she urged mark meadows to pursue unrelenting efforts to overturn the 2020 election. and what more? she was made these pleas, just weeks before her husband ruled on a court case, related to the election. now, the big question is this, when will mow brooks and ginni thomas be subpoenaed by the january six committee? as rachel says, watch this space. >> today, president biden sent a clear message to vladimir putin, don't even think about attacking nato territory. today, in warsaw, poland, biden made references to the cold war, and called on western leaders to remain unified against a russian assault on democratic ukraine. >> all of us, here in poland,

must do the hardworking democracy each and every day, that's why -- [applause] that's why i came to europe again this week, with a clear and a determined message for nato, for 37, for the european union, for all freedom loving nations, we must commit now to fight for this long haul. we must remain unified today and tomorrow and the day after, and for the years and decades to come. it will not be easy. there will be costs. but the price we have to pay, because the darkness that drives autocracy is all no match for the flame of liberty that lights the souls of people everywhere! >> just before biden began his speech, a series of explosions hit the ukrainian city of lviv, about 50 miles before the polish border, from the polish border. two of those explosions where

later confirmed to be a russian missile strikes, according to ukrainian military officials. let's go straight to lviv where residents have been ordered to shelter in place, following those explosions. and that's where we found nbc's cal perry. cal, what's the latest you can tell us, buddy? >> so michael, we had those multiple strikes, as you said, that first one coming just about 45 minutes before president biden spoke. we now know the target of that strike. there is a fuel depot about two miles from where i am. it seems like that was directly impacted. not there if it's still burning at this hour, it's about 11 hours ago it was struck. but as you can see, you could see that big thick black smoke billowing over the city of lviv. the second strike was about three hours after that. it was a defense factory, according to officials here on the ground. they're being vague on purpose, and they don't want us to know exactly what was hit. it's not clear if there were any injuries in that second strike. there were at least five people wounded in the first strike.

the message on this very clear, hitting just before and after president biden spoke. and the ability by russians to say they can strike deep into the western part of this country. the western part of this country, that of course, is where we are seeing the support flowing eastward, be that non lethal aid, or lethal aid, it is the place where nato countries are starting to on the eastern part of the country. the other concern here michael, will sort of keep on our eye on this thing as it comes up. there was concern amongst eight organizations that the 300,000 refugees who had taken shelter temporarily in this city, they could be spurred on by these airstrikes, to make their way up on. they could cause a second wave of refugees that is certainly concern here on the ground, michael. >> nbc's cal perry live in ukraine for us, thank you so much, cal. joining us now from krakow, poland, is nbc's dasha burns. that, what are you seeing there? >> well, michael, you just played some -- sound from the president speech

there where he talked about the long haul. he talked about this being more than days, more than months, likely, that the world and poland and of course ukraine will be going through. and the people were talking to, here they are ukrainian refugees, are conflicted about what to do with themselves because, on the one hand, they need to provide some sort of normalcy for their children, it kids in school, tried to live life at the same time, people are conflicted about starting to build a life, whether it's here in poland or other eu countries, americas 100,000 visa announcement came from the president as well. how do you juggle those two things? you want to be close to home, at the same time, you need to find a way to find a new home while your home is being invaded. that's a feeling we heard from elena. this is a woman that embassy spoke to across the border in

lviv, where my colleague cal perry is right now, and we met her as she crossed the border here into poland. and she told me she feels immense guilt for being here, for being safe, while so many others in her home country are not. and she wondered what it would be like to go back home, what's her home would look like. her biggest fear, michael, this is that ukraine -- will be ruled by putin. she said she will not go back to ukraine that was under putin's control. amid all of that though, she's grateful for the generosity of the, polish people. take a listen to what she told me about this. >> these people are showing us the unmatchable kindness. and i really hope that this kind of relationship between ukraine and poland will never end. but i also hope that the will never be a time in their

history when they will call for help in return. i just hope they will not need that >> yeah michael, the whole world, impacted by this invested in this, but poland, especially. and i can't tell you how much this has truly been a grassroots bottom up effort. the government is helping, ngos here are helping. there but it's really come from everyday polish people who support -- the doors that have opened, the donations that have come have been from families that can see themselves, can see the issue on the other foot that they're taking folks like a line. >> nbc's dasha burns live in krakow, poland. thank you so much. i really appreciate it. let's go to our starting night panel. christopher miller is an assistant professor at toughs university. he's also the author of a book putting a mix, jennifer reuben

is an opinion writer for the washington post and then and miss and bc political analyst, and eugene daniels is a white house reporter for politico, coauthor of playbook and an msnbc political contributor. thank you all for being here. chris, we will start with. you your reaction to president biden's speech today. >> the president struck a big note of unity with european allies, emphasizing the cause of the future. i think that's the right tone to strike because there are a lot of costs ahead. both in terms of refugees that need to be supported, the economic costs of sanctions, the reality that there is no plan to end this war anytime soon, and no sign that putin is giving up. it was a sobering message from the president. but the reality, as we saw from krakow in lviv, there is not a lot of good news coming from ukraine right now. >> jennifer, to chris's point, striking that right tone took a

little bit of work and biden's speech came after an important few days for him after meetings with nato and eu leaders. how would you great this trip so far? >> i think it's been a success. this is in some ways the third great war speech. you go back to jfk in 1963 and to brandenburg gate, if you go back to ronald reagan, again in the brandenburg gate in 1987, and now biden, also in a public square on the outskirts, if you will, on the border of democracy with a, in this case, russia, and previous addresses the soviet union. it's really a call to democracies, a call to standing shoulder to shoulder, and this is going to be a long twilight struggle. it will not be solved in a day or week. and although we have seen a

tremendous effort by the ukrainian people, when this fighting eventually ends, and it, well their country will be devastated. the west will have to ban together to help them rebuild, to help them put their lives back together. but i do want to say from that very moving report you just saw, this will be historic memories passed down generation to generation. the polls and the ukrainians will be locked at the hip. the ukrainians are not going to forget with the posted for them. by the same token, ukraine is not going to forget what russia did to them. and that is going to be a long memory that will be passed down from child to child, to child. and that hatred for russia will not cease. >> for eugene, to both chris and jennifer's point, you have the tone, you have the impacts on the alliance and nato and europe overall.

what do you think the white house was trying to accomplish with the presidents trip this week here, at, home politically? where do you think some of those aspects of the mission where >> any kind of involvement the united states may have, whether they're boots on the ground, or funds and funding like we are helping in ukraine, is that americans care most when american lives are at stake. so what's this administration has been working to do and make sure people understand, and this country, it's not just about ukraine. it's about the danger that it's it poses to the countries around ukraine. it's about, as the president, as democracy versus all of our candle talker. see it depends on what day of the week, but he says both. and he's pushing back. there are -- a fix of this war here at home. we've talked weeks and weeks about inflation, most importantly, gas prices going

up. and the american people are behind this president. we've seen his numbers pick up over and over in polls. when they wanted to do with the strip is, one, most important for the world, is to say we have not forgotten about article five of nato, we are here to protect you. this is not just a message to the nato countries but here at home but most importantly to putin. like you said. on the outset, don't try it here. we are going to protect these countries. also, when he went to poland, looking at the humanitarian tears that we have been seeing, millions and millions of people who lost their homes in ukraine, the vast majority of them ending up in poland. that's kind of -- making sure that everyone understands that america has nato and ukraine and poland back. but also as the humanitarian crisis continues to unfold as quickly as it as, they're going

to -- 100,000 ukrainians will be allowed into the country as refugees. making sure people understand that is. well >> let's pick up on that point, chris, you've got the pledge of 100,000 refugees coming to the u.s., a billion dollars in eight. there's a lot that the u.s. has put on the table, international allies have been on the table. bud presidents, kate is a little bit of janet jackson in the. air would have you done for me lately. what do you think the allies, the eu, the nato, u.s., can do more of? and what should zelenskyy expect from that? >> the reality is that ukrainians are appreciative of the ability to move abroad, but they would rather stay in ukraine and have the weapons they need to win the war and have more pressure put on putin to end the war. that's where i think the administration is -- the refugee work is essential, it's a good thing to be doing. but ultimately, the faster the war is and it, in terms that

are fair to the ukrainians, the fewer refugees there will be in case ukrainians can stay in the house and cities. the more pressure we put on russia and the war both in terms of providing military to the ukrainians, imposing more sanctions on russian energy, the more likely it is that putin will come to the table and eventually bring down the conflict. >> jennifer, on thursday, putin said that u.s. sanctions on russia were not imposed to deter putin. rather, to unite ukrainians western allies. if sanctions don't deter russia, and they're not going to impose zone no-fly zone, what are we talking about here? what more can be done? >> i think when you said that speech was essentially cracked. which means, it doesn't deter putin, but it weighs upon him. month after month as his economy goes down the drain, as the olive barks in the military see their country being destroyed, decades of progress

really destroyed, that the pressure will build and build that he cannot sustain. particularly if, as we saw this week, the chinese are apparently not aiding, them not providing military assistance. so there's a cumulative effect that eventually wears russia down. and i must say, it is working. we are hearing these excuses from the russian military that kyiv was such a faint. it was just a distraction. weather really wants is the donbas. of course, essentially, they control the donbas before the whole thing started. so if in fact they are reducing their ambitions, that is a signal how badly things are going. and it's also interesting signal that putin understands how badly things are going. he's not completely cut off from reality. so i think you asked earlier we, need more of everything, more sanctions, more aid, more weapons, and i think you're

seeing each of our european allies and the united states really step up. >> panel, stick around, we have a lot more to talk about. still ahead, trump claimed he had a secret plan to end the crisis in ukraine, but now that he's given us the details, he probably should've, well, kept it under wraps. first, richard louis here with the headlines. hey richard. >> hi michael, very good evening to. you some of the stories we are watching for you first. breaking news, congressman jeff bright from nebraska has resigned after being found guilty of lying to the fbi. the republican was convicted this week on three felony accounts of lying to federal investigators, about illegal campaign contributions from a foreign billionaire. and a letter to house colleagues quote, may god bless you as you labor for the good of our country, help those, need and strive for what is right and just. the congressman said his last day will be march 31st. we're also following two fatal shootings inside shopping malls. one and hides build, maryland,

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the week in iraq meeting with allies, he spotted esther has been insisting that ukraine will be better off if he was still in the oh oval office. >> what we can do is enormous. and we should be doing it, and we should be helping them to survive. they're doing an amazing job, but you, know i was the one that said that everyone can use technology, taking a lot of heat. and i said it in a very open way. >> okay, so that reference to javelins rings a bell, it's because those exact weapons

where the center of trump's first impeachment trial. see, back in 2019, he try to leverage those same javelin anti-tank weapons over ukraine, in exchange for a made-up scandal about joe biden's son. you all remember that. chris, and eugene they're still with us. chris, trump's big plan for countering russia's invasion would be to threaten to drop a nuclear bomb on russia. okay? so it seems kind of obvious, but it's saturday night, so can you explain why that's a terrible idea? >> i don't think anyone wants a nuclear war between the united states and russia. we certainly heard a lot of nuclear threats from president putin in the past couple of weeks. he has put his nuclear forces on high alert and threatened to escalate, if russia feels threatened in a conflict. i think it's definitely fair to say that the u.s. is pushing back more aggressively against putin's nuclear threats, reminding the russians that of course, the u.s. has the more

arsenal, that was just shouldn't ink any type of nuclear forces whether in ukraine or other place in the world. -- reminded that they're not the only country that has a nuclear arsenal. >> this is isn't the first time the former president trump has hinted about a secret plan in 2016. if you recall, he said he had a secret plan to defeat isis. but never really revealed or materialized. so he believes this stuff anymore? i mean, what's the point of all of this? >> this is just to his natural self and brandeis meant, and just, red meat for the base. i want to just remind our viewers, donald trump tried to extort president zelenskyy. the same guy who is now an international hero. donald trump was denying him weapons so that as you said, he could kick up some kind of dirt

on now president biden. every republican who voted to acquit him, and trump, have a moral state. and they contributed to a sense that putin had, that america was not really with nato. they're going to stand with them. that he could walk into ukraine and somehow separate them from their european allies. so just a little bit of history there. as far as putin goes up, he and biden, he and trump we are joined at the hip. let's not forget that trump was really the best propaganda minister that the russians have had in many, many years. he provided all kinds of justifications for everything, from their seizure of crimea, all the way back to their invasion of afghanistan. so this is just a lot of memory holding and an attempt to whitewash history. but i think it's important for

all of us to remember what he did, and what republicans did to frankly, alienate and isolate ukraine, at a time just as now, that they badly need it, or ryan running out of support. >> jeanne, speaking of history. watching president biden with nato leaders this week, i really could not help but think about trump's visit to nato in 2017. now, if you recall, he has shoved the prime minister of montenegro out of the way on camera. now, the question is, how do you think our nato allies are viewing this moment, that trump is not there? he's not the one in charge joe in this particular war. >> one of the things that leaders of countries really like, is stable, rhetoric to have a president who was

president in the things that he said. and most importantly, a president who likes nato, right? and donald trump has spent years talking about, talking down to nato countries, saying that they weren't doing enough. talking about and threatening to pull the united states out of nato. and so, they're more at home. you can look at the way that they're talking with him. a trips earlier this year, despite some of the troubles they had, over that time period, at the beginning of last year, when he was with emmanuel macron. when he was talking with some of these other leaders, there is more of a compass there. and that's very obvious, because of the way that he has talked about nato in the past. and frankly, how he continues to talk about nato, and to act to jennifer's point there, in 2014, when putin to crimea, part of ukraine, or what used to be part of ukraine, trump praised him, right? and continued to praise him at sea bass, continue to prism in

2016 for the same thing. so that is something that when leaders of nato countries look at how president biden has handled what has been going on, how he's brought them together, and whether politicians here in the united states like that idea that they're praising him. that is why they're doing. they're talking about how he helped build this coalition together. how countries do things that they haven't done it for before, including giving weapons to ukraine, something that germany hadn't really wanted to do, for example. and how they think trump would have handled it. right? talking about those secret plans, and those plans being kind of dangerous, and with up the ante for sure if he were president, if those things were to happen. >> christopher miller, thank you for joining us. we'll ever share to be meeting with. us jen and eugene, stick with us. we've got a lot coming up. next, should clarence thomas rescue himself from january 6th related cases? now that we know his wife wanted to overturn the 2020 election. we'll talk about that more with

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well, that's what one of the text ginni thomas, the wife of supreme justice court clarence thomas said to mark wet meadows in the weeks after the 2020 election. ginni thomas repeatedly called for meadows to subvert the will of the people and keep trump in power. insisting and another text, do not concede. the washington post obtained copies of the tax which mark meadows and -- had turned over to the january six committee, and a source familiar with the materials confirmed their voracity to nbc news. jennifer reuben is back with us, and also joining me, barbara mcquade, an embassy and law analyst and a professor at the

michigan law school. barbara, i have to partner for you, first, could ginni thomas be in any legal trouble? and second, does the january six committee have a case to subpoena her? >> so, i think the answer is yes and yes. when you say, in any trouble. i don't know if she faces legal representations, not at this stage. but this really feels like an invitation to a subpoena, doesn't? it they want to find out everything that happened relating to the events of january six. issue was, there someone was putting a lot of pressure on the white house, mark meadows. i think that we want to see the rest of those documents and colors of witness. yes to the subpoena, and not only for her to come and testify, but i want to see the rest of those messages. part of the reporting, michael, is that there's a flurry of text messages between her and mark meadows in the month of november of 2020. and then they abruptly stop. we don't see them again until january six.

is that because mark meadows stopped cooperating and he's holding some back and he doesn't produce them, or did they just stop at that point? we don't know because mark meadows stopped cooperating. so i guess we will start -- you know it would be even better, if the justice department used a search warrant to get these because they won't have to rely on the good graces of mark meadows or johnny tillis, they can just go get them. >> that justice department opens up a whole other door, for sure. jennifer, the bottom line, as we have to be honest about, this clarence thomas isn't going to step down. that's just not going to happen. there are not enough votes in the senate to impeach him. so what is this about? is this more sizzle than steak? >> i think there are two parts to this. one, i want your viewers to understand how crazy this is. all the notary from the bamboo fibers to the kraken, this woman's college educated, she's a graduate of law school, she's the wife of a justice of the

united states supreme court, and she believes the stuff? this shows you the degree to which the republican party has marinated in this toxic soup of crazy for all of these years. and if you think the problem is just some an educated person out there in the heartland, no. it goes all the way up to the top of the elites, the supposed elites, of the republican party. i think, first of all, it's a political statement on how crazy this party has become and what a real threat they are to democracy. but i think the second issue is, clarence thomas, like all justices of the supreme court, has only one thing at his disposal. he doesn't have an army, he doesn't have an enforcement force out there. all he has is credibility. and all the cortez's credibility. and if the american people see that in two cases, one involving a request to throw out a bunch of states that biden won, and another one on

challenging the national archives that is going to turn over information to the january six committee, if he sat on both of those, knowing that his wife was involved in all of this craziness, in the very plot to reverse the election, that is, by anybody's definition, a major conflict of interest. it's not just a problem for him, it's a problem for the entire supreme court and for the chief justice who has been struggling to maintain the integrity of his institution. so i think this is not only a problem from clarence thomas, this is a problem for justice -- chief justice roberts and perhaps they can clean this up going forward. but they also have a problem in the rearview mirror which is a couple of cases where it sure looks like he will be cases -- involved in the action. by the way, she does mention that she talked to her best

friend about these events, and her best friend is widely known to be clarence thomas. >> interesting point. but there are the cases potentially out there, barbara. so even if you won't, can we at least get on the record, should clarence thomas recuse himself from the generous six related cases? , >> i think most of us would say the answer is yes. it gets more complicated because of how the rules work in supreme court. there's a lot of difference to the decisions of the supreme court, as one of the three branches of government that we don't want to have heavy-handed rules restricting them. nonetheless, i think for him to stay on, as an effort to set, with so undermined the credibility of the court. it's already reeling and playing defense. and to have him deciding cases that could have an impact on his wife, i think is deeply disturbing. lower courts have this much higher bar then they have to surmount before they can stand a case and decide a case.

a judge stood he recuse himself, not only if there's an actual conflict of interest, like a financial stake for a family member, or their spouse as an actual party to the lawsuit, but if there's an appearance of a conflict of interest. that is if they impartiality could be question by member of the public. if that's the case, then judges at the district court level in the circuit court level are supposed to recuse themselves. they don't have that at the supreme court. and i think there's been a lot of push for the supreme court to adopt those more stringent recusal rules, and i think it's a kind of thing, if chief justice roberts cares about the institution at this supreme court, maybe it's time to consider. that because if we see clarence thomas deciding these cases, we already know up at least one he's the sole, the center on the case in which donald trump challenged the documents that were being produced by the national archives to the january six committee by asserting executive privilege. all eight other gents desist it was nonsense, and they should be turnover.

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goods. talk about this historic moment and what it meant to you. for >> the good is that judge jackson is so overwhelmingly qualified for this role. in fact, more qualified than many other of the sitting supreme court members when they were nominated. she clerked at the federal justice district court level, the federal level, at the united states supreme court. she's been a judge on the federal district court level, at the court of appeals level. she graduated with distinction from harvard college and other we harvard law school. she's a committed servant. she served as a federal public defender, something that is actually a noble point of service. so what is wonderful is that she's an overwhelmingly qualified. what is wonderful is, look at her with daughter gave her

tremendous pride and joy. what is wonderful is how senator cory booker captured the amazing joy that is represented in her nomination to the united states supreme court. all of this which cannot be taken away by the kind of rabbit, kind of scorched earth politicking that took place among some of the republican members of the senate judiciary committee. we >> so michelle, you've done a good with a good. let's take a little listen to what republican senators had to say a little bat. >> let's focus on actual child pornography cases. >> i am questioning your discretion, your judgment. >> do we expect this committee to believe that you don't remember what happened? >> but their ass in jail? >> can you provide a definition for the word, woman? >> when you approach these child pornography cases, --

>> so on a scale of 1 to 10, how faithful would you say you are, in terms of religion. >> do you agree with mr. brooks that babies are racists? >> your reaction? >> this was absolutely horrific. what it showed was a disdain for the rule of law, and a disregard for the united states constitution. to have a test on how religious she happens to be, these questions about crt should ring alarm bells about entity of the first amendment being trashed by these members of the senate judiciary committee. questions about what is a woman should allow every person in the united states, who cares about substantive due process, and the very notion that substantive due process was on trial, let's be clear that it's through substantive due process, that we get racial equality under the law, that we recognize sex equality under

the law, lgbtq equality under the law. when these senators went after her in this regard, they were not only attacking her, they were attacking our rule of law altogether. and that's what made this so alarming. >> so eugene, was this performative politics just an audition for 2020, republican 2024? >> no, of course not. they never do that. gop would never do that. but that's exactly what it was. but these are folks who are hoping, want to use what they said indeed over the last week, and as going up until whatever next election they have. and also, so republican voters, especially trump voters, people who believe in some of the conspiracy theories that are connected to qanon, how they're gonna view them. how they're gonna have their back. because one, everyone on that committee, everyone on this panel, everyone in america knows that when she is

confirmed, because it does seem that that is most likely to happen, whether she gets republican votes or not. she will be, there will be no switch off power on the supreme court, right? we all know that. so at the very beginning, leadership on the republican side, they were trying to really not make it about race. not make it about her gender. and then we saw what we saw, and it clearly got to the wayside on that panel. you talk about dog whistles. you've talked about the crtc, is this baby racist. things that they knew, she knew have not come up and her legal, and in front of her as a judge. she said over and over again, not alone by their questions, this is how supreme court nomination hearings have gone. auditions for the next presidential election, making sure they can have ads, go in

forward. and that we don't expect anything but that, even though they did promise that it was gonna be a respectful hearing, and that it wasn't going to happen. >> barbara, all the theatrics aside, and to the broader point that eugene is putting up there, how do you think judge jackson held up? i guess even more importantly, does this have a chilling effect on future nominees? sort of look at this and go, why would i want to put myself in my family through that? >> that is a worry, michael. first, i think she did phenomenally well. i think if you are just a and open minded american, and who watches these hearings, and saw in stark contrast her composure, compared to the vitriol that she was getting from the senators. i think you couldn't help but to be deeply impressed. she displayed wisdom. she displayed patience, and she displayed grace. and i think, when you think about the attributes you want in a judge, it is all of those things. you have an unfathomable

demeanor. so i think that was very important. and i think if anything, she looked even better. we have all these amazing attributes that professor goodwin just laid out. and then in addition, we saw her withstand this tirade for several days, including a 13-hour hearing on the first day. so she did amazingly well, and i think she proved her mettle to be even more qualified then when she was going in. but the chilling effect i think, israel. i've heard from other friends who say, you know, thank god she is the one who is up there going through this, because she's a lot stronger than i could be. and i am sure there are a lot of highly qualified people who say, i don't need that. i don't need my parents and my children to be in a hearing room, to hear somebody put me through all of that. so i do worry that it has a chilling effect. but i'm hopeful that there are people who have the courage and the strength to rise above, because it says a lot more about those senators, then it's not about judge jackson, to hear that exchange the day, and the show that they put on. i'm hopeful that this will backfire, and it will have that

kind of effect that will get us to a place of more civility, instead of which we are seeing today. >> michelle, i wanna get your thoughts, in the little bit of time we have left as well. partly about the chilling effect, when you're looking at the impact on the lawyers who would be coming through the judges through this process, and what you do working with those lawyers and judges, what is your take there? >> michael, i'm so glad you asked this question, because there's also a chilling effect amongst those who represent people who are defendant. the fact that she was asked over and over again, questions related to a very narrow set of the jurisprudence that she has had, reflects really poorly, not only on the senate judiciary committee, but it is chilling. if you do want to go into public service, if you do want to go into public service, representing individuals who have been charged by the state, suddenly, now, that comes under attack. and she would be the first person in the united states supreme court to have been a

federal defender. and that is critically important. our first ten amendments of the constitution, the bill of rights, they protect people against the tyranny of the state. that is why it is actually so important that we have public servants who work in a criminal defense, to be in our judiciary. the united states has more people incarcerated than any other country in the world. so it is terrific and perfect that she had is poised to go on to the united states supreme court, and she will be there. i am confident of this. >> michelle goodwin, barbara mcquade and eugene daniels, thank you all for being with us tonight and your time. before we go, folks, the redistricting disaster in ohio that just won't and for republicans. republicans. feeling out of sync? new dove men stress-relief body wash... with a plant-based adaptogen, helps alleviate stress on skin.

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