tv The Rachel Maddow Show MSNBC March 29, 2022 1:00am-2:00am PDT
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good morning to you, 9:00 here in the u.k., final hour of the breakfast program here on sky news, and welcome to joining us wherever you're watching us around the world. the russian oligarch roman abramovich is reportedly attending peace talks in istanbul, it comes as he claimed to have been poisoned at previous talks in the month. more on that interesting choice of a country. and also this morning, fines
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could be issued in the coming hours for those allegations, could the prime minister be among them, and the chancellor? and will smith's slap, some interesting reactions on that, stay tuned for those, and what next in p achd o ferries as the bostons to face questions, we will talk to one of the 800 workers sacked by the country. it is tuesday the 29th of march. confirming the russian oligarch roman abramovich is attending peace talks in istanbul between ukraine and russia. >> ukrainian negotiators began peace talks in turkey amidst claims that three of them were poisoned at a meeting earlier this month. and in the meantime, pictures in mariupol show the devastation in the city, as ukrainian forces say they have retaken urpin and some of other
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towns. investigation, more than 25 subpoenas could be issued today. don't go too far. will smith says he was out of line and it caused a stripping of his oscar. we hear from both sides. >> if i went over and slapped boris johnson because i didn't like what he said, that woulds completely unacceptable. >> it is just so unfortunate to see such a high profile figure reacting that way. >> i'm in central london, where the queen, her family, including prince andrew, will later appear at a service of thanksgiving for the chief of edenborough at westminster abby. >> coming up on the final hour this morning, we will be speaking to one of the 800 p & o
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member staff who lost their job as the company prepares to face questions on the mass sacking. and we speak to a film maker who traveled all of the way to ukraine who helped to rescue a former circus there from war in the country. we should start with that breaking news this morning, according to the news agency, quoting three sources, saying the russian oligarch roman abramovich sanctions by the u.k. government is attending the peace talks between russia and ukraine, between held in istanbul, right now. it comes after a remarkable claim that he was poisoned at talks earlier this month in ukraine. take a look at some of the key developments you're waking up to this morning, and russia's news agency saying that roman abramovich is attending those talks in istanbul as we speak.
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the ukrainian military reclaims to have retaken the story of urpin northwest of kyiv, along with the kharkiv region. and the general staff of the armed forces, say the russian forces are weakened and disorientated cut off from logistics. and more war crimes in the port city of mariupol. ahead of peace talk, the ukrainian foreign minister has this warning in least the reported poisoning of roman abramovich. >> translator: i advise everyone going to the negotiations with the russian federation not to eat or drink anything. and preferably, avoid touching any surface. that's the firsthand. secondly, will be story, someone heard something somewhere, some sources, and now, there's lots of this kind, because everyone is thirsty for news, for
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sensation. >> the former nato representative, asked him about the comments calling for vladimir putin's removal. >> the russians have a long track record of more than fascination with poisoning and chemical weapons, so it is entirely possible that somebody make an effort to disrupt this informal mediation which i think what abramovich knows we're trying to do so i'm sure the ukrainian negotiators in turkey and the turkey hosts have been extremely careful. >> how helpful was president biden's comments over the weekend when it seemed that he was jesting that a regime change in russia was the only option. >> i think that remark about an effective regime change in moscow was a mistake because i think we need to keep the focus on ending the war and leave the future of president putin to the russians. >> meantime, both sides together, again, today, in istanbul, standing by in
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ukraine, hi, sally. there have been peace talks before. they have failed. where are we with these? >> reporter: well, certainly a lot of hope that they may make some progress but not a lot of huge optimism from the ukrainian side. development, pictures emerging of billionaire roman abramovich in istanbul, and president erdogan of turkey arrives, to address the delegation ahead of the talks beginning which started around an hour ago. and after that news that broke yesterday, that roman abramovich had attended other talks in kyiv, on the 3rd and 4th of march, after which he felt unwell, along with two other senior ukrainian officials, after suspected poisoning, now, i should say that roman abramovih and those
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representatives from the ukrainian side then traveled here by car before making their way to poland and then flying to turkey earlier this month, where we understand roman abramsovich received medical attention after temporarily losing his eyesight following those reports of suspected poisoning, and of course, he's been back to full health today attending this latest round of talks in istanbul. but that said, we didn't believe he is part of the formal delegation, representing russia. certainly the kremlin has previously said that abramovich played an early role in peace talks but the process was now in the hands of the negotiating team. but still very interesting that he is in attendance and obviously back to full health following those concerning reports. but also, very concerning as well, and a suggestion of how little trust there is between both sides, to ukraine's foreign minister, has warned negotiators attending these walks in turkey
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the next two days to not eat or drink anything, certainly a long way to go before we see much material progress. >> thank you. away from ukraine, and back to downing street nrkt coming hours, we could get the first fine force party gate. coot pm himself be receiving a fine? sky news understands that up to 20 fines could be held for events held in downing street during the coronavirus lockdowns. more than 100 question hours have been issued. and the police have launched an investigation at the end of january, into 12 alleged events that happened on eight days during england's lockdown in 2020, and 2021 saying covid regulations were broken. at least two, perhaps up to six gatherings under investigation. the prime minister referred questionnaires that are needed to be completed under caution. we will be watching developments on that story very closely for
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you. earlier, i spoke to the deputy leader of the labour party, and i asked her if she was still calling on boris johnson to resign over the downing street parties. >> if the prime minister's fined because he had broken some rules, i don't think his position is untenable, i don't think he can go to the british public and say i'm working in your best interest when he has gone to party leaders and lied about that. >> and our leader said we will obviously look at what happens with the inquiry, and that is only right, and you know, the situation with ukraine, the whole of the parliament, the whole of the house, and the mps are all united in support, to make sure that we do everything we can, with the national security, to protect our country, and work with our nato allies. that doesn't negate the prime minister from the lies to the british public and not following some rules if he is found to have broken them and i don't believe his position is tenable.
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i think it is disgraceable. and i don't see how he can continue in his role when he has not told the truth to the british public. >> does the chancellor get fined and does he have to go as well? >> for anyone in government who decides to break the law -- >> there are other mps out there are who are willing to dot job and do it in the public interest. we can't have people in their own interest lying to the british public and thinking they can get away with it. people followed the rules. people have consequences when they didn't. and the prime minister and the chancellor is no different. people are feeling really scared about how they're going to be able to pay their bills. we've got to address that. and i think both the, you know, the low growth and the high taxes that the chancellor has inflicted on our country is not right for our economy. and certainly not helping families at the moment when they immediate it the most. >> and looking at figures, and the government was, looking at people in the u.k. in absolute poverty and housing costs was 20% and 18% now so this government is doing much better?
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>> i don't believe this government is doing better. >> that's what the figures show. >> if you literally look at low people are struggling at the moment, if you ask anybody, they will tell you they are not doing better at the moment. >> that's what the figures say. >> this government has chosen to put national insurance high on them, a tax on them, and at the same time energy prices are going up. these energy companies have made huge profits that they never expected to make and the government has chosen not to help families when they needed it the most. it's a choice that the chancellor has made, which is putting families into crisis at the moment. >> more people are living in absolute poverty when labor was in party than now. >> labor did a huge amount to lift child party in this country, support people and we're seeing now that we're going back on that, the social mobility commission disbanded itself because it felt the government wasn't doing enough, and their own expert who was looking at low to help children with covid, at how to help children after covid, and we've got the situation now where families are facing this crisis
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in energy, with living standards at the same time as a tax hike, that's not helping people at the moment. the chancellor has made the decision to protect the energy company's profits at a time when families can't afford to heat their homes. >> but there are more people in absolutely poverty? >> i would, you know, i would think with the government, i can tell you working with the taxes, and helping those like me back into work, and we have education that we can go back into, i went back into college, and now people are finding those pathways and they are open to them, so people are seeing their living standards completely have been regressively going backwards under this government. >> fewer people are in absolute poverty now than the last -- >> if you go around the streets -- >> those are the facts. >> some of my streets, if you look at what is happening -- >> anecdotal stories. i'm just pointing out to you that fewer people -- >> the fact is we've got a huge amount of food banks and families that can't do their
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bills, because they're struggling and these are families that are in work, and the chancellor has chosen not to help those families. they're in government, they have been in government for 12 years and we've seen living standards decrease, not increase. >> what about -- >> helping children out of poverty, we've supported families. >> and do you acknowledge it was worse under the previous government? >> i think, i absolutely don't think it was worse than what families are facing today, no, i think that families are facing a real crisis at the moment, and the chancellor has chosen to increase taxes on families, and not help them with their energy bills. that's a choice they've made. they could have done that, there is more that could have supported those families with the energy bills and the chancellor has chosen not to. and i give you a loan to pay back over four years. that's no way to go. >> i was talking yesterday, i don't know where we stand this
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one, he was struggling when he was asked a question, can a woman have a penis and today in a telegraph, asking many if they're pregnant before they scans. >> i think about a young woman struggling and when we have a social media debate about when where what genitalia one's got, we can't debate the serious issues that people face in their lives, i think bee should be taking it away from social media, and take it away from commentators and there is protections for women, and women situation, and we should be looking at our young people, who may be facing identity crises, and making sure they get the help and support they need. when we debate it, whether or not what genitalia you've got, i think all that does is damage people and it doesn't help us go far with some of the real issues that people are facing. >> but there is a man who is already anxious goes into a lop
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to have a scan, he is anxious about the whole procedure and then asked if he is pregnant, he's going to feel uncomfortable about it, isn't he? >> well, it depends on, you know, if a man is, we've seen this before -- >> so rarely does everybody -- it shouldn't be debated, it shouldn't be a debate, that has been had on media who are not qualified to discuss some of these issues. it is very sensitive issues. i think we should be protecting women's spaces. of course we should. and we should be supporting people who are going through a transition and that's always been the case. there are laws in our country that protect people. and i think just to make it about what genitalia someone may have -- >> my question is is, it okay to ask -- >> nobody would ask me, whether or not we were a man, what genitalia, we have, or anything like that. >> is it okay to ask -- >> well, if a man was born with the reproductive, because they were born as a female, and they transitioned to a male, you know, if they're getting support
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because they could be pregnant, then that might be a question that is asked and -- >> it would be in those circumstances, but it wouldn't be a reasonable question for me to say have you got a penis or not because that's not acceptable, and when we debate it, into what genitalia, may or may not have, i think that's a real unhelpful way of looking at the debate, to be hospital and i think it's doing real damage to people and it's scaring women who think it's about men committed to women only spaces, which it's not, that's not the case, and it's also not supporting people who are going through a transition who need support, you can't get the support, you're not trying to be in women's spaces that is not appropriate to them, it is about supporting people in their lives and giving them the professional support that they needed. >> very eloquent response i have to say. and let me ask you about will smith before i let you go. what was that all about yesterday? >> i mean will smith shouldn't have done what he did, you know, violence is never the answer, and he did apologize for, it and
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that's the right thing to do, and it doesn't set a good example, if our young people are seeing that on the tv, we tell people that you speak about your issues and you debate about it, and if someone has hit you, you pull them away and talk to them but that on national tv, it is not the answer. >> and what about the answer? >> we all get passion, if i went over to the dispatch box and did that with boris johnson because i didn't like what he said because he offended me and it is unacceptable and i think it is unacceptable that will did that and it is right to apologize and violence isn't the answer. you lose the debate if you resort yourself to violence. >> talking about the prime minister, being forced to resign if he receives one of these fines to party gate. and the same for the chancellor is what she said. it is just the point, whether we actually know whether he does receive a fine or not, we just
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got breaking news from the metropolitan page, and this is what they're telling us, the first 26 penalty notices are going to be issued, but this is an interesting paragraph, as it has been, for all fixed penalty notices issued during the pandemic, the mps will follow the college of policing professional practice and regulations, which states that identities of people dealt with by caution, speeding fines, and other fixed penalties, at their court disposals should not be released or confirmed and in other words they will not tell white house is going to get those fines. we will talk to you tomorrow about that in just a moment. but before we, do just want to take you back down to westminster abby, where the rather fabulous art edwards is waiting to speak to us. i had, arthur, of course it is a big day for the royal family today. you've covered so many big days for the royal family, in the past. and i'm afraid it will be quite an emotional day for you as
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well. you had a good relationship, didn't you with the prince? >> i did. and sometimes bitter, sometimes sweet. and remembering today, where i'm standing out there, thinking of the better time, you know. he was always easy to work with. he was his own man all the way through, and i remember trying to get him to drink a pint of guinness in dublin and he wouldn't do it and i asked why don't you drink guinness and he said he never liked guinness. and remember those last few year, and the last few jobs he did, when he was absolutely magnificent, and i would think, very, very seriously today, about over the last years to the nation, and the loss to the queen and the good news the queen will be here which is really quite special because she
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is -- >> before he died, he made a provision for you, at the funeral, so that you could actually be in one of the hol load out columns -- hollowed out columns at the entrance to the church. is that right? >> yes, i got the fore pass for that. i'm hot sure this is eye zeal but it was a -- i'm not sure this is an ideal position and i was there for three ourselves. and with the flash, the picture, page one, the best picture taken, as the coffin is on the step, it was very, very moving, i'll never forget it as long as i live. and you know, that was saying goodbye to a great man, and never let the queen down, never let the nation down and here today, the queen and all of the people who work for him, his cleaners, his carpenter, his electrician, who fixed the office, his computer expert, they'll all be here today, just thinking, speaking about him, this great man who they worked
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for, and it's going to be, a day to celebrate his life, i suppose, yes. >> and a bit of controversy over his second eldest son being there. do you think that's reasonable or do you think, you know, his father has died, a thanksgiving service, for his father's wife, and andrew should be there. >> andrew is going to be there. of course he is. and he is on the list to arrive. but the person who should be is prince harry. prince harry does nothing but feed his chickens in california and he should come here and pay respects to his grandfather. she be here. whether he brings his wife or not doesn't matter, she be here. it is a naked excuse about security. security is incredible. i can't tell you. he should be here. >> i wonder why he's not. i wonder what prince philip would think about his grandson not coming. >> well, i think he could be disappointed because he was
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harry's mentor, harry was, when harry walked here in front of his mother's funeral i remember is to well, working with her, and it was him being there, and harry did it amiably and it was there and people here standing here that day that were sobbing their hearts out and it was a very sad day and she be sitting next to his father and the queen, and celebrating the life of this great man. i feel so, a bit angry about it really. >> okay. we'll let you go. but it's always great to see you, and you're looking incredibly well as always. thank you so much for taking the time. i know you have a busy day ahead. >> thank you, kay, you look great, too. thank you. >> thank you. bye-bye, thank you. so we are being told, just hearing that from arthur as well, he knows everything, but the queen will be at that service of thanksgiving for her late husband, it's been a year since prince philip sadly passed
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away. and harry is not going to be there, andrew is, and the reaction, standing by for us, her majesty will be there? >> yes, in the last ten minutes or so, it has been confirmed that she does intend to attend the service this morning. we always knew that she was planning to, but of course, because we know that certainly in recent months this very at the last minute been decisions to pull out of certain events and the most recent one is the commonwealth they serve at westminster abby and it has slightly been in doubt as to whether or not her majesty was going to be up to attending, and i think of course, the queen herself has talked about an engagement she was having trouble standing, and of course, she had covid, and people were concerned about that, and i think it will be interesting to see the choreography around exactly how she gets into westminster abby, to be honest, i can't see them going through the front door and walking to her seat as she has done so many
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times over the years, i think that just simply is not practical anymore but looking forward and wonderful to hear that she will be able to attend and of course her family will be around her, as you alluded to, all eyes likely to be on prince andrew, it is the first time we may see him in public since he settled that sex abuse case, and all of the military titles are stripped from him and no longer able to use the hrh tight until public and this is a family occasion and that is why he is invited to, as arthur alluded to there, prince harry has decided not to come but the family, the focus should be on the duke of edinborough and that's what the service is all about, the extraordinary commitment to his family, to his country and celebrating how much he did, to the 700 organizations that he was linked to or a patron of and of course, especially the duke
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award. i think it will be pretty moving. i think of course with covid, it meant that the funeral plans had to be stripped right back so we will see some of the touches that prince philip wanted for his funeral, some of the music for example, we can see the duke of edinborough award cadets, lining the way into westminster abby, for the funeral, a poignant day for the family where they will have time to have more people around them, over a thousand people in westminster abby to say thanks to the duke for everything he gave to his family and his country. >> before i let you go though, and we heard, art, quite passionate about the fact that harry is not going to be there and i'm guessing her majesty is going to be very disappointed. >> it is always very interesting, we talked quite a bit about the relationship between prince harry, meghan and the queen and throughout all of the time there has been so much
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in the press about the falling out between the rest of the subjects, and the costs, and they have paid tribute to the queen and talked about their respect, of her majesty, we don't know the conversations behind the scenes and no doubt there will be disappointment within the family that he's not here, and of course, his reason is all to do with security, and the fact that he doesn't believe that when he's here in the u.k. and his family are protected enough but you also have to think that probably in a few weeks time, he is likely to be heading to the netherlands where the victus game will happen and there is quite a bit of criticism and you think of prince andrew in the spotlight recently, he is attending and wouldn't it be nice if prince harry was also here, just as he was for prince philip's funeral last april. >> thanks very much indeed, we will cover that later on here on sky news, this morning. in the meantime just hearing that the first of the fines for party-gate will start to be
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issued, but will we find out who is receiving them? standing by for tomorrow's take with us now, at downing street, hi, tamara. will we know who is getting these fines? >> good morning, kay. well the metropolitan police just said in the last few minutes, confirmed that 26 penalty notices are going out over breach of the covid rules today, and we don't know if that's 20 people, just that it is 26 penalty notices and they will not say who the identity of those people are or which of the 12 events they have been investigated those breaches relate, to because that then could then identify those individuals, so no, we won't be told by the police, but if one of those individuals turns out to be the prime minister, then downing street has said that they would tell us if that was the case. so if we don't hear anything, over the next couple of days, because we don't know exactly how this process is going to work. a fixed penalty will be referred to acro, the criminal records
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office, and then they would send, normally send someone a letter which would then hit their doorstep, so when exactly the people involved, we'll find out, we're not clear but say by the end of tomorrow if we have not heard anything, it would look like the prime minister is not going to be one of them. what we know is that mps, from sources in whitehall, it is expected to be the first batch of fixed penalties. we know that about 100 people have received a questionnaire, to fill in, over what they knew about those parties, and which one of those they may have attended and those people including the prime minister and actually the chancellor as well, and the prime minister was one of the first to receive his questionnaire, in early february, so if they're doing it that way, for the people who receive their questionnaires first get the fines first, then i suppose number 10 are braced for that to happen. but others in whitehall say that they suspect that it will be the open and shut cases, people who have publicly admitted going to
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breaching the rules, they may get those first. there is a lot we don't know. what we do know officially is that 26 penalties are going out. so party gate is right back in the news now. it had receded from view over the last few weeks because the police were investigating and we have the ukraine crisis and you can see cabinet ministers going in downing street for a meeting, being asked if the prime minister should resign, it was only a couple of months ago that there was intense speculation of him resigning and conservative mps calling for that. those demands have quieted down now. but when we put it to the education minister, will convince, with was on this morning, about what he thought would happen, he acknowledged that this was serious, this is what he said. >> i'm asked that question and i understand the huge public interest, i completely understand the considerable obstacles, and the events that took place that shouldn't have happened but i have to understand as an education minister but more importantly as, there is an ongoing line of
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these investigations and this is not a time to comment. >> we are expecting fines today, if one of them is for the prime minister, should he resign? >> that's a hypothetical question, kay, and you wouldn't expect me to answer that. >> so he wouldn't say. look, it's up to tory mps whether they think that something very serious, certainly the initial report in january, we expect a full one at the end of the investigation, talked about serious failures of leadership and judgment in number 10, but certainly what happens today is significant, because of course, if someone, a junior official for example, is sacked or resigned or on the back of receiving one of these fixed penalties, that could be raising a lot of difficult questions over the next day or so even if the prime minister is not directly involved at this stage. >> thank you, tamara. thank you. now, let's go out to today's other headlines for you now. of course returning to party gate shortly but i want to tell
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you about the host of soccer saturday on sky sports. for at least another season. 67-year-old announced last october that he would be leaving the role at the end of this season. but he's changed his mind. saying he was not ready to blow the final whistle and leave the best job in the world. meantime, drug resistant infections, a new antibiotic developed by u.k. pharmacists and the bug spread through hospitals could be eradicated after the team successfully got rid of it in a study on mice. will smith, well, he's apologized to chris rock for slapping him at the oscars saturday. the actor told the instagram followers that his behavior was out of line and while there won't be a criminal investigation, the academy has a formal rebuke. >> it isn't quite time to declare the oscars dead but this sums up the somber mood in the
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middle of hollywood. >> jada, i love you, gi jane 2, can't wait to see it. >> whoa. oh, wow. wow. >> one ugly moment on the biggest night has left the movie industry reeling. will smith posting this apology, violence in all its forms is poisonous and destructive, he wrote, and his behavior unacceptable, and inexcusable. for reacting emotionally to jokes about his wife, he said he apologized to chris rock, his actions not indicative of the man he wants to be. the question is whether that's enough for an oscars academy, which has condemned his actions and launched a formal review. some even suggesting taking away that oscar, he danced with, at the after party. in the industry, they think he's done huge damage to his career. >> i don't think that there's
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any chance that they would rescind his oscar, which is for a performance, i've seen that written in social media, that's not what is going to happen but they could do a lot of things, kwluing expel -- including expelling him from the academy. this is going to mark his career forever. >> as they pack up for another year, this feels like just the latest, crisis for the oscars. for a few years now, academy has faced questions about the relevance of the oscars today and pretty big controversies as well but nothing on this scale. now, they face questions about how you handle one of hollywood's biggest stars, when he upsets the mark on the biggest stage. >> will smith's hands on hollywood, change the world he wrote on that day, how much will his hands now change the course of his career? >> reaction from politicians on this side of the atlantic.
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our conservative minister, here is what will quince said when i spoke to him earlier. >> it is disappointing because i'm a huge fan of will smith and i think violence is never the answer and i say this as an education minister because it is part of our curriculum, we know people can lose their tempers and say hurtful things but violence is never ever the answer and it is unfortunate to see a high profile figure reacting that way. having said that, i do welcome the fact that he apologized almost immediately yesterday, and he apologized again to chris rock. that was the right thing to do. but i hope he reflects on his behavior, because he is a big role model. and violence is never, ever the answer. >> to hear from the deputy leader of the labour party, and she was saying to us, she doesn't always like what she hears from boris johnson, at the dispatch box, but it doesn't mean she would go across the chamber and lump him. in her words. let's bring you other news. breaking news, in the last half hour, p & o ferries says it
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cannot infer a change on the 31st of march dead lin. after more than 700 workers were sacked without notice. and ashley is standing by this morning for us in dover and the ships are being seized. left right and center. aren't they? >> yes, they are, two already, kay, and we spoke to the general secretary, one of the biggest unions in the u.k. in the past hour, and he was saying that it is only a matter of time before they start to fall like dominos and as you mentioned there, we have heard the reuters news agency speaking in the last few months that there won't be a change to the.31st of march deadline, the seafarers offered the redundancy package, this is after the government is piling on more pressure on the company saying those 800 workers affected should get their jobs back if they want them and calls for the ceo to resign. that is not something that the government often does, calling for a chief executive to step down from their position. and yes, as you mentioned,
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behind me, this is the vote that has failed, the latest inspection, this is the private, the one nearest us to, the sister ship, the pride of canter bri. and there were preliminary checks yesterday and trying to decide whether the vessels were safe to operate because of the widespread changes in the crew, and that particular vessel, the pride of kent, failed to pass that inspection, and it had been detained by the local authority. it is the second ferry this has happened to. the european causeway up in ireland, that is only three days ago, failed on the basis of crew familiarization and crew training. this is a company though that their reputation is in tatters. the government says they have been left with little choice with the company to give seafarers their jobs back. but this is going to be one of the sagas that is going to keep on going for the next few days and maybe even weeks. >> thanks very much indeed,
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thank you. just underlying the ferries saying they can't rehire the 800 workers that they fired, without notice, because if they did, they would face an onshore collapse. and joining us, one of the 800 ferry workers who lost their jobs and john, you were pretty high ranking at the time. they said, they just can't offer you your job back. what would you say in response? >> i would say that they need to, they need to think about the reality of the situation, kay, it's getting worse and worse for them, and the reputation of p & o ferries is in tatters, and the reputation of the board of p & o ferries is also it tatters as well. they need to do some serious reflection and consider the reality that is in front of them. if they were to reinstate us, they could have those ships back up and running this afternoon. >> they say they can't. it doesn't look as though they're going to do anything, at least for now. just take us back to what
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happened, and the process when you found out that you had lost your job. you must have been staggered. >> staggered is an understatement. i was just shell-shocked. you know, we had security guards come on the ship, with a third party agent to tell us that we had been fired. we thought they might pull a stunt like fire and rehire but fire and replace and they did it. and this is not our jobs, as well they're our ships for half of the year, the people we sat with, they're our second families, we spent literally half of the year on those ships. our lives are turned upside down. literally. >> you i believe have been offered an inhouse package because you were pretty high up the rankings when it came to p & o, have you decided what to
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do. >> i have decided what i will do. i wasn't high up, i was a soux chef. and i wone be won't be accepting the agreement, and i won't kbept the agreement, the gag order and i plan to take it further, not just the employer but in the regionals who were involved in this task misadventure but there is a limit to what i can say about that at this moment in time. >> an awful lot of pier workers have decided not to accept the offer that has been made by the company. what you would say to p & o? i started off, they said there is nothing we can do. if we take you back on, if we, do the business will go under so they feel they're stuck between a rock and a hard place. what do you think? >> it's not what i would say to p & o, as i believe the board is tone defer. i would say to the u.k.
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government, are these people the board, should they be running a critical national infrastructure? if you take bp world, and sack mr. hevle, and sack the board, and sack all of those who were involved in the planning and the aiding and the abetting of this grotesque misadventure. >> and what are you doing? how are you come are coping? >> it feels like someone's died, to be frankly speaking. it's hard. i mean we've still got each other. and that's how we use, to get through the week on the ship, we ate together, we laughed together, we worked together, and you know, it's difficult, we're all still trying to support each other, and in whatever way we can. it's extremely difficult. >> well, keep us informed, won't you, that if you think there is anything we can do to help you, we are here, just pick up the phone and we'll do what we can, john, thank you. >> of course, thank you for having me, kay. thank you.
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bye-bye. >> be well. thank you. you know, literally, the rug was pulled from underneath them. and p & o saying they have no choice because if they didn't, the business would have gone under. too many ships have so far been impounded. let's see, two of the ships have so far been im pounded. we'll see what happens. ashley was bringing us the latest on that. and we want to bring you the latest on what is happening with party gate. we're told that 20 separate fines are being issued, and fixed penalty notices are being issued. and the met police, who is their jurisdiction, they have issued this statement. it says, the mps will follow the college of policing approved professional practice for media relations which states that identities of people dealt with by cautions, speeding fines and other fixed penalties, out of court disposals, should not be released or confirmed. we will not confirm the number of referrals from each individual events subject to our investigation, as providing a breakdown at this point may lead to identification of the
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individuals. we are trying to get more on that, to see what happens is, there freedom of information that you can try to apply to find out what is happening with this fixed penalties? what happens if they don't pay those fixed penalties? the people who received a fixed penalty, is the prime minister one of them? is another one the chancellor? we are told if it is the prime minister, we will hear about it. and what have the police said? all of these questions and more we're trying to find out and we will update you as soon as we can. what we do know is that the situation in mariupol is absolutely devastating. the destruction caused by the russian invasion of ukraine. the u.k.'s ministry of defense reports russian forces have maintained their offensive on mariupol with continuous heavy shelling of the city. the center still remains under ukrainian control. residents were seen yesterday collecting their belongings from
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heavily damaged apartment buildings and gathering food supplies along the debris. and the mayor of mariupol says 160,000 civilians are still trapped in the city without heat and power, after weeks of russian bombardment and called for all civilians to be evacuated from the encircled ukrainian city to allow them to escape a humanitarian catastrophe. a number of british vets are appealing for donations and medical supplies to assist efforts in ukraine to protect animals left behind by the russian bombardment. yesterday, we spoke to david, a vet and president-elect of the british equine veterinary association, and it has been a challenge to hear what he was saying in the field yesterday but he very kindly agreed to come back and talk to us again today. hi, thanks for bearing with us, david, on this, but we did want to know what your charity is doing, and how people can help. >> hi, good morning, yes, thank you for having me back on this morning. i'm still doing charity work,
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specifically to support veterinary surgeons in ukraine. we are working with a number of different groups over. >> there the british equine veterinary association has been running training programs in kyiv since 2015, so we have a number of contacts on the ground who are clearly struggling at the moment and we are trying to get support to them, but we're also trying to join up the dots and provide support to other vets across the country, where we can. across all different sectors. the profession is struggling for obvious reasons, they have the same humanitarian struggles that everyone else does and trying to improve the lot of the animals caught up in the current crisis. >> it doesn't have to be either or, does it, when it comes to pets and our animals, and our people, and the animals need support as well, and we talked yesterday about fireworks going off here, at various events in the u.k. can cause an awful lot of stress to animals and one can only start to imagine the challenges that some of the animals are facing in ukraine. >> yes, indeed, it must be truly
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gastly. as we mentioned yesterday, a lot of the zoos and rescue centers, have facilities to try to keep these animals calm through the worst of the fighting which we're trying to get that support out to them. and beyond that, there are massive logistic challenges. and there are obviously large groups working to try to get the logistical supplies through. but we all know those supply chains are fragile. and there's plenty of evidence from our group and other groups that the individuals working, working privately, joining up with people they know, can get valuable supplies through. so obviously, there's a massive human crisis out there, and animal species do take a slightly second fiddle so we are trying to up what we can do in terms of supporting animal warfare out there and i should say there are lots of different organizations out there and people can support any of them to help. from providing direct veterinary support, we need to have medicines and take them to
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veterinary colleagues over there but we will also be working with other animal groups out there to get them supplies. so there are loads of different ways to support any of those different charities. >> okay. good to talk to you. and again, thanks for persevering with us yesterday, and we can hear you much clearer today. thank you. >> thank you. well one of the animals that has been rescued successfully is a bear who was in ukraine, he was a circus bear, i think actually it's a girl, a female, and she has been transferred to a sanctuary in romania, following efforts to row locate her from the country which is -- relocate her from the country which is facing russian shelling. joining us is a film maker who travelled to ukraine to help rescue the bear. hi, thanks for joining us, andre. tell us about mash marcia, the bear. >> marcia is a very large bear if you know much about bears and the story came to knee me from a good friend of mine, a news article, saying that marcia was close to lviv and desperate for
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travel. and following the bombing and there was a bomb close to the military base in lviv, so we got a call and said look, can we get out there quickly, so i jumped in, with a company called the warriors of wildlife, and we made our journey, and across a family farm, and we put her in the back of a transit vehicle, as you can see, she's in a cage now, put her in the back of transit and travelled three days with her, and out across the border, and she's now in a sanctuary. she is really happy. >> it is amazing. we've called you a film maker. tell us, i'm guessing you made a film about it and when will you be able to see it? >> i was in january, in the middle east, and this is not for film, this is just for me, and watching the war, and it touched my heart, and i wanted to be able to do something good, so i had the opportunity to film the
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relief, and the medical equipment, and we filled the van and the military equipment and we met the military aid and gave it away to them and i managed to give my flack jacket away, and in the middle east i didn't feel i needed it as much as they did. and this is purely humanitarian thing thatdy. >> amazing. amazing work, and i'm so glad she is out and safe in romania. thanks for taking the time to share the story with us. appreciate it. thank you. >> can i just say one other thing that is obviously propaganda from russia, russia today, sent out a statement, yesterday, that the bear was being pretty much tortured in ukraine. and he was being rescued from the ukrainian people, i would say we rescued the bear to save it from the bombing, not from the ukrainian people. >> understood. absolutely. we completely get. that thanks very much indeed for joining us.
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thank you. >> thanks. just hearing from the international red cross as well. they say they have made detailed proposals on a safe passage and evacuation sore sfifl -- for civilian from mariupol but to no avail. they were attempting to reopen the corridors and more than 100,000 people still tracked in mariupol and as you can see in the pictures, absolutely devastated that country, by russian troops and it there is some hope that people could start to come out in convoys and private vehicles and we're hearing from international red cross, and they're telling us despite detailed evacuations from mariupol, it is to no avail. what is happening with party gate? we're told 20 fines are coming today. joshua rosenberg is with us,
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media commen cater. these are fixed penalty notices. tell me what more we need to know. >> we don't know if 20 people are fined. some individuals could be getting more than one fixed penalty notice. what the metropolitan police have said is they will begin to refer 20 fixed penalty issues to the covid regulations and the criminal records office will be responsible for the letters to the individuals and that suggests that it may take some time. we don't know the number of referrals from each event, and we may know that in the future. >> okay, well, also, we don't know who it is, do we? and the police telling us they are not going to telling us, is that protected by the freedom of information request as well? >> well, you can understand why the police are reluctant to name individuals, because they haven't named individuals who
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are not in the public eye, who may have received these notices in the past. we're told that the prime minister will tell us if he gets a fixed penalty notice, but we understand that the government will not necessarily name anybody else concerned. i suppose you could say it would be unfair, on the individual civil servants who have been invited to this event to be singled out where as i say, other people have referred the fixed penalty notices, we he don't know how many there, have not been named but of course that information may emerge and the government may come under pressure to make it clear who is named, and of course, once this whole process is completed, then sue gray will be able to publish her report and maybe that will have more information. >> you make a very good point, josh was, as always. thank you very much as always, thank you. >> hello, tamara, at 10 downing street. tell me, if you would, whether we will know the prime minister, because the prime minister previously has said that he will
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tell us. >> yes, downing street has said the prime minister will tell us and indeed make a statement to parliament. we don't know if he is going to be among the 20 fixed penalties that are being handed out today. we don't know exactly, and number 10 don't know either, how it is being done, is it the people who got the questionnaires first, if he was among the first, at the beginning of february, will they get their fixed penalties first or are they doing it a different way where by the more open and shut cases, what some are call the low-hanging fruit, officials who have admitted they went to a party publicly and apologized for it, they are done first and perhaps the people who are more complicated, we know that according to the prime minister's allies, he is going to be using this as his defense the number that number 10, it is his home as well as his workplace, and those more complicated cases are being done later and we simply don't know at this stage but we have been told that he will reveal if he has got one.
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and joshua rosenberg was saying, there will be pressure for other senior people like the chancellor, like the most senior civil servant, the cabinet secretary, to say whether they have got one, they will be asked i'm sure publicly about it. but the civil servants who we don't, most people we've never heard of will not be made by the police and may not ever be named. why is this significant? even if the prime minister, i think we've got to stop there. >> i'm sure that you've got a very, very, very busy morning now, updating all of our sky news here, so thanks very much tamara. we will have tamara's take again tomorrow on the program. before we go there, let's have a quick look at some of the tweets that we've been bringing to you this morning. this was the government minister who was with us this morning. mr. quince, he did not want to talk at all about what was happening with party gate. many thousands of you already looking at that tweet today. and no longer a hypothetical question was my point.
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should the prime minister resign. if he receives a fine. not saying is what he said basically. and another tweet that we have for you as well, this morning, have a quick look at this one, the pm should go, and take the chancellor with him, if they're fined for party gate. that was from the deputy leader of the labour party. angela. and many of you also fascinated by that as well. very keen to know what you think here. if you have a position where you can actually add your comments underneath that story. and we have other interviews that we're carrying out for you, that is kept up by sophie and benedict and it is on our twitter feed right now @kay burley, if you would like to have a look at any of those. something else we are talking about today are the peace talks taking place in istanbul in turkey as we speak, between the russians and also the ukrainians, and you will recognize him, roman abramovich
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he is apparently also trying to help with talking peace in ukraine. interesting that he also did a similar thing in ukraine, earlier on in the month, but he claims that as a part of those ukrainian peace discussions he was poisoned along with the two ukrainian representatives, and what he says, is that when he left the event, his skin on his face started to peel away, and he could not see, he was left temporarily blinded, as a result of the events, he said all he had was chocolate and water during those discussions, as a result, and the foreign minister, i should say, of ukraine has told the delegation not to eat or drink anything unless they know the providence of it, more on that, and also, more on what is happening with a special service for the duke of edenborough down the road at westminster abby.
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