i'm ali velshi in warsaw, poland. it is 2:00 p.m. here. president biden has just arrived. we just saw the motorcade go by to the building next door which is the presidential palace. this is the end of a very long trip for president biden. he's been in europe now for a few days. landing in brussels on thursday for an important meeting with nato. the group of nato dignitaries have met, they've concluded, the

president then went to the border, about 60 miles from the ukrainian border where he met with refugees. he's now come here to warsaw, where he's meeting with the president of poland, right now. that meeting is under way as we speak. what you're looking at is a meeting from earlier today between the defense secretary of the united states, the secretary of state, and their counter parts, president biden attended that meeting as well. that meeting has concluded. and this meeting with the president is undergoing. after that, the president is going to go to meet some refugees here in poland. of the more than 3 million refugees who have come from ukraine more than 2 million are here in poland, more than 300,000 are here in this city of warsaw alone. we're going to show you the kind of services they're getting here. we're also going to talk to you about how people in this country, welcoming though they are of these refugees are saying things are filling up and they

need more help from the rest of the world. they are going to get more help. in fact, the united states has said they'll accept 100,000 refugees, that's far fewer than even in the city of warsaw. we are next to the presidential palace, by the way. it is literally on that side. i'm ali velshi live from warsaw, poland. the president is here. president biden as i said meeting with the polish president, andrzej duda, ironically where they're meeting next door to the building i'm in, is the same place the warsaw pact was sign in 1955, as a bull work against nato. today's meeting comes on the final day of this urgent and vital trip meant to strengthen the coalition against russia, which has already included emergency meetings of nato, the g7, the european council. in a couple of hours, at the poland royal castle biden is

going to deliver a major address, speaking to, quote, the stakes of the moment, the urgency of the challenges that lie ahead. what the conflict with ukraine means for the world and why it's important the free world sustain unity and resolve in the face of aggression by russia, end quote. within the next hour or so, he's running a little late, biden will meet with refugees at the pge national stadium here in warsaw. he'll be accompaied by poland's prime minister and the mayor of warsaw. this was a day after meeting troops in warsaw, joining some for a slice of pizza. biden made several important announcements, including the united states would provide a billion dollars in humanitarian

aid for ukraine and the u.s. would accept up to 100,000 ukrainian refugees. and the u.s. and the eu struck a deal to wean them off of russian gas. and america is going to get 15 billion more liquid meters of natural gas by the end of the year. they're looking at the logistics of getting natural gas to europe, it's more complicated than you may think. i'll have more on that later in the show. yesterday, they jointly announced they agreed to buy and store natural gas, hydrogen and liquid natural gas in the face of the energy crisis and places can also join even if they're not part of the eu. germany said it wants to cut

imports in half by this year and be totally done with russian gas by 2024. as for russia, vladimir putin said that hostile countries will need to pay for their energy in rubles which inturn would help prop up his current ruble. we may be seeing some signs -- or at least the first signs of decent from within the kremlin with a senior official who served as putin's climate envoy stepping down. that official has now left russia. there are direct ways into and out of russia with finland stopping rail service, citing sanctions. it was the last direct train service between europe and russia and thousands of people have used that line to leave russia in the month since the invasion started. as for the state of war in

ukraine we may be seeing a shift from the russia side with stalled ground forces in the north appearing to have halted their attempt to take kyiv and shifting to defensive opinions. a russian colonel general said on state tv that russia is shifting its main focus to the eastern donbas region, where russian backed separatists have been fighting since 2014, the same year that russia invaded and illegally annexed crimea. also a u.s. official told reporters that the number of russian mercenaries from syria and libya headed into the donbas region is believed to be tripling. russia is also reportedly moving reinforcements in the country of georgia. russia is down 85 to 90% of the forces they initially used for the assault. they've suffered 40,000

casualties with between 7,000 and 15,000 russian troops killed. there were 15,000 russian troops killed in one war in afghanistan, this is one month. ukraine and russia have conducted the first prisoner exchange. joining me now live from lviv, ukraine is ali ruzzi. good afternoon to you, my friend. what can you tell us about this shift in strategy by russia? the idea that really all they want is donbas and the rest of it has been a distraction? >> reporter: good morning, ali. there seems to be a shift in emphasis from the russians, but it's probably far too early to tell. we haven't heard from vladimir putin and as we know, all the decisions in this war are being solely made by him and it's very difficult to second guess his next move. but that top russian general who spoke on russian tv said that

the first phase of what they call a special military operation here in ukraine has been completed. and now that their focus is going to be on what he called liberating the donbas region. so there's probably going to be a concerted effort to take the eastern part of ukraine. and that is troubling. because they're probably going to double down their forces there. but, ali even though we've seen the ukrainians here have pushed back the russians in and around kyiv, they have recaptured some places that the russians had taken very early on in this war, i think it will also be premature to think that vladimir putin has given up his ambitions of capturing the capitol. that probably still remains a focus for him in this war. we heard from that general earlier, saying that their focus is shifted and that is also an indication that this war plan is

not going the way they had envisioned at the beginning of the war when they amassed 150,000 troops on the board e of ukraine. this wasn't a straight run into kyiv. they weren't able to capture it. they haven't been able to displace zelenskyy and they're being plagued by logistical problems. they've spread themselves too thin by all military accounts. they're having serious problems here. and that's probably why we're seeing a change of emphasis but maybe not a change of plan. >> we'll keep a close eye on it with you, my friend. thank you for being there for us. joining me now also here in warsaw, nbc news senior white house correspondent kelly o'donnell. good to see you my friend. the president is meeting with the polish president duda, he's going to get a firsthand look at refugees, he did that yesterday on the border.

what's your sense of what the trip looks like for the president, kelly? >> reporter: this is certainly a trip with a lot of stakes and high consequences for the president. it touches on so many different areas and that's not always the case when the president goes abroad. you have the diplomatic piece when he's been meeting with officials from such a broad array of organizations. we had the focus today on poland, meeting with president duda, who in many areas president biden and president duda do not see eye-to-eye. on the issues of ukraine they have a lot in common and there are substantive issues to talk about in terms of support militarily for ukraine and the support the u.s. can provide because poland has been so willing to embrace ukrainian refugees. and earlier in the trip the president was meeting with nato leaders, that spans 30 country, the g7, the seven big

industrialized nations. so there's been so much of the focus on international diplomatic kind of conversations that are not so easy to manage. there are different concerns here. different economic pieces that various nations have when interacting with russia. so that's been part of it. then you get the heart of this trip. where he is having a chance to have a real interaction with refugees who have fled their homes, seen their communities bombed and damaged by this unprovoked war. and then he's also meeting with aide workers who are trying to manage something that is kind of hard for any of us to conceive of, not only a refugee issue, but on a proportion, a magnitude the world hasn't seen for a long time and then also dealing with american service members who the president has asked to come in greater numbers to this part of europe to fortify nato. so many different levels of

challenge for the president here, trying to satisfy all of those different constituencies and different agendas. and then we'll wrap up his trip with a speech today and that's a message that has to resonate around the world, what's at stake for ukraine, how that affects other free people around the world and a message for putin, so a lot for the president to do here in a jam packed series of multistops in two countries. the stakes have been high, the president is certainly engaged in this. and this is a war that will continue. so these are issues that will need ongoing tending. ali? >> this is very old style, old fashioned diplomacy that you and i are used to seeing decades ago is what joe biden is doing on this trip. thank you my friend we'll talk to you through the course of the day, kelly o'donnell is here with me in warsaw, poland. joining me is andre cozyrev,

author of the book "the fire bird". mr. kozyrev, thank you for being with us. i appreciate this. i want to get your thoughts on this. you were at the table at the end of the soviet union, the beginning of the russian federation. you had always argued for some of the reforms that russia ultimately saw and some of the economic progress that it made. what does it do to you to see this coming apart and russia sort of falling back to where it was 30 years ago? >> very disturbing and sad picture that it's coming back. but if people read my book, actually, which you showed, they will find a lot of answers. putin did not come from the sky, so to say. he was appointed by president yelltin and he had two terms, one term where i served, it was

a dedemock kratization. which we handled peacefully and established very good friendly relations with ukraine, a newly independent state. while his second term was kind of preparatory one way or the other for mr. putin to come, who, of course, doubled down on the bad side of that. i was around 40 years when i was foreign minister for five years and i'm really impressed with endurance and stamina and ability of president biden, at his age, to do all that in three days. on it would make even me tired at that time, not to speak of now. so it's impressive performance. >> i agree.

i'm tired watching what joe biden has done. but he's trying something that's old fashioned, the way diplomacy used to work when you were the foreign minister, where face-to-face conversations have to happen. i do want to ask you with respect to vladimir putin, are there many people at the highest levels of the russian government who would choose this expansionist, dangerous position that vladimir putin has taken versus being integrated in the world and living peacefully in an integrated economy with the rest of the world? how widespread is the kind of support for what putin is trying to do? >> as far as i understand, there is a very small group of people who are idealogically, you know, supportive of him, if not inciting him with his aggressive policies.

but the rest of those people serving in the army and perhaps even in the security forces, they should be just, you know, horrified by what he's doing. because ukraine, ukrainians are our brothers. and, you know, killing brothers and destroying cities is nothing in russian national interest. but i can tell you something, that i'm a little bit concerned, that in one part, at least, the nato summit actually provoked -- it provoked putin. because they denied those airplanes, which are old soviet stuff. and ukraine asks those airplanes. but denial of that provokes putin to bomb ukraine more.

so it's kind of one, at least, to my mind is mistaken. >> so let's just remind our viewers of that. poland has -- there are a number of former eastern bloc countries who have these russian-made jets that the ukraine pilots can fly. poland offered to deliver them to the air base in germany and have america give them to ukraine while poland got new jets. that played out in public, the u.s. and nato has rejected that idea. tell me whether you think it would make a big difference. if you took these mig jets available, not being used and gave them to ukraine for their pilots, would it make a difference in this fight? >> i'm not military expert, but i believe, yes, any kind of equipment, and especially since ukrainians seem to be using some of those are the same there in

ukraine because they also were part of the soviet union and they have all the stuff, so if they denied russia the control of the airspace because they fly, they scramble those airplanes there, so additional airplanes would, of course, strengthen their hand. but even putin could decide military -- not military expert, in military consideration but politically denial sends a very strong message to russia. i know how they read it there. they read it there as a sign of weakness that they succeeded to intimidate the west, including the united states, with this hint of nuclear weapons, chemical weapons.

and that incites them. that actually provokes them to go further. maybe even to using some mini nukes, so to say, small nuclear devices, because they feel they can get away with everything, including bombing to, you know, level cities in ukraine. so that politically i can tell you that it's wrong, militarily i don't know. but politics in this situation means much more than any kind of political -- military expertise. and anyway, you know, whatever your or mine or someone's military expertise, it's absolutely clear that nato or even if united states alone is more powerful militarily than

russia. so it's like a -- you know, it's a uncomparable military potential anyway. >> you're modest in saying that you're not a military expert because i know you have been in foreign service and around that world for almost five decades. so i know you know a lot about these things. thank you for your expertise, a lot of it is in your book, and i encourage people to read it. very soon president biden is set to head to the polish national stadium housing tens of thousands of refugees from ukraine. we'll bring that to you live when it happens. and later today biden is going to deliver what the white house is calling a major update about the state of the war. you're watching a special edition of velshi, live from warsaw, poland. of velshi, live m warsaw, poland lief body wash...

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ukraine's military has so far held off russia's invading army from the edges of the capital city kyiv and on tuesday ukraine's defense ministry claimed it had taken back makariv, but the next day "the washington post" reported that makariv is still contested as a front line. writing, quote, as a team of washington post journalists passed through the checkpoint on wednesday, ukrainian soldiers warned them to leave the town warning them of russian rockets or artillery. minutes later they heard the sounds of bombs following. he joins me now from kyiv. you were reporting on the fact that these battle-type reports of who's in control of what are not playing out in places like

kyiv or the surrounding areas. this is urban warfare, it's block to block, and it's not clear where the front line is that the russians are on one side of and the ukrainians on the other side of. >> that's exactly right, ali. i'm on my way now to one of these front lines to join up with a paramilitary force still fighting. the government claimed they control 80% but they're still in there fighting against russian forces and people are fleeing still. it's a very chaotic situation. so, you know, on the ground there's basically -- it's a fog of war really. no one knows fully what's happening in all these areas, there's shifting front lines. there's not a lack of -- there's a lack of clarity of the russian positions. so it's difficult to figure out things on the ground. and also you have to understand there's another war happening here. an information war, and that's exactly what we see -- what we saw in makariv, the ukrainian

military they want to bolster the morale of the forces, as well as the civilians, so they put out the other day it had been liberated but when we went the other day, it was anything but that, still a contested front line. so you're seeing this happen in many areas around the capital. >> i want to ask you about an article you wrote on march 20th about these americans who have gone in to fight on the ukrainian side. you write, since russia invaded ukraine thousands of americans and other foreign nationals have signed up to fight for ukraine answering a call to action by ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy, in ukraine's brutal modern war, the romance of political convictions can vanish as volunteers get pounded by air strikes or engage in urban warfare on the streets of the

cities. tell me more about this. >> right. there's a lot of people, americans and other westerners coming here, they're driven by passions, emotions, they feel they have this unshakable belief that they're on the right side of history. so they're showing up here even though they have virtually no military experience. some of -- i've met people who worked at a dollar store, a construction worker, a business analyst, some of them may have hunted animals and feel they're capable of shooting russian troops. so they've ended up here, and basically, you know, many of them come on their own, they don't go through the normal process in the u.s. which is applying through a website and then you get vetted and you basically come over here. they bought one way tickets, flew to warsaw and then drove across the border and ended up in kyiv where they basically just asked around, asking people and finally they find english speakers who can point them in

the right direction and they end up in this international legion created by ukraine. this is not to say there aren't experienced veterans coming here, people who had experience in afghan and iraq wars but there's quite a large number of people coming here with -- who are not -- >> and i think we have lost him. he is around kyiv -- all right. we'll try and reconnect with him in a little while. a correspondent at large for "the washington post" and an msnbc contributor. when we come back we'll talk to a member from parliament saying, quote, a woman from mariupol came to hungary with four kids, her own, her sister's and a child of a dead neighbor. she was running on the street

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joining me now is a member of the ukrainian parliament and the deputy chairman of the political party. ms. sovsun thank you for being with us. yesterday you tweeted the national security council of ukraine has announced that russian soldiers have been issued an antidote to chemical weapons, it is possible to assume that russia will probably use chemical weapons against ukraine in the next few days. this is a whole extra level of fear and concern that a lot of ukrainians have and i'm sure

it's being discussed in the meetings between president duda and your foreign minister and president biden this morning. but tell me what more you know or think about the use of chemical weapons in ukraine. >> well, that is basically the extent to what we know and we understand. putin does feel that he cannot show any significant results here in ukraine and understanding his psychology we might assume he can go for desperate steps. one of which can be the using of chemical weapons we know he has the experience of using chemical weapons so that would not be an overkill for him, so to say so. that's one reason we believe they'll be using chemical weapons particularly in areas they need to show results but can't. so several potential cities have been mentioned in that direction, mariupol, kyiv, and potentially the south. just as a way to scare people and to make ukrainians try to

step back. >> let's talk a bit about this new discussion that we're hearing where the russians are saying really this was just about donbas region and everything else has been a distraction. do you think that's true or do you think that's a reflection of the failure of the russian forces to take kyiv and other important parts of ukraine in the early days of this war? >> well, that is definitely the reflection of the changes that has been taking place on the combat field. i do not see russians, you know, getting their troops away from kyiv. on the contrary we do see that russian troops are getting into fights, into battles, around kyiv. as of right now we actually under air-raid alert, which was announced just 40 minutes ago and we do hear some explosions northwest of the city so the major battles apparently taking place there. we're not seeing them surrender in kyiv.

but probably they're now using some political maneuvering in order to explain they're not actually trying to go for kyiv. but again we're not seeing them surrender in kyiv or taking their troops from here or anyone else. >> the meeting between president biden and president duda is under way right now just around the corner from us. you've obviously been watching the nato meetings the european heads of state meetings and the meetings with poland, which have stuck by ukraine. what are you hoping for? what is your aspiration out of this important week of meetings of world leaders? >> what we want from the world leaders is to understand that expression concern, great respect for the ukrainian army is not truly helpful. i'm sorry for saying that, but it's not. what is helpful is giving us the fighter jets. i'm disappointed in poland, who has been a good friend to us who

in the end refused to give us the fighter jets we've been asking for. we're asking for heavier weaponry. we still need artillery, some other weapons that ukrainian army is asking for in order to be able to fight against russians. so we do hope this meeting will not lead to expression of concern and support to the ukrainian people but actually real decisions of what types of weapons to provide for us so we can continue fighting on the ground and make russian surrender. >> i'm going to ask my control room to put up the map of ukraine while we talk about this. as you and i have talked over the last month our viewers have gotten to know you and your family. i want to show, you're from the east, from kharkiv, a city which has seen a great deal of fighting and damage. you're a member of parliament, you're in kyiv. you moved your son out to western ukraine to be in safety.

your boyfriend is a member of civil defense. so there is no part of this war that hasn't touched you like many ukrainians multiple times over. >> yes, truly that is so much true. it pains me to see what is happening in every region of ukraine and we understand that there is no safe area in ukraine. even in my native city of kharkiv, i'm getting messages from people there. yesterday we heard the russians had bombarded the place where people were getting humanitarian aid in kharkiv, several people were killed there. here in kyiv we're hearing some blasts, explosions constantly and we understand the heavier battles are taking place northwest of the city. even in western ukraine my son has been trained to go to the basement when he hears the siren, which even there they get regularly. so there is no safe area here in ukraine and the only way to achieve this safety is just to keep russians out of there.

>> 3.7 million people are estimated to have left the country so far. so many more millions displaced. half the children like your son, martin, not living in the place they should be living. what a catastrophe we are watching. thanks for your time today. ina is a member of the parliament of ukraine. late yesterday the united nations human rights team reported one of the mass graves in the city of mariupol, appeared to hold 200 bodies the city has been under bombardment since the start of the war. mariupol has been without water, electricity, gas and other necessities for weeks, with humanitarian convoys being attacked. more than 100,000 residents who remain are said to be on the verge of starvation. the mariupol police general has

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but in the last month we've gotten to know that city fairly well. it's seen the worst devastation due to russian attacks in the 30 days of this fighting. more than 100,000 people still need to be evacuated from mariupol and taken to safety. sky news sally lockwood has more on that city under siege. >> reporter: it's taken more than a week for these images to reach the outside world. covered in dust, clearly in shock, but a first confirmation some civilians survived the bombing of a theatre in mariupol. eyewitnesses say at least 300 people lost their lives. it's not clear how many more may still be buried here. the building had been packed with more than 1,000 civilians. the word children clearly visible from the air. dionna lived next to the theatre but escaped before the bombing. >> everywhere. it was flooded with people. i know that there were pregnant women brought from the maternity

ward in the hospital that was bombed the days before. they were brought to the theatre because it's like a big building. they put the women with kids or pregnant women in this dressing rooms for the actors. and it was in this part which was bombed. >> they were in the theatre when it was bombed? >> they were in the theatre. they were right exactly the point where it was hit. >> reporter: she said there are now so many bodies they're not all buried and body parts hang from trees. those still living this nightmare have little way of being heard. british photographer max clark recently left with these images and the stories of suffering. >> remain still there, we saw one blackened body when we drove in, and the next day it was missing limbs and had exposed flesh because the dogs had been

eating him overnight. it was pretty hellish. >> reporter: the cries for help cannot be heard but the people of mariupol need saving from this living hell. sally lockwood, sky news. >> thanks to sally lockwood from sky news for that report. i'm live in warsaw, poland, the square behind me, it's empty, there's some pedestrian walking around but you can see a large police presence here and police vehicles over here, because over here, what you can't see is the presidential palace. it's right next door to me. earlier this morning, president biden met with his counter part, andrzej duda. the building has a lot of interesting history. i'll tell you about that when we come back. history. i'll tell you about that when we come back. tle. it not only cleans, it hydrates my skin. as a dermatologist, i want what's best for our skin. with 1/4 moisturizing cream, dove is the #1 bar dermatologists use at home.

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ancestry made it really easy to learn about my family's history. finding military information, newspaper articles, how many people were living in the house and where it was, makes me curious and keeps pulling me in

and the photos reminding me of what life must have been like for them. i want to show you live pictures of a meeting under way at the building next door to me, which is the presidential palace here in warsaw, that's a live shot of a meeting under way between the president of poland, andrzej duda on the right, and president biden who is on the left of that screen, closer to the camera you can see secretary of state antony blinken. they're having a discussion. the interesting thing about president duda and poland is that in recent years, as kelly o'donnell was pointing out, relations between the u.s. and poland have become more strained because poland is a country in which democracy has been backsliding. they've often been on the backside of things, the president of poland recently attended a meeting of

conservative right wing leaders. so all of that has been put aside. the differences of many of these governments have been put aside in the pursuit against russia. not all nato countries have taken that role, poland is concerned that a further invasion of ukraine could go points left of ukraine. hungary has said no weaponry can go through hungary, people can use it but they can't send weapons. so again, poland tends to be the strongest supporter of action by nato against russia. let's listen in for a moment. >> translator: badly needs it. mr. president, we have a very good economic relations. we've got -- in 2021, according to our estimates, we had more than 18 billion u.s. dollars of trade volume desprite the

coronavirus pandemic, other obstacles in the way. we're pleased. we're happy with the u.s. investments in poland we're happy to welcome them here, just as we're happy to welcome u.s. soldiers coming to us in order to to strengthen the eastern flank. we are grateful for this help. let me also stress, mr. president, we are a serious partner. we are a credible ally. we do everything we can in order to live up to the task of defending our country ourselves. that is why we adopted a new bill. the act on defense of the republic of poland and that is as early as next year we will start to allocate 3% of gdp on defense. that is why we want to increase those pendings also in the years to come. we want to equip our armed forces with modern equipment and that is why in the future we intend to buy well tested and modern military equipment that is produced in the united states

of america and of course, we are interested in establishing a corporation with the united states in this respect and we are delighted with every element of this cooperation that is developing such as the possibility to co-produce in poland and right now we would like to have more forms of such cooperation also in the military sphere. so mr. president, all of the bonds that i mentioned. all of that is strengthened by your visit, mr. president. we are very grateful for that. this is also important for the represent i was of the u.s. business circles. so that they feel this place is safe and secure. mr. president, we are so much grateful for your visit, but let me stress one thing, sir. this is a very difficult situation what is happening in ukraine, this russian aggression and this huge tragedy of the ukrainian people.

all of us together are experiencing it with them. this also creates a great sense of threat for my compatriots, for the polish people, because we know what russian imperialism stands for, and we know what it means to be attacked by russian armed forces because our fathers and great-grandfathers experienced that and sometimes our parents experienced that thank you, first and foremost for your incredible leadership and strong leadership and thank you for the very strong voice of the united states which leads us and which very resolutely calls on russia to stop its aggression against ukraine. we stand with the united states and along with the united states we want to pursue this policy and we very much hope for the decisive and strong leadership across the entire nato and we hope that we will further strengthen it. thank you, mr. president, once again for your presence.

>> 25 years ago when i spoke at a university here in warsaw after having led the effort for poland to join nato i used the phrase and my ambassador reminded me of this, i said -- i started off by saying for your freedom and for ours. for your freedom and for ours. i meant it then, and i mean it now. you know, mr. president, we have the most important thing that binds us together is our values, freedom, freedom of the press, making sure that people are -- that government is transparent and making sure people have the right to vote, et cetera, and

i -- i hope we haven't kept you waiting. it is good to be back in this room again, and i hope we didn't keep you waiting too long, but we were discussing a lot of things in private, not the least of which was as i pointed out and my colleagues i am confident agree with me is that america's ability to meet its role in other parts of the world rests upon a united europe and a secure europe. we have learned from sad experience of two world wars that we have stayed out of and not been involved, it always comes back to haunt us in the united states. i've been saying for a long time as a senator who visited here, as a member of the foreign relations committee and now as president, the stability in europe is critically important

to the united states in terms of our interest, not only in europe, but around the world, and so what we talked about is we need stay in constant contact and know what one another are doing. the united states and my colleagues on this side of the table heard me say it many, many times. we take article 5 as a sacred commitment, not a throwaway. a sacred commitment that relates to every member of nato. one of the things that i thanked the president for downstairs, the single most important criteria in this time of a changing world, so much is changing. not just here, but another part of the world is that nato stay

absolutely, completely, thoroughly united and let there be no separation in our points of view that whatever we do, we do in unison and everyone, everyone comes along. i am confident that vladimir putin was counting on being able to divide nato, to be able to separate the eastern flank from the west, being able to separate nations based on past history, but he hasn't been able to do it. we've all stayed together, and so i just think it's so important that we, poland and the united states, keep in lockstep in how we're proceeding and also we do acknowledge that poland is taking on a significant responsibility that i don't think should just be poland, it should be the whole world, all of nato's

responsibility. the fact that you have so many -- so many ukrainians seeking refuge in this -- in this country of poland. we understand that because we have in our southern border thousands of people a day, literally, not figuratively, trying to get into the united states, but we believe that weeks, the united states, should do our part relative to ukraine, as well by opening our borders to another 100,000 people, and in addition to that, i think it's important that we are in constant contact as about how we each wish to proceed relative to what russia is doing and how to proceed, and so i just want to thank you, mr. president, for being available, for being so cooperative, for being and

letting us know exactly what's on your mind and on the minds of the polish people and what they think our responsibilities are. i'll end where i began, and that is we take as a sacred obligation, article 5, sacred obligation, article 5, and you can count on that. i'll end where i began, for your freedom as ours. so thank you very much. [ inaudible question ] >> that's happening in the presidential palace in warsaw right next to me. president biden flanked by the defense secretary lloyd austin and the secretary of state antony blinken dealing with the

president of poland andrzej duda. joining me from warsaw as well, senior white house correspondent, kelly o'donnell. kelly, a very interesting discussion there, but some of the parts that stood out to me is when joe biden said america's ability to uphold its responsibility in the world relies upon stability in europe which basically undergirds what you and i were talking about earlier. the point here is that america can do certain things vis-a-vis russia, but the european countries that flank russia, the former eastern bloc countries are very, very worried about the impact of this invasion in their own countries and their own sovereignty. >> you get a perspective that really puts that in a sort of different land being here and certainly the president is getting that first hand by having the conversations he's having being with leaders who have their own geography so much closer to the conflict than we

do in the united states, and in a broad way we understand the threat to democracy. they understand it in a way that is far more accessible and real because they know the history of what has happened in europe before. they know the proximity and you hear from officials here in poland and from the everyday person in poland, a genuine concern that their homeland could also be at risk because of what vladimir putin has done in ukraine. that is not some big thought for them. it is a practical, daily concern and so the solidarity they're showing for ukraine is for ukraine's benefit and their own and president biden is talking about that and extrapolating that farther into europe and trying to harness the stability that peaceful nations provide each other and to try and keep that unity which is why he emphasizes it again and again. it doesn't mean each country has to agree on every