. and eu. they're sending more lng, liquefied natural gas to europe, trying to bolster our allies to get them to cut back on russian gas by something like 2/3 this year. this is going to cost the kremlin money. is this something that gets vladimir putin's attention? >> hallie, vladimir putin has to be paying attention to a lot. he's got to be paying attention

to the problems that general zwack just talked about of his forces in ukraine not doing very well. indeed, the ukrainian forces pushing back, actually counteroffensive pushing the russians way out of range of kyiv in terms of artillery. so president putin has a lot on his mind there. he's lost, it sounds like, 16,000 soldiers, hallie. 16,000 families back in russia are burying their dead. and they're not sure why. the russian people are facing the damage to their quality of life, to their living, their ability to buy things. so president putin has a lot to worry about. yes, the sanctions are hitting him hard. they're hitting the central bank hard. we've never hit a central bank before, hallie. and this is an enormous hit to the russian economy. so he's got a lot of problems, president putin. >> let me bring back up, if we can, i'm going to ask my friends in the control room to pull back that map of ukraine and

specifically where russian troops have gained territory and where they have not because i want to talk about georgia and the idea, general zwack, that they're bringing in reinforcements from there. how much of a concern should that be for these ukrainian fighters? >> it's a concern but it is not in any way in my mind decisive. they've got about plus or minus to 10,000 peacekeepers, whatever, you'll recall, in ossetia and abkhazia. and the russians have to be a little careful because they start pulling a lot out they have to worry about the georgians. now, we would prefer the georgians don't do anything there. and then you've got garrisons out in tajikistan and kyrgyzstan and of course syria. so the russian military isn't that big. they're under a million active duty. and then of course they've done a big call-up and they've thrown in a lot of their national guard, their storm troopers basically, and wherever they go they rile up the population.

so the russians -- so the georgia thing is a data point. yes, there are 5,000, 6,000. and then let's see what happens in belarus. we keep hearing. and then rumors of syrians and chechnyans which will only inflame the fighting and make the resistance even more determined. >> ambassador taylor, i only have about 30 seconds left but i have to ask you as we look ahead to what we're going to see from president biden tomorrow, if you were advising him, right? and you know this country so well. what would you tell president biden? what message would you deliver to president biden that you hope you would get to the rest of the world? >> so president biden's going to say to the ukrainians we are with you, we are supporting you. you are fighting our fight. we are on your side because you are fighting our battles. and we're going to support you with military equipment. we're going to support you with as much as the spigot can open. we're going to open the spigot to you, number one. and number two, we're going to tighten the noose on the russians. we're going to continue the sanctions. we're going to ramp up the

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the text messages sent to former trump white house chief of staff mark meadows by justice clarence thomas's wife, ginni. the texts first reported by the "washington post." they're between november 2020 and january 2021. right? so after the 2020 election. and one of these messages encourages meadows to tell donald trump not to concede. as you might imagine, it's raising some questions about conflict of interest for justice thomas, who by the way was not personally mentioned in these texts. but this is creating calls among some for him to recuse himself from any future january 6th cases. we heard from the top republican in the house of representatives on this, minority leader kevin mccarthy, just today, who of course has been an opponent of the select committee's work. here's what he had to say about the idea of a potential recusal by justice thomas. >> no, i think -- i think justice thomas can make his decisions, like he's made them every other time. it's his decision based upon law. if you spent any time studying the supreme court justice, he's one who studies correctly.

>> no reaction from the justice himself on that idea, who this morning was released from a stay in the hospital a week after he came down with flu-like symptoms. nbc news has reached out to comment to the thomases as well as to meadows of course. nothing back yet. when we get it, we'll let you flow. i want to bring in nbc news senior national reporter sa hahl kapoor and executive director of fix the court gabe roth. let me start with you and what else we know about this and how the january 6th committee might continue to pursue what's underneath these text messages. >> that's right, hallie. it's worth remembering that the criminal referrals the january 6th committee is pursuing are of little use to the committee except as a deterrent against non-compliance. their goal is to obtain information and if these people are cited and charged they don't have to actually provide that information p. they just suffer a punishment in the form of jail time and a fine. now, the january 6th committee plans to meet on monday to vote on whether to hold peter navarro and dan scavino in contempt for refusal to comply with subpoenas. scavino, the committee says, was in close proximity to then president trump and likely

possesses useful information about the attack on the capitol. they allege that peter navarro, the former trade adviser, worked with steve bannon to concoct a plan to delay and overturn the 2020 presidential election. if the vote succeeds, it will go to the full house of representatives. now, keep in mind the house voted to cite mark meadows in contempt in december and three months later the justice department still hasn't acted. one issue here may be that of executive privilege, specifically that unlike steve bannon, who was cited and charged, meadows was working for trump in the white house at the time. the same is true of dan scavino and peter navarro. regardless the committee hopes this move will prompt them and others to cooperate. a committee aide tells me these witnesses are the exception. they expect everyone to follow the law when subpoenaed and if they choose not to there will be consequences. the aide emphasized that the january 6th committee has conducted more than 750 depositions and interviews with more scheduled, received nearly 87,000 documents and is following up on more than 430

tips through the secure line. hallie? >> sahill kapur, thank you. gabe, let me bring you into the conversation here and let's just stipulate that the thoughts and opinions of one spouse are not necessarily the exact thoughts and opinions of the other spouse. i can attest to that. i'm sure you know people who can attest to that as well. do you believe there is validity, then, in these calls for justice thomas to recuse himself from january 6th-related matters? >> absolutely. this is an unprecedented incident in supreme court history. we've never had a spouse that's as politically active and as politically active on issues that time and again reach the justices. right? it's not just the 1/6 committee. it's the fact that ginni thomas was being paid a quarter of a million dollars by someone who filed an amicus brief in the muslim ban case. this is a pattern and practice of being involved in these cases and clarence thomas not recusing from these cases. and it's also possible -- i know you mentioned that clarence

thomas wasn't mentioned in these texts directly. but it's possible we don't have all the information, we don't have all the texts, all the e-mails and it's possible he will be mentioned. i think this is really just the tip of the iceberg and a story we need to keep following. >> talk about what can be done and talk about it in fro-two prongs, gabe. first the chance that congress could do something here. jake sherman who is of course a congressional observer and reporter told me an hour ago he doesn't think there's much on that thought. and the second what about the court itself, justice roberts, if he were to come up with a code of conduct if you will? >> sure. i think congress can do several things. the most impactful would be impeachment and removal. but thomas is never going to be removed and impeachment would frankly be a waste of time. congress is planning on holding hearings. i've spoken to aides on both the house and the senate today and they're both planning on holding hearings on the large -- not just clarence thomas but the larger issues of the ethical shortcomings at the supreme court. so there's that. and in terms of what the court

can do, john roberts is respected, a first among equals. thomas has his respect. so he could quietly say to justice thomas, maybe you shouldn't participate in these cases, and i think thomas would listen. in terms of a code of conduct that's being theoretically worked on right now, at least that's what justice kagan said a few years ago. unfortunately, it's been a few years and we don't have an update on that. and maybe a code of conduct, again, wouldn't prevent any of this egregious unethical biased behavior but at least it would give justices now and into the future? guardrails so we as the public know what to expect from them in terms of both their in-court and out of court behavior. and i think the court of public opinion not only just for thomas but for the 14 federal judges that are currently sitting in the judiciary that were his clerks and other folks in thomas world, i think it's important to have those guardrails and have those expectations so this type of behavior doesn't become the norm in the judiciary. >> gabe roth, thank you so much for being with us. appreciate it. still ahead, former president

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yeah. absolutely. any additional votes that ketanji brown jackson gets, that's best for democrats. they want this vote to be as bipartisan and as robust as possible. it is not, though, bipartisan just yet. they are still checking off all of the democrats. senator joe manchin was a big one, even though historically he likes to give deference to the president on their nominations. and so like you said, this was expected. we're still waiting, though, on senator kyrsten sinema, another centrist, this time from arizona. she's giving zero indication that she is going to oppose ketanji brown jackson. it's very likely that she's going to support her. she just hasn't announced her decision yet. there are, though, some republicans, hallie, that we are still waiting on. people like senator susan collins of maine and senator lisa murkowski of alaska. lisa murkowski's up for re-election this year. she has a tough republican primary challenger that she has to overcome.

but they tend to also vote for nominees. and they have yet given any indication on how they're going to vote. another person that we're watching very closely is senator lindsey graham. he is the republican on the judiciary committee. he sat through those hearings. who could potentially vote for her. but after the hearings this week it seems like it is extremely unlikely. he was very tough on judge jackson. he still has a grudge about how brett kavanagh was treated by democrats. and so he brought that up in the hearing over and over again. so while he says wait and see, i haven't decided or haven't yet announced how he's going to vote yet, all indications point to the fact that he's going to oppose her. republican leadership tell me that there will be probably a couple republicans who do support ketanji brown jackson but it's probably just going to be a couple. maybe a few but not many more than that, hallie. >> leigh ann caldwell live for us on the hill.

leigh ann, thank you for that. tomorrow former president donald trump is heading to i astate he lost, he lost in 2020, in hopes that if he does run again in 2024 -- >> thank you. >> thank you, leigh ann caldwell. that he will be able to turn things around. he's holding a rally on saturday with some candidates he's endorsed ahead of that state's republican primary coming up in a few months in may. but a lot of the folks who you won't see on stage have something in common. they refused the former president's push to try to overturn the legitimate 2020 election result in georgia. you'll remember the former president infamously pressured incumbent governor brian kemp and secretary of state brad raffensperger to in his words find votes. find votes and name him the winner of the georgia race. they didn't. they also didn't get his endorsements in the upcoming primaries. no shocker there. i want to bring in greg bluestein, political reporter for the "atlanta journal-constitution." msnbc contributor. and author of a new book "flipped: how georgia turned purple and broke the monopoly on republican power." you're the absolute best person to write that book, greg, i

think. i'm glad you're on. talk about the message that donald trump is trying to send here in georgia. >> yeah, he's heading down here to endorse his -- and support his growing list of endorsements, a group that now includes several virtually unknown candidates for down-ticket races who he just endorsed in the last couple weeks. what we're seeing is trump's attempt to exact revenge on governor brian kemp. it's morphing into an all-out effort to punish the governor's closest allies now. and it is no sure thing. a lot of the candidates he's endorsed are very un -- virtually unknown and they're going up against strong incumbents who have been in office and have mounted their xwanz now for years. >> we know that some republicans want donald trump's endorsement, right? but a recent nbc news poll showed republican voters are now more lyle to the party than to the president, wes a total 180 when he was in office. you look at david perdue who's been endorsed by donald trump. he's trailing governor kemp for

that nomination there. do you think in georgia specifically, i'm talking specifically to your state here, greg, does a trump endorsement help or hurt or do we still not know? >> the jury is still out on that question. but i think georgia's the biggest test of trump's influence in the entire nation. not just by the fact that he's endorsed seven candidates here but by the fact that he is endorsing candidates in very tough battles where his word and his loyalty and the loyalty to trump among the republican party will be very much tested. this is seen as somewhat of a rescue effort for david perdue, who is trailing governor kemp by as you just saw double digits in some polls and struggling in fund-raising. with the georgia primary less than two months away, perdue is under immense pressure to gain some sort of traction and donald trump is his best bet right now. that is his ace card. he's played it and he's playing it over and over again. he's got nothing else really to lose in doubling down on donald trump as much as he can. >> you have to think the numbers we just showed on screen, greg,

the polling currently as it stands in that republican primary burn up donald trump when he sees it, right? because he, as you detail in your book, has had this rivalry now with governor kemp ever since the 2020 race. >> yeah. and it's sort of a one-sided rivalry because governor kemp has not said a bad word about donald trump whatsoever. because he knows he'll alienate a big part of the republican electorate here. but instead it's donald trump who feels like governor kemp didn't do enough to overturn, to reverse the outcome of georgia's election even though the governor had no power to do so. and he's bent on that. he's vowed a year and a half ago to be back in georgia right now to defeat governor kemp. and unfortunately -- well, i guess the problem he's facing right now is that governor kemp is strong in the polls. he's doing well in fund-raising. and he's got the media attention. he's about to sign a raft of bills, many of which are going to be compelling and energizing to conservative voters. that's what david perdue is up against right now. you can't count david perdue out, but governor kemp has all the advantages working in his

favor. >> is there any reason to believe that tomorrow's rally won't simply be be an tension of what we've seen from former president trump on the trail soar fa, which is an airing and venting of grievances. what are you going to be looking for? >> an extension of those grievances and republican candidates here in georgia amplifying those. already today or already this week we've seen david perdue go a step further and say he didn't lose that senate race in 2021. that's the first too many i've heard him say that. we're going to hear some other candidates go even beyond their previous rhetoric in amplifying donald trump's lies. >> of course fact check. david perdue did lose. greg bluestein, thank youar to being on with us. i know you've got i abusy week ahead of you. thank you for being here. the nightmare refugees are living through as they hold on to a better foouch future for their families. you'll hear the story of one family who has had to escape two wars in less than eight months. that's coming up in a minute. mos that's coming up in a minute

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right? more than 3.5 million ukrainians have left the country altogether since the start of the war, most going to places like poland, romania, and hungary. and we want to share the story of one refugee family in particular. this is fatima i met her last summer coming to the united states. that's her and her family on screen after fleeing kabul in afghanistan when the taliban took over that city. you know where they built the new life? ukraine. fatima's family two times in one year dropping everything because war, two different wars, destroyed their home. now here's more of her story. when the war in ukraine started journalist fatima knew she had to get the family to safety fast. >> my parents like this situation is really getting

ugly. you better do something. i don't know what to do. >> reporter: it is a dangerous journey. after escaping the home in afghanistan last summer when the taliban took control she said she was tar gassed and sexually assaulted but with the help of a friend and u.s. and foreign military personnel she went to ukraine and the family joining her. i met her last fall an afghan refugee in the u.s. but the family, mom, dad, brother, baby sister stayed behind in ukraine. what did you say to the woman who was working with them to help get you and the family out? >> to be honest, i'm grateful they saved my lifer. i don't know what would happen to me. >> reporter: now the family is reliving a nightmare. leaving kyiv. you and the family are refugees of one war and now here they are

becoming refugees of a second war in less than eight month's time. >> yeah. unfortunately. >> reporter: she scrambled, reaching out to anyone to get the family to the train station. >> i could not sleep for three strait nights and drinking coffee to stay awake so there's not a moment that i would miss any calls. >> reporter: the help of a friend the family got on a train to the polish border reliving the familiar chaotic scenes. >> my mom called me crying saying that when the gate of the train opened people literally falling down the train because it was so -- >> reporter: she said with the kindness of volunteers and friends the family made the way to the border and then lost contact. >> i did not talk to them for i

think three hours and then a text that they were in poland. >> reporter: more than 3. 6 million people have crossed the border. families separated. kids leaving behind the schools and friends. homes destroyed by russian artillery. 162,000 foreign nationals had escaped ukraine. she said her mom, dad, brother and sister are safe in warsaw and the final destination canada safe thanks to the kindness of strangers. >> people are amazing. they want to help. that's beautiful. >> so many people want to help. she said that she is looking forward to reuniting with her family in canada. now the other refugees dealing with so much.

i want to bring in dasha burns. you have talked to them and the hear the experiences. tell us more. >> reporter: what we have been seeing here today is what i think president biden has really come to understand about this country and its people. just how much poland has stepped up and gone above and beyond to help the neighbors. earlier today we were in a refugee processing center a few weeks ago was a shopping mall but the businesses cleared out and instead the space got filled with cots, with doctors, with donated clothing, food. and some heart breaking stories. including one mother who fled from the donetsk and six months

pregnant. she is six months pregnant with a 10-month-old and expecting a baby in june and i want to just play you a moment of the conversation to just understand what it is like to be a mother and expecting mother in this situation. take a listen to sit with her here. >> you have one little girl. you're going to have a second one. >> translator: yeah. it will be a boy. >> reporter: why do you cry? >> translator: i just want to go home. >> reporter: it's so hard to have these conversations but this is what people are going through. it is all too real.

lera's sister said it's one thing to watch it on tv. fleeing and hearing russian artillery and praying that you will get across the border safely. they are safe. her and her sister left to go to italy. they don't know what their lives will be like or get home which is really all they want right now. >> just gut wrenching i know to see it and i'm sure to be there and talking with these folks. thank you so much for being with us live from poland. thank you to you for watching this hour. you can find us on twitter and on show number two on the streaming platform. tonight and every weeknight at 5:00 eastern. but for now "deadline: white house" starts right after the break. break.

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hi there. it is 4:00 in new york. i'm chris jansing. in nor nicolle wallace. president biden putting a spotlight on the humanitarian catastrophe caused by the war in ukraine with a visit to poland. he visit add polish town meeting with u.s. service members stationed there. he also got a brief