the new concerns today that russia is looking to split ukraine into, and even as ukrainian troops take back some territory like in a suburb of kyiv. although u.s. officials cannot confirm who is actually in control of that town right now. the mayor adding more towns nearby could be liberated, but that's not the case in the south and east where key cities are still under siege. in mariupol, it's believed 90% of all residential buildings are not damaged if not destroyed altogether. 150,000 innocent people still trapped in that city. mariupol's mayor is begging for help with what he calls the humanitarian catastrophe. and kharkiv is still under shelling. and volunteers have tried to cheer up the kids there, but as

nbc's richard engel tells us it's so far from the life they led just a few weeks ago. >> reporter: it's tough to see these kids getting entertainment and exercise and it's tragic they have to do it, down here for over a month now and not getting sunshine or schooling. they don't know how long they will be here. which is wonderful that they are doing this, and they are showing energy and enthusiasm, and it's much needed. >> now the ukrainian president, volodymyr zelenskyy said he is not willing to redraw ukraine's borders, even though that might be part of putin' strategy. the ukrainian intelligence officials say russia may be trying to split the country

basically in half for now. we have the kremlin focused on president biden's comments, and the white house walks back down what biden said putin cannot remain in power. you are going to watch live right here. i want to bring in ali, and mike memoli from washington. in lviv we know russian troops basically from the air targeted a fuel depot in lviv over the weekend, a city that folks thought was closer to safety given how close it is to the polish border and to nato territory there. >> over the weekend the russians missiled a fuel depot, and they

also missiled another factory, and the biggest hit here in lviv, only two miles from where i am standing right now. they say they launched long-range high precision missiles to destroy both facilities and they were launched from the sea. it's alarming that it was hit this far west, especially considering what the top russian general said over the weekend. their emphasis will be on the donbas region. the first missiles landed before president biden spoke and the second landed just after he spoke. it has made people here in lviv very nervous. this was supposed to be a safe hub. it punctured the security. we managed to speak to people yesterday to see how they felt about that attack. let's take a listen to what they have to say.

i was staying at the bomb shelter with my friends, and it was scary because you did not know where the bomb would go, and you have to stay safe as much as you can. >> reporter: you don't believe lviv is safe anymore? >> i don't, not anymore. i would believe it would be somewhere here in the center, but it's far from here. >> do you think lviv is still safe? >> no, i believe there is no safe place in ukraine anymore. >> one of the people we spoke to, this young lady, had left lviv because she thought it was unsafe and she went to poland and went back to lviv thinking this place could be a safe haven

again, and after the strikes happened she got out of here and said it was too much. people here are wondering how long this place will remain a safe haven, a refuge for all of those people that have been hit so hard for those east in the country. >> thank you. mike, let me go to you standing outside the white house. the kremlin is looking at what the president said over the weekend, the walk back from the white house that no, he was not calling for a regime change, and in 40 minutes we will hear from the president on a separate topic, the budget, and do you get the sense he may take this opportunity to more formerly address what has happened over the last 48 hours, the sentence heard around the world that the white house is trying to clean up? >> yeah, it's the budget that the president will be speaking about and they know most of the questions if not all of them will be about what happened at

the president's trip, and specifically on the end of it. this was a three-day trip and went largely how it was planned to go, and meeting with the nato heads of state, and meeting with other european leaders, and then going to poland on friday, thanking our service members who are stationed there, praising their resolve, their service to this country on the front lines of this battle. on saturday, meeting with refugees, and showing the personal quality the white house feels this president show cases better than anybody, and it was the last words that the president spoke on foreign soil that disrupted everything and the concern is what would drive the white house to so quickly articulate that the president was not calling for a regime change. i am curious to see how the president engages in this

discussion himself. he has been very blunt in assessing what he thinks of the russian president, vladimir putin, calling him a war criminal and butcher and dictator, and the power of his message, maybe it brought him to a point at the end where he made that off script comment and we will see if he makes clear he went too far in making that comment, but he doesn't necessarily regret it. i think that's the most interesting question we will hear from the president in maybe over a half an hour from now. >> we still think 2:45 eastern time, right? >> well, it's biden time, that's right, so we will still be standing by, though. >> thank you, sir. see you in about 35 minutes or so. appreciate it. i want to bring in from kyiv somebody that knows the ukrainian president, and that's igor novikov. thank you for being on the show. good afternoon. >> thank you for having me. >> let's talk about the

ukraine-russia talks. what would agreeing to neutrality actually mean for your country? >> well, i am not exactly what you would call optimistic with regards to the talks with russia, and we have had plenty of those and agreements with them and they are not renown for sticking to their word or agreement, so not optimistic at all. in terms of neutrality, and ukraine is neutral country. if we need to put it on paper and say we are putting it on neutral paper, that's fine with us but i doubt that will stop the war because this war is not about our neutrality, it's about way more than that.

>> i ask you because we have been reporting here, this russian shift in messaging, if you will, that they have been focusing more on the eastern part of your country, the eastern part of ukraine with concerns growing that putin is trying to split ukraine in half, and we are showing where that line would be, and how much of a concern is that for you? >> it's a major concern. i think that's not the only objective they are after. if you look closely at the recent bombings of the fuel depots, and putin is trying to create a global food crisis, because ukraine is a agriculture powerhouse. he's after a long war of attrition with ukraine, trying to make sure our economy collapses and the refugee crisis becomes even worse than it is now. we basically wants to erase the cities to the ground. and putin will take as much as he is given.

he only stops when he stops. that's a rule of thumb with him. >> what do you think should be the terms that ukraine would agree to that would end this war? >> well, first of all, it highly depends on the kind of hardware and support we get from the west, because this war could be over in two weeks if we were given all the weapons we need to push russia back. we have the manpower and will to do that. then, you know, if we are winning, it becomes a different story. then i think putin will accept any compromise to save safe, and that's if he's not going all in, because if he's going all in and that's his last fight, then god help us all. >> you are somebody that knows president zelenskyy well and he has had a extraordinary difficult month, month and a half when the war was in the works and then formally began on

february 24th. how is he doing now? >> the more it goes on, the more tired he gets. the more sincere he gets. if you read his recent interview with the economists, i mean, he's being very explicit in his messaging and puts it as it is, no political correctness or sugar coating, and he names the situation for what it is. he's coping well so far and hopefully continues. but every ukrainian is like that. >> how long do you believe ukraine can keep up this resistance? >> well, look, i can tell you we are going to fight until the last man standing, and it should not come to that. if i have to put a number on it,

if putin goes all in we will keep up the pace for another month and then we will need help, and they have more tools at their disposal. >> igor novikov, thank you so much for joining us at this moment of intense and incredible pressure for you and your country. thank you. >> thank you. and i want to bring in ben rhodes. i don't know if you hurdz there, but we were talking about the potential of a neutrality agreement with ukraine, and he said put it on paper and that's why ukraine has been. what is your assessment what those kinds of terms and discussions with russia would look like? >> you know, he's right, ukraine can declare it will never join nato and that it's neutral country, but in the talk back

and total capitulation of the whole country, even the walk back would -- likely the gains that russia has made, you know, i am hesitant to call them gains because it's really destruction that russia has rot in mariupol, and so even those terms would amount to ukraine having to give up a huge chunk of its country, and nothing at all that we have seen from president zelenskyy and the ukrainian people suggest they are ready to do that. there's no indication you can end this war just with the statement of neutrality on the part of ukraine. >> given what we have seen since saturday and what we talked with mike memoli at the top of the show, and white house officials in a position saying president biden was not calling for a

regime change when he said this man should not be in power. if we do in 30 minutes hear from president biden and his speech is technically on a budget, but you know how these things go, and what does he need to say to address this? >> the problem with the statement is that you had a whole speech that was carefully prepared, and well prepared, a good speech, and it was not about the united states switching to a switch of regime change, and then at the end he added this personal statement where it looked like the moment really carried him into saying for god's sakes, this man cannot remain in power. he made clear it was not the policy of the united states government to seek a regime change in russia, and this is a nuclear armed nation, and that kind of threat towards the

president of russia is something that not only, you know, goes beyond what the u.s. is prepared to pursue from a policy basis, but goes beyond what these allies that we carefully pulled together want to live up to, and he made clear in his own words as well as his staff, we are not aiming to execute regime change in russia, and he can speak to why he made that statement, and there, i think, you know, he's giving voice to his personal frustration that we all feel in watching this, but there's a difference, there really is a difference, between the united states kind of deciding as a matter of policy that we are going to try and overthrow the russian government and expressing that manner of disgust of what we have seen. >> do you have concerns, ben, that that's a statement that could have lingering consequences? >> i really don't. vladimir putin thinks that's our policy already, to tell you the

truth. i have been on phone calls in the obama years when he would say the u.s. was dedicated to the regime in changes, and he thought in ukraine in 2013 that ousted a pro russian leader in ukraine, he saw that as some kind of first move towards that, and putin's mind-set is what it is. he has had a paranoid mind-set about the u.s. policy for a long time, and i do think that it's important to send the signal that this is not some new phase in the u.s. policy where we are seeking to overthrow him, because that not just matters to putin but to the people around him who may be seeking influence in a number of ways, too, so it's important to draw that duh distinction. >> thank you. we are less than 30 minutes

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a couple big breaking headlines in the last hour or so in multiple investigations on the january 6th insurrection. nbc news now confirmed house investigators will talk about ginni thomas tonight. lawmakers are leaning towards calling her in front of the committee. the reason? those text messages that she sent to mark meadows about trying to overturn the

legitimate election and urging then president trump not to concede. and also this was not a criminal case, right, so this doesn't mean either man has been found guilty, but the judge ruled eastman has to turn over documents to the january 6th committee. they will meet tonight, hours from now, and they will decide if they are going to hold two in contempt. it's a lot. washington post national reporter and msnbc contributor, carol lenning, and university of alabama law professor, joyce advance. let me start with you on this new reporting from our capitol hill team as it relates to what the january 6th committee may do

about ginni thomas? >> the committee is planning to meet today to decide whether to hold peter navarro and scavino in contempt, and then after that the committee intends to meet to discuss what to do about the wife of supreme court justice clarence thomas, who recently is revealed to have sent then-chief white house secretary texts about the election. the committee has to decide something on the front end, mainly how far it's willing to go. it's easy to invite her to provide information voluntarily. what will they do? will they subpoena the white

house of a supreme court justice or recommend her for prosecution, and the committee has not commented on this as recently as this morning when i reached out to them, but our colleagues report that they will meet later today to discuss whether to further this investigation with ginni thomas, because they don't believe at this point they have all the information relating to her involvement in that insurrection? >> just real quick, that's a closed door discussion, the pieces that relates to ginni thomas? >> that's right. it won't be public. they are private deliberations they have to consider. >> and then as it relates to the judge's order to turnover documents to the committee, and i want to read part of the ruling. dr. eastman and president trump launched a campaign to overturn a democratic election, and an action unprecedented in american

theory. the plan spurred violent attacks on the seat of our nation's government and led to the deaths of several law enforcement officers and deepened trust in our democratic process. >> what can't be understated is the importance of judge carter's ruling. he's finding most likely, both, our former president and his hinchmen engaged in a conspiracy to basically trick the american people and to try to block, again, biden from being the rightful president of the united states as a free and fair election found. you are so smart to point out. this is not a criminal case.

this is not meaning that former president trump or mr. eastman are going to be arrested. what the judge was asked to decide on is whether or not there was a decent reason for professor eastman to have to turn over the records, and in other words he was not an attorney if he was engaged in something that was possibly a fraud and a conspiracy and crime. that's why those records are being sought by the january 6th committee. here's why it's important to us in the real world. a judge looking at the evidence that the january 6th committee has gathered finds that it's most likely there's a good reason to find possible criminal charges for both men, and as we all know, we have not yet heard from our department of justice, the one that makes decisions of who gets prosecuted in such case, and we have not heard anything to suggest that they are pursuing an investigation of

former president trump, that they are looking at a possible criminal conspiracy or have gathered evidence to suggest one, but here's a judge finding there's enough evidence to conclude very likely a crime. >> and this discussion around corrupt intent, how do you see it? >> this is one of the first times we have seen a judge give his opinion on the president's former intent, and that's often the stumbling block in a lot of cases, and the judge does a good job of laying out and you have been careful to point out, the judge is only deciding whether the preponderance of evidence supports criminality, and that means is it more likely than not as opposed to the heavy burden the doj would face in proving it

beyond a reasonable doubt. over 60 courts ruled against him. his own vice president was telling him that there was no fraud that would justify this interference in the smooth transition of power, and then the phone call that donald trump had election officials, asking them to throw the election to him, and donald trump had a corrupt mode of when he engaged in this conduct that would support the conclusion that crimes were committed. it's awfully compelling. >> i ask you, too, about this january 6th committee discussion around ginni thomas. there have been questions about whether or not justice thomas should recuse himself. you have heard some high-profile republicans saying absolutely not, and some other democrats,

senator amy klobuchar, for example, said, yes, this is outrageous. how do you see it? >> this isn't even a close call. judges recuse from cases when their participation in them would allow the public to have serious doubts about the integrity of the conclusion. there's no doubt the reason we are having the entire public uproar is because justice thomas already participated in at least one case he should have deferred from. what we see now, this case involving disclosure in the eastman e-mails were to come before the supreme court as it may well in very short, justice thomas would have to recuse from handling this case. if he doesn't we are going to be in that middle of the proverbial constitutional crisis and it would certainly be at risk if he continues to participate in cases where his wife is a fairly

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i want to get more into these numbers with nbc national correspondent, steve kornacki, and peter baker. let me start with steve on the big boards. talk about what the job approval numbers show and what that is saying to you? >> they show a decline for the president, the new numbers, and the nbc poll gives him an approval rating to 40%, and the last time we took a poll in january, he's down from 43 down

to 40. what is driving these numbers? one interesting thing, it may not be covid like to the degree it was before. you see he's now over 50%, back above water on this. that's a change in the right direction for biden since our last poll. you see mask regulations going away and life may be feeling more normal to some people here. biden's handling of covid, he's up, and then the handling of ukraine, and there's broad consensus in the poll as far as who americans perceive as the good guys or bad guys, and the president's handling, it's right there. then how do you think biden is handling the economy. look at the trend line.

the first time back in april of 2021, he had a 52 percent approval rating, and every poll since then that poll has come down and now at a new poll, 33%. it's 2 to 1 disapprove on the economy. this comes as voters are saying what is on their mind the most, it's not the ukrainian war, but one is cost of living and jobs and the economy. you add that together, and i thought this was another interesting question we asked, we said both of these things are important. let's stipulate that. what do you think the president's top priority should be? should it help inflation or improve the economy? more than a 2 to 1 margin. folks saying he should be hipping to improve the economy and one of the things this adds up to is not just bad news

politically for the president but also for the president's party, and we asked which party would you like to see control congress, and republicans have the lead at 46 to 44. what a difference that was, the last mid-term, 2018, donald trump was president and had low approval ratings, and democrats had a big year and republicans are up two points and you can see in the past, you can often see it this time of year, march 2006 is another time democrats had a big lead, they had a big november election as well. the big democratic leads that preceded the big democratic years, you are not seeing them in the generic congressional ballot, and you are seeing the republican lead there and that has to be concerning for the white house and democrats on the hill. >> can you go back to the issues

that voters most care about head into the midterms, and jobs, and then inflation was -- cost of living, and then russia. does anything on that list surprise you or is it in a different order that you would have expected? >> cost of living, again, inflation, the cost of goods, however you want to define it. when we asked about this last time the number was at 13. it's gone from 13 to 21 since the last time we polled. obviously the cost at the pump has gotten a lot of attention. it's not just the cost of fuel going up these days, and i think just in the last two months of our polling you see it's not quite doubling, but it's more than a 50% increase in the number of people citing the cost of living, and it's now the top issue. >> of everything he laid out, are you surprised at some of the dips we have seen in some of the

areas for president biden? >> yeah, the coronavirus. some is good news because the number of cases fall and the number of deaths are falling and there's a feeling maybe we are getting back to some sort of normal, and got another wave, and americans are focused on other things. and it's striking the disconnect between the feelings about inflation versus the other economic factors out there. look how much people are talking about the cost of living, and otherwise the economy is doing well. growth is up and jobs are up, and employment is down, and there's a lot of good things happening. the economy, and wages are up. the one thing sticking in peoples' minds, what is hitting them is inflation, and other factors are pretty good. >> and russian and ukrainian war is third, and people say that's one of the biggest issues for them head into the midterms, and

we are expecting to hear from the president in about six minutes from now, if he's on time. and it's possible he could address in the q & a session with reporters his comments on ukraine, and you are so well sourced, you know the players and the folks involved in this well. bring us up to speed on your reporting and your expectations for the next 48 hours for this white house? >> yeah, look, obviously in washington as you know, what michael said is still true, a gaffe is when somebody says something out loud something they are not supposed to say, and it's something president biden said, it's a feeling that republicans like lindsay graham a few weeks ago said putin should be assassinated.

so it's not a surprising thought. but what is problematic about it, one, it opens a window between the united states and its allies, and you already heard the french say it's not our policy, we are not for a regime change, and it feeds into putin's grievance narrative, his paranoid view of the world which long has been the united states and cia have been trying to topple him from power for years, and he's been talking about it from 2003 and 2004, and some worry made it harder for him to pull back if there's a motion to do that, if you want to get him to pull out of the ukraine to stop the war, telling him he won't be able to hold on to power, some people would argue is problematic in that regard. that doesn't mean there's a regime change policy, and

president biden and the administration have not done anything to force that kind of thing, and he's talking about what the russian should do, and there's no indication if the russians have any way or desire to change their leadership, but it's a fraught subject on the international space. >> good to have you. good to see you, friend. appreciate it. so in just about 15 minutes we will see president biden step up to the microphone, and the speech is going to be on the budget, and not on ukraine. and you can see rows of chairs for reporters, and we will talk a little more about the budget piece of this and what we expect the president to talk about, maybe taxing the rich. and we have the incredible story

of ukrainians that survived the holocaust only to have their lives threatened again by russia's invasion. we have a lot left in the show.

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the trauma of having to leave their country is bringing back memories for some holocaust survivors, and we have more on their incredible journey to safety. >> where i am standing here in lviv was the site of what was a 400-year-old jewish temple. they killed tens of thousands of juice in the second world war, and they survived to fact another inflation. aide workers sent to extract two holocaust survivors in kyiv.

first, natalia, 82 with her daughter veronica, and next, boris, 87, and his daughter-in-law, also named natalia. both spent their childhoods evading nazis, boris' father killed by them. and then an organization was waiting for them. >> i am from israel. >> you came during the war to rescue holocaust -- >> yes, during the war. >> and when they finally arrived, a warm welcome. inside the lobby, i met the survivor, natalia. it was a long journey, she tells me. thank god it was good. and we came back the next morning and asked about her past. did you have to hide from the nazis? >> her daughter, veronica, said she did, and that her mother carried her to a shelter. >> just hearing your daughter tell the story of your life as a

child here, it has made you cry. it's not just remembering the stories, it's about what's happening now. it's really stressing me out, natalia said. >> what do you want the world to know? live in joy, live in peace. what do we do if that's all gone? you have to abandon your whole life, she said, and on our way to lviv, she said, we were driving past these huge fields and i told my daughter, this was the battlefield during world war ii. what does russia want from us? i don't understand this? we left them to pack up and downstairs we saw boris waiting to start his journey to meet family in israel. >> there's so many people where the holocaust is something you read about in history books, but you lived through it. i was just a child, he said.

what type of memories does it bring up for you, boris? it's disgusting, he tells me, having to flee again. >> and the international community condemned several other attacks by the russians on holocaust memorials just just l this war. boris for his part is now in warsaw and natalia is still in lviv figuring out what she's going to do next. they are both so very, very grateful for the aid workers that rescued them from kyiv. >> our thanks to jacob soboroff that will stick with us for a long time. we're going to be right back. we're keeping an eye on what's happening at the white house. we are just minutes away from hearing president biden speak and we have new reporting from our team on who is going to be interviewed by the january 6 committee. it's a member of the former president's family. that's after the break. r president's family that's after the break sorry, one sec.

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questions from those members of the press. it is likely the war in ukraine will come up. we'll keep an eye on that. but we have other breaking news for you. just coming in from our capitol hill team, i want to bring in leigh ann caldwell. this is new reporting on an interview that i believe has been scheduled this week with the former president's son-in-law, jared kushner. what do we know? >> reporter: that's right, hallie. jared kushner is someone who was close with the former president. he is of course the son-in-law. and he is scheduled to appear before the committee on thursday. if he is going to show, we don't yet know. but if he does speak with the committee, then that is going to be really critical information perhaps that the committee wants to glean. of course he can come before the committee and plead the fifth and not provide any information at all so there's still a lot of unknowns here. but the fact that the committee has asked to speak with the former -- trump's son-in-law is big news. we also know that they have

asked, they have requested to speak with ivanka trump. that doesn't seem to have happened just yet. but the committee does seem to be getting closer and closer to the former president, now trying to talk to members of his family, hallie. >> leigh ann caldwell, thank you. we'll sneak in a quick break. when we come back, another jam-packed hour of news, including the latest from the white house with president biden set to speak any second. presidn set to speak any second. ♪ we believe there's an innovator in all of us. ♪ that's why we build technology that makes it possible for every business... and every person... to come to the table and do more incredible things. (woman) oh. oh! hi there. you're jonathan, right? the 995 plan! and every person...

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we are back with president biden making remarks from the white house and is also expected to take questions from reporters in the room. let's listen in. >> let me begin by saying -- thanking director young. you've heard me say this before over the years. my dad had an expression, he said don't tell me what you value, show me your budget and i'll tell you what you value. don't tell me what you value, show me your budget and i'll tell you what you value. well, the budget i'm releasing today sends a clear message to the american people what we value. first, fiscal responsibility. second, safety and security. and thirdly, the investments

needed to build a better america. the first value is fiscal responsibility. the previous administration, as you all know, ran up record budget deficits. in fact the deficit went up every year under my predecessor. my administration is turning that around. last year we cut the deficit by $350 billion. this year we're on track to cut the deficit by more than $1,300,000,000. that would be the largest one-year reduction of the deficit in u.s. history. here is how we are achieving it, this record deficit reduction. first, we're growing the economy. we've created a record 6.7 million jobs since i took office and we have generated a gdp growth of 5.7%, the best economic growth we've seen in this country in over 40 years. this has led to substantial increase in government revenue