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hi, everybody. welcome back. i'm yasmin vossoughian. those nine words, five seconds, and the ad-libbed line that continues to reverberate globally today. >> for god's sake, this man cannot remain in power.
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>> that comment leading to angry reaction from the kremlin. a scolding from a key ally, and a cleanup effort by the white house. coming up in just a few minutes, we want to look at the deeper question of what exactly to do about the russian president if regime change is not the goal here. how does the u.s. and the world deal with the accused war criminal if he's still in charge when this war ends? that conversation is coming up. also ahead this hour, the fallout from a political story here in the u.s. that may undermine one of the pillaroffs american democracy, the supreme court. unhinged and factually challenged emails from ginni thomas to the white house chief of staff leading to serious questions about the separation of powers and undermining the very idea of the political impartiality of the nation's highest court. >> you have the wife of a sitting supreme court justice
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advocating for an insurrection, advocating for overturning a legal election to the sitting president's chief of staff. and she also knows this election, these cases are going to come before her husband. this is a textbook case for removing him, recusing him from these decisions. and i don't think -- all i hear is silence from the supreme court right now, and that better change in the coming week. >> let's begin with the latest in ukraine. earlier today, ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy spoke with french leaders calling on french firms to halt operations inside russia. and also asked for the french military to aid ukraine with tanks, anti-tank weapons and air defense. this is on the heels of russia claiming responsible for the missile strikes that hit lviv yesterday. ali arouzi is in lviv for us. good to talk to you once again. last week spoe, there had been
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some air raid sirens and i'm hearing something again behind you, so walk us through what has takeb place over the last hour or so and what you're hearing now. >> that's right. so the air raid sirens that went off just before we came on air with you were the warning sirens. they were telling people to go down and take cover because there could be something incoming. this is now the all clear. so you know it's the second one in succession and you can hear a voice going off in ukrainian right now, but it's now telling people the danger, whatever it may have been, has been averted. and just to give you a sort of idea of how these air raid sirens work, they're not specifically for each city or town that you're in. they cover quite large areas of ukraine. so we heard earlier, and we can't confirm it, that there had been missile strikes in a province neighboring where we are, lviv, and that's what may triggered that air raid siren about 1:15 ago. usually, there's some english
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with this too. i can't understand what they're saying, but from the pattern that's evolved, this is the all clear. it's a drill here that most people, journalists, people that have fled the east and people that are living here in lviv have become very acquainted with. anyway, even when that air raid siren went off, there would be very few people in the streets because there's a very strict curfew here at 10:00. this martial law 10:00, and the streets totally empty. that air raid siren coincided with the martial law time of 10:00 p.m. curfew, and they all happened together. this seems to be the all clear now. also, people are taking these air raid sirens here enlviv a lot more seriously after yesterday's attack. you might have said that two weeks ago, people were a little more complacent because they went off so much. after yesterday's attack, so close to the city center, it's made people a lot more aware and a lot more people now go into
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those aid raid shelters than they would have ten days ago sxrb because it was a pretty serious attack to the center of lviv, something we haven't seen before. the russian defense ministry confirming what we talked about yesterday, what ukrainian officials told us, they hit a large fuel depot, they hit a military factory of some sort. with long range precision missiles that were launched from the sea. so that's a wake-up call for everybody here that luleave lviv could also be a target. it seems like the targets in and around the last three weeks have been miitary installations or places for troops fighter in the east, but that fuel depot was also close to residential building. if the coordinates were slightly off, it could have done serious damage to civilians in their home at that time. >> all right, ali arouzi for us. thank you as always for your
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reporting on this, my friend. >> want to get to that fallout from the final words of the president's speech in warsaw yesterday. sparking this global uproar after seeming to suggest a drastic change in u.s. policy when it comes to russia and the russian president. >> a dictator bent on rebuilding an empire will never erase the people's love for liberty. for god's sake, this man cannot remain in power. >> so shortly after that ad-libbed moment from the president, a walk back from the white house denying the comment was in relation to a russian regime change. those clarifications from the administration continuing today. with secretary of state blinken amid a mixed reaction from lawmakers and other officials as well. >> the white house made the point last night that quite simply, president putin cannot be empowered to wait for or
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engage in aggression against ukraine or anyone else. as you know, and as you heard us say repeatedly, we do not have a strategy of regime change in russia. >> any time you say or even as he did suggest that the policy was regime change, it's going to cause a huge problem. this administration has done everything they can to stop escalating. there's not a whole lot more you can do to escalate than to call for a regime change. >> in the mind of putin, someone who hawatched and rewatched, you know, old videos of gadhafi being taken and killed, this kind of thing, it will play on his mind. and it could complicate matters going down the road. >> all right. joining me now, retired admiral, james stavridis, also david rode. welcome to you both. thanks for joining us on this. >> admiral, let me start with you on this one and talk first about kind of the words that the president used at the end of his
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speech. i was speaking with congressman moulton in the last hour, and he actually said that he felt as if one of the reasons the president should not have said this and it was important for the white house to walk these comments back it is could feasibly trigger vladimir putin to do something he would not have planned to do because there's now this possibility of regime change out there. do you agree with that? >> here are the words i focused on in the speech as a former supreme allied commander in nato, that the united states has a sacred obligation to protect every inch of the territory of nato. that's what i heard. at the end of the speech, i look at that as almost a personal creed decower, as the french would say, a cry of the heart, a kind of how can this man continue in this job? look, we have called -- the predhas called him a war criminal. he has called him a killer. putin has called himself a thug in his own memoirs. i don't think there's anything big or new here, and i think the
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white house is perfectly justified to simply say no, we're not in this for regime change. all my conversations with the administration would indicate the same. let's focus on what the speech was actually about, which is the unity of the nato alliance. >> pick up on that for me, because that's much of what i talked about in the last hour. it's not like vladimir putin didn't thing this is what most americans felt. what most american lawmakers felt as well. to a certain extent, people heard the president say that and said oh, he's saying the quiet part out loud. what is your assessment of what we heard from the president yesterday, and should the white house have even corrected what the president said? >> i think what the president said was a mistake. and i think because it reduces the chances of putin at least in the near term agreeing to some kind of settlement in ukraine, agreeing to pull back his forces. it plays on his paranoia that
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this is about removing him from power. it gives him propaganda he can tell the russian people proof that you see this is all about an american/european takeover of russia. i thought it was unfortunate and a mistake in the short term. the reality is, unless the united states wants to invade russia, we cannot remove vladimir putin from power. you know, you see that in north korea, kim jong-un has survived years of sanctions. you have seen it in iran where the regime there and the leader has survived years of sanctions there. so i think it was a mistake. i don't think it's the end of the world, but americans need to be realistic. if you're going to call for a foreign leader to be removed from power,ia have to bewilling to go to war, and we're not, and we should not. >> david, to your point, you think about syria and bashar al assad, and at one point obama saying assad needed to be removed from power, and now
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assad remaining in power and trying to rebuild his legacy and leadership in syria amidst all that has happened, the half a million people he's killed with chemical attacks inside his own country. but i have to challenge you on the fact that it's not like the united states has not historically been in the business of regime change. you brought up iran. you bring un1953 and the removal of power from iran. if vladimir putin wanted evidence, he had evidence. he could also make it up as he often does. with his own state-run media. whether or not the president said this or not, if vladimir putin wants to make the russian people believe this is what the united states wants, he will make them believe that. >> yeah, look, i think overall biden administration has done an excellent job. it was a very strong speech. i agree with the admiral, not one more inch. that was the kind of, this was an epic speech, you know, john kennedy saying i am a berliner. this is ronald reagor saying
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tear down this wall. but i think it was a mistake to add that ad-lib at the end. we can and should contain russia. we should maintain incredibly harsh economic sanctions. we should isolate russia diplomatically, but we're not going to be able to topple him. in the long term, let's turn it into a pariah state. syria, yes, assad hangs on, but his influence in the region has diminished. north korea, kim jong-un hangs on, but these are pariah states. maybe eventually russians will force putin from power. but it's not something we should be publicly saying. >> it was an incredible speech, and it was an incredibly powerful, i would say, and somewhat unprecedented obviously, just 200 miles away from where the war was happening while bombs were dropping in lviv, it seemed a message from vladimir putin to both nato allies and president biden. but what's interesting to me is
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also the assessment from the ukrainians. every ukrainian i spoke to on the air yesterday after the speech was thank you, but we need more. thank you for support, thank you for the humanitarian aid, thank you for the military aid. but we need more. and we heard this morning from the u.s. ambassador to nato on morning shows saying, of course, that they will not be providing, united states will not be providing as of this moment post soviet era planes to ukraine despite them asking and saying other nato nations are able to if in fact they want. why do you thing that is? we're providing weapons, why not planes? >> first of all, i'm in favor of providing the planes. i think it makes a great deal of sense. the ukrainians can fly them. and the modalities of how to get ukrainian pilots in the plane and back to ukraine, complicated. need to figure it out. i think it could be done. to your question, what more can
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we do, the biden administration is sailing, i have said this before, nautical metaphor alert, a narrow sea here between the kind of confrontation between nuclear powers that we want to avoid, a tactical confrontation between our pilots and their pilots, and doing everything we possibly can. in my view, adding combat aircraft to the mix makes some sense. i think we need to also continue to explore former soviet russian air defense systems like the s-300, a kind of a patriot like system. get those in there. give the ukrainians the tools they need to create that no-fly zone. but no, don't put nato pilots up there. to me, that is a lot more provocative than the president's nine words at the end of his speech. you know, both sides are going to use rhetoric. and frankly, if it plays a little bit with putin's psychology, i'm okay with that.
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>> david, what do you think about this shifting of focus, it seems, for the russians in saying that we're now going to be focusing on the eastern part of ukraine? was this essentially vladimir putin admitting he's losing the war, he's losing kind of his initial what his initial goals are in changing them? >> yes. yeah, i agree. it's gone extremely badly for russia, unbelievable, you know, numbers of casualties. thousands of troops, thousands of tanks. so it is an admission of how badly things have gone for him. i think that's a diplomatic opening. i come back to this again. i covered the war in afghanistan, the war in bosnia. i see this as a protracted steal stalemates that's going to go on for months and months. putin, it's horrible what he's done, but you need a way to step back and end this, because more and more people are going to die. neither side is going to win.
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that's what we have seen happen in these conflicts over and over again over the years. and hats off to the ukrainians. i agree that we need to continue to supply them with weapons they need. it's astounding what they have done, and we have to keep sending those supplies into ukraine. >> david, i keep kind of honing in on this one point that i want to talk quickly about before we wrap. and that is this, i remember the poll, i can't remember what year it was, but president obama and president putin, and they had this quiet conversation and there was kind of this iconic photo of that moment, if you remember. i can't help but think how that moment could happen again after the words that were exchanged yesterday along with the atrocities the russian president has committed inside ukraine. the killing of so many children. >> look, i agree -- if you look at syria, it's a catastrophe, so this isn't a best example.
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a peace deal was reached in bosnia where terrible atrocities were carried out, and it was reached after the u.s. armed bosnian muslim and bosnian croat forces and they were taking ground from the serbs. there were subsequent war crime investigations. it's possible to have israelis, the chinese for that matter, mediate some kind of cease-fire and let them take the credit and give putin a way out in the short term. in the long term, we must isolate him, contain him, weaken him, and discredit him. if we can get a cease-fire that saves lives, that would be a step forward. >> and let's remember that -- >> yeah, please. >> at the end of that period, let's remember mulose vch ended up in the hague. we ought to acknowledge the truly horrific and i think unique character of what's
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happening today. >> absolutely. admiral james stavridis, david rode, thank you for this incredible conversation. >> still ahead, people rallying at the lincoln memorial right now in support of ukraine. here's a live look from the capitol. what they're specifically demanding from the biden administration next. but as we go to break, musicians who were supposed to perform at the kharkiv music festival took to a metro station to play for those sheltering. we gotta tell people that liberty mutual customizes car insurance so you only pay for what you need, and we gotta do it fast. [limu emu squawks] woo! new personal record, limu! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty. ♪ i may have moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis. only pay for what you need. or psoriatic arthritis. but we are so much more.
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happening right now in washington, d.c., a large crowd is gathered at the lincoln memorial steps in support of the ukrainian people. protesters are demanding the biden administration close the skies above ukraine and streamline the entry process for those fleeing the violence. joining me from the rally is nbc's gary grumbach. good to talk to you once again. give us a sense of had mood on the ground right now there. >> i will say the hope and resiliency here, we're 5,000 miles away from ukraine, the hope and resiliency is remarkable. i want to introducia to the 9-year-old who made a sign saying stop the madness on one side, and this war must end on the other side. he is some of the youngest fo
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s here, but there are hundreds of folks here, and they are from all over the country, all over the world, many with connections to ukraine. they say they really do need the u.s. government, president biden's support in this. they said as you mentioned, they want a diplomatic solution to this crisis. they need humanitarian assistance, but if that doesn't work out, they want a no-fly zone. that's been a point of contention for the biden administration, but the hope and resiliency has persisted here. we have heard it from a number of speakers throughout the afternoon. here's what some folks had to say. >> do you hope to go back to ukraine when this war is over? >> caller: yes, of course. >> we want to live in ukraine. without a doubt. >> you have said you have family and friends over there in kyiv. >> they're still there. some of them have moved to the west. some are still back home. hiding. it's devastating. it's scary. sirens on all day.
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just scary stuff. horrible stuff. even shells dropping by like places that i went through as a did. it's crazy. >> and filing this under every little bit helps, a lot of folks have been inside, and some of these folks were stitched together, two pieces of fabric, last night, and folks brought them out to the rally today, yasmin. >> a lot of resourceful rally goers there. gary grumbach, thank you, gary. good to talk to you. >> as russia's unprovoked invasion of ukraine enters its second month, a powerful piece in "the washington post" called ukraine a defiant nation forever changed but adapting. quote, a month of war with russia has forced every fourth ukrainian out of their home. it has shown that moscow's forces fire indiscriminately on civilians in their apartments, businesses, hospitals, and schools. it has exposed weaknesses in
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vladimir putin's military, which seems stunned and disoriented by the month-long fight. it has focused the world's attention on the unexpected ferocity and power of ordinary people uniting to defend their homes and nation. one of the authors of that piece joins me now to talk more about it. thank you so much for joining us. as always, we appreciate your voice on this and your writing. tell me more about what we have learned over the last month when it comes to this war in ukraine. >> one of the striking things about this war is this collective resilience that's been happening. i have covered wars for many, many years and i have never seen anything like this where ordinary citizens have stood up and tried to really help in so many different ways. tens of thousands of people have remained in kyiv and other
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cities to help the cause. many have joined the fight, they have joined these territorial defense forces, picking up arms for the first time. lawyers, bankers, bakers. they're now wielding ak-47s and are on the front lines trying to beat back the russian forces. and you have others like just in recent days, i met a hairdresser who opened up a salon and he is literally giving haircuts to anyone who wants it. and at the end, he -- for the elderly, it's free because he realizes their financial situation. but at the end of every haircut, he actually asks the customer, how much do you want to pay, the full price, half price, or 20%? people have a choice. all the money he makes is going to fund the ukraine armed forces. >> you also talk about the
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inspiration they glean from volodymyr zelenskyy and specifically a lawyer that you wrote about who is now a commander. you say zelenskyy's deiance has inspired and rallied ordinary ukrainians. a month ago, one man was an attorney. now his corporate law office in the western ukrainian city of lviv serves as his headquarters, as a commander in the territorial defense forces. which is made up of civilian volunteers. what do people like that, that lawyer, for instance, tell you about this change in their life, they defiance, their standing up for their country. they're fighting not, something they were not necessarily trained to do just a month or so ago. >> right. this is a quintessential david and goliath story. right now, david is winning. he's able to push the russians back, and that is because you do have this collective uprising of
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sorts where ordinary people are joining the cause and doing whatever they can to help out. with the inspiration president zelenskyy built cannot be underestimated. he's been on social media every single day. he's walking through the streets of kyiv, in defiantly talking against vladimir putin. urging ordinary ukrainians to rise up and help their motherland. so he has been the master communicator, and that has inspired a lot of ordinary ukrainians to also stand up. and what's significant is that he hasn't fled, and ukrainians really appreciate that. you know, they have seen other world leaders who have fled their countries the moment any trouble, but here is their president actually on the ground and really deiantly urging the world to do more to support their country. >> a president who was given the opportunity to flee at the
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beginning of this war and has remained there no matter what. thank you so much for joining us. >> more on the war, everybody, in ukraine ahead. but up next, justice clarence thomas' wife's push to overturn the 2020 election. the significance of her text messages to trump's chief of staff and the big question, will justice thomas recuse himself from any case related to january 6th? we'll be right back. that's not u switch your home and auto policies to farmers, you could save yourself an average of seven hundred and thirty dollars. (customer) that's something. (burke) get a whole lot of something with farmers. ♪we are farmers.bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum♪ you're pretty particular about keeping a healthy body. what goes on it... usually. ♪♪ in it... mostly. even what gets near your body. please please please take that outside. here to meet those high standards is the walgreens health and wellness brand.
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so, we're taking this to italy. refresh. because subway now has italian-style capicola on the new mozza meat and supreme meats. love the smell of italian food. subway keeps refreshing and refres- (music throughout) love the smell of italian food. welcome back. the backlash is growing after the release of some very explosive text messages between the wife of supreme court justice clarence thomas and former white house chief of staff mark meadows. ginni thomas repeatedly urged meadows to overturn the 2020 presidential election. in one of those messages, meadows tells thomas to hang on until the king of kings triumphs. and thomas references a conversation with her, quote,
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best friend, which some have read to mean her husband, but we do not know that for sure. the question now is, should these texts lead to a subpoena for ginni thomas or justice clarence thomas recusing himself from any supreme court case on january 6th? here's select committee member representative adam kinzinger on face the nation this morning. >> we want to make sure this isn't driven, even though it's in the political realm, it's not driven by a political motivation, it's driven by facts. when it comes to any potential future calling in of ms. thomas, we'll look at what the evidence is and make a decision and you'll know as soon as we do. >> so much to unpack. i want to bring in contributor and editor at large of the bulwark, charlie sykes. you had this kind of nine-point piece laying out these incredible texts we have all read at this point. shocking texts. two things stood out to me in
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your nine-point piece. one of which was thomas trafficked in qanon conspiracy theories. that was shocking when this story broke, that she's actually a q supporter, and the best part of the whole thing was number eight, spoiler alert, justice thomas will survive this because there's no realistic recourse. impeachment, forget about it. talk me through it, charlie. >> look, i know the people are outraged about it, but the prospects of actually impeaching a supreme court justice because of his wife's behavior is slim and none. but having said that, i do think this is a real challenge to the court, to the judicial ethics. to legitimacy of the supreme court, and at minimum, justice thomas ought to be pressured to recuse himself from any case going forward involving january 6th. because his wife was not just an activists. she was deeply involved in all of the legal strategies to overturn the election. and let's be clear about this.
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the reason that she had this intimate relationship via text with the chief of staff to the president of the united states was because she's ginni thomas. she is married to a supreme court justice. if ginni thomas was not married to clarence thomas, she would not have the kind of clout that she had that we're seeing in many of these text messages. and of course, this is only the tip of the iceberg of the kinds of activities she was engaging in. she was working with lawyers. she was pressuring members of congress to overturn the election. she was pressuring the vice president. and i think it's safe to say this is completely unprecedented. we have never seen the wife of a supreme court justice engage in this kind of behavior. so i think it would be naive to think that will result in impeachment, but there's no question about it, rock bottom minimum, justice clarence thomas for his own good and for the good of the court ought to
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recuse himself in a blanket way from any case involving january 6th. >> yeah, i guess the question is, you're saying ought he, but will he is the overarching question. i want to bring in helena beverly, former national deputy director of african american outreach for president obama and host of our mayors podcast. thanks for joining us. pick up where i left off with charlie. he should, he ought to recuse himself from anything related to january 6th, any rulings related to january 6th. the question is will he actually looking at the history of justice clarence thomas, his rulings prior to this where he has stood on things as well. >> right. well, i mean, charlie is absolutely right that he should recuse himself. that him sitting in on cases related to january 6th or even related to the 2020 elections at all as well as cases going forward related to ballot access and gerrymandering, this speaks
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of improprieties. this has the appearance of impropriety. it speaks to his lack of impartiality, and the court absolutely needs a code of conduct to speak to these issues because we cannot rely on the justices at this point, particularly clarence thomas, to police himself. i clerked for a federal judge and i know how important and critical it is for judges and justices to insulate themselves from the appearance of impropriety, making sure they're not taking part in event, not taking part in anything that could was the public to question their objectivity and neutrality. the fact he has already weighed in as a dissent, a lone dissenter in at least one of thee cases shows there's an impropriety here and he should recuse himself, and the court itself needs a clear code of conduct. >> and that was regarding, charlie, and correct me if i'm wrong, being that lone dissenter, with shielding text
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messages and communications just like this one, right? so when you have the lawyer of ginni thomas essentially saying there is nothing about these texts that presents a legal issue, you can't help but scratch your head, thinking of justice clarence thomas being the lone dissenter. >> well, exactly, this is the appearance of a conflict. now, my understanding is that case did not involve these particular text messages. that case involved documents held by the national archives, but clearly, they are related, and there's the potential for other litigation involving privileges. there's certainly the possibility that a case involving mark meadows himself might come before this court. but what i think is important -- >> i don't mean to -- i don't mean to step in here, but you can't help but wonder if by ruling with that dissent, justice thomas was thinking exactly of the fact that these text messages may surface
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between his wife and then chief of staff mark meadows. >> that's right. he perhaps did not know. but again, keep in mind that all of these text messages were going back and forth while president trump, former president trump was saying publicly he was counting on the supreme court to overturn the election. that the possibility of justices doing this, so that's why, you know, this involvement is so relevant and the fact that he did not recuse himself from that case is, i think, outrageous. >> do you think ginni thomas should be subpoenaed here? >> i do. it seems clear to me that she was trying to influence the outcome of the election and trying to encourage mark meadows to do everything conspiracy related to try to overcome the election. she in many ways has been the conservative elite who helped
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support those who were interested in participating in the insurrection, and therefore she should be brought before the committee and she should tell what she knows. >> charlie and alena, thank you both. great to talk to you this afternoon. >> coming up, is russia really changing its military strategy. richard lui is at the big board to break it all down. does daily stress leave you feeling out of sync? new dove men stress-relief body wash... with a plant-based adaptogen, helps alleviate stress on skin. so you can get back in sync. new dove men. a restorative shower for body and mind. (music throughout) new dove men. we hit the bike trails every weekend shinges doesn't care. i grow all my own vegetables
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welcome back, everybody. despite promises to renew its focus on the donbas reej innen the east, russians forces have only intensified their attacks on western ukraine, that includes lviv. where missiles rained down wounded at least five people. richard lui joins me to break it all down. great to see you. walk us through it. >> yasmin, as you have been talking about, a lot hanning in the last 24 hours in the theater of ukraine. first, those missile attacks you
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were talking about throughout your show. the first was before president biden's speech. that happening coming from, we believe, in the southern region right up into lviv. two cruise missiles associated with that. it also included later on another attack after the speech from president biden. the second cruise missile attack happening, we believe, coming from the crimea region, also in this area. three explosions in the area. then according to "the new york times," we also understand there were other missile attacks. we don't know what type they are, they could be medium range or other. i want to drill down on what we do believe to be the kind of missiles that the two attacks were involved in. and let me just freeze this. i'll bring this up for you so you can take look at the ukrainian military believes these are x-555 missiles are about 20 feet long, 3,000 pounds. they are big. they're launched from airborne bomber planes again in this
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area, black sea, the crimea, as they have done traditionally, and the range is over 2,000 miles. this is only 1,000 miles. now, that brings to one thing to attention. and that is when you look at why would they be launching it from here, when they could launch it from bases in russia. why aren't they launching them from say here and coming straight across? you don't have to transport them down to crimea. it might make more sense. this might be the reason why. that's because these missiles, if they're launched from bases in russia, they go over ukrainian air space. and if you're following any of the ukrainian twitter feeds or reports or the numbers i'll share with you shortly, they have been quite successful in this blue squiggly here of shooting down missiles. very good. how good? this is what some of the statistics are showing us right now. reuters, according to their sources, failure rates up to 60%. anything over 20% say the
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experts is bad. so this is triple times bad. the pentagon saying that over 1100 rockets of different types have been so far used throughout this invasion. and the x-555, these two green lines here, they sell for about $1 million each from russia. so if you do your simple math, if you want 100% hit rate, you have to fire at least two missiles. that's $2 million. that failure, as we're showing here, that can get expensive. the other option for the russian military is to go with ground artillery. now, the issue with ground artillery is you have to be within 30 miles. there's about a 30-mile radius around lviv, and there are no russian forces here. that would make it very difficult to happen. okay, something else we're getting in, and that's a major shift to the east really quickly here. when we look at what's happening in the east, i want to show you just these quick boxes of the change in the last -- well, the
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last week, and it last week, we have had a lot of change here, here, and here. and i'm just going to toggle through. this is yesterday. this is, and keep your eyes on the blue circles. this is last week. and last week, you can see, this little finger now gone, so russian forces thrk red are now back. this has changed, and this space here going back to yesterday, you can see this has been frozen here. now these blue circles, that means that we are seeing more ukrainian forces doing well. and finally, on this, announced overnight is that there are two confirmed by russians humanitarian corridors and they're coming right out of kharkiv, right out of mariupol, if you're going for the east, you want to release some of that pressure of ukrainians. pro-ukrainians from this area. this all seems to fit in to that thematic, yazzian, and later tonight we'll dig into why would the south and the east make
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sense to vladimir putin. >> all right, richard lui, that was a really great explanation. we appreciate it. good to see you. >> up next, everybody, stories of resilience. >> the thing is that i was so stressed that i didn't have time to think, to ponder about that, to cry, to shed a tear. >> millions of refugees trying to stay safe and find comfort in another country as war rages back home. dasha burns is live in poland after a very quick break.
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welcome back. the war in ukraine is putting a spotlight on the bravery of ordinary ukrainians, contributing to the defense of their country. but ordinary people in poland are also making a difference, spending their timing, helping and welcoming the more than 2 million ukrainians now refugees in their country. joe biden praising the polish people for their willingness to accept more ukrainians fleeing war than any other country. i want to turn now to dashes burns. great to see you once again. you've been reporting on this every day of people helping ukrainians in poland. what more can you he will us? >> reporter: what i'm seeing here, yasmin, is a country that has completely transformed. it is hard to find someone here who is not in some way involved in helping refugees in krakow,
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in the country of poland. people have spent their -- all of their free hours volunteering. people have taken vacation days in order to spend more time doing this work. people have left their jobs. people have pivoted their businesses in order to do this as full-time as they can. one of those people is a gentleman that owns a restaurant here called sheep and dragon. it normally would be a tourist hub. he would be full of people coming to eat, to celebrate on their vacations. instead, he has closed his restaurant and is serving refugees. he's also helping house them at a nearby airbnb. and i want you to hear just a little bit of our conversation. take a listen. we're helping mothers and children to rest of their
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journey. we're helping them in the most simple things that the war took away from them. we want them to have food, to be able to wash themselves, and to have clothing. >> how long can you keep doing this? >> until the end of war. we'll be needed after the war, as well. people are all very traumatized. >> reporter: i want to underscore what he said there, because this is what you hear from so many people who are directly involved in this effort who see the immense trauma that these people fleeing their homes are experiencing. you know, joe biden said in his speech, he talked about the long haul. he talked about how this suspect going to be days or months, it's going to take a long time to give these people a home again.
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and so that's one thing that everyone here is underscoring. they want the world's attention not to erode, because it's going to be a long haul. yasmin? >> it certainly is. nbc's dasha burns for us in krakow, poland. thank you, dasha. that wraps up the hour for me, everybody. i'm yasmin vossoughian. i'll be back next saturday and sunday. reverend al sharpton and "politicsnation" is up next after a very quick break. teafr k feeling out of sync? new dove men stress-relief body wash... with a plant-based adaptogen, helps alleviate stress on skin. so you can get back in sync. new dove men. a restorative shower for body and mind. i recommend nature made vitamins, because i trust their quality. they were the first to be verified by usp, an independent organization that sets strict quality and purity standards. nature made. the #1 pharmacist recommended vitamin and supplement brand. (music throughout)
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good evening. welcome to "politicsnation." tonight lead -- libry and repression. right now while the west fights to hold the line against vladamir putin's tyranny and ukraine's president calls for more courage from its allies, here in the united states, democracy's defenders just contend with a conservative movement that, while still divided in its stance on russia, is unified in criticizing joe biden for his response to vladamir putin's aggression. and one of the loudest critics is the gop's de facto leader, who just hours after

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