some kind of an agreement. but we'll want to make sure that we do what we can to help ukraine defend itself going forward, to deter future russian aggression. there are many things that could go into that. >> joining us this hour now, nbc's ali aruezi live for us in lviv. raf sanchez is in budapest. and admiral james stavridis is also with us. what has happened in bucha has been, i think, capturing the world's attention with you heard it there, the outrage from some of the top international leaders on what has happened there. tell me what you're hearing from ukraine and what would happen next. where this goes as the icc is now coming in to investigate, apparently. >> reporter: hi, hallie. after weeks of intense, ferocious fighting around kyiv, the ukrainians say that the russians have made a rapid

retreat and they're in control if all, if not every suburb of kyiv, but the russians have left a scene of utter devastation and carnage behind. the images are distressing to say the least. and if you look at what's happened on the street of bucha, it's littered with burnt out tanks, bodies are strewn on the pavement, in the middle of the street. at least one person appears to have had his hands tied behind his back. you can see all the people that are lying dead on the streets are not wearing military clothes. they don't look like combatants. they don't have arms around them. but as you said, the russians are saying that this is all fake news. that this is all being put together by the ukrainians, but every account we're hearing from people in bucha tells a very

different story. let's take a listen to what one resident of bucha had to say about their experiences there. >> those people were just walking and they shot them without any reason, bang. the next neighborhood, it was even worse. they would shoot without asking any questions. >> reporter: and there's account after account that paints a very similar picture of what the residents in bucha are saying. it is a horrifying picture, and as you mentioned, there has been international condemnation. the british foreign secretary says that these need to be investigated, as a war crime, and that russia can't cynically cover this up with disinformation. but, you know, as they're saying this, hallie, right now, we're seeing attacks in the south of the country, odesa was hit by two missiles this morning. so as we had predicted earlier, as the russians has said

themselves, the emphasis has now shifted from kyiv to further east, to further south. so we may see more of the same in those places. and if they're successful there, if they're not stopped there, they then again focus on places like bucha where these horrifying scenes are unfolding. >> admiral stavridis, i want to go to you to pick up where ali left off. if we can pull up that picture of the map of ukraine, because odesa is strategically significant here. as ali points out, and i think you and i have talked about it on the air, previously for the last couple of weeks, the expectation had been, and i know u.s. defense officials have been watching for russia to start to move in on that city. it appears as though that is starting to happen. talk about the significance of that. >> it's crucial, hallie, because odesa is the lifeline of the ukrainian economy. this is where the ukrainians can export, this is where they can import. it's a big port.

i've been there several times. very capably run by the ukrainians. the russians have kept a fleet of bleak sea navy ships of theirs within striking distance of odesa. and the ukrainians at this point have no real counter to it. what we should be doing, which i think is important, as we look at these horrific images coming up out of bucha, you know, putin is going to go down in history as the bucher of bucha before this is all over. what we should be doing is getting the ukrainians tools that they can use to turn back an amphibious assault. anti-ship-like, but capable cruise missiles to go alongside those javelin anti-tank, those stinger anti-air. ukrainian will need anti-ship missiles quickly. >> admiral, stand by. i'm going back to raf sanchez. the currently prime minister of hupgry facing some scrutiny for

his relationship with vladimir putin at this incredibly precarious and difficult moment. >> reporter: that's right. polls just closed here in hungary a couple of minutes ago. vote counting is underway. we were at a polling station here in central budapest today, hearing from people who were planning to vote for the opposition. and they old us that they were disgusted by victor orban's close relationship with vladimir putin. he's probably the nato leader with the closest ties to the russian president. he was in moscow, just a couple of weeks before the invasion started, but the other big thing we heard from these voters is they felt that democracy itself was at stake in election, take a listen. >> voted for opposition. >> it wasn't a question, really, for many of us, i think, here in hungary, who have been experiencing, well, we can't even believe what we are

experiencing in the past few years. i'm getting emotional, because this whole thing, it's my country, and the way it's going, we don't like it. >> this is the first election where i am going to vote for orban. the opposition has described, is something they absolutely cannot agree with. and i do believe that actually, this is one thing that orban is right about. that they are trying to drag us into a war. and we should not participate. >> reporter: now, hallie, that second voter is really interesting. he had not voted for orban in the past, but he said he's going too today, because he basically bought the prime minister's central argument of his campaign, which is that he is the man to keep hungary out of the fighting next door in ukraine. he said the hungarian opposition are so rabidly pro-nato, pro-western, that they would drag this country into the war. now, the opposition, very strongly denies that. i'll tell you, hallie, turnout does look a little bit lower

this year than it did four years ago. that may be a problem for the opposition and a sign that their voters feel that this is not a real election happening in this authoritarian country. and that their votes won't really count. hallie? >> raf sanchez, we're glad to have you in budapest this afternoon. thank you. raf, how much are you watching how this vote goes down? >> watching very closely. and i know victor orban. i met with him several times when i was supreme commander of allied forces in nato. he's a forceful figure that must be contended with by the opposition. i think, however, as he has been longer and longer in office, there are cracks emerging in his shield wall and i am certain that the people of hungary are going to be examining these issues very closely. the bottom line here, hallie, is that the center of gravity on the western side of this war is the unity of nato.

thus far, it is held together very, very well. we want to avoid any kind of splits, any kind of cracks in our wall, as things go forward. so, yes, we'll be watching this election very closely. >> there's also what we have been talking about here, this discussion as we look ahead to scald peace talks or at least negotiations, i suppose, picking up again tomorrow between ukraine and russia. this back and forth on whether president zelenskyy and vladimir putin are actually close to a face-to-face meeting. the ukrainian side says, hey, we've got the paper work to lay that groundwork. the kremlin says, uh-oh, we're not close to that just yet. how do you see the potential for that moving forward? i know that in some conversations that i've had with other experts in this area, they say, listen, this face-to-face meeting, would obviously be a good thing to happen, but it's probably one of the most important things that needs to happen. we seem to still be a long ways off. >> on this one, follow the money. i mean, the longer this war

drags on, the more the economic sanctions bite putin, the harder it's going to be for him to sustain his forces in the field. you know, war is hell. it's also very expensive. especially if you're the aggressor. so, he will be running out of money, i guess say, over the next month or two in terms of being able to really continue to fight at the level he's done. when he starts to bleed out economically, is when he'll be forced to come to the table. between now and then, hallie, i wouldn't believe a word that's come out of his mouth. he's shown us again and again he's a complete liar along with everybody in his administration. a final thought here by the way. a shout-out to turkey, which is doing great work inside the alliance, strong alliance member. in terms of facilitating those peace talks. sooner or later, this has got to come to a negotiating table. i applaud the turks for taking the first steps. it will be a while before it really lands.

>> when you talk about what's at the negotiating table, we're getting a signal from president zelenskyy on a potential concession as it relates to ukraine's borders. i want to play for you what he just said, actually, just this morning over on "face the nation." watch. >> there should be 100% withdrawal of troops. to their borders that existed prior to the 24th of february, at least. >> so a 100% withdrawal of troops, but to the pre-february 24th, to the pre-invasion borders, tacitly acknowledging the russian takeover of crimea and these russian breakaway regions in the east. >> that is how i read it. and let's face it, both sides are going to come into these dpoerkss, hallie, with the toughest, hardest positions they can take. i think president zelenskyy has already laid out another

potential compromise, which is that he has said that he's willing to consider stepping back from nato membership. perhaps pursuing more of a neutral status with significant security guarantees. the point is, it's going to be a complicated negotiation ping it will take months to work through all of these issues. the key will be to get a cease-fire. then we can start having significant negotiations and try to land this thing.stavridis, is great to see you on a sunday afternoon. thank you for being here. i want to get to an update on breaking news out of sakd sacramento. police are looking for at least one suspect after a mass shooting right in the heart of the city. at least six people have been killed, ten others hurt after the shooting happened around 10:00 a.m. local time out in california. this area has got a bunch of clubs, has some restaurants. detectives are on scene now and they say the investigation could take days. we'll keep our eyes on this and we'll bring you more developments as they happen this afternoon. plus, new fallout from those

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the senate set to vote this week on judge ketanji brown jackson's lifetime appointment to the supreme court, an historic vote that seems all-but-certain at this point to evaluate the first black woman to the high court. democrats seem largely in line with this pick. we haven't seen dissension yet. at least one republican has suggested that he might vote or she will vote for judge jackson. let me play what senator roy blunt had to say just this morning. >> well, i think the lifetime appointments have a different criteria than other appointments. i've supported a significant number of president biden's nominees to offices that will end -- their time will end while he's still in office or when he leaves office. she's certainly qualified. i think she's got a great

personality. i think will be a good colleague on the court. i won't be supporting her, but i'll be joining others in understanding the importance of this moment. >> senator roy blunt there. i want to bring in now paul butler, former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst. paul, good to see you. thanks bring with us. >> i don't think he was on the short, short list of republicans who folks will be watching to potentially come out to support judge jackson. but you heard him say there that he thinks he's a no in his view in meeting the criteria for a lifetime appointment. tell us the way we are seeing the partisan divide play in and out in the appointment of judge jackson? >> given the historic nature of this announcement and because it doesn't change the direction of the court, you might have expected that some republicans wanted to support the first black woman nominated to this exclusive club of 107 white

dudes. thurgood marshall was the first person of color to be a supreme court justice, and he won bipartisan potter, as did sandra day o'connor, the first woman on the court. but despite her extraordinary qualifications, justice jackson will be lucky to get two or three votes from republicans. >> what does that say to you about the way that this confirmation process now in the modern era place out for supreme court justices? >> it suggests that we're going backwards. and this is actually not just politics, because judge jackson isn't going to save a woman's right to choose or affirmative action. the supreme court already has six hard-right conservatives. so on the big hot-button issues, all she's going to be doing is writing a lot of dissenting opinions. hallie, donald trump got three opportunities to stack the court with judicial ideologues who have been waiting for this moment for decades.

so for progressives, it's game over for probably the next ten years. so you really do have to ask why the republicans have attacked judge jackson so harshly when they basically already won the supreme court. >> paul, let me switch gears and ask you about something else, as you put on your legal analyst hat now. that's the fallout from the texts that ginny thomas, the wife of supreme court justice clarence thomas sent to former trump chief of staff, mark meadows, basically pushing him to overturn the legitimate 2020 election. as you know, over the last week, we've seen this ground swell of democrats calling on justice thomas to recruise himself from any future january 6th-related cases. to that note, we heard from senator patrick leahy this morning. here he is. >> obviously, he should recuse himself for just what it would say about the court in a case like this. the -- more and more comes out about january 6th, it goes

beyond being an alice in wonderland. it's crazy, that people are actually thinking that they can set aside an election and she is shown that she fully bought into that. and i think for the integrity of the supreme court, her husband should recuse himself from any cases that involve january 6th. >> congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez and some other progressives have gone further than recusal, suggestion that there might be grounds even for impeachment. they want him to step down. how far would you go on this spectrum? >> we're a long way away from impeachment, but this is a serious problem. not just for justice thomas, but for the integrity and the legitimacy of the court. hallie, it's not just that ginny thomas attended the stop the steal rally. because of her close contacts with the president and his closest advisers with president trump, she's a witness to the

largest federal criminal investigation in american history. she's a board member of a conservative political group that helped rally the troops. she signed this letter, saying that republicans on the january 6th panel should be punished. she was in close contact with trump's key people, as they coordinated their legal strategy to overturn the election. any federal judge other than a supreme court justice is required by law to recuse himself when their spouse has any interest that could be affected by the outcome of a case. justice dlooirnls, he's a walking, talking conflict of interest. wrapped in judicial robes. >> but you said something interesting there, paul. you pointed out, other the supreme court, right? any judge other than a supreme court justice. because there is no -- all the democratic senatos who want to could resign. there is no law that would bind them to do that. it is up to their own

discretion. it's why you're seeing more than a dozen democrats sending this letter to the chief justice. saying, yeah, we want justice thomas to recuse, but also, we want the chief justice to commit to creating a binding code of conduct for the supreme court. they want to hear back from him by the end of the month. talk about how that would play out. one other -- i spoke with a supreme court observer last week over on my show who has suggested that there's been speculation for a while that chief justice roberts might be working on some code of conduct. sweechbt it yet. >> and he doesn't have the authority to impose it on justice thomas. justice thomas basically makes his own rules with regard to recusal. and the there's a separation of powers rule. there's no reason that they shouldn't apply to the supreme court. and this case is a walking, talking example of how that is.

on january 6th when ginny thomas slipped out of the house to go to the stop the steal rally, did she mention to her partner and husband where she was going? they've described each other best friends. at least one of her texts about the insurrection and aftermath refers to her discussing this with her best friend. gee, i wonder who that was. guess what, hallie, the january 6th panel needs to haul ginny thomas in and ask that question. >> paul butler, our msnbc legal analyst. thank you for being with us and sharing you're perspective. appreciate it. the number of refugees of the war in ukraine is closing in on 4.2 million and about half of them are kids. next up, the dangers some of those children are saving in the search for a safe haven. plus, some of those refugees trying to come to the u.s. are hitting a road block that could mess with their american dream. we'll have more after the break. m we'll have more after the break. once upon a time, at the magical everly estate, landscaper larry and his trusty crew...

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as russian forces begin to leave some of the areas near kyiv, you are beginning to see what's left behind, grisly scenes that are adding to these international calls that russia is committing war crimes. these allegations. earlier today, we heard from the ukraine foreign minister, calling on the international criminal court to investigate. with russia perhaps unsurprisably denying any atrocities, calling such reports face. russia's military reportedly focusing on the push in eastern ukraine. richard engel reports from kharkiv, where they're getting ready for more assaults. they are bracing themselves. and some of the images you're about to see are disturbing. >> russian troops have suffered a catastrophic defeat outside of kyiv, pulling back from not just areas around the capital, but the entire province around kyiv. russia says that it pulled back in order to give peace talks a chance and more momentum, but they pulled back under fire. they were forced back.

they had been taking heavy losses from ukrainian troops and suffering many, many casualty. and now that russian troops have left ukrainian towns and cities, troops have been able to go in and see the atrocities that russian forces were carrying out. there have been bodies laying on the ground. many of them appear to have been killed execution style at close range, some with their hands tied behind their backs. some bodies were dumped into quickly dug mass graves, also widespread reports of looting, even rape. and this is consistent with what we have also been hearing in other parts of ukraine, directly from victims of systemic looting and also cases of rape and execution at close range. the -- this now opens up potentially the russians to consolidate their forces here in the east. and that is what russia publicly has said it is going to do.

it's going to fortify positions closer to the russian border, but the ukrainian military are anticipating that. they are preparing that. all right, for the last several days, from this city, we have been hearing nonstop artillery fire going towards russia positions, reinforcements are also hitting here and the ukrainian military want to take advantage of this opportunity, while the russians are readjusting their position, under fire, after having suffered losses, they want to make sure that they suffer similar losses in this part of the country, as well. >> our thanks to richard engel reporting there from eastern ukraine. for the millions of ukrainian people who left their homes, the grueling trip across the border to try to get to safety was just the beginning. now, you're seeing a lot of those refugees struggling to be amongst the 100,000 the u.s. has pledged to take in, but the wait could be up to a year long. nbc's josh letterman has the latest from warsaw, poland. >> reporter: they wait and wait

and wait some more. hoping to be among the 100,000 ukrainian refugees the biden administration has vowed to take in. >> where are you from? >> kyiv. >> reporter: alina and olya are sisters, trying to make it to relatives in new york, after life in a war zone became too much. >> we are sleeping and bombs and bombs and our babies are so small, so we need to woke up them, get dressed, and run to more safe place. >> reporter: the sisters already have u.s. visas, but their 4 and 6-month-old babies do not. the babies' fathers left behind in ukraine. >> if we won't have the babies, we would stay with our husbands. >> we don't want to live without them. >> reporter: everyone in line here has a different story, but they all share one goal. to make it to the united states. what's your biggest fear right now? that my visa will be declined, she says. this is the third day americans anthony and oksanna eric from florida have waited in line,

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we want to get back to that breaking news out of sacramento, california, where at least six people were killed, several others hurt in an early morning shooting. let me bring in scott cohn, who is joining us from the scene now in sacramento. scott, what can you tell us about what we have learned so far today and what we can expect as this investigation continues to unfold? >> reporter: well, the details are coming in very slowly, hallie, what we know is police say they were patrolling this area, where there were a lot of nightclubs and bars, around 2:00 this morning, around the time they closed, they heard the gunshots. they heard the gunfire. and where this club, where we think that it happened is, is just kind of around the corner from here. and there are shell casings right now in the street, as police process that scene and keep us this far away. as you said, six people confirmed dead. we believe ten people injured at area hospitals. and we're waiting to hear more,

as the police and city officials here now appeal to the public for more information and for witnesses about what's going on. but clearly, an incident of violence that started out in a nightclub, at a particularly, you know, tension-filled period of any friday or saturday night, i should say, and the results seem to be tragic right now as we await for more details to come in. >> reporter: nbc's scott cohn live for us there outside the scene in sacramento. scott, thank you. we'll check back in with you later this afternoon. a new warning today about the sticker shock that you may have been feeling if you're doing grocery shopping. it may get even worse especially for the staples in any particular house like eggs and poultry. nbc's jesse kirsch explains why. >> your food is getting more expensive again. >> i have a big family, so, yeah, you feel it, and it's frustrating. >> reporter: u.s. department of

agriculture says grocery prices outpaced overall inflation, notching a bigger month-to-month bump than dining out. >> for two people, it's like you're feeding four or five. >> reporter: and while wages are going up, inflation is moving faster. a growing number of americans struggling to provide for their families. >> i have her and i have a newborn at home, and then the simulac formula, that's a whole another story. it's crazy how they expect for us to feed our babies. >> reporter: a recent survey found about one in five american workers are rung out of money between paychecks. >> food is getting hit more than other products for one simple reason. most of our foods are perishable. >> reporter: the uda expects food prices to go even higher, at least in pardon driven by bird flu, already wiping out more than 22 million birds nationwide this year. eleven states had outbreaks just this week, as some farmers brace for more. >> we're just at the beginning of the migratory season for birds. and so it's likely that we're going to see more cases as we move forward.

>> reporter: the usda predicts data for march will show poultry prices jumped anywhere from 6 to 7% with egg prices going up as much as 3.5%. >> it's kind of scary to think about, it can get worse. this is pretty bad already. >> reporter: supermarket checkout all the more painful, heading into the passover and easter holidays with their big family meals and egg hunts approaching. >> if you do see products on sale, which have become less pervasive than ever before, you know, buy it, stock up. put things in the freezer, because prices are not going to go down. >> nbc's jesse kirsch reporting there. turning back to the war in ukraine. more than 2 million kids displaced inside the country as this invasion by russia continues. i want to bring in now manuel fontaine, emergency director of programs for unicef. mr. fontaine, good to have you back on the show. >> thank you very much. >> you've been working, i know, and your team inside ukraine. can you talk to us a little bit about what you and your folks

have scene on the ground there? >> what we're seeing is those families being displaced, having to leave their homes, their families, their apartments, sometimes their brothers and sisters. so it's particularly difficult and what we're seeing at the same time is a lot of resilience. i mean, really interesting to, amazing, actually, to see doctors shifting their maternity ward into a basement to be able to continue doing their work. unicef estimating more than 2.5 million kids have had to leave their home. can you specifically about the challenges in finding these children, helping these children? >> 2.5 million left their homes

and remain in ukraine and another 2 million have left. it's actually two-thirds that have left their homes. the challenge is some of them live on their own or are hand offered to a neighbor, making sure they're registered, making sure that we know where they are, making sure that we can then link them up with the authorities and the services actually can help them and keep track of them. we're just very worried, of course, of trafficking and other risks for children in situations like that. >> tell me what the thing you most need is, to be able to help those children most urgently? >> one, for the time being, we need better access. we need to be able to go everywhere in the country, so we can go to places where children have actually been under attack for so long, but also, we need the end of hostilities and the end of war. kids need to go back into their life. the longer it lasts, the more difficult it is going to be, the longer the psychology impact is going to be on children. so we're very worried, and that needs to end now. >> you talk about better access with great concern over the last

72 hours, about, for example, the besieged city of mariupol. and humanitarian convoys being able to get in. what areas are you looking to get access to most immediately to be able to help kids and help folks fleeing the violence there. >> clearly that area, that area of mariupol and kharkiv in the south is particularly important. we want to be able to have access. but we want the people that want to leave and decide to leave are able to leave. now we're welcoming some of them and trying to help them, trailer, and try to make sure that they find a location. but we need to be able to access. humanitarian access is nonnegotiable in war. >> do you feel like you're getting the support you need from neighboring governments about putting in place longer-term plans. beyond the immediate triage in the short-term, but longer-term plans about how to help these people who are leaving their homes and leaving their country? >> i think neighboring countries

have shown a great solidarity, to be honest. and are doing their best. it's overwhelming, 4 million people, 2 million people children overnight, pretty much, is overwhelming. what is really important is, again, registering, keeping track of the children, making sure they don't fall pray of trafficking in some cases. so they need to really pull all of those protection services together. but they are doing it. you know, the advantage in a way of this crisis, the good side is that these are countries with capacity that are welcoming those refugees. >> manuel fontaine from unicef, thank you very much for being with us this afternoon. we appreciate your time on this sunday. >> thank you very much. coming up, here on this show. turning back to news out of washington. the republican party main done with madison cawthorne, and it's not just because of allegations that he said about cocaine-fueled sex parties. we're talking about that, coming up. we're talking about that, coming up

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katie phang looking at the intersection of race, law, and culture on politics, on the katie phang show starting right here next weekend on msnbc. back here on this sunday afternoon east coast time, sunday late morning, west coast time. new backlash against madison cawthorn inside his own party. on a podcast, cawthorn is now suggesting or did suggest that some of his d.c. colleagues offered him drugs and invited him to sex parties. that's like a really tame way of talking about what congressman cawthorn did. he was accusing people in washington of inviting him to those coke-fueled orgies, right? he's since tried to distance himself from those commence by blaming democrats for trying to disparage his republican colleagues, but let me bring in now hayes brown, columnist and editor for msnbc daily. hayes, madison cawthorn, let's

talk about him. because youngest person elected to the house that the time that he was sworn in. there was talk around him, hey, he's a rising star. but you recently wrote an article saying that madison cawthorn is run out of chances with the gop. you look at what senator tom tillis is doing, throwing his support behind one of his competitors. >> so madison cawthorn came out of nowhere to take over mark meadows' seat after meadows left. trump backed somewhere else in that primary, but cawthorn managed to win and win in a very comfortable republican state, sending him to congress. and early on, there was talk about him being the republican's answer to aoc. that he would be able to bridge this generational divide and bring new republicans into the party. but since then, the way i look at it is once you're in congress, people tend to be divided into either show horses or workhorses.

he has most definitely not been very active in terms of shaping laws. and there are show horses, people who bring attention t issues, who raise money, who raise their own profile. and nah sense, cawthorn has been kind of middling, at best. he has backed the habit of exaggerating, of fabricating, of lying at times to boost his own image and his own narrative, and i think that's what's coming back to bite him right now. >> talk about the trump factor a little bit, because at his upcoming rally in north carolina, former president has invited congressman cawthorn to be a speaker. >> yeah, and he has trump's endorsement after, you know, not getting it during his first race, that is a factor, but one of the things that we've been watching this cycle is trump has been throwing his support behind people who are not poised to

win. and that has him looking a little bit weaker than he has in the past. now, will trump back getting hawthorne over the edge into the 30% territory that he needs to get through his primary without having to go into a runoff? unclear at this point. it is true that trump is still backing him, but trump also kind of sees where the wind is blowing and if cawthorn looks like he's going down, i'm sure that the former president won't hesitate to cut him loose. >> how significant do you see the support of senator tillis to one of cawthorn's primary challengers in this race? >> i think it's pretty significant in that you don't normally see someone who has been in politics, as long as tillis has, whose name carries -- who has won races of his own statewide, switching and backing a different candidate instead of the incumbent like this. i think it's very disheartening, i'm sure, for cawthorn campaign

to realize that someone with the name recognition of tillis, someone with the resources of tillis that someone who has the pull in the state that cawthorn as a nooby still does not have is backing an opponent. does that matter when it comes to the primary, i don't know. i haven't looked at the polling recently. i don't know if there has been polling since all of this cocaine/orgy stuff started happening in that primary race. but i'm sure that tillis switching to another candidate is not helpful. >> and let's be clear. it's not like a democrat is likely to win cawthorn's district, right? it's a conservative district. the question seems to be more focused on which republican is going to take it. "the new york times" actually went down there, trip gabriel went down to the district, was talking to voters, some of whom had supported cawthorn before, but this idea that he is maybe a little too reckless. this is a word that has come up, seems to be affecting some of these folks. as you know, inside the beltway, we can talk about beltway drama, this, that, and the other. it doesn't matter unless it starts to resonate back home.

>> and according to "the new york times," that is what's happening. one of his supporters pointed not the cocaine/orgy thing, but the fact that just before this, he was arrested for driving with a revoked license, something that he has gotten into trouble with before. one former supporter even said, this is the kind of thing that says that i am above the law and i don't really like or support. so this behavior is a pattern with him. and that's what i think mccarthy was looking at. you've had republicans try to mentor cawthorn on the hill, trying to say, rein it in a little bit, and he's just not listening. he's off doing his own thing. unlike marjoie taylor greene whose endorsement is highly sought after, or even like paul gosar, who like cawthorn attended a white pac, he doesn't

have allies on the hill or anyone back him. and that's part of why he's in so much trouble right now. without the support of mccarthy and the establishment, it's really unclear how well he's going to perform moving forward. >> msnbc's hayes brown, thank you so much for being with us on a sunday afternoon. appreciate you spending part of your day with us. thank you. coming up here on this show at the top of the hour, breaking news on russia's new strike in odesa. plus, what to make about potential peace talks. we've got that in just a second. . we've got that in just a second.

i'm hallie jackson in washington. in for alex witt on this sunday. and we start with breaking news out of sacramento, california, where at least six people were killed and ten others hurt early this morning. right now, police are looking for at least one suspect after the shooting happened right in the heart of the city. you're looking at the scene now. this spot with a bunch of nightclubs, a bunch of restaurants. nbc's scott cohn is on the ground in sacramento. scott, good afternoon to you. >> reporter: hi, hallie. this is only a few blocks away from the state capitol. a lot of clubs and restaurants, one about a block away from here. and this apparently it happened at 2:00 this morning, and nine hours after the fact, we, authorities, more importantly, are still trying to piece a lot

of this together. in fact, the sacramento police department is asking the public for any video, cell phone video, social media video that's been out there that shows some of the gunfire that appears to be at least semiautomatic weapons fire and return fire that happened around the time that the clubs were closing, about 2:00 this afternoon. soon after that, friends and relatives gathered at the scene, obviously distraught. they've now set up a center for them at city hall, not far from here, to try to get them some information, which has been very difficult in coming. what we do know, according to authorities is that six people are confirmed dead. we believe ten people injured, some of them still being treated at area hospitals. and we're waiting for some more official word, as, again, the authorities appeal to the public for information about what it is that happened, what sparked this mass shooting here in the heart of sacramento. >> any idea on when we might get