since the war broke out. another hour of "velshi" from ukraine begins right now. ♪♪ ♪♪ good morning. it is saturday, april 2nd. i'm ali velshi. this weekend i'm in lviv, the largest city in western ukraine that's operated as a hub for millions of people in other parts of the country seeking refuge. i want to begin with what's happening in russia. in the pre-dawn hours on friday morning two ukrainian helicopters carried out an attack in russia that destroyed an oil depot in the russian town of belgorod which is roughly 25 miles inside russian territory. ukraine initially said it could neither confirm or deny that claim and nbc news has confirmed that ukrainian forces were responsible for this attack. it's the first time that ukraine has carried out an offensive attack on russia on russian territory in the 38 days of this war. russia is saying it was an act

of significant escalation that could complicate peace talks within the two countries which is kind of wild given that russia invaded this country unprovoked, but the brazen attack piloted by ukrainian helicopters in russian airspace is one of a series of significant victories in contrast to the russians' military effort. ukrainians are touting that they've taken back key territory that russia had previously occupied including a suburb on the outskirts of kyiv that had been under russian control since the first week of the war in february. its mayor took to telegram declaring the town free. ukrainians have taken back boroyanka and a small village near the russian border as well as two other villages south of

chernihiv. russians left chernobyl after soldiers began exhibiting signs ever radiation poisoning after carelessly and seemingly unknowingly kicking up all sort of radioactive durst while making their way in the nuclear plant and digging defensive trenches in radioactive soil. russians have also abandoned airport outside of kyiv that could have and should have been strategically important for them because control of this specifics airport that you're looking at would have allowed them to fly troops directly to the capital and not worry about getting stuck in the mud or encountering roadblocks or rung out of fuel. "the new york times" reported it's running strategy out of moscow with no central war command tore call the shots, end quote. which explains perhaps the haphazard nature of this invasion. as many as 15,000 russian soldiers are believed to have

been killed in this war and, and nbc has no way to independently verify that number and if it's accurate that's roughly the same number of russians killed in afghanistan over the span of ten years in 38 days. due to these significant losses, russia is being looking into drafting soldiers from the nation of georgia and to calling up tens of thousands of new russian con scripts and volodymyr zelenskyy is looking to blunt that effort. in a message sent out last night he sent out a warning in the russian language, quote, warn every search conscript and their parents that we do not need new dead people here. do not let them join the army. do whatever you can to keep them alive at home in their own home. zelenskyy's warning comes as ukraine is set to get help, and they pledged another delivery of

military weapons worth $300 million that include laser-guided rocket systems, armed droned, armored vehicles, machine guns and other military equipment. despite successes for the ukrainians many parts of the country remain under siege. just this morning there were missile attacks that hit a pair of central ukrainian cities that damaged residential buildings and destroyed local infrastructure. ukraine was saying 31 people were killed and 34 in others were injured in a rocket attack that hit a government building in mykolaiv, and the situation in mariupol continues to be dire. yesterday a red cross convoy loaded with aid for the people that remain stuck in the region was unable to reach the besieged port city because conditions were too dangerous. in all, ukraine says there will be seven ukrainian corridors so

it is unclear as to how those are going and i'll check in with molly hunter in lviv today. she joins me now. after more than five week, thousands of people, possibly tens of thousands of people remain stuck in mariupol with very little food, water, medicine, resources, heat, power, cell phones. all of the stuff you need to live. what's the latest on the humanitarian corridors today? >> you're exactly right, all of the stuff they need to live they do not have. we've talked to the lucky ones who made it to lviv and they describe horrific, horrific conditions. we have new videos and i want to be clear what we're looking at. it is rt video, russian propaganda video and they have verified this video. we know that it shows mariupol, but i just want to show you rt is showing video of the city that their russian troops have destroyed, have flattened.

you see that is absolute carnage and that is what people are trying to escape. we believe there are 100,000 people, ali, still stuck inside. the mayor's office says there are roughly 170,000 and these are people in basements, anything to stay safe. the latest we have on the humanitarian convoy. they failed yesterday and they would start again today. the latest we have is icic vehicles, tern busses and not close toa many as you need to get people out have left zaporizhzhia and then to mariupol. that's the leg that gets incredibly difficult. for people to have even a chance to get on the evacuation busses they have to get into private cars, and i can tell you talking to people from mariupol who made it to lviv in private cars, there are very few cars even operating. they've been completely

destroyed. you see cars come out missing and missing coors and anything to get on one of those evacuations busses. they are the neutral body and talking to both sides. they did not point finger and they ensure safe passage and we've not gotten an update. you mentioned cell phones. it's hard for us to get updates on the teens and it is even harder for people living in mariupol to get information from the outside world to figure out where they should go if there's an evacuation corridor or if it's safe place to leave a safe place where they're hiding, ali. people who left mariupol or kharkiv and come to the west if they come to lviv, even they can't reach the people they left behind. i was seeing them in poland and hungary and the relief that they were out of ukraine was offset

by the fact that they have loved ones back home that they can't contact. it's a remarkable contact and we'll stay on it with you. thank you very much. molly hunter here live in lviv, ukraine. joining me is angela stent an expert on u.s.-russia relation and she served as a national intelligence officer for russia and you're asia and the office of the director of national intelligence and shooerz a senior fellow and the author of "putin's world. russia against the west with the rest." dr. stent, good to see you again. this week has felt like an inflexion point in the war. volodymyr zelenskyy has said so. there are signs russian forces are moving out of some areas and unclear why they've done so and then there was this ukrainian attack of a fuel depot inside russia. tell me how we processed this and where you think we are on the 38th day. >> that was a lot to process.

the ukrainians are fighting back quite successfully and the russians have not been able to take kyiv and they're regrouping. they're not leaving and they're having more of the troops in the donbas region and as you said in other cities. i would be skeptical about these peace talks. i think the ukrainians have been sincere and they have a plan on the table that they've offered and you hear the same thing from the russians and the russian delegation in istanbul said yes, we're making progress and dmitri peskov says no progress was made. i think it is very hard to believe that the kremlin is very serious about peace negotiations. they're still trying to prevail and disrupt and think, with this ukrainian attack inside russia in belgorod, that is also a step in a new direction for the ukrainians because they're essentially saying, you're invading us, you're attacking us. here's some of your own medicine. i think ukrainians are putting

up a very valiant fight and as you said, they're going to get some more equipment from the united states, more weapons and they're going to continue fighting. >> i want to ask your interpretation of a new poll by an independent russian polster the nevada center. vladimir putin is more popular than he's been in years. his approval ratings has gone up by double digits since before the war began. a, do you believe the poll? can polling even be accurate in russia when you're not allowed to even call this a war and c, is he getting more popular because of it? >> well, this is an independent polling organization, the only independent one in russia, but yes, if you're called about this and you know that you can get 15 years in prison if you call this a war and criticize it, of course, you will say yes. many russians have rallied to this, if they're only state-run

media, they have this picture where they are told that it's the ukrainians that are attacking them and the rt footage and what the russians are told is that the ukrainians have done this themselves to mariupol. many russians have difficulty believing that russia would have invaded when their relatives in ukraine call them and say this is what's really happening and the russian relatives say we don't believe you. there's genuine popularity and they feel that russia is besieged and putin, the last time he had ratings like that was in 2014 when they took crimea. so there is something there in the russian population apparently that craves this. >> let me ask you, though, about the endgame. you said in a quote in "the new yorker" that you don't know if there's an endgame because russia as prime minister spent nine years in chechnya blowing that place to smithereens and

taking control of it and it's been a decade in afghanistan in an unsuccessful war. russia does have staying power, i assume. so how could this work out if it just keeps going. we're in day 38. could we be talking on day 308 talking about this? >> the russia has been at war with ukraine since 2014 in the donbas region. we forget. 14,000 people have died just in that conflict and putin, i don't think he's going to give up. his determination to subjugate ukraine and to have it compliant to russia isn't going to go away. the russians do have superior numbers of troops and they're going to grind down there, they will continue in this conflict for as long as they can. as i say, there may be lulls and the idea that fairly soon we'll get a peace agreement and

everything can stop and we can reconstruct ukraine. unfortunately, i think that's overly optimistic at the moment given what we know about putin's own playbook. >> dr. stent, thank you for being with us. a little bit of the sausage being made for our viewers. we will enjoy the company of your husband tomorrow who is an energy expert. so give him good tips about how to join us on our show tomorrow. angela stent is a senior fellow at the brookings institution and the auth offer "putin's world. "qwest this is a special edition of "velshi," live from the beautiful city of ukraine. i've can called it cosmopolitan. it seems fitting to learn about its history and the cultural significance it holds and i want you to stick around fair special edition of lviv. later president biden called it seeing the best in humanity. the non-profit world central kitchen has provided more than 4

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getting ukraine's civilian population to safety continues to be a massive operation, and for months terrell jermaine star host of the black diplomats podcast and a friend of our show has not only been reporting from the ground, but he's helping people to find safety all across ukraine. after about three months there terrell is now in poland, but he assisted a few more people on his way out of the country. yesterday terrell tweeted this photo saying he escorted this grandmother from kyiv to warsaw, poland and picked up another woman who managed to escape from mariupol. earlier this morning terrell posted this on twitter, quote,

i've been outside of ukraine for less than 24 hours and it feels very odd. my mind and my body are still in ukraine even as i'm sitting in the heart of warsaw. >> terrell jermaine star is a senior fellow at the atlantic council's eurasia center and joins me from warsaw. your perspective has been remarkable since before the war started and you were in kyiv and you were going around talking to people who were preparing for war. you now have a slightly different perspective and you are in warsaw, a city not affected except for the small number of refugees there. >> well, this is the first night when i didn't have to worry about the possibility of a russian missile hitting someone they know or being in proximity to it and not hearing explosions. that's the main thing. it feels -- that tweet saying it feels odd and it feels surreal

because you spent much of your time becoming acclimated to a war environment and everything is silence. it's functioning as normal, all things considered covid, but, you know, i brought in a woman 83 years old who is legally blind to her grandson, and a naturalized citizen of the united states whose home i happen to be in right now and that's the remnants of me being in the country, but still i feel like i'm in warsaw, but my body and my mind, psychologically, i can't break the fact that i still feel like i'm in ukraine. >> i've been watching who you've been talking to and i've been watching who you've been helping. you've been helping people without regard to their status, their need, their color, their age, their race or religion, but you did tweet, i am grateful for

the good things people say about you, but i'm stressful because i'm black and refugees who look like me aren't being seen with the same humanity. it's painful to witness. tell me more about that, please. >> yeah. absolutely. that's a dichotomy that we have as black people or people of color who have a conscience about these things as we are in for lack of a better word, white country. when people are asking me to bring -- hey, terrell, example with this grandmother, can you help with my grandmother? she's in kyiv. i didn't hesitate about it. i hired a vehicle, a driver to bring us from kyiv to lviv where you are and then from there we had to stay for a night at an apartment that i rented and then we had to go through the polish border and so the polish border now obviously is not as congested as it was when the war got started and i did that

without hesitation. when you see black and brown people who need the same treatment they don't get it as much and it's heartbreaking because i don't have any type of regard for color or anything that you said, but i know that the reception, the narratives and the stories of being heroes and the triumph, the humanity that the people are getting and i'm very happy that the people i'm helping and more and thousands and millions more are getting that, but people who look like me don't, and again, just being someone who loves ukraine and loves doing what i do and in the back of my mind i wonder if people that look like me, and as history show, it underpins what i do, and it's something i always think about even if i don't always say it. >> and the work you're doing may help to change that narrative and that's the important part. you're saying it. it's hard to hear that kind of stuff because -- because we don't want to face some of our flaws. >> you're in a war zone.

people are in a war zone. >> yeah. >> they're in a war zone, ali. i don't want to -- i don't have to have to burden them, these racial politics or whatever, but -- and i don't really talk about it too much because again, these ukrainians are definitely in a war zone and i'm speaking more to the american people hey, when we think about our resources and who do we help and what kind of things we provide are we giving the black and brown people the same kindness and tenderness. too often it's the american that's the aggressor against black and brown people because for ukrainians america and the eu is the savior for people who look like us, ali, are many times unfortunately, we have to keep it real, it's not the case. >> you make a good point, my friend. thank you. enjoy safety and security for a little while. it feels very different, doesn't

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ukrainians are struggling to survive in the face of russian aggression. at the same time many others are doing whatever they can to help those staying in ukraine even giving up their possessions. my next guest is kira rudyk and she encapsulated when she tweeted we're holding on to too

many things that have emotional video. my christmas choir sweaters are going to a family, and michelle, kira's cat isn't going anywhere. she's a leader of the holos political party, an opposition party. she learned to fire and use a gun weeks ago in order to stay in ukraine and to help fight for her country. ms. rudyk, thank you for joining us. it's good to see you again and i'm saddened by the milestone of how regularly and how long we've been talking and anne applebaum said something to me, ukraine has a dynamic political system. in normal times people fight, you disagree and you're an opposition leader and you have policy disagreement, but yet you have come together in this moment against a common enemy and taken up arms and i guess hopefully you'll get back to being normal, you know, in a normal political discourse

onesie one day and it's a lesson to behold how you political bodies in ukraine have been affected by this war. >> hello, ali. thank you so much for having me again. so right now even though i'm a leader of an oppositional party. in ukrainian parliament we are standing up as one. yesterday we had the fifth sooeth of ukrainian parliaments in the beginning of the war and we voted for 21 legislation pieces that became laws and we were doing it unanimously. it is critically important that we put aside all of our political differences and we fight the common enemy and we make sure we get back to the luxury of having different opinions on various political issues and making sure that we are figuring out how to rebuild our country that we are concentrated on the things that are related to peace instead of

being concentrated on one thing. how to get more and more equipment and supplies to another country to make sure that we fight russians back. also today i was at places near kyiv. they are being left by ukrainian army and the russians left it a couple of days before. i can tell you what i have seen is absolutely terrible. they are leaving mines everywhere, in people's homes. they are still leave everything back, even the silver and the tea pots, they were taking it with them and the worst thing that we have observed there are people who were killed by the shots with having their hands tied on their backs and this is absolutely terrifying as to

putin's crime, and i cannot even begin to tell you how devastated i am right now. >> you tweeted something. ukrainian parliament is still at work. you actually had a joint session yesterday with the president of the european parliament, but you have tweeted something very important and we talked about the rome statute last week. you said ukraine needs to ratify the rome statute. we need to use all of our force to make sure putin would not omit the responsibility for his crimes. the rome statute basically allows the prosecution of international crimes ever genocide, crimes against humanity, war crimes and crimes of aggression. ukraine is not a party to that right now and you're saying that ukraine should be a party to that so that you can conduct war crimes trials in this country. >> correct. so we actually signed the rome statute, but have not ratified it yet. right now we are looking at war not only from an emotional

perspective, but also from a practical point that we want putin and everyone who was committing their crime against humanity to be at some point prosecuted. we now are facing many, many judicial issues on saying, okay, who else would be doing that and how do we make sure that at some point every single person who was committing what they're seeing right now that they will get punishment for that and this is the huge legislative working that we are working and prepares to make sure when the time comes we are ready and i'm for ratifying the statute because we will be able to prosecute putin here and we want to be a part of every single tribunal that will be able to sue him for his

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turbulent, history. it's quiet right now in lviv because ukraine is under martial law and there is a curfew all night, but when the sunrises, this vibrant, stunningly beautiful city remembers that it's been through this before. lviv has gone by many names over the centuries and it's believed to have been first settled in the first century by slavic tribes. it was founded by prince daniel of galicia as part of the kingdom of ruthinia. he named it after his son lev which formed into lviv. the 11-year-old city was invaded by the mongols who are said to have ordered daniel of galicia to oversee the destruction of the town's castles and fortifications himself. by 1270 the city was rebuilt. this time by daniel's son who was now king lev and the growing town became an important city, the capital of galicia.

lviv was a cosmopolitan city from the start. many poles and armenians moved in and it was into the grand lithuania. when it was established in 1349 and things went that way between the lithuanians and poles for years while simultaneously being settled by ethnic germans and czechs. the city had become a major center for trade between the baltic sea and the black sea and for the nascent publishing industry. in 1861 the king of poland established the ivan frank owe national university of lviv which is still tlifing, but the 17th century also brought a series of new invaders to the now prosperous city, tushgs, hungarian, ottomans, crossecs, crimean totters and russians. lviv held them all off, but this

charmed city's luck changed in 1704. it was finally actually kapt urd by, and i'll bet you didn't see this coming, the swedes. then the plague arrived wiping out 40% of the population. in 1772 the austrian empire took control of the city and it was out with the swedes and in with the german speakers who renamed it lehmberg. the city grew under german rule and german became the language of education and commerce. >> one of the characteristics of this city which may be familiar to you if you visited austria are the covery shops. they started dotting up under austrian rule. even during frequent air raids, they have not abandoned their coffeehouses. lviv was the third city in the austrian empire. a census showed 86% of the residents of the city spoke

polish, 11% spoke to ruthinnian which is now an extinct language which is what belarusians now speak. it warrant nearly done. in 1914 early in world war i it was captured by the russians. that didn't last long. by the summer of 1915 it was back under the control of the austro-hungarian empire although much of it was destroyed in battle. after world war i it was internationally recognized as part of poland. lviv maintained its polish character through the next several decades and grew to become poland's third largest city, but while the city itself was polish, the surrounding country side felt distinctive ukrainian and it went on that way until september 1939, the day world war ii started when lviv or lvulv as the poles called it was annexed by the

soviet union. in 1910, 51% of the population was catholic, 19% ukrainian orthodox, 28% jewish. by 1931 there were an estimated 75,000 jews in lviv. when the nazis captured lviv in 1941 they gathered all of the jews from the city and surrounding countryside and sent them here to the concentration camp. this is the only building that remains standing from that time. those who were not here were sent to the belzak concentration camp across the border. the nazi tortures were set to music played by an orchestra called the tango of death which consisted of jewish prisoners at the camp. just before the city was liberated, the nazis had the orchestra perform and killed them all. the horror came to an end in 1944 when the red army of the soviet union captured the city from the nazis.

by then fewer than 1,000 jews remained in lviv and the polish population was largely forced or harassed out and over the border to poland. the conference sealed the deal, making lviv part of the soviet union where it remained until ukraine gained its independence on december 1, 1991. right after the break i'll have more about lviv, but what it's like today during war. the deputy mayor of the city and a former member of parliament sergei kurol will join me rid no here. re 99% try parodontax active gum health mouthwash. ♪ ♪ we believe there's an innovator in all of us. ♪

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♪♪ so at first glance people in lviv appear to be carrying on with life as usual and for the most part this city has been spared the shelling that's become part of daily life in eastern ukraine, but this city has been transformed by the war in other ways. millions of displaced ukrainians have passed through lviv on their way to points further

west, mainly poland which is just a train ride away or an hour's drive by car. hundreds of thousands of others have found refuge right here at least for the meantime. >> we heard the air raid sirens. is that why you came under here? >> yes, of course. to save our lives and our children. now we plan to stay here. we hope that the situation may be changed. we hope of this, so i don't -- i don't want to leave lviv. >> that was a family who we met after an air raid siren after ukraine. recent missile attacks nearby and the daily air raid sirens are reminders that things can

change at any moment even in this part of the country. joining me now is sergei kurol deputy mayor of lviv and former member of the ukrainian parliament and we took a walk together the other day and you told me how to interpret going out in the city and it's a saturday afternoon. they're trying to act normal. we haven't had an air raid siren in several hours and i don't think we've had one today yet, but they happen. >> yes. last night we had an air raid siren. i guess you have to be prepared for anything that can happen. as we can see, russia is not rejecting or denying or refusing its plans to dominate in ukraine. there are some tactical changes. you know, yesterday putin signed a new decree to mobilize more people to its army. so what's going to happen next? will there be more bombardments

in western ukraine and the infrastructure as there was in the past? you never know. we have to brace for the worst. >> you are like so many families in ukraine. people are passing through here and looking for places to stay. you took someone in in your home. >> as you saw in your previous video which i liked very much, in fact has turned from a tourist center to sort of a humanitarian hub where we have right now in the city more than 200,000 internally displaced people and our infrastructure and our cafes and restaurants and all of the people in lviv are providing any help they can which they used to provide to the tourists they do for the people in need. everything they want to have everything they need to have because many people have arrived here without, you know, taking much from their homes and apartments and now we can see, watching this liberated towns and villages from northern --

from the northeastern parts of kyiv, what russian aggressors and invaders and occupants did for their apartments and homes. this is just outrageous, i think. >> we've had a series of attacks in the region and one was a military base and one was an air parts factory and last sunday while president biden was in warsaw and we saw missile attacks out that way. how has that changed here? >> i think there is an overwhelming understanding that we will have as many attacks as long as we have no specific weapon and particularly air defense weapon which will protect our skies. russians and russian army have more bombs and more rockets to send to ukraine and they will do that. they will continue to destroy our civilian infrastructure and our civilian people, women and

children, and i think that the west, particularly president biden has to stop thinking or contemplating for some sort of a quick win solution, a peace deal or something like that maybe before this congressional election or something of a similar nature. i think the world has understand by now that ukrainians are the fighters and we are going to continue to fight. we want to defeat russia not for some period of time in order for them to go back to another war in one year or five years, but for good, for the decades to have peace for the decades and this is not only about the security guarantees, but please provide us some weapon and aircrafts and air defense. some offensive weapons so we can get russians out of our territory. defeat them, totally defeat and then sit down and have peace

talks about the peaceful for a longer period of time and not for some temporary peace and being afraid to get back to get to more bombardments and more deaths of the civilians. that's what i think about this and really, we shouldn't be talking today about, you know, what and how to hide in the shelters. we should be placing more sanctions on russia and pressuring both europeans and the american government, as well, to arm ukrainian army and to help us to win this war. >> sir, good to see you again. thank you for joining us. serhiy kirol is deputy mayor of this beautiful city of u lviv, ukraine. we hope to be here in better times. >> thank you for the history of lviv. thank you very much. >> thank you, sir. right after the break we'll talk to the founder of the world

central kitchen. so far that organization has fed 4 million people in ukraine. that's next on this special edition of "velshi" live from lviv, ukraine. from lviv, ukraine.

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hostilities with russia have experts around the world worried about the possibility of cyber warfare. it prompted the biden administration to warn u.s. companies to shore up their

cyber defenses. how prepared is the united states as a nation for a potential cyber attack? my colleague, jacob ward, looks at the vulnerabilities in our infrastructure and an nsa program that teachers hackers to find them first. >> reporter: you may think students playing with miniature models are innocent hobbyists. >> they have been attacking and protecting cargo ships, hospitals, chemical pumps. >> reporter: this is a hackathon, arranged by the national security agency with help from a cyber security nonprofit that trains students to head off cyber attacks on industrial facilities. >> it impacts the supply chain. great percentage of our ecosystem and economic power comes from export and import. >> reporter: under the watchful eye of officials show a bit of code can disrupt that. attacking same systems that steer and propel full size

shipping vessels. >> we are attacking a real system that could be used in a real ship, it is just a fake ship here. if we were attacking a real system could have done real damage to the ship and cargo and the economy of the country that owns the ship. >> reporter: the best and brightest are usually recruited into military and government roles, but the u.s. is a decentralized place. >> 80% of what is operated as critical infrastructure in the united states is privately owned so the government can't do this job. we have to have partnerships. >> reporter: today's targets ranged from ports to ship board controls to water purification systems, and there's enormous, alarming creativity in this room. >> most obvious and simple attack or result would be simply disabling it so water doesn't get filtered and implications to that are pretty obvious. there's also a chemical additive can be added to filter water, adding too much or too little

could have disastrous results on public health. >> reporter: these are not hypothetical threats. last years, engineers in florida stopped adding deadly levels of ly to the water. just as the colonial pipeline attack by hackers in russia was a direct attack on our energy supply. president biden is calling for the public and private sector to shore up cyber defenses. the cyber security and infrastructure agency just gathered u.s. companies to ask they be on high alert, show any signs of attack. these students are learning to think like someone that wants to cripple a port or poison a city. >> everything has computers attached and it is only a matter of which adversary is willing to go how far to try and damage physically or economically the nation and we have to have experts who can prevent that. >> reporter: jake ward, nbc

news, ft. lauderdale. >> all right, thanks for that report. a change of plans. more than 10.5 million ukrainians have been displaced from their homes. another daunting statistic is the world food program estimates 45% of ukrainians are worried about finding enough food to eat. that's where world central kitchen comes in, one of the crucial nonprofits working to address the hunger crisis, feed newly vulnerable communities in and outside ukraine. joining me, the ceo of world central kitchen. the organization founded by the activist and humanitarian, chef jose andres. nick joins us by phone. i have seen operations outside of ukraine. you're in kharkiv which i understand is under air raid siren. are you hearing shelling where you are now? >> i am, yes. we just had to run inside.

that's why i am not on video at the moment. there's active shelling on the eastern side of the community. we are here delivering meals to residents, families trapped here and we have been doing so with restaurant partners for weeks. >> we have been hearing about this, the idea that in kharkiv, mariupol and places like this, people are actually out of food. if they can get to grocery stores, there are short supplies. supply chains are completely broken down. people are starting to go hungry. how much can you do with restaurant partners to get food to people that are not refugees, they're just starving. >> absolutely. this is a major focus. our partners on the ground are producing freshly prepared meals out of restaurants, 5,000 meals from one kitchen alone, and food kits. we're taking packages of food and products that we can bring

to apartment buildings where families are living. many of them are in bomb shelters beneath the building. a lot of buildings, every window is shattered, shells have fallen, cars are destroyed. people have nowhere to go. there are no grocery stores or gas stations, they're trapped here. we're able to come in and provide both fresh meals to eat right away and give them supplies for the next few days because we may not be able to reach them again for quite awhile. >> nate, how big a deal is the supply chain issue. can you come in with supplies and food or are you trying to figure out ways to get supplies and food to the kitchens and restaurants? >> so it is a combination of things. there definitely are supplies here that are accessible through local distribution and from kharkiv from outside cities, even from kyiv, able to bring things in. the issue is scale because

there's so much need now, just getting the amounts of things that you need to prepare and produce meals is very difficult. our restaurants are running out of meat, for example. we're trying to get meat in from poland. our team in lviv is bringing in trucks every day and we are then bringing it across the country into kharkiv as well. it is a combination of things, bringing in product from within the region and buying up all we can, getting it to our restaurants and to families that are still here. >> nate, the work you're all doing is amazing. thank you for it. nate mook, ceo of world central kitchen which is continuing its mission to feed people that need food all over the world in disasters. that does it for me. thanks for watching velshi. catch me tomorrow from 8 to 10 eastern and through the coming week at 9:00 p.m. eastern as i host the rachel maddow show. stay here, the cross connection with tiffany cross begins right

now. t now. good morning, everybody. we certainly have a lot to cover on the cross connection this morning, from the latest in ukraine to drama at the oscars we can't stop talking about. let's begin with drama here in washington. that's the drama that matters. this week, the january 6th investigation became a trump family affair. donald trump's son-in-law, jared kushner, met with the house committee investigating the insurrection for more than six hours thursday. one committee member says kushner shared valuable information. what does that mean exactly. so far, he is the most senior member of the trump administration and first trump family member to appear before the panel voluntarily. his testimony comes days after reports of a suspicious nearly 8 hour gap in trump's white house phone logs, and to make trump's week