breaking right now on msnbc. glimmers of hope in the war in ukraine. the kyiv region has been liberated, and there is a possibility that we could see a peace meeting between president zelenskyy very since. can the russian president be trusted, even as his forces pulled back from the ukrainian capital? there are reports that they are leaving behind early traps for civilians. trump state takes the stage for another rally in another speech packard with lies. nothing about his request on vladimir putin for deshaun hunter biden. >> --

consistently moral and unpatriotic to be appealing to putin. >> republicans have not said much about that request. they have been too busy dealing with congressman madison -- drug claims. closer look at what one economists calls a the hot mess for the political party. meanwhile, getting ready to send president biden's nominee to the supreme court despite wild republican attacks. the victory prompted some to ask, is the confirmation process broken? good morning, it is sunday april 3rd, i am cory coffin live in new york city. let's dive right in. signs of hope in ukraine this morning. but questions about vladimir putin's intentions rise a large. because this, morning ukrainians say that the keep region has been liberty for russian forces, and we could be close to a peace meeting between president putin and zelenskyy. here is a firsthand look at the hope on the streets in ukraine. workers able to get to a community near kyiv, handing

out some much needed food and medicine after days and weeks of trying. meanwhile, a top ukrainian official says peace treaty documents are far enough along to allow for the two leaders to talk directly. which will likely happen in turkey. but can watery wouldn't be trusted? the russian president has sunk to a new low. and the way he pulled his troops out of the capital city. ukrainian soldiers are inspecting the city which is just been liberated to see if this russian forces have left any trumps behind. what they're doing in this, video leaving red rags anything we think could detonate. so lynskey warns that russian forces could have left them in homes, abandoned equipment, or even the bodies of those who have been killed. this is a grim reminder of how precarious things are right now. and how important those potential peace talks are in eastern europe. we will get to that later in the show. let's begin with the latest on the ground in ukraine. here is gabe -- >> this morning, new explosions in southern ukraine. several airstrikes in the

southern port city of odessa. russians say that they destroyed an oil refinery in several storage facilities. the war seems to be shifting east. russian forces have apparently pulled out of the area in and around kyiv. but we are starting to see disturbing video emerging from that area. in bucha, for example, witnesses say that there are dead bodies on the streets and that russian forces have opened fire on civilians. but a rare bit of good news for mariupol, where several hundred residents have been evacuated on humanitarian buses. this all comes as there is some hope for a meeting between president putin and president zelenskyy. ukraine's lead negotiator says that both countries have come to an agreement on most issues except once. the issue of crimea. and they face to face meeting could happen, quote, in the near future, in turkey.

just today, russia's lead negotiator said that while talks are ongoing, he does not share the same optimism that a meeting could happen between the two leaders. back to you. >> let's turn now to delaware, where it is president biden spending the weekend tomorrow with a short vote on the senate judiciary committee for his supreme court nominee of ketanji brown jackson. gary, this is a much-needed win for biden. how do we expect this all to play tomorrow? >> not as easily as you would think, cory. there are 20 -- 11 republicans and 11 democrats. we are expecting a vote along party lines within the committee, which will result in a fine. there are special procedures that the democrats can move to get ketanji brown jackson up to a full senate vote. that is expected on, friday before friday congress is leaving for a spring break on friday's. that is a big political win for biden, a congressman who is

really stalled on all of the respects of the biden agenda. everything from bbb, whatever is to come of the build back better agenda, to even voting rights. but there was a stronger job reports on friday that was 431 newly created jobs in the month of march. and the unemployment rate dictum down 2.1% of what it was in pre-pandemic levels. here is what president biden had to say about those numbers. >> what it means is clear. very clear. americans are back to work. and that is good news for millions of families, and the dignity that comes from a paycheck. the dignity of having a job. and more more americans get jobs, as they do it will help ease the supply pressures that we've seen. that is good news for fighting inflation, good news from nick our economy. it means our quantity is gone from being on the man to being on the move. >> now, that seems to be really

good news for president biden stops. well biden says the economy is on the move, his reports on the topic of very much not. his -- four right now is 43%, those are his lowest number since nbc started tracking him as president. >> thank. you will be talking about the ketanji brown jackson nomination later. on why some senators fear that the process is irreparably broken. i want to turn you to another report the news on capitol hill, where they will vote tomorrow to return to previous trump -- have refused to comply with subpoenas. this was after kushner supported the committee last week. ivanka trump will -- as well. joined with ali on the capital for. so good morning. only when we expect a full house vote on the trump --

contempt, what does this mean practically speaking? >> if this were help to members of the january six committee i'm sure there will be here without trying to get this vote in on. but there is one more hurdle that this needs to pass before it becomes official. because right now it is still technically considered a recommendation. by the committee, after a vote unanimously last week too hold former trump advisers, peter navarro and dan scavino, in contempt of congress for refusing to comply with subpoenas for months. those two have signed executive privilege, that they say only for president trump could waive as the reasons we're not talking to the committee. so, now the house rules committee takes this. they're expected to meet tomorrow at 3 pm. if it passes, the house rules committee can then go to the house majority leader who has said that if it passes, he would like to schedule a vote on this right away. and if it does pass, which has

a very good chance of doing, because of a democratic majority that still does not mean that there are criminal convictions here. congress technically cannot do that. this still has to go to the justice department. this is the department that the committee is growing more and more frustrated with. because of previous criminal referrals of they have sent over to general eric garland, which have been delayed. one specifically for former white house chief of staff mark meadows. and so cory, this is very frustrating in the grand scheme of things for the committee, because they really are up against an artificial deadline of the midterm elections to try to get this all done, as they continue repeating. as they continue suffering pretty delays for people who are not complying with subpoenas. gathering more interviews. so we actually heard house minority leader kevin mccarthy say recently little republicans win back the majority in the house, the focus of the whole committee will be shifted. so there is definitely pressure

on committee rubbers to get this done, especially ahead of these public hearings that we keep hearing so much about, that we hope we will be getting the. summer >> having one timeline in mind, the justice have been quite a different timeline in mind. ali, i want to ask you about. this we know that ivanka trump was in talks with the january six committee about potentially testifying. any news on that front? her husband, of course, testify this past week. >> yes. that was a voluntary testimony that lasted over six hours. so may not happen in the committee's wish, list by the members are certainly happy that happens. but jerry kushner's testimony actually came two months after the committee originally asked ivanka trump to come in and answer questions, which so far has not been put in the schedule. chairman ben thompson has said that he is very hopeful that conversations can continue. we know that jared kushner actually was in d.c.. he was on a foreign trip the day of january six. however, ivanka trump we know

is not only in the white house, she was in the oval office with the former president, urging him to intervene as the capitol was under attack. so this is definitely someone, a key person, that the committee is pursuing to finish up this investigation. >> no doubt one of the lines of questioning might be, for her specifically, any formation that she is privy to of the missing seven and a half hour calls from the white house. ali for us on capitol hill, thanks. alec coming, up we will go back to ukraine where they're going to be a major breakthrough on the diplomatic front. details of a possible sit-down between putin and zelenskyy. but, well we would be selling to undergrad, tensions are rising in space. which are threatening to pull to the international space station, even saying that the rocket could fall back to earth. where does that mean? though and what moscow needs, in the next hour. in the next hour thanks, dad. that's right, robert. and it's never too early to learn you could save with america's number one motorcycle insurer.

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let's bring in our panel. william taylor serving as ambassador to ukraine, and colonel mark -- as the senior adviser for the national security program at the center for strategic and international studies. welcome both, have you thank you so much for being with us. karlyn, i'll start with, you how do you go shoot with somebody like putin? who is given the world no reason to trust his word. >> and the negotiations would have to go forward without trusting them. but we have had those negotiations before. we had negotiations when the war in vietnam. or in korea. so is it possible to make a deal with somebody really do not trust. it does not mean that whatever agreement comes out has to have a various of guarantees, so we don't have to trust the russians. it is possible to put something like that together. it is going to take a long time, though, because there are so many issues that need to be sorted through. >> okay. ambassador taylor, earlier russia's chief negotiator said that ukraine was turning to

talk more realistically about being a neutral state. what was your reaction to that? but with me for europe? >> so, cori coffin, ukrainians have been looking for ways to secure themselves. they need security for their country. for their citizens. this out for a long time that that security could come from being a member of nato. and they understand, now reluctantly, that is not going to happen. and so they need security now. they are looking for other ways. and as you say, one of the options is the austrian. model which is neutral country, not a member of nato, but a member of the european union. and cory, when they need if they are going to adopt us, if they are thinking about, that is two things. a very strong military. and they have a strong military right now. and to allow us to continue to take weapons and training from wherever they want. that is number one. number two, as the colonel mentioned, security guarantees.

security guarantees for ukraine's sovereignty and central integrity. that they need from guarantor nations. from the united states, germany, turkey, poland, the british. from the russians. we are not trusting them. the russians have demonstrated that they can be trusted. so it is going to be difficult conversation to have. but security guarantees from the west will be -- >> colonel cancian, this war has turned more than 4 million accordions into refugees, according to the un. i want to read you part of a recent new york times editorial which says this was part of the plan along. quote, refugees are not a design flaw of vladimir putin's war in ukraine. indiscriminate bombing of civilian infrastructure is part of a broader strategy to demoralize the civilian population, and drive residents into neighboring countries, where their presence can be destabilizing. if this is true, what does this tree for russia? >> the russians have gone

through several phases in this concept. the initial blitzkrieg was designed to knock off the ukrainian government very quickly. that failed. they moved into a step-by-step attack along their four axes. and their use of firepower was part of that. you sir firepower, as we have seen, not just in ukraine but in syria and chechnya, which the russians use quite extensively. it is part of their doctrine. get a lot of civilian displacement. and so there are a variety of elements here. part of it was military, part of it was trying to demoralize, destabilize, the ukrainians. which created a lot of refugees. but they did not destabilize the ukrainian government. demoralize eyes. so that has. failed now we are in the third phase where they're withdrawing from kyiv. and moving to the east. maybe also establishing some rotations. >> ambassador taylor, at this point in the war, what you see is the best realistic outcome?

not just for ukraine but for the world? and especially if ukraine is able to achieve that neutral state which they're hopeful for? >>, cori, the best outcome is for president putin to realize he's losing in the battlefield. he tried to go to kyiv and was stopped. the ukrainian military stopped him there. and now the military is pushing them out, pushing them out of, keep pushing them east. and they are bottling it up. that is rage that the ukrainians undertook into russia demonstrates that the ukrainian -- is ready to fight. and they will fight hard. so when president putin realizes that he is not going to win on the battlefield, then he can sit down. then he can sit down and negotiate. he has not indicated to his team that he is ready to do that, yet. but he may. you asked about the best outcome? the best outcome is for him to sit, then cease fire at the beginning, with your forces,

and talk about the status of the russian forces in various places. like in donbas, where they have been four years. and in crimea, where they have been four years. those kinds of conversations, as ukrainian said, they are willing to have. they are willing to see. that they are not willing to see any other territory. there are negotiations to we, have to put it has to be driven by, allowed by, triggered by, the realization that posed by president putin that he is losing on the battlefield. >> something that he is definitely not going to admit publicly. he will no doubt come out of this telling what he gained, that was the goal along. we appreciate ambassador william taylor and colonel market. with us this morning. the person is just fascinating. we will have to both of you gentlemen. brock thank you. new warnings that sticker shock at the supermarket could get even worse. why household staples like chicken and eggs are getting more expensive. and how much more, what can you expect to show up for easter, passover, and even moving forward from that.

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they say oh, he knows putin, he knows putin. that is a good thing, not a bad thing. >> donald trump once again touting his close ties to vladimir putin just days after he called the russian president to release dirt on hunter biden. he also recently praised putin's military strategy. the one which is killed thousands of civilians. hundreds of trillion. maimed families. democrats have voiced average over trump's embrace of putin. while republicans have largely remained silent. here is democratic congresswoman bonnie watson coleman. >> donald trump. -- a multiplicity of mental illnesses. and he has no sole. there is nothing this man could say or do that would surprise me. he has been a disgusting human

being since he has been a don't. >> in fact, only handful of moderate republicans have -- so far. why are so many in the gop spoken out against this rhetoric? and what does this day about the state of the party right now? democratic strategist michael singleton and arnold. i will trump, interview your former boss, mitt romney. one of the few republicans who has strongly condemned trump's praise of putin. why have so few of his colleagues spoken out? >> it is a really great question. i think most republicans are looking at this from intellect shun perspective. in 2018 2020's we saw the independent spring voters move away from republicans into the corner democrats. it certainly made a difference with 2020 was public with the

present biden crossing the border to become president. i think many republicans realize that over 50%, according to most recognize polls of independent swing voters, believe the president biden is not doing a good job. and so republicans believe that they are on the cusp of his career. if you look at the midterms cobra. it's so they realize, no sweaters, republicans, democrats, in their individual camps, spring swing voters can make a difference between electoral victory in the feet. so i think republicans are looking at this politically, saying, if this information comes out on hunter biden, perhaps electorally and politically it could be a benefit for republicans. a tool that they can use to help move more voters over to some of the republicans in november. >> dirt on hunter biden. supporting putin. i don't know, seems like an easy choice. jenna, i want to read something to you from politico. trump did manage to shift conservative thinking from putin himself, a powerful adversary of the u.s., who

wields power with another arctic strength the trump and his followers openly admire. does donald trump have that much hold on the gop? that he can ship perspective about this man, a former kgb officer, who he is doing war crimes? >> i would argue there's a difference between the gop and trump enthusiastic, that it is clear that as remarkable pointed out, is very eager to be having some of the camps going into the midterms. and i think the gop is just holding their breath, hoping that trump does not continue to take up more airtime. and that he just casually endorses there candidates. but one of the things that we cannot forget is that the american myth that trump continues to dispel is that

anything like what is happening in ukraine could not happen. here it is a promise that is consistently being made by personalities like him. i would say just a lot of people that follow him a very cultish type behavior on the relationship with him. and the gop is just holding their breath that he is not going to continue to do something that a lot of democratic strategies are going to encourage their candidates, their competitors, on the spot for. because ultimately we are going to have to say hey, your candidate is endorsed by donald trump, who is friends with a man who actively -- maternity wards. >> well said. for michael, i would like to turn to the controversy surrounding -- are furious for claiming that the gdp is using drugs and inviting them to sex parties. the 23-year-old is now one of north carolina's most powerful republican elected officials. he faces a difficult primary a

hat. he has given coffin who serial seal of approval, inviting him to speak israeli next. week what do you make of the congressman's comments? and do you think that this will actually help continue his reelection with trump support? >> i think it is ridiculous what he said. he is 26 years old. he was doing a podcast interview. i'm not sure if it was a moment to make news of what's. but it was ridiculous to assert the members of congress in the 60s and 70s were using cocaine and having orders. i have never heard of anything that asinine. with that said, i do think, as it was just stated, that many in the gop, from trump's ardent supporters, hoping the trump just cut tacitly gets involved. because they recognize that while they have the chance to win some of those independent voters, we know for aifa that one thing those swing voters hate more than anything else or dislike more than anything else is donald trump.

the last thing republicans want, republican strategists, leaders, want, is don't from getting involved by endorsing candidates like madison -- who do not have a chance to win. democrats can run as that say, this is trump to point out. if you don't want, this vote for us. that would indeed put republicans at risk. potentially, of not winning the type of majority that they are likely to win in november. and so i think republicans are really just hoping that trump goes away. they are hoping some of the candidates he win with will not pick up the type of steam. so that they can get independent voters and the chance to vote for mainstream type republican candidates. they believe will give the majority they're looking forward to. >> sorry to cut you up for michael, we will have to leave you. they are i have to bring you both back on. because we have much more to talk about with the midterms ahead. jenna arnold and shermicheal singleton, we appreciate you so much. don't go, anywhere we have more to talk to you about ketanji

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some say the nomination process is irreparably broken and will only get worse. here are just some of the attacks that she faced. >> do you agree with this book that has been taught with twigs that babies are racist? >> can you provide a definition for the word woman? >> on a scale of 1 to 10,, how faithful would you say you are? >> is cocaine more dangerous then -- or less, or the same? >> so you have nothing to add about why these crimes, why these images, in your view denouncing no especially heinous or greatest child pornography offense? >> despite those attacks, judge jackson's highly qualify. she has more judicial experience than 43 of the last 58 justices who took the bench. a majority of americans agree, 51% supporting her confirmation. as a, number that is higher than donald trump's last two nominees. so how did things get so bad? democratic senator chris murphy

says that the eric garland debacle last year was the point of no return. others cite the justices battles over brett kavanaugh even clarence thomas, you are both accused of sexual misconduct. so can they -- be fixed? -- is here, and shermicheal singleton is back. danny, do you agree with this analysis that the democratic electorate process is irreparably? broken >> irreparably, not so much. there is really nothing. new this goes back not just to justice clarence thomas, but drugged robert borg, and even way before him to justice abe forecasts in 1968. before the time it had been 70 years in the senate only rejected one justice. which is amazing about this attempted to confirmation in 1968 was that there was the same perfect. president johnson was a lame

duck, does that sound familiar, and therefore -- should not be confirmed during that lame duck period. there were all these attacks on potentially letting criminals go free. this has been going on at least since 1968. isn't accelerating? maybe. that is an argument to be made. but it is certainly not new. the supreme court process is broken to day. it started to be brought back in 1968. >> it is hard to think that we have not been able to make any progress. and in fact, it has gotten worse in those decades a sense. for michael, does not mean that future nominees have no hope? especially if there is a divided congress and president in power? >> i think so cory. it is interesting because i tweeted about this. a part of me wishes that they would just move away from these hearings. just like the supreme court.

because there are too many members, like senator ted cruz for example, looking for those viral moments. it is interesting to me, and it has really disappointed me. because all those republicans were already familiar with jackson. there is no -- record. some voted twice for lindsey graham. minority leader mitch mcconnell, ted cruz. so to me is political theatrics versus her record. versus her being an individual who has a wealth of experience and knowledge to be on before. she is not going to change the balance of the court. so one vote for her when they have already voted for her before? i think they just turn the entire process into a circus. a number of people do not benefit from the politics of this. >> there has been some potential fixes, danny, according to this nbc news piece. someone with the solutions for the democratic congress to add seats. liberal justices in retaliation

for republican tactics. is that the solution? or without just make things worse? >> the word retaliation suggests that it is probably not the best solution. since retaliation is not really a problem. >> not a word i liked either. >> right. so i think justices, at least from a workload perspective, might actually be a good thing. if it is only done for political purposes, or in order to add only liberal justices, the same folks making that argument would blanch of the idea of adding a republican or conservative justices. well then, that doesn't seem like a solution to a specific problem, even if i like the workload of release. it is not really designed to fix that problem. so look, back in the court with broad national support, broad constitutional support for this kind of thing, then maybe. but not just the right way liberals may see as wrongs that have been perpetrated in the

recent past. the bottom line, is this is always been contentious on both sides, and it has only gotten worse and worse and worse. it will only continue to get worse and worse and worse in the future. >> with those last few seconds that we have, shermicheal, what's your final thoughts and i think we could do to remove some of the vitriol moving forward? >> again, i think we live in this viral moment. we move the cameras. you have to remove the politicians ability to look for those viral moments. i think that is incredibly important. i think that is heading in the right direction. i do not think adding seats is a good. thing because of democrats out seats, guess what? republicans are wanting at taxes to. when did it stop? liam east of we can do to remove the viral sensationalism from's remove politicians ability to get viral social moments. >> let's remove some social media out of this as well. that's my vote. i appreciate both of you being in today. shermicheal singleton in danish wallace. thank you for these insights. this is a conversation we

should continue to we have in a positive way. >> thanks a. mark >> tensions over the war in ukraine, maybe moving into orbit? new from russia space drug for just days after he threatened to cut the engines on the international space station. the latest on the showdown in space, and a look at potential american voter bills. next. ls next

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space. ahead of russia's space station, russia is threatening to pull out. could shut off its engines and let it fall to earth. russia oversees the iss orbit in space in a translated version of a translated tweet. -- says that until sanctions against russia are lifted, corporation cannot be restored. -- says it is an empty threat. >> i've been aware have dimitri roe goes his comments for years. and he is often full of hollow threats and bluster. >> all of this comes amid concerns that the u.s. is falling behind in the new space race. the u.s. is still the leader in the field, with both russia and china have invested in massive amounts of money into building their space militaries. now the united states space force is cooler poor increase

in the budget to get a better missile warning system. what does this all mean for national security? let's ask national expert security at the naval war college. what is your read on this threat from the head of russia's space program? they say that the u.s. could actually operate the isis independently if they need. >> good morning, thank you for having. leon i should, say i'm speaking today and it my personal asking as a navy spokesperson. i have to agree with commander. kelly dimitri's spark is worse than russia's bite. rosen is a political protegee of vladimir putin. i think he has been trying to have some tough talk on social media, to try to look at with the boss. i think it is unlikely that russia would actually pull the plug and result in the international space station crashing or having to obey it forever. there is really not much to the russian civilian space program

these days. except the international space station. and i don't think russia is willing to pull the plug and give that up forever. so i don't think that is going to happen. there has been a lot of impact on other russian cooperation. europe has pulled out of a robotic mars probe that they were going to build with the russians. i think you are going to see other international cooperation. but i don't think you are going to see -- i don't think either side is willing to do the nuclear option, so to speak, and how the space station terminated. >> nasa says they are moving forward with business as usual until anything else develops or they are told otherwise. let me ask you what the numbers were comes to the space force? they say that they need over 24 billion dollars for its 2023 budget. that is a 40% increase. it seems like a massive boost and funding. what does this tell you about how the u.s. views are russia and china in space? >> to some extent, the space forces still in the process of

transferring programs from the air force and other parts of -- which were recently created in 2019. some of that budget increase represents not new money, but programs moving over from air force on a trip to space force ownership. that, said there are some areas where space forces are looking to increase funding. we, although we are clearly still the number one power in space, russian and china have been developing capabilities that can threaten u.s. satellites. in space force is particularly interested in two areas of investments. not actually building weapons. really defensively, what we call -- having a better idea of what is going on up there. monitoring chinese and russian and other satellites. and resiliency. meaning, being more able to keep operating in the face of attacks from other countries. satellites becoming more resistant to drumming or cyberattacks. it is steady for on a few very

expensive satellites, we're each one is a very juicy target, trying to be more like the consolation spacex which we are building. having a large number of relatively cheap and expendable satellites, so that we are not so vulnerable to an attack in just a very small number of key assets. >> okay. really quickly, with the last three months that we. have i would like to ask you with the u.s. national security? why would it mean of china and russia's a process in space? >> we are very support depending on space to support our military operations all over the world. so we are really able to take away our military capability in space, that would affect our ability to go through all sorts of military operations here on the ground. >> okay. succinctly. put professor we appreciate you being, and we appreciate your time with us this morning. as you mentioned, you are not speaking on behalf of the naval work haulage, but just your expertise. i could speak for so long with you about this because what we are doing up in space is really fascinating. so, professor david, barack

within evil or, college we appreciate you so. much thank you. starting next saturday, david cain joins us msnbc this other day. she will use her credentials to shed light on how the intersection of, race law, and culture, are all impacting our politics at the local and national levels. the katie fang show will air 7 am and sundays on 7 am eastern beginning next week, here, on msnbc. thank you for watching the last show of msnbc reports at 7 am. i am cori coffin. next door starts right now. arts right now ,. 's been approaching a turning point in this war. and now seems that we are there. i must warn you, this morning show. the topics, the images. the descriptions of what is

happening on the ground here in ukraine, they are graphic. they are disturbing, and difficult to watch. this is not going to be typical sunday morning fair. some of the worst images we have seen so far, from vladimir putin's brutal roy of choice are coming to light today. some of the worst images you may ever see on television. we must watch, we must bear witness, because it is the truth to which we cannot and must not shield arrives. with that warning, let's get to it. ukrainian forces say they have fully liberated areas in towns around kyiv, however any celebration about that liberation is more than overshadowed by what has been discovered in the wake of the russian retreat. while ukrainian flags may fly once again in these towns, they are flying over the bodies of dozens, hundreds, perhaps thousands of dead ukrainian civilians. killed and witnessed by russian troops. for nothing other than being ukrainian.