is calling a massacre. i have to warn you, though, before we show you these images, they are very hard and distressing to look at. on saturday, ukrainian forces marched into that city, celebrating its liberation from russian control. but what they were met with was far from victory. it was horror. here you can see the lifeless bodies of what appears to be civilians strewn out across the street. they plant explosives of the bodies of people killed. tieing a rope to one of the dead and dragging them away. now, the town's mayor says nearly 300 people have been buried in mass graves like the ones shown here. we should note that nbc news has not been able to independently verify these claims. when asked about these atrocities, president volodymyr zelenskyy had a very bunt

answer. >> is this genocide? >> indeed. this is genocide. >> now, human rights watch says it has documented several cases of russian military forces committing war crimes against civilians in occupied areas across ukraine. today its defense ministry actually rejected claims that their forces killed any civilians in bucha. here's secretary of state tony blinken this morning. >> you can't help but see these images as a punch to the gut. we can't normalize this. this is the reality of what's going on every single day as long as russia's brutality against ukraine continues. >> now, we're five weeks into this invasion. five weeks of bearing witness to the destruction of putin's war. last week it was mariupol.

today it is bucha. so i'm asking how many civilians have to die for people to realize this isn't just the same old warfare. these are war crimes and vladimir putin needs to be held accountable. for more than six weeks now, alexi a member of the ukraine kran parliament has been traveling across his county, documents or at least trying to document russia's assault on all of this. earlier today, i had a chance to speak to him from kyiv. thank you so much for joining us this evening. i have been following you on social media and seeing all that you have been posting. i know that you are in kyiv right now. but earlier today you shared a video from the city of bucha showing what appears to be a mass grave. and ukraine's foreign ministry has accused russia of carrying out a massacre in that city. it has requested that the international criminal court visit the scene.

we should note that russia has denied intentionally killing civilians and we at nbc have not independently verified those claims. but i want you as a person on the ground there to tell us what you have witnessed. >> hello. i witnessed really a real massacre in bucha. and i don't know what russian federation is denying because there is so many evidences and there are hundreds living witnesses of what had happened. and number of international journalists, i don't know, dozens of international journalists are working. today i saw them in bucha speaking with people and filming the awful result of this massacre. people -- the bodies of people, killed people are all around, on the streets, in the burn scars.

i saw a burn scar where there was a family of three women, and one of them, her body is still in the car just decapitated. it is so awful. and, once again, it is a number of places near kyiv. it is not only bucha, but a number of places. me personally, i saw it with a burned down child, seven, eight years old probably. i can't explain to you how awful it is. it is a real massacre and russians are guilty of this. this is a war crime and this is a genocide committed just in the middle of europe in the 21st century. we as a country, we invite all journalists throughout the world and including certainly your very respectful tv channel. please come and see everything

by your own eyes. please speak with those people who were under occupation for one month and the suffering they get through. >> you, sir, spent the last six weeks traveling across ukraine. you have been risking your life to document the damage that has been caused by russia's invasion on social media. how does what you have seen just within the last 24 hours compare over the last six weeks? is the situation getting worse in the areas that you are visiting now? >> that would happen there. it happened not yet, not the day before yet. it happened month ago, three weeks ago, during this month of occupation and especially the first days of occupation in the beginning of march. but unfortunately, this genocide is continuing. in mariupol, for example, people are still killed.

i don't know numbers, but there are thousands of civilians killed in mariupol, thousands of them. unfortunately part of mariupol is now occupied by russians and they do not allow us to go there, international journalists. for example, today we received news that lithuania, he was trying to document all of what's happened in mariupol was killed there by russians. so that is really dangerous, and they are doing everything just to interfere these attempts to document what they are doing. but it is impossible to hide because it is about thousands and thousands of people. and putin is using the same tactics he did in syria where he destroyed a number of citizens. which was the capitol of the republic. so it's not -- it's nothing like

completely new. what is new is the scale of this because, you know, this time it is like the scale of second world war and russians are doing and killing like real nazis, like nazis of 21st century. >> what is your message to the international community now based on everything that you have seen, based on the fact that this war is not yet over. what do you want to see happen to save your country and to save the people that are inside? >> first, stop all the business with russian federation because in every drop of russian oil there is ukrainian blood. in every cubic meter of russian gas is ukrainian blood. oil companies which continue to work in russia and pay taxes to their budget, they finance this awful killing of civilians, of women and children in ukraine

and not only in ukraine. that is the first message. the second message is to help us with weapons because russians are continuing to target our object in our country, throughout the whole country. today attacked by 11 ballistic missiles. and maybe russia will tell that it is not russia who is bombing our cities and who is doing this. so the war is not over, but we need weapons to stop russia in the air. we're not only holding the ground, but we are counter attacking and we need today help in air to stop them in air. so please provide us with weapons. we don't ask your pilot. we don't ask your proof. just weapons, air defense and aircraft.

>> all right. a member of the ukrainian parliament, thank you, sir. we continue to follow your work in ukraine. thank you. >> thank you. thank you. all right. let's continue this conversation now with a professor of european security at georgetown university and served as an adviser to the romanian president. she's also a senior fellow at the middle east institute. it is great to have you with us this evening. first i want your reaction to what we're seeing and hearing coming out of bucha. as mentioned there, we have seen this before in places like syria, in chechnia. is this different and can vladimir putin be held accountable for what he is doing? >> thank you for having me here. it is good to be with you. i think it is different in what my ukrainian colleague was saying differently, we haven't

seen the same scale as we do now. we haven't seen that in europe. we haven't seen these atrocities. and what seems to me pretty evident from the videos and the pictures that we're seeing is that this was purposeful. this was an order for the russian troops to kill people in front of their houses so that we see that. and in the russian minds, that is intended to humiliate the west, to show us what they're capable of and to make us fear. and, so, this goes back to the request of ukrainians and international experts to have vladimir putin and his aids put on trial for war crimes. i hope this will be quickened as a process. but the consequences will be minimal because as we know, there is very little chance that

the russians will give up all these people guilty of war crimes to an international court. so i'm afraid with the international system that we have, with the united nations being blocked by russia, as we speak, the consequences in terms of putting them on trial and holding them responsible for the world to see are pretty limited. >> this morning, president volodymyr zelenskyy was asked about security promises made by the u.s. and nato. i want to play that for you. take a listen. >> so we don't believe in papers any longer, so we are very grateful for the support of the united states, indeed, and it's a very powerful support. but in terms of security guarantees, we have not received them yet from anyone. and we have to get them. so i'm not, as a president, satisfied with just assurance.

>> what does ukraine need from the united states? >> indeed it needs security guarantees. you know, this brings me back to when people, not just in ukraine but where i'm from romania or poland or the baltic countries believe that the only power that can actually be able to offer security guarantees in this case to ukraine but also neighboring countries is the united states with its military might, with its liberal democracy. the other allies within nato are allies. and, so, that's what ukraine is seeking. they're asking for nato membership, which we are not ready to grant, just like we weren't in 2008 when france and germany vetoed. so they're asking can we get around this veto and can we have real security guarantees? we have seen just a few days ago the negotiations in turkey with a list of countries as possible

security guarantors and the united states was not on that list. so what i think they're seeking is very reasonable. a major military power that can guarantee their security in case this war ends, in case russia attacks again. and only the united states with its allies can do that. so that's what they're asking for. it seems that we in the west are not yet ready to grant that. but they are in an impasse, so to speak, because they cannot guarantee their own security by themselves. and, so, we're looking at this as a possibly protracted conflict with no real so to speak western outcome for ukraine as the western community is not ready for them to join. we have seen the same case with eu candidacy.

several neighboring countries, eu have asked the eu for candidate status for ukraine and the eu is not ready for that neither. >> so you have spoken out about the west's red lines or lack thereof, if you will, when it comes to this conflict. we have heard criticism that we have boxed ourselves in by saying what we're not willing to do, whether it is impose a flight zone. we have projected what we're not willing to do. what are the dangers of that kind of ambiguity behind saying what we're not willing to do but at the same time saying what we are willing to do in terms of how far we're willing to go? >> yeah. you know that strategy lesson number one for students and beyond, when you were faced with the threat of mass destruction, let's not forget that russia is threatening nato with nuclear warfare every other day. so when we are faced with that as a nuclear power and as a

nuclear alliance, the only one in the world, what we need to do is to keep everything on the table. if we exclude action because they have nuclear weapons, this means that it creates precedence for other nuclear countries that are willing to consider that. russia has had now for over a decade the first use strike, so a preventive strike against conventional warfare exactly to intimidate us to sort of box us in to force us to self-deter. and, so, that means that every time russia is trying to attack a country that is not -- does not have nuclear weapons, we are self-deterring ourselves. if they're moving on nato and are actually dropping a tactical nuclear bomb on nato territory, if we exclude action because they have nukes, that disables us. if china does the same in

taiwan, for instance, this means that we cannot act. so what we need to do is to keep all our options on the table and to say, you cannot threaten us, and you cannot use nuclear power, nuclear weapons to intimidate us and call it a bluff. >> all right. thank you so much. i really appreciate your insights and analysis tonight. >> thank you for having me. how the russian propaganda machine is warping views on ukraine. good evening to you. some stories we're watching this hour. police are searching for the suspects involved in a mass shooting that left six people dead and 12 injured in sacramento, california. authorities saying the gunfire erupted early sunday after a large fire broke out in the city's main entertainment district. at least one handgun was recovered at the scene. southwest airlines stranding

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if you followed american politics over the last few years, you have seen one of the greatest love stories of our time. the devotion that is between russian state media that it has for the trump wing of the gop. but this love fest has actually taken an even darker turn in recent weeks. russian state media has amplified talking points from the likes of tucker carlson who defended putin's brutal invasion of ukraine. this week a russian host called on americans to remove president biden and reinstall their quote, unquote partner, donald trump. joining me now is the founding partner and washington correspondent for puck. and julia davis, a columnist for "the daily beast." great to have both of you with us. let's start by discussing this not so strange relationship of

bedfellows between russian state media and its apparatus and trump's faction of the gop because for years fox news personalities have actually echoed kremlin talking points and russian media offered trump this glowing coverage. how has that dynamic evolved during putin's war in ukraine as russia escalates its barbaric tactics. >> thank you for having me, ayman. i don't want to watch fox news but i'm forced to watch fox news because not a day goes by without clips of tucker carlson being showcased by the russian state television and the state prop began diss have actually remarked that it is unfortunate they are lost rt, which has been canceled by many of our cable network providers, but they are also adding at least we still have tucker. putin values unity for his society and for his nation, but

for us he wants the opposite. and those divisions are being amplified by tucker's coverage, who was actually choosing to side with putin and inviting guests that are claiming that russia is winning the war in ukraine, that russia is winning in terms of our sanctions that we're imposing and those comments go like hot takes on russian state television. they're constantly broadcasting them. and tucker is doing rt's work for them. >> julia, how strong is russia's internal disinformation campaign? we know they put strict requirements on what can be reported back to russia. this week two incredulously shared poll results from a russian polling firm that showed putin's approval has actually increased to 83%, up from 69% in january. is russian state media here behind this surge in popularity

or are we right to be do you know rouse or is there a rally mind the flag moment with russia because it is involved in a war? >> i think there is probably several things going on. first of all, russian pollsters from that same center have told me that they experienced something similar in 2014 when russia first invaded ukraine, which was that there was so much prop in the russian propaganda machine that when pollsters called people, people who did not agree with the russian government's action would kind of duck out of the polls and decline to participate. but the people who were in favor were enthusiastic participants because they knew that their line was supported and in sync with the kremlin line. so they got a skewing in the kind of sampling pool. it is also, you know, when you now face up to 15 years in jail for spreading, quote, unquote

fakes about the war, people are obviously hesitant. over the weekend, we saw a horrible story come out of russia where an eighth grade teacher basically explained, you know, the difference between right and wrong and why russia was being hit with sanctions for this war about what russia was actually doing for this war. and her students, her eighth grade students, recorded her, turned her in to the police. the student is -- the teacher is now under arrest and facing up to ten years in jail. so, you know, on one hand, yes, the propaganda machine is working in overdrive and has been for several months. and it is drowning out anybody who might be in disagreement. on the other hand, it's also clearly working. >> julia davis, perhaps the flip side of putin's propaganda machine is that he's often totally out of the loop from what's going on in the real world. a few weeks back brian klass

wrote "the dictator trap" detailing how dictators employ strategies that result in their eventual down fall. putin should now be aware that he's gotten too high on his own propaganda supply. how can this change his calculus going forward? >> it was very important that the biden administration put him on a hot seat by stating openly that he's probably not receiving all of the information about how poorly russia is doing militarily in ukraine. and now that would prompt him to start asking questions and hopefully start to develop more realistic view of what is going on in ukraine. but unfortunately on the flip side of that, their propaganda has been so effective in getting the russians excited about this war that now the entire propaganda apparatus is urging him to keep going until he gets

all of ukraine. so it will be interesting to see what happens. >> julia, i hope you haven't seen the absolutely horrific images out of bucha today, but i imagine by now you probably have just as somebody who tracks this story very closely. is this part of putin's play book, do you think he's ordering his soldiers to commit such evil war crimes as they're retreating? if so, what does it say about his psychology and the psychology of the russian troops that are carrying these war crimes on their way out. >> just coming out from bucha and being in the other cities and towns around kyiv and the kyiv region are just absolutely horrifying and they still remind -- and it reminds me as it reminded many people of the war crimes that russia committed

in chechnia to much less outcry and the war crimes russia aided and abetted in syria. and i think -- and we're seeing similar news come out of the south and east of ukraine from areas that russia has occupied with kidnapping mayors and city officials who don't want to cooperate with the russians, kidnapping activists and journalists, having military track -- trying to track down journalists. it was what we all feared would happen when the russian army inevitably ran into popular resistance in ukraine, that they would resort to ruling by terror the same way they did in chechnia and syria. and it seems to be the only thing they know how to do as one of my friend and colleagues who was a long-time reporter in this region said, i guess some people just don't want to be liberated.

>> julia davis, really quickly, you'd have to wonder because propaganda is such a major part of the way vladimir putin operates both internally and externally, you would have to wonder whether or not these images and this atrocity was more for the world to see what russia did to ukraine as opposed to actually trying to force ukraine into surrender or submission. do you see it that way at all or am i completely off base knowing that these images would shock and strike horror in the west? >> on april the 1st, the russian forces were still talking about gaining the foothold and staying in that region. so i think them retreating came by surprise and maybe they weren't prepared with concealment of those bodies. they're certainly trying to deny those atrocities even happened or trying to blame the ukrainians for them, the same way the russian state media has

been claiming that ukrainians are bombing themselves, they have also claimed that the ukrainians are responsible for those atrocities, if they're even real. they're also alleging that might be all done with crisis actors and stage for the western media. so i don't think that they wanted those images getting out at all. but they are definitely trying to spin it as a total fabrication. and in their state media, they're arguing for the complete destruction of the ukrainian nationality and ukraine as a country. so i think that atrocities were permitted by their commanding officers and like julia said, it's nothing new. that's what russia did in syria, in chechnia and that's unfortunately what they're known for. >> all right, thank you to the both of you. greatly appreciated your insights and analysis this evening. thanks for joining us. still ahead, i will speak to a congressman about his policy

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me of my own family, the stories that my family told me about hiding from -- from germans and nazis in world war ii and, you know, we're seeing scenes that we -- we thought at least in europe had been managed forever. and obviously they were not. so now we've got to do something about it. and i'm proud that my country is helping the ukrainians fight this fight and ultimately win this fight. but i'm also thinking about what happens after the fighting is over and hopefully the russians are driven out of ukraine. we're going to have some choices to make about the sanctions that we have imposed and what to do with the assets, the hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars of russian assets that we have -- that we have frozen. and i'm just asking the simple question: can you imagine after

all the harm that has been done that we would send russia's wealth back to putin just for a cease fire? >> right. >> i can't imagine that. not with ukraine laying in ruins. >> yeah. and you bring up a good point because your proposed legislation would see certain russian assets valued over $5 million and redirect the funds to aid the ukrainian people. tell me how that would work and how that would turn putin's assets against him. are you worried it may face legal challenges in the united states by these oligarchs? >> well, it isn't legal now. that's why we're trying to make it legal, by passing this bipartisan bill. we'll have a vote on it in the foreign affairs committee in the house this week. there is a bipartisan version of this bill that's been introduced in the snooth as well. under current law and i think a lot of folks don't understand this. we can block and freeze these

assets, but we can't seize them. and i think under these extraordinary circumstances, this is an appropriate measure. it would bring some measure of justices. the resources would be valuable. a $600 million yacht with pay for a lot of shattered apartment buildings and schools and apartments in ukraine. we will need those resources. again, i can't imagine anybody at this point being comfortable with just returning this immense wealth to putin. and, remember, it belongs to him, not to the oligarchs in a real sense, returning that wealth to putin. >> right, right. >> while ukraine lays in smolderingruins. >> people made the point that he has given them that wealth and they would say they are beholden to him and their assets to

putin. i know fear is rising another potential iron curtain could lead to a brain drain from that country. obviously people are risking their lives to oppose vladimir putin. a quarter million have already fled their country by some estimates. you have been encouraging the biden administration to accept these russian refugees which you call the best and brightest people in russia. you believe it is in our national interest to, quote, make putin's loss our gain. is that another way the u.s. could turn putin's assets against him? and are you getting some traction on that? do you believe the administration and others in congress would welcome the idea of having these russians leaving their country come to the u.s.? >> i believe so, yes. and, look, we have to take care of the ukrainian refugees first. but most of the ukrainians who are fleeing their country right now are women and children whose male relatives are still home fighting in ukraine. most of them want to go back.

and our policy is designed to help them go back by helping the ukrainian military win this fight. the tens of thousands of russians who are fleeing putin's totalitarianism, people like that schoolteacher that you heard julia mention, people who are telling the truth, who are resisting and just cannot imagine living in this totalitarian distaupe yeah for the next 10 or 20 years, they are looking for permanent resettlement somewhere. they are teachers. they are scientists. they are computer programmers. they are inventors. they are entrepreneurs. we would be lucky to have them in the united states just as we were lucky to have refugees from communism and naziism. they will do great things for america, help us grow stronger in our competition with china over the next 50 years.

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and no preservatives. try biotrue! one or two senate republicans supporting judgejac should hardly count as bipartisanship or risk taking especially when a poll out this week shows two-thirds of americans support her confirmation. joining me, judith brown. great to have you with us. i want to start with you, if i may. the majority of americans. if the majority of americans actually approve of jackson's nomination, why does it hurt republicans to oppose her? >> that's a very good question. but i think it's obvious, you know, republicans, everything they have done, and they did during the hearings, was about playing to their base.

even though they have said time and time again that she is qualified to be on the supreme court, no less than mitch mcconnell has said that, ben sasse said her credentials were impeccable. it's playing to the base. yes, the biden administration wants to say this was a bipartisan vote, even if that only means they were able to siphon off one republican from the gop clown car. what they should really be stressing is that they were not able to get out of their own way long enough to support the his toric confirmation of this highly qualified and deserving woman, not that they get off the bipartisanship hook because one senator supported her. >> clown car is a good way to describe it.

susan collins is the only republican who has officially said she will vote to confirm jackson. are you surprised mitt romney or lisa murkowski are touted as moderate republicans. we heard a word salad that this would be a good time to have a black woman supreme court justice, but at the same time, he's not going to support her. >> it's disappointing especially that the two of them would not get on board and support her. but, as renee said, this is not surprising, right. this is about midterms and 2024. they have talked about critical race theory. they have made her soft on crime. they've been playing to the qanon crowd about these issues about whether she was soft on child pornography prosecutions. so this is not about whether or

not she is qualified to them. this is about dig in to this base, they don't care how crazy it is. and they don't care if they're like bull connor standing in the door making sure that progress doesn't happen. i'm glad that the polls show something different, that it shows that americans think she is qualified and should move forward and be on the court. i hope people see what this is really about and that republicans decide they're going all in on partisanship and not thinking about what is best for the country. >> judith, let me follow up on that for a moment, because bloomberg called justice steven breyer's confirmation a relic of the past. it certainly seems that, i don't think of any way we can get that kind of bipartisanship today.

what would have to change in american politics for us to see that kind of bipartisan confirmation like justice breyer got. >> we are such a divided country. this country continues to use race as one of the wedge issues. the economy. and now we have disinformation that has entered into the scene, right, where we are seeing people take sides, based on baseless information that they're getting off of websites. and so the qanon crowd, there's no way they're coming back. they're in ufo land. so we really do need, i think we could have a series of conversations on this one. i don't think i have an immediate answer to that. >> yeah, i was going to say,

unfortunately, we probably don't have more than a couple minutes left to try to tackle some of these issues, renee, i do want to ask you about something else, that i opened the show with, donald trump thinks hillary clinton should be prosecuted and wants merrick garland to take decisive option. what is, in your opinion, stopping garland from taking decisive action and will this new reporting perhaps nudge him a little bit? >> you know, if the evidence that keeps coming out about january 6 and the conspiracists isn't nudging him, i don't know what will at this point. president biden is right. what is merrick garland waiting for? this is his job. he is the attorney general. there's a sense of all this motion happening around him, and he's not getting the urgency of the moment. i understand that he doesn't

want everything to be politicized. this isn't about a politicized issue. this is about democracy, the foundations on which this country is built. and it is his job to go after the people who tried to overturn a fair and legal election. and there's no indication, unless he's really doing it on the sly, and we're just not privy to it, that he's actually doing that, and that will be a tragedy if he does not do what he, what his power also allow allows him to do. >> he might be the last of this country holding donald trump accountable. because if republicans take control and shut down the january 6 investigation, we may never get to what's behind it. thank you at home for making time for us. you can catch ayman every friday on peacock at 7:00 eastern. saturdays at 8:00 and sundays at

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hello, everyone. i'm alicia menendez. ahead this hour, this is genocide, those words from ukraine's president after images show the horror inflicted on civilians and putin's