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. >> you know when it takes more words than yes or no you might be on the political run. republican lawmakers tried to take credit for billions of dollars of biden funding that they voted against and said was socialism. it's a fact check worth keeping in mind. "the reidout" with joy reid starts right now. good evening, everyone. we begin "the reidout" with one of the most high stakes presidential trips in recent memory. joe biden is embarking on an emergency mission to europe meeting with nato leaders in brussels and heading to hold land on the front lines of the hue humanitarian and front line crisis in ukraine. >> the single most important thing we can do from the outset is keep the democracies united in our opposition and our effort
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to curtail the devastation that is occurring at the hands of a man who quite frankly i think is a war criminal and i think it will meet the legal definition of that, as well. >> it is perhaps the most important moment in biden's presidency so far. a moment that will punctuatef for years to come. came to the presidency with a family steeped in military service and loss. it's almost impossible to think about joe biden the man without thinking about his son, beau, who died of brain cancer after serving in iraq. which is why you're going to see the usual photos we see with presidents, lots of images of the commander in chief taking selfies with the troops and lots of joe biden joe bidening eating pizza with troops near the
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border in ukraine and lots of conversations with service members about beau. foreign policy and empathy. it is this president's brand. and that very particular combination matters as we see the president assuming the leadership of a newly united west as refugees flee from the bombs. ukraine's neighbor poland has taken in 2.1 million refugees. that number is larger than the population of the capital. tomorrow president biden will meet with ukraiians and then in warsaw he will deliver the most important speech of his career. we have seen these moments before. president john f. kennedy, biden's idle and the on other catholic idle in the 1963 anti communist speech in west berlin, a focal point of cold war rivalry offering american solidarity to the citizens of west germany ussr. america must unite with the west
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to stop an assault on freedom as the bloodshed continues with missiles indiscriminately targeting ukrainian civilians and supplies. ukrainian forces continue to show resolve keeping the russians out of kyiv. the stakes couldn't be higher on this 30th day of fighting as fears grow a desperate putin could unleash chemical wells on ukrainian civilians. joining me is former cia director john brenham a senior national security and intelligence analyst and former u.s. ambassador to ukraine, author of "lessons from the edge" a memoir. i want to start with you ambassador. as somebody that's an ambassador of ukraine and lived with the high and low ends of what happened between the united states and ukraine, what would you say is the significance of the speech that president biden will give tomorrow? >> well, i think it's hugely important for two reasons. one is to focus on what is
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happening in ukraine to call out russian actions for what they are, war crimes as we just heard the president declare. demand a seize fire and warn putin not to escalate. but i think on another level and you touched on this in your introduction, it's also about explaining to the american people and the world that why ukraine is important, that ukraine is the canary in the cocol cole -- coal mine and if putin isn't stopped in ukraine, he'll keep going. at that time what he told us when he started the war and that's what he's done in the past kept going with the invasion in georgia in 2008 and the first invasion of ukraine in 2014. and so i think it's going to be important for all of us to understand that this is a hinge moment in history. the ukrainian people are meeting this challenge and the rest of
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the world needs to, as well. >> you know, john brennan, similar question to you about what the strategic importance of this speech is given the following. i'll read more, russia is signaling perhaps maybe they're crying a little bit, signalled on friday it may be reducing war aims focussing more territory in eastern ukraine and the first stage of the operation with ukraine putting up fierce resistance and russia having failed to seize for a senior statement with acknowledgement of all significance of the speech with the strategic interest of him. >> joy, we are at a very critical inflection point not only in terms of the u.s. policies but also in terms of nato's cohesion as well as
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global peace and security and therefore, i think it's so critically important that president biden who has this wealth of experience in the foreign policy front is able to demonstrate america's commitment tangibly not only by his presence along those front line states but also by the announcements about the extent of u.s. aid, humanitarian aid and flow of weapons. we're in this. this is very much a hot war. maybe the russians are sending out signals they will focus on donbas and reflects the facts russians realize things are not going well for them and taking it on the chin. so important by the president's presence out there, that he signals not only to our nato partners and to the ukrainians but also to the russians that we are here to stay. we'll stand by our ukrainian partners and we're in this until the very end, whatever that end might be. >> and ambassador yovanovitch,
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the bad guy and the good guy on the stage. during the iraq war, much of the war was outraged by american leadership and ditto when donald trump was president and threatened to pull us out of nato and probably would have got out of the claimant change agreements out of the iran nuclear deal just made america sort of a rogue version of ourselves. so now we see kind of the reverse. joe biden bringing back the west and saying the west is back. america is back. nato certainly seems to be back. but some of the countries that are now actually doing the right thing when it comes to refugees have some challenges internally as well. they are taking people in hungary. you have poland, the associated press talking about allied with a right wing political partner accused of eroing democratic norms and the european union,
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poland's government has incurred international criticism for eroding media independence and lgbt rhetoric and spyware against government critics. there is not a sort of united west in terms of democratic values. and so i'm wondering how does that impact our ability to lead when we're not leading like democracies. >> well, you're right to point out that this is a challenge but i think we can walk and chew gum at the same time and talk to our partners about some of the democratic challenges that they're facing and, you know, perhaps they might want to talk to us about challenges we're facing here in the united states, as well. and that doesn't detract from the fact that we need security partners, as well and i think that's what you're seeing right now on the ground in the brussels and poland. american leadership and frankly, american values, democratic values, indeed democratic values
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when we choose to support ukraine in this really important war of frankly liberty versus tyranny. >> john brennan, we talked about this a lot on the show, the fact we're struggling as ambassador yovanovitch imperilled and holly sound at the moment and addicted to fossil fuels. addicted to the stuff that powers russia and the economy and the last line of defense. the e.u. announced depending on russian oil. the u.s. said it will work with other nations to increase gas exports to the u.s. to be less dependent and reduce the natural gas long term would take russia's foot off of europe's neck. 25% of the oil from russia. does it strike you as a missed
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opportunity that the west that the united states that europe are not trying to find a way to not only get us out of hawk of europe out of hawk to countries like russia but out of hawk to opec, out of hawk to all of these oil dynasties around the world, none of whom seem to be the best actors. is it a missed opportunity we're not saying the answer is we start to push back from our addiction to fossil fuels overall? >> i hope it will not be a missed opportunity. as you point out, there is really a wakeup call for the europeans about over the past decade more that they have increased the reliance on russian energy supplies and very clear certainly under putin the russian bear is a menace so they need to be able to divorce themselves from that type of energy lifeline but your point object opec and fossil fuels is
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good. climate change, all of these factors is difficult for economies, systems to turn rapidly but you have to start somewhere. and i do think that what has happened now in ukraine really is -- needs to be taken into account by countries globally in terms of what we need to do in order to protect ourselves from the menace of these autocrats but also to move away from the fossil fuel reliance of global activity for the past many, many decades. >> yeah, indeed. i'll note once again as we reported on this show before, the koch brothers are partially oil refinery based wealth. i'll give you the last word ambassador yovanovitch. what will you consider to be a success from this trip from your point of view, from the diplomatic point of view for biden. what's this sort of level that he has to get to?
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what does he need to accomplish? >> i think he needs to knock it out of the park with that speech, again, emphasizing western unity, american leadership and calling russia out for what it is and then explaining once again why ukraine matters, why this is a greater battle of tyranny versus liberty. >> indeed. we have a tiny bit of time left so i think i can sneak in one more question to you john brown none. what is your gauge for success for this trip? >> i think we're seeing it emerge in terms of america is back on the global stage in a leadership role but working very closely with our partnership so keeping the nato nations united on this front to oppose this russian aggression i think is critically important and so i think this speech is going to be one of the things that the going to go down in history as being a turning point where we are right now as far as this crisis with ukraine because i think america and joe biden is demonstrating
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that we are up to the task of pushing back against these autocrat leaders that use oppression and subgrags as their tools. >> so ironic the president is the time in this one trying to use ukraine specifically against him. here he is on the world stage speaking up not just for ukraine but the west and democracy. pretty big. it will be historic. thank you. always great to talk to you both, john brennan and maria von -- yovanovitch. a first look inside the theater where thousands were killed by russian bombs and a ukrainian counter offense is working. plus, it's hard for me to fathom that justice clearance thomas had no idea his wife was advising trump's chief of staff how to overturn the election and yet, justice thomas has not recused himself from cases regarding january 6th.
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. president biden's visit to poland comes as the devastation facing civilians inside ukraine continues to melt. officials say the northern city of chernhiv has been cut off. the mayor drove through the city where a bridge was destroy that links it to the city. >> reporter: one paramedic asks us for help, he's saying the bridge has been shelled 15 minutes earlier. now he is wounded. i went there all on my own he tells us.
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and i saw destroyed cars, destroyed civilian cars. they were all burned out. they were completely destroyed and there was one dead civilian with his bags. >> good luck. >> reporter: good luck to you. he leaves to try to get to a hospital with this parting message for the world. >> i need our country, need your help. good luck. >> residents said they feared chernhiv will suffer the same fate as mariupol. one high profile police commander there offered to hand himself over to the russians in exchange for letting children out of the city. while new video showed civilians inside a drama theater used as a bomb shelter attacked by a russian air strike. ukrainian officials said 300 people were killed in what is being called the most egregious individual war crime by russia so far. satellite images show ukrainians wrote the words children in russian outside the building in
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huge letters to try to protect the people sheltering there. more than 100,000 people remain trapped. one resident safely in lviv provided nbc news with cell phone video of the moment that she and her 7-year-old son fled a nearby explosion. [screams] >> be calm, be calm. [speaking foreign language]. >> with me now is nbc news correspondent cal perry in lviv. i'll let you talk for me. it hard to hear as a mom a little kid screaming like that, that's difficult to hear and see those images. tell us what is going on. the sense of the reporting and i've been watching your great reporting all day. it's the ukrainian military on
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the move. they're the ones at this point have leverage or not leverage but momentum. is that an accurate assessment because it also just seems like carnage. >> reporter: yeah, i think that is an absolute accurate assessment. in the last 48 to 72 hours of offense, this is picking up steam and momentum in two places. in the capital of kyiv, the u -- ukrainian forces pushed the army back and broke through lines. what i mean is actually going through the lines and flanking those russian soldiers. we understand the losses at least according to the ukrainian government are heavy. we heard from the president tonight saying that 16,000 russian soldiers have died now. again, to be clear, that is the ukrainian government assessment, not an independent assessment. in fact, nato puts the deaths of russian soldiers somewhere between 7,000 and 14,000 in matter how you slice it, though. those are heavy losses. those don't account for wounded russian soldiers. so that sort of one side of this
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war, joy. the other side is what you're talking about, which is the absolute devastation of civilian areas and the direct targeting of civilian areas by the russian army. we talked a lot about mariupol, the deadliest single attack we've seen in the war is on that theater, at least 300 people killed but again, these are early numbers. the numbers are going to be far worse than that and when you look at the big picture in the eastern part of the country, you see this brutal punishment of civilians on behalf of the russian army. it almost as though the ukrainian army is fighting the russian army. the russian army is fighting the ukrainian army and taking out the frustration on these civilian areas. again, in hearing the ukrainian president tonight, it's clear he sees the tide turning military here on the ground and we should say, the ukrainian army has grown in size since this war began. so many international foreign fighters have come in. it's clear that there is a united front against the russians. now the question is of course, how does russia either get this
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off ramp or does putin lash out, use chemical weapons? that's something people fear very much, joy. >> cal perry, thank you as always. stay safe. appreciate you. with me is maxine a mariupol city council member and council member, you know, the pictures that we are looking at look like armageddon to be honest and particularly the pictures out of mariupol, give us the latest on your city and on how many people have been rescued from and still might be trapped in that poor theater. >> yes, this is a terrible leader is rooted from mariupol. i know the streets. this building i know my friends live some time ago, so it's terrible to see all these pictures, all this video and it's continuous and continuous. the people who get out from the
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city was the last days they tell the terrible stories and it's like scared in their hearts and minds for a lifetime. i from the last data i know that about minimum 100,000 people stay in mariupol and a lot of people get out but it's not enough because a lot of children, a lot of pregnant women stay in mariupol. russians make some points of humanitarian help so they call it but they use for the propaganda to show how they liberate mariupol but this liberation is about ruins, it's all about storms, peaceful life of prosperity. so it's unbelievable. all who can get out of war, they
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really happy they can get out but now they understand that they're homeless and it's another pain for all of us to -- we cannot before we stop this war, we cannot return to our city and build it from the scratch. >> we've also heard these reports of russians essentially, well, not even essentially kidnapping ukrainians and taking them inside russia. are you hearing those things? are you hearing of these people once they've been taken inside russia? >> there are different situation. some people willing to go out of the city anyway because they really don't want to go to russia but only choice to get out from the bombing, you understand? they're not but they get out of the city because of their lives and the life of their children. so russians use this and shows a
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lot of people go out from mariupol, not to ukrainian side but for the russian side but it's not true. if it's not true, i say we have a lot more casualties if in the near time, ukraine don't get a lot of help, not only defense systems but jet planes make 29 which poland cannot afford for us and we need a lot of long range anti air systems like c-400 to help duplicate the city because we can't get out all the people and these people can be the next victims of the russian terrorist war. >> indeed. i mean, a country of 40 million people you can't take everyone out. president biden is going to meet with refugees who are in poland and do that and also give this major speech in poland in warsaw. what do you want to hear him
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say? >> it's -- i understand from one side to president biden and all others politicians, they really care about their people in their countries and they don't want to take direct part in the world war iii, which really started already, but if they -- you can't make -- how say? you can't avoid it. it's not about putin starts some direct war with the u.s. or with you only if we get the planes. when he decided he do it anyway, if you give us plane or you don't give us plane so it's not
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a question. it's question about how many people lives we can -- we can keep. so if the help we get the next days, if we get it, it's less people lives we lose. >> indeed. i think everyone who is watching right now agrees with you. mariupol city council member maxine, thank you so much. god bless you and your country. cheers. up next, when it comes to his wife's role in the plot to overturn the 2020 election, what did supreme court justice clearance thomas know and when did he know it? we'll be right back. did he know it we'll be right back.
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jimmy thomas has been a steadfast advocate and defender of her husband, supreme court justice clearance thomas since his confirmation hearing when he faced allegations of sexual harassment of anita hill and more. she's been a fierce advocate for issues that often land in the lap of her husband. in fact, no spouse of a sitting
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justice has ever been as openly politically active as jenny thomas. the bombshell revelation from "the washington post" that she sent 29 text messages to donald trump's chief of staff mark meadows promoting qanon conspiracy theories to overturn the 2020 election cast yet another shadow over thomas with the impartiality he claims to espouse on the bench. that isn't his only connection to january 6th. his law clerk john eastman is responsible for providing the dubious legal justification to steal the election. all of this makes you go hmm. i think former news anchor dan rather put it best when he tweeted what does clearance thomas know and when did he know it? interestingly enough, back in march mrs. thomas sat down with the washington free beacon as if she knew something was coming and went to the stop the steal rally on january 6th but claims
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she left because it was too cold. she denied her attendance created any kind of conflict and said like so many married couples we share aspirations and ideas but we have our separate careers and own ideas and opinions too, justice thomas was on the panel with the national archives and while they claim intellectual independence, the thomases emphasize how little distance there truly is between them. "the new york times" said justice thomas told a crowd that gathered to celebration 30 years on the court the 1991 confirmation hearing had the effect of melding us into one being. so given what he has said, and how they have behaved, how are we supposed to believe a married couple mailed it into one being have no clue what the other is doing. supreme court justices afford a significant amount of leeway
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when it comes to the code of conduct. in fact, they're free from them but subject to a federal law that prohibits them from hearing cases their spouses and jenny has an interest that could be subjected by the outcome of the proceeding. joining me is melissa murray for sonia sotomayor. i'll start with you. you clerked for sonia sotomayor but what do you make of this? i can't think of another justice. i knew ruth bader ginsburg knew, i've never heard this much about any other supreme court justice. have you and what do you make of these text messages? >> well, i think supreme court spouses try to avoid any appearance in propriety in part because the court's legitimacy
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does depend on the public viewing of the justices of being above reproach. chief justice john roberts' wife was active among a group of pro-life feminists and left her position doing that work when he became chief justice because of the obvious implications it would have for his work as chief justice. we have never seen anything like jenny thomas in our history in the history of supreme court spouses and again, the deep implication of her work with her husband's work i think is hard to overlook. often it seems from this reporting what she has been pedaling as a consultant in washington d.c. is access to the corridors of power and, you know, the real question is one of those corridors in her own home? >> and i mean, it's not even the first time. this is element 6 for my producers. virginia thomas has been active and an advocate for repealing
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the federal care act and roe v wade, sneaking its way towards the supreme court and repealing covid mandates and targeted strategies that make it easier to vote, mandatory voter identification laws and floated the idea of using former navy seals to monitor the polls overturning the 2020 election, appealing affirmative action. that's what we know of. and so it seems to me to say with you for a moment, melissa, there is no instance throughout this man's career when she isn't advocating on something he's ruling on. i never seen anything like that. she definitely feels generous to me. your thoughts? >> it is. the optics are poor but to me, what really smacks up inpro pry -- is the notion many individuals that appear before the court as lit litigants are her clients.
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not that she's a vigorous advocate for them but she's actively advising those who regularly appear before her husband as litigants. >> and including appears to be mark meadows. let's bring you in paul butler. this is now reporting. thomas wrote to the aide to a white house aide were in the fight and had then president donald trump's back. according to the source, until she saw rsc members and i guess she means republican steady committee members in the street she would not help republicans, the largest caucus on capitol hill. she's ordering republicans to get out there and fight. she -- there's a text message where she calls the election a heist saying help this great president stand firm, mark with all these capitals, telling him, you're the leader with him who is standing for america's
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constitutional governance, the majority knows biden and the left are attempting a heist. blah, blah, blah. she orders mark meadows do not concede. it's time for the army gathering to have his back. it keeps going. she supports sydney powell and says let her be the face of this, release the crack in. she goes on and on. she has a threat involved. don't do it she says. i and 73 million people like me will be done with politics. this feels like she is advising the chief of staff to the president, paul, in the midst of an ongoing insurrection against our country and then her husband rules and i don't care if it's not the same email. her husband the on justice says nah, donald trump's presidential record should be sealed because he has immunity. your thoughts? >> joy, jenny thomas actively tried to install the losing candidate as president. if she had her way, we would be living in a donald trump dictatorship right now. she had unique access to mark meadows the chief of staff
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arguably the most powerful person in the country after trump himself and thomas was the only holdout in an 8-1 decision that allowed congress to obtain records from trump's white house related to january 6th, guess whose records those include? mark meadows. justice thomas would not have allowed the public to see those records and now, we kind of know why. and thomas' lone descent in the case was legally incoherent which is why conservatives couldn't go there. >> and let me ask you this question, are there any -- is there any way to hold clearance thomas to account? nobody should be accountable for their spouses views. that's not illegal. if he's consistently ruling in ways that comport with his wife's not just her believes but client list, this feels so openly corrupt even for clearance thomas that i can't believe it's legal. this is for you, paul.
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>> it's legal as long as the justice says it is. so the supreme court justices aren't bound by the same rules that even other federal judges are bound by. they would be forced to recuse themselves and these cases with the supreme court isn't i think he might face some pressure from the chief justice who reportedly is an institutionalists. this case is exposing the court to the stench of corruption and self-dealing. thomas would be deciding cases that his wife has a personal stake in but joy, the only legal constitutional remedy to get change on this is impeachment. >> here we go again. the stench is already there. up next, josh hawley's attacks on ketanji brown jackson's sentencing record let to scrutiny on his record and
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the moment president biden nominated ketanji brown jackson, case in point, insurrection curious senator josh hawley who spent the past few weeks attacking judge jackson sentencing record falsely accusing her of showing leniency with sexual predators. hawley called it betrayal to the democracy however, if we appear into his record as missouri attorney general we see in 2018 he completely supported a lighter sentence for a county sheriff that pleaded guilty to sexual assault. he was accused of choking his
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then girlfriend with a shirt and she said becker orally violated her. instead of bringing the case to trial, hawley agreed to a plea deal and resigned as office. hawley praised the outcome because becker wouldn't get to wear the badge despite becker wouldn't face jail time at all. doesn't believe that that was betrayal from democracy. paul, this guy is a complete hypocrite. a child pornography sentence found that judge ketanji brown is right in the media and main stream. 59% of offenders receive sentencing below the guideline range. not unusual at all and in addition to that, hawley backed judges whose records are
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identical to judge jackson. everything he is saying is bull crap. your thoughts? >> several judges appointed by president trump we have not heard hawley come for the white guys the way he cross-examined judge jackson. let's be clear about what is going on. this is a two for hawley he got to play to the qanon base and people that get off seeing a brilliant judge verbally man handled in a senate of 100 people that doesn't include one black woman. fortunately, that's not most of the american people. joy, qanon has an obsession with child sex trafficking but seems more focused on democrats than victims. one of the people shot up a pizza parlor in d.c. a few years ago because he claimed hillary clinton was exploiting children in the restaurant's basement. >> yeah, indeed.
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the thing is melissa, these people don't care about these things. the thing that's so hypocritical about it, tom cotton has not put one law towards it, josh hawley, ted cruz. they know their base likes it. and they want to -- qanon. here's an interesting thing, the kansas city star voted on. josh hawley has done this before. he has sat on what was supposed to be a task force to stop sex trafficking, human trafficking. one member of police cumin trafficking task force wrote, ifill hawley used its anti-trafficking -- and using peaceful as pawns to gain public recognition for himself. but we did not expect hollywood lead every meeting, his involvement became negligible as -- we after gathering -- he has history, melissa, using for ten advocacy on issues involving sexual -- for his own aggrandizement.
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years starts? >> i think this is a real failure of the confirmation process. this was supposed to be a public education session for the american people. an opportunity to really see what this perspective justice is about. instead. but we had was grandstanding and the delivery of soundbites that are basically bread crumbs being laid for the 2022 midterms. and the 2024 presidential election. and i think this was the difficulty that many of us watching had. judge jackson tried valiantly to explain her sentencing, and to do so, it really required a lot of nuance, a lot of attention and a lot of detail. and part of what she was trying to convey is that, as a judge, as a trying judge, she is bound by the limitations that congress itself has imposed. by failing to address some of these -- between the statute as they exist and the difficulties that judges have and applying them. she is doing the best that she can. all federal judges are doing the best they can with what they have been given.
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that is not something that can be reduced to a soundbite like, you're soft on crime, and senator hawley knows that. and he exploited it in the moment. and paul is exactly right. it is playing with fire. judge jackson was not only the judge who sentenced -- shooter to four years, she is now, apparently fought or on qanon chat board. people are talking about blowing her up for otherwise -- or otherwise don't harm to. her ted cruz repeatedly identified the school that her daughter attends by name. and again, i don't think that was without design. and basically, you are letting people know where she, is where her family is. and it's incredibly dangerous. >> indeed. and you know, paul, the reality is, -- said this. they haven't they were mad at him for saying this, he said are up. he is trying to set her up and her children. they put her children images on tv -- if they know what her daughter looks, like -- harley, cruz, mike lee, all of
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them, lindsey graham. they are putting her in danger, no? >> it's -- but it says a lot about the state of politics, that republicans allow these people with a huge platform, a supreme court confirmation hearing to spew this filth. but it also says a lot about the extraordinary qualifications of judge jackson. they had to make stuff up because everything in her records suggest she is one of the most qualified people ever to be nominated for the supreme court. >> lindsey graham was voted for -- me -- they try to have joe manchin get on the team, even joe manchin, who loves to mess with joe biden says no, he was gonna vote for. it that's how silly their tax work. melissa murray, paul -- thank you for. us up next. pull of the week. we're bringing that back, because you know? what -- once again, why she is so amazing. don't go anywhere. amazing. don't go anywhere. don't go anywhere. nurse mariyam sabo knows a moment this pure...
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obvious who won the week. for her incredible ability to maintain her poise then, probably i would have. judge ketanji brown-jackson takes on the title. here is just one powerful moment from her testimony. she was asked by senate alex -- the first latino -- from california, what advice you would give -- young minority americans who might doubt their ability succeed?
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>> i would tell them what's, an anonymous person said to me once. i was walking through harvard yard. my freshman year. as i mentioned, i went to public school. and i didn't know anything about harvard until my debate coach took me there to enter a speech composition. it was rough. it was different from anything i've known and i think the first semester, i was really homesick. i was really questioning, do i belong here. can i make it? can i make it in this environment? and i was walking through the yard in the evening. and a black woman i did not know was passing me on the sidewalk. and she looked at me, and i guess she knew how i was
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feeling. and she leaned over as we crossed instead, persevere. i would tell them to persevere. >> persevere. and that is tonight's readout. up next, ali -- is live from warsaw hello. ali l >> joy. when i first heard that, and i played. that i could not do what you just did. i couldn't come out on the other end and hold it together. i don't know, i think i will have to listen to it many more time before i can. thank you for doing that. thank you for playing that. persevere means a lot and they all over the world. thank you, my friend. good evening from warsaw pollen. i'm ali velshi. president biden writer earlier today. he is -- just the last stop at the end of a very busy week. meeting with world leaders, and nato, european union. normally these kinds of summits
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