into poverty because he thinks by being clever, that allows him to cut tax in a couple years time. that's not right. it's a price worth paying. guess >> now, let's just move on. i'm quite keen to talk to you about covid, the pension is brief at the moment but you shared a price with -- throughout the pandemic. so just to put that hat back on briefly. covid cases are rising we've seen more than 16 people fight to help the virus. how worried should we be about that? >> i always said that living with covid is not the same as ignoring covid. but i also said that there will come a point when because of our advances in vaccination, in antiviral medicines, that we will be able to move away from the restrictions that suffers to be in place. two years ago. when you look at where the infection rates are higher

again, in cities from burden, and leads. the vaccinations are still in the 70% region. we still have further to go on vaccination, it's not yet done vaccination, so i encourage the government to put in place more support at a local level to draw those vaccination rates. before we went to lockdown, i want to downing street to meet for sean sin and others. had separate meetings with matt hancock. to discuss the up revelation that would -- these restrictions we supported the national interest. but we also said we would need economic support. from the negotiations came an agreement, that -- would be paid from day one. the sick day has now been stopped. with people getting ill, they need sick pay from day one. >> so we have run out of time, but just to quickly ask you

your thoughts, after the duke and gushes of cambridge curvy into our. they will acknowledge -- questions about the past in the future. and he's not about telling people what to do. do you think this could be the end of the commonwealth? >> no. i don't think the commonwealth would. i think the comparable of wooden door. but obviously those will fight their own judgments and decisions about the membership to the commonwealth. but i felt i'm obviously convinced that the cover -- . and that's really good. >> okay. thank you so much for being on the program today. go to ukraine now, and the city of lviv. for weeks a great way to the west has been hit by explosions yesterday. with that coming, its main goals is focusing on areas in the, east as it tries to secure

the donbas region. so, what's going on in ukraine? we're trying to get a situation on the ground, and putin said -- will now join the emperor e miss murray -- . >> i can see you're in a car, we'll just cross our fingers and hope that everything will be okay. could you tell us a little bit about the -- could you give us a sense about the situation where you are? >> yeah, so we, as you received us very well in a very high level in ukraine. quite recently, we think that mps pacific lee will have to be joining in the diplomatic missions. because, as uk says, no man from's a team to 60 are terrain to leave the country. with you exceptions of this rule, which was the decision of

the highest level taken and supported by the public. at the moment, we are in the regions which represents that we are traveling across country as well. couple of days ago, we had another very important meeting in kyiv. voting on more than 20 laws which are the leads to social life, economy, medical seer, and -- if they have the chance. as the governor and the city mayor of lviv, the city which you mentioned located at the very far west, manage rightly yesterday. there is no more secure place in ukraine. so, you know, when we're being asked are you safe right now? the safety is quite, can be temporary. for the moment we still face harsh difficulties and secure

in the humanitarian corridor. so that's how we are trying to face this issue across the globe so that the international red cross, you age the, are and other international organizations for human rights, and have actual mandates for this what you call it. would play a very better and decisive row. and we salute the efforts of the minister of the occupied territories. she is doing a great job, and more than 7000 people are being rescued every day. so let's say, 90% of the current covid doors to work. we have some shortages in terms of access to some small -- . and now that one of the heroes cities, of course from our view of becoming a symbol of this. gloria's fight of ukrainian

nation against russian invasion. and russian occupation. there are many more of such mary opals which are the smaller cities next to the -- for instance my home city of kharkiv there in the east. just two hours -- sorry 40 minutes away from the russian border. the city of a zoo which is the concept of reason -- and other ones, we are trying to do our best, so that our volunteer groups, which are operating on the grounds, can reach out to people to deliver food medicine or water. when i do have to say is that twice already, russian soldiers just shoot in the civilians who were kidding man to the post office in kharkiv, and to the city hospital till they seek

humanitarian aid. this is a complete disaster, we have more than -- who died and more than injured. this is an actual path of a war crime against ukrainian civilian population. this is definitely not soldiers against soldiers. this is something that is going beyond the normal understanding of what's conduct, if any, are there for. they must keep the general office humanized, organizations are recording these cases. and it's very important to do it right now so that they are not lost. and justice will prevail once we win this war. >> it's so heart wrenching to hear you talk about instances like that in the featuring shooting of people. you've also in your work going around and talking to different countries and apartments. you speaking up about what's happening to women. and you say women have been raped, and hangs in ukraine.

i think we may have lost you. but hopefully we got you. >> yeah the calls are coming in. i scott you. >> what is happening to ukrainian women? >> there is one case which was really why you need to discuss this because it's been recorded, and proceeded with -- . the prosecutors office. and we're not going into details but it's quite scary, a scary scene when a civilian was shot down in kyiv's house, in a small town next to kyiv. his wife was, i'm sorry but i have to say, raped several times in front of her underage child. and this is something which is absolutely unacceptable in terms of talking about it

publicly. because there are many more victims, rather than just this one case which has been made public by the prosecutor general. and of course we are expecting many of more of them, which would be public once victims will be ready to talk about that. we can bring them on. that really made huge wave game, formation wave in the media recently, during this week. i've been interviewed by many journalists. and we will definitely not be silent about it. because, during the -- [interpreter] the war itself is violence. when the violence is sexual, when the violence is horror, what would be was this child who witnessed the mom was just in front of him or her. that's just terrible. let's talk to burrows johnson,

we're talking to your home office. we're talking to hear and he's. we've also raised this issue that this aftermath, with we are dieng with right now. the aftermath of what has to be taken very seriously. and to take into account the uk experience, and the experience of other countries which can help us into -- to help these people to actually lead over with this case. to keep going afterwards. to keep living. to still be living in normality of this world and of this life. that's all we have to write down. but of course justice has to prevail. that's why these cases are being taken very seriously. and we are very thankful for the general who is obviously from kharkiv cities. she's raining herself, but she

takes a very harsh and very strong. and recently she signed a memorandum with two eu countries to pursue with such cases, and exchange information. i'm sure you will enjoy this working group. >> thank you, i know it's so hard to talk about these things but it is so important to give a voice to what is happening. >> absolutely. >> we don't have long left, but just a quick thought from you on the hope that any piece to. it must be difficult for many ukrainians after going through what you have, to imagine striking with any agreement with russia. do you think that will happen? >> president zelenskyy since day one, in his office, always poking about fair piece. and was already ready for direct peaceful negotiations. another part is that we witnessed which is for more than eight years of the russian aggression where the negotiations were on a trilateral continent. between representatives of the

donbas, ukraine, a always see. but russia is never ready for fair peace talks. and we know when we remember the first round, second round in belarus. during this time my home city was bombarded. what kind of approach to peaceful negotiations is that? so, we as ukraine, as the state, also rely on the international humanitarian law. we keep it up every talk. nevertheless, the aggressor is trying to twist it over and use absolute terrible means of office. let's go into -- silly occupied territories of ukraine. let's take their passwords away, etc. and you know, this -- switch happened which is now

being reported. there is no names for them to get away from it anymore. it has been that the wordless have lines through this eight years of war. but now is the time when we have to press russia as a collective last, as a collective society. to be responsible for the actions and brutality which they are conducting right now. so we do believe in peace, but only based on international law, and a piece which is a fair piece. >> okay, thank you so much for being on the program. we really value forces out of ukraine. so we appreciate your time today. >> thank you very much. >> well, some tough listening there about violence against women and girls, being castrated. in ukraine. and saying that is the theme, the governments independent advisor on violence on women and girls says the uk, and cut

-- and calls the country's handling of the situation actually terrible. i sat down this week with nicole ali, and she said she was already worried about safeguarding refugees and their -- talk about kyiv racism and police well time she spent with -- let's listen gun i just want to talk initially about ukraine you see women. good >> in the house being the victims. we spoke to ukrainian deputy prime minister, on the program last, week she was saying she heard horrible stories about women being -- and then murdered. how concerned are you about what's happening to women and girls in ukraine? >> i'm very much concerned. i think we always think towards about guns and bombs but, if it's about women's bodies. we are hearing stories of human trafficking on the borders, but

ultimately, our -- horrific thing in something we need to be aware of. >> you mention about sex trafficking on the borders in poland. what kind of things are you hearing, howard are you about what's happening? >> you know the whole thing is, with the patriarchy, and those who want to pry on women in vulnerable children -- much medic incidents, isis. -- there are stories of girls gone missing. this is the thing, it's a large scale -- and traffickers -- >> of course, these are people who arrive to most vulnerable. they just fled war zone. >> understand. and they're just looking for safety. -- traffickers. there's a conversation that we need to have about the sex industry, and how women and girls are ruled into that conversation. across, europe there's not the conversations we need to be having -- six industry, is a part of the

-- women and girls as of -- as opposed to some kind of business, essentially. >> so the uk's obviously preparing for ukrainian refugees to start coming here so the friends in family scheme, to the homes for ukraine skin. how much support do you think needs to be in place for women and girls who have obviously been this dramatic experience, but also maybe the only vulnerable themselves? >> i think we have to take a closer. look i think the government has to do everything i can in order to be able to support women and girls, coming back to the question -- about human trafficking -- i think it's something we have to be aware of. it's a conversation that's not readily had in the uk -- i think we kind of sensationalized it as something -- or a job but i do think that there is a massive problem, and we will see that through the sex industry, and the abuse that women fallen into. >> is that something you're actively pushing in your -- and looking at the sex industry? >> it's something that i was

very much keen on talking about when we do the consultation. the fact that i don't think prostitution is a choice. i see it is a -- some people think that's a relic you to have, but i think it's a few lot of young women have at the moment. i would welcome -- within the criminal justice system, will be looking at the sex industry as a form of harm to women and girls. >> talking again about two ukrainian women, how much are they of concern to you? we are getting this influx of refugees who are the most vulnerable into people's homes. is your safeguarding issue? there >> is deafening a safeguarding issue. i don't know -- -- there's this idea that because the europeans and they'll be a lot safer in terms of mixing with westerners. within that kind of concept, we've seen those i want to take advantage of all know people, will use this opportunity,

where people are looking for safety in order to abuse them. we have to be wary and conscious of the fact that there are some people who don't have the best intentions, when they talk about taking refugees in. it is a speed issue, isn't there? getting there quickly, getting them into housing quickly, but also doing the necessary checks. are you worried that the trucks may fall by the wayside? >> i think because these conversation, the checks will happen, but it's less rigid nature of the refugee schemes. when people are coming in from overseas -- such as myself, there was a lot more scrutiny. there is a lot more safeguarding that was in there because we understand a lot of these people couldn't speak the language, and would find a heart integrated mix i think we need to be wary -- just because their european, and the refugees, they're not gonna be as vulnerable as others. >> you talk about your -- you came to the uk's are, if

you didn't? you >> at a g7. i said that before, but i think london has a very special place in the world. there are a lot of people who are very conscious of what the ukrainians are going through -- the syrians the sudanese there's a lot of people who actually understand the realities of war, which is quite horrific. >> i know everyone's, different day, but as the seven old refugee coming here, will kind of thing do you think a seven year old ukrainian girls will be thinking of they are arriving to the uk? >> i think that space of being home. one of the things i was lucky, i lived in the uk prior to me coming. that sense of peace and safety. you really can't put a price on the ability of being able to sleep and not have bombs going off. it is a triggering thing seeing -- again, i bring it back to the whole point, because i know we're looking at ukraine at the moment, but there are still war goes on syria, there's things in afghanistan another places. children around the world are scared. that is something that we shouldn't take for granted.

>> you mentioned afghanistan. how much of a do you think we have to afghanistan, given this country's role in the war there? >> i think we have a massive duty. i think we should be embarrassed with how we've dealt with it. for me, as a muslim, brown girl, the inhumanity with the way women are being treated, completely disregarded -- >> why do you think we should be embarrassed? >> the whole point is, we can't run. i think the big countries have a role to play. and this idea that we can reason, and legitimize the taliban, who are people, -- is actually quite wild in my thinking. i say that is somebody who deals with men who are consistently trying to rollback the rights of women have. the taliban don't care about women. we should make that clear. we should be doing as much breeze we can to be able to support -- with the world looking, for a legitimate alternative to the

taliban. >> when you say we, who do you mean by we? when >> i speak as a former child refugee, and as a feminist, an activist. i think both the uk and u.s. will -- terrible in the way that they have venison. >> just to bring to the uk. i think it's interesting the point you make about race. it's a very different issue -- was what happened with child q. this is a 15 year old girl who was in the uk, in london, pulled out of an exam and strip searched, while on a period, by the police, while teachers were outside the room, because she was suspected of having -- and there was no drugs found on her. what's your reaction to that story? i personally found it incredibly shocking. what was your reaction? >> it's ongoing, case in something that should horrifies all. i think the idea of a child being stripped searched, whether they're female or, male

is something we should be up to tolerate in this country. >> and it says, in some of the reports, racism was a factor in that. >> it's not that racism -- i remember when the race report came out, and a lot of people wanted me to comment on that. this country is one of most tolerant countries in europe, but is there more for us to do, yes there is. i think covid has brought out a lot of unrest within people, enough kind of experienced in the last two years, really horrific experience of racism's which, i never thought the uk could be capable of. ultimately, we have to talk with the metropolitan police institutionalist. -ism >> -- by the serving police officer, really shun light on sexism. i just want to read some of the messages. these were exchanged by officers. they're exposed by report with the -- i would happily rape you i will

save you. you have a sliver, misses it makes them love you more. since i did, that she won't leave me alone. do you think there is misogyny? >> 100 percent. i think there's misogyny across this country, at the moment. things were not talking about. ultimately, it's again -- prostitution being seen as work, we are actually paying for human rights and liberty, to get to have sex with you or not. access the porn. there's a lot of things that have gone unchecked and corroded the way that we have a social contract. i say that on day-to-day basis. i think the social contract between men and women in this country is kind of broken, and we are completely moving -- living on two different land. >> boris johnson said -- do you think he's in the same side of the debate as you are? >> i think anybody that understands biology understands -- i'm not here to say that i don't believe that chinese people should have rights. i fundamentally do. i've shared platforms way

before anybody else did with trans women, and i completely understand how the law has to work -- these conversations. i don't think that should take away the rights that women are still fighting. for i >> guess some that were argue that trans women are so women and are also, at risk -- >> the reality is that trans women are being murdered by men. the people that are killing trans women on, the same people that are killing women -- i do think -- i do support the protection of trans, women forward i don't support is this idea that feminist like me, and women who are fighting for -- issues that biological women are facing. we are not the enemy. the enemy is male violence, in those things up to change. >> there were reports that you are in childcare bubble, amid the prime minister and his wife. this was of course -- restrictions. at the time, you tweeted to say,

i had two days of racist discussing tweets -- chose to attack me in a non true story. no i did not break any rules. this is your chance to clear up what exactly happened. >> i think that we said it all. the fact that i didn't break any rules. what was really interesting was the number of people who understood that i didn't break rules, with semi private messages but not say anything publicly, with the hateful things i was getting. >> so, you are in childcare bubble which was a lot of the time with the prime minister? >> no rules were broken. the whole point is -- we trivializing the fact that -- tom about trans rights and everything else like that, something that was illegal that happened in 2020, should not be the main bit of news today. >> did you visit the number 11 flattening time? >> no. >> have you been contacted by the police? >> no. >> quick andrea, weekly podcast

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it's fitting that you're from derby of, course, because you've always taken your role of constituency mp so seriously. i want to talk to you about ukraine. first, i thought i get your reaction to what nimco ali about afghanistan. you can the u.s. just cut in run, she said i speak as a former child refugee, and a feminist activist, i think both the uk and the u.s. are actually terrible and the way they handled afghanistan. you obviously visited the countries, when you were foreign secretary. do you think we couldn't run? >> i can understand that that is your view. i don't think anybody would argue that the exit from afghanistan was handled well. there seem to be a lot of questions. there are a number of inquiries going on into exactly would happened and why it happened like that. it does feel very much as if not enough thought was given,

either to how the leaving of afghanistan would be handled, or indeed, as to how we can do more to help in save guard when we left behind. >> yes, it is important. -- while the situation in ukraine remains what it is as well. president biden, yesterday, sounded an awful lot like he was calling for a regime change in russia, when he said that putin cannot remain in power. was he right to say what he did? >> i'd rather like we seen joe biden. i know he gets a lot of criticism, but he strikes me of being somebody who has strong feelings. is inclined to then voice them. you know, maybe we don't get quite enough of that sincerity and reaction from people in our political world. i'm sure that his staff in the people around him right to say

america's not calling for a regime change, but equally, i think many people sympathize with the sentiments that led him to say what he did. >> do you think that something that you've seen changing politics, and the use that you've been there? people speaking, a little bit less directly, i suppose. >> i'm not sure is changed. i just think that joe biden is more than most of us, a man who strong feelings and emotions, and he's inclined to say when he feels. >> it's difficult, isn't it, for the west trying to work out the right reaction to the war in ukraine. you see these were horrific war crimes being committed. of course, there's concerns from the west about what escalation would mean, and the consequences of that escalation. do you think that the uk has got it right, in the sanctions it's imposed, supplying defensive weapons, stopping short of our for that

escalation, i suppose? >> i think it's a very difficult balance to strike. we are right, of course to do everything we can to support ukraine. sometimes -- [interpreter] okay, let's and troops in. i can't -- am i really advocating a war between nato and russia? because the idea that that would be better, i do find quite worrying. it's horrendous, the situation in ukraine. we have to do everything we can to help. to be drawn into a -- i don't think anybody would thank us. >> we heard from ukrainian mp earlier on the program. she said the shoe -- people have been have planned to what's been happening with russia and ukraine in previous years. do you think the west has previously taken its eye off

the ball, with vladimir putin and russia? >> i think there's been a perfectly natural wish on everybody's. part the whole -- turn peoples approach towards russia. people hope that russia would more and more come into the, what we might, call the mainstream, of our political relationships. i'm very mindful that at any time, this past ten or 20 years, if you talk to people in eastern europe, or rather, if you listened to people in eastern europe, who had experienced being under russian rule, they'd never had this sanguine approach. they were always worried, suspicious, looking over their shoulder, saying, russia hasn't really changed. there are people in the baltic states who will not be remotely surprised, i suspect, at what

has happened in ukraine. they do see themselves as being next in line. in that sense, i think it's been something of a divide, where the rest of us, who have been that experience, have been inclined to want to see the best and hope for things to change for the better in russia, but people who have lived a shovel russia rule, have always been much more wary. i'm afraid, it seems that we should listen more to them, at the time. >> i think listening is perhaps the key word, isn't it, rather than talking, as you said. you've announced you're going to be retiring as a member of parliament. your 40 years -- first female foreign secretary. are there any specific memories that you're always going to keep from her time in the house of commons? >> lots. too many to go into. one of the things that i would say, when i was first elected,

roughly speaking, if somebody said there was a photo call for all women mps. you only have to look around, and you an idea whether we were all there or not. now, i mean, you know, it's not remotely like that. indeed, there was a turning point when we used to have a special secretary -- just for the ladies. i think it was after the 87 general election that i came back, and my peg had moved. oh, there's so many of you ladies now, we have to make it alphabetical. there are lots and lots of different memories. most of them good. >> most of them good. that's nice. you're also, of course, labor's first female leader. when you are pointed acting leader in 1997, you said since,

the reason the party never elected in female leader is because it was just never was the right person at the right time. come on, the labour party was founded in 1900. you really saying it's never been the right time for fema leader? >> he told don't realize as practices in politics, how much luck there is in politics. the classic, example marker that year. margaret thatcher would never been the leader of the conservative party, if ted he's having to really offended so many people and upset them so much. they were prepared to have anybody, as long as it was in him. she got the credit for being willing to stand against him. if one of the men had stood against him, she wouldn't have been the leader of the party. it's a huge amount of luck. personally, by the, way my view is the -- speech she would've been an absolute star. it was never quite the right

time, so and so, this -- [interpreter] happens at every level. -- there is an enormous amount of luck in politics. the luck hasn't worked out so far for our female colleagues. it will. >> finally, -- is there a thing you're looking forward to doing? i know you're a keen caravan or. people always remember those images of you on your caravan holidays. would you looking forward to do more of? >> we had to give up our caravan about a year ago because of my husband's health. i'm thinking about whether or not to try and get a motor caravan, there's a space thing about it that's all. i haven't quite settled into what i will do. >> i'm going to leave you

there. i know he was the one who, so many people were so fond of seeing around. that's spoken to about the wonderful man that he was as well. my best wishes to. thanks for being on the show. >> that is it for this week's so if you are john sunday. a very powerful interviews on the show. in a moment, we'll be talking -- with our.

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on sunday. the take, when we take a moment to reflect on get some our thoughts on what we just heard over the last hour. our lead guest this morning was the education separate terry, nadhim zahawi. we had a big discussion about school funding, for instance,

but also, on ukraine. talking about president biden's comments, and also trying to get a bit of a sense about whether any peace deal could be struck. whether the uk would back that, and under what conditions. that was the kind of thing we're trying to unpack with him, as well as some of our other guests. as always, some of the most powerful voices coming out from ukraine, as well. let's bring in our adaptive political editor, sam coats. who's regular face to you. you're in a different position, making the most of the sunshine this morning. >> sophie, that's right. in the last few days, it's been the first glimmers of something quite important. we had those hands from moscow that perhaps the kremlin is looking to scale back. potentially focusing on the donbas, rather than taking the capitol.

at the same time, as you've been reflecting on the show in the last hour, you have the ramping up of -- what would happen in the event of successful peace talks. it's very early days on that, but last, night president biden threw a -- into the proceedings, by suggesting that for this to end president putin has to go. forgot, sake this man cannot remain in power. if i was to pick on one highlight of your show in the last hour, sophie, it was nadhim zahawi, who was, i'm afraid this is the best word i could think of using, he was mansplaining the u.s. president in the very best way that somebody like him would. he announced that the white house had been very clear that president biden was talking about an illegal invasion, that's with the president is talking about. nadhim zahawi making quite clear that president biden wasn't saying that is --

and that he knew better. >> it's interesting, isn't it? if your nadhim zahawi, he knows it would be very bad if you just came out and said, yes, joe biden was completely wrong to say that, and he shouldn't have done. reading between his lines, he was very clear, right from the beginning of the question that it's up to the russian people to decide who the president's. we know what he was getting, at don't we? >> we do. it reminded me of many occasion, where a free thinking junior minister stepped at the, line of the senior and the cabinet had to firmly put them back in their place. >> let's have a listen to some of what the education secretary had to say, shall we? we are talking about the joe biden comments, but i was also asking him about whether or not sanctions against russia would be dropped if there was a peace deal. again, this is trying to find out the outlines of any diplomatic solution. that could be struck.

>> any peace deal any piece as still has to take into account the will of the ukrainian people. i also think zelenskyy is right about this. anything serious peace deal has to be negotiated face-to-face between president zelenskyy and putin. that is the only way putin is going to be serious about this. i think the only thing that the regime understands is the strength of the military response from the ukrainian military. and of course the sank and the resolve of the cranium people. so i think they are exactly right, all of this will not be taken seriously by him or the ukrainian people unless putin is prepared to sit down with him. the russian illegal invasion has to and. and the russian army has to leave the ukrainians up to the ukrainian people. they must be very much the people who decide what that looks like.

>> saying that it is up to the ukrainian people, of course, you can see how it would be difficult for ukrainians to stop thinking about negotiations with russia, when war crimes are being committed in their country. and i always want to say we are always keen to get voices out of ukraine and heard to people on the ground there. this time we spoke -- to, and she told me that ukraine's president was always worthy of pre-stocks. >> witnessed for more than eight years of the russian aggression, where the negotiations were done good to go between representatives of the donbas, ukraine, and we'll see that russia is never ready for fair peace talks. and you know, whether we're in the first round, second round in belarus. during this time my home city was bombarded, one-timer of a

pro trip peaceful in the case she oceans is that. >> it's hard to disagree with the u.p. angry is saying there. -- >> darn exactly, but what is interesting is that something has changed in the british government. and i think that was reflected in that interview. if we were to take an interview that liz truss, the foreign secretary did with the times, back then she said that she thought that the peace talks that were going on at that point or just a smokescreen. she was very skeptical that they could result in any kind of resolution. being a pretext for russia continuing to commit war crimes in ukraine. fast forward a week, she is giving another interview in which she says the conditions

to remove the sanctions that britain in the whole west are putting on president putin. on russians in order to squeeze him and change his mind. making clear that you have to withdraw the army entirely before any sanctions could be removed. and nadine effectively confirming that that is now the government's position. i think it's interesting that britain has moved into a place where talking seriously about these peace talks. potentially having some kind of resolution, some kind of impact. with just a week ago the foreign secretary saying the opposite. >> yes, it's something clearly that something to shift. perhaps with what russia has been saying as well. rewriting history, talking about with that main objects with his well. thank you very much for your analysis, as always. welcome back to you after the short break. because he'll head, we'll be talking about what's they've done to tackle the cost of living crisis.

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hello, welcome back to sophie ridge on sunday. the take! it's been a difficult week for the chancellor, and we know of course the rocketing cost of living. everyone would've seen it every time you fill up your car, or look at your projected energy costs. and a difficult wicket you like, for a man who hug his cricket analogy. i did talk to the education minister whether -- had done enough in his statement. and how he helped families who would be struggling. >> we are, today, in a global battle against inflation. literally. the world is battling this in the u.s., in europe, we are to. what does that mean to the consumer? your viewers? when you're battling inflation, the costs of everything from your shipping baskets to your energy is going up. would richie dead actually was

luckily who know is more fungible. so we've doubled the size of the help. >> so has he done? enough >> he's put 22 billion for one year of help. and i put one billion of it for energy. and the rest of it is -- p making people on universal credit, they keep more the money. >> do you think he has done enough? >> i think he will continue to keep an eye on this. it's only right. it's irresponsible for me to say job done because edgy prices are volatile, inflation remains high. so it would be absolutely responsible to say that we're done. >> that was the government lying, that's the latest sign so for him to have the presence, this presents -- >> just declare something, up he gave his subsequent statements after he finished with that support. and relied from the bench for

support. was that you? >> yes that was me. and the reason that was me was that i saw ritchie, and what was a incredibly serious time. we talked about ukraine, failed to rise to the moment, failed to deliver for the british people, i had more room to maneuver in this state. but rather acting in the interest of the british people, he was playing games, he was acting in his own interest, because he thinks if he can offer a tax cut in two years it will help him politically with the contacts, or that would fit the grid. he's a -- chancellor. he's mister tax and it is buster -- >> jennifer there. let's bring simon in -- good >> listening to john today. it feels like they really listen to blood when it comes

to richard. that's >> right, if you go to the garage in order to finish your car, you're more likely to feel of somebody else's car as well. the price that you are paying's eye watering. in those increase, and the amount equal pay is, is just all sorts of points from your life. food prices, energy bills, the cost of about everything. so this is, what's -- advisor told staff on. -- and yes labor, labor sent blood. and what was interesting about what jonathan ashworth said, is he made the case that richard didn't do enough. now, what's interesting is that richard once he had done all of his spending, and paid the high debt interest costs, did had 39

billion pounds more or less boring than he did at the time of his autumn budget. so there is flexibility for the chancellor. now, what's interesting, is that essentially what they deem the whole weekend, the energy sector once a puts pressure on richard sunak to keep everything under view. in other words, potentially step in with further measures that many said, will help with cancel tax, they think that's the best way of getting money into the more struggling households. there is a desire to help more. of course, notably in the budget, there was no attempt by richie for to operate benefits, but i think that is gonna be some pain and some concern among members of the cabinet. >> yes i picked up on that pressure. from the dean zahawi as well. it's the right thing to keep them to do. thank you for your analysis, thank you sam. >> it certainly does feel like

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