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accountability must be inevitable. >> moments after president zelenskyy's powerful comments, russia's permanent representative to the united nations calling zelenskyy's claims against the russian military ungrounded accusations. before leaving for brussels, secretary of state blinken speaking about the war crimes in bucha. >> what we've seen is not the random act of a rogue unit. it's a deliberate campaign to kill, to torture, to rape, to commit atrocities. >> on capitol hill joint chiefs chairman, general milley and defense secretary lloyd austin giving their assessments of russia's military missteps in ukraine. >> just because you have the capability, it doesn't mean you're going to overwhelm another force easily. russians had -- have significant mechanized capability.

but as you look at the techniques and tactics, procedures they used, they were not very effective. >> and the senate is on track to confirm judge ketanji brown jackson to the supreme court. as early as thursday or friday with the razor thin democratic majority boosted by support for judge jackson from three republicans, susan collins, lisa murkowski and mitt romney. we begin where the chief foreign correspondent surveyed some of the devastation himself earlier today. >> this is just one of many houses in bucha destroyed by russian soldiers and they didn't just bomb this house. this was the house where she lived with her husband and the father. after russian troops shelled the house, the family came rushing out and they found the russian soldiers here. they started to talk to him and

brought him down this street and they put him on his knees. she was just coming out of the door. and she was able to see the russians executing her husband while he was on his knees and there's still some of the blood here on the pavement. the body was taken away. and this family's story is typical of other families' experiences in bucha. they say russian soldiers were going house to house, carrying out executions. bodies found with hands tied behind their back. because of the violence, because russian troops were patrolling, he wasn't even able tacollect his body. now, it has been brought away by ukrainian authorities. they've brought away so many bodies from here and still looking for more. as russian troops pull back from areas like bucha, more and more evidence of their atrocities is emerging. >> and richard engel joins us now, back in kyiv. richard, your testimony, your

eye-witness testimony and the video that zelenskyy forwarded to the united nations. they then played it after the speech is so graphic and so personal and human, it makes ludicrous russia's denials on the world stage. >> reporter: absolutely ludicrous. and this was not just one case. to follow up with what we were just talking about erena. we were in her home. she was there. she walked us through exactly what happened. she was standing there watching as russian troops shot her husband dead. she described exactly where they put the gun next to his head and how part of his skull came off and then the russian soldier started yelling at her because she went to them and said shoot me too. you've left me with nothing. shoot me as well. kill me too. she pleaded with them three times to kill her as well. they didn't.

instead they were screaming at her saying that she and all the other people in the town were nazis; that they deserved what they were getting; that they were a threat to russia. echoing the same dangerous propaganda we're hearing from russia, from vladimir putin himself. it is irrefutable. we saw the blood. we met the fam ela. we went to other houses. and we met another woman who described how russian troops would bang on the dares, going from apartment to apartment. look for people, primarily for young people. and if anyone talked back or they didn't like the look that they were being given, they would shoot them and shoot them on the spot. and other witnesses, and this is a third account, described how russian forces were just driving down the center of the street, opening fire left and right at buildings they passed. so, to describe this as a made-up incident or the actions

of a few individuals is also not consistent at all with what we're seeing and hearing. it seems like it was nan tire division or unit that was under orders to kill anyone they felt like, to teach these people a lesson, to show them how tough russian troops were because these russian troops were there for a long time. they were under heavy fire. they were losing the battle and presumably they were nervous about their performance. so, they were just killing anyone that they came into contact with. and unfortunately, as zelenskyy was telling the united nations, this is not an isolated incident. i think there's going to bow more buchas. we're going to discover more towns and villages where this is happening. and bucha has about 40,000 people in it. imagine what's happening in

mariupol, which has 10 times the population and been sealed off and attacked for even longer. >> and richard, just to bring home your point, secretary of state blinken, before he left washington at andrews joint base said this is not a rogue unit. this is a systematic policy of torture and terror. thank you so much for your reporting. makes it all so personal and graphic. yes, richard. >> reporter: no, i was saying in military unit, it's all about the command. all goes down from the colonel or the general, whoever it was the top officer in that area. and it very much seemed to me that the commanding officer there gave some sort of orders that they had the discretion to do whatever they wanted and they were stealing and there were members of the juriy accounts of soldiers, not only shooting

people in their homes but killing the people and taking everything they had, including the appliances. >> richard engel, back in kyiv after being in bucha today. thank you so much. and joining us now is ocsauna, ukraine's ambassador to the united nations. thank you for being with us. i know you saw president zelenskyy today at the united nations, basically telling the u.n. what is your purpose? you were created in san francisco to have peace and security and if russia has a veto, you have to either kick russia out of the security council or change the rules or create a new world's order. order to provide security. do i have that right? >> and thank you for all your brave correspondence in kyiv and all the places. it's a brave and very honorable work to show the truth right now. you got it absolutely right.

this is what my president said. in his historic speech to the u.n. what we saw is not a rogue unit. it's a rogue country. russia is acting as a rogue country. it's everywhere in ukraine. the question is we're very grateful for all 141 countries that condemned russia at the beginning of the war. everyone sees what's going on. everyone see what russia is doing and everyone see it's a threat, not threat only to ukraine but threat for democracy, for peace, threat for food security, threat for globally for the world and the question is what are we able to do as the u.n.? what are we able to do in this situation and if we don't, it's time to reform. and this has been said clearly by my president. >> i want to ask you about the sanctions because tony blinken is flying here right now. they're announcing new sanctions

by the u.s., by the e.u., banning the import of coal, for instance. but they are not banning oil and gas. and you've got india and china still buying russian oil and natural gas. and making up what europe isn't buying and you've got saudi arabia, the uae cooperating with russia in opec. what do you see the purpose of sanctions? is it going to stop putin? >> well, sanctions are a mesher to stop putin but also a punishment for what russian federation is doing. i think we will get to the point what everyone will introduce all sanctions. the question is we have to realize the situation is black and white. and the choices between values and principals and some laws of money. and i want to show the u.s. as a great example. because the embargo on oil and

gas and energy resources was not easy for the u.s. either. but american people clearly said that they are about values and principals. so, i don't think, at this point, the discussions should be what is the timeline of rolling out the sanctions? but we essentially have to all come together as civilized countries and answer the questions. are we ready to walk the walk? are we ready to implement all the sanctions? how many people have to die for all russian banks to be sanctioned. out of 330, only less than ten are under food and sanctions were disconnected or added to the european union. so, our position and our ask and to all of our friends and allies, give us all the weapons so we can stop this pure evil while it's only in ukraine. but also provide all the

sanctions. do not finance this war machine that kills people, rapes, torture, kill, you know, innocent civilians, as we see everywhere. one of the streets you're showing on the tv is the street i used on a daily basis to take my kids to school in bucha. it's unbelievable and i think the world has to respond. because if we do not respond to this, this bucha will happen everywhere, not only in ukraine but elsewhere. russia has to be stopped. >> let me ask you about any kind of negotiations for a ceasefire for a peace deal. given what's happened in bucha and we don't know what's happening in mariupol and elsewhere as you point out. how can you agree to anything with vladimir putin? how can you trust any kind of

agreement? i know you've called -- zelenskyy has called for guarantee ors from other countries but my reporting is countries are very reluctant to be the guarantors. which might involve boots on the ground. >> russia attacked us in 2014 and illegally annexed crimea and donbas in 2015. and even though we have the legal rights to retake them, we never planned military offensive and always pushed for diplomatic solutions. when russia attacks and invades us now, and of course, we unfortunately know that everything that happens in mariupol is horrible. we see it and we all will be witnessing and we'll take everyone accountable. but every war has to end and as we said from the beginning, even though this is a pure evil, but

we are ready to negotiate. now, negotiation doesn't mean we're ready to surrender, ready to give up on what our red line, our territorial integrity, our sovereignty. and yes, we're looking for great assistance from all of our friends and allies to help us to do so. help us to fight. and also help us to get into a fair peace for ukraine and to get guarantees. which would be different from assurances we have received in 1994, when ukraine, as the only country that voluntarily retrieved the third largest nuclear arsenal we used to have after the collapse of the soviet union in exchange of this assurances. so, it's all interrelated. >> what about getting the switch

blade drones? what about getting tanks? better antitank weapons, better antiaircraft weapons? are you beginning to see the weapons that the u.s. says they're delivering? >> well, look, we need all the weapons. and we're very grateful to the u.s. for everything u.s. has been providing us to date. but the time right flow all of our partners and the united states to provide us with everything. i mean, i think it's clear that, a, we can win, and ukrainians have shown during the 41 days that not only russia happened but that we are very capable, very motivated. we're defending our homes. so, we will win this. and we would like all of our friends and allies to help us to win it faster so that we will have less bucha, less mariupol

so that we can quickly -- or quicker liberate our homes and towns and our ukrainians who are suffering right now immensely under the occupation of the brutal war criminals that are on our sovereign territory today killing our children. so, all the weapons and our friends and allies know what we need. and we're in very detailed and direct discussions with them. >> do you think vladimir putin will ever stand trial for war crimes? >> well, i think this is a very important question for all of us, globally. if you can do what russians did in ukraine and not be held accountable for it, then the full international law is law does not work. that's why ukraine has triggered all the mechanism instruments.

that's why we have all the criminal charges and cases open by our general prosecutor in ukraine. that's why we're grateful for other ten countries that already opened their national investigations. we believe everyone, from president putin to everyone around him, to every person that is responsible for either on the ground or in russia or kept silent, all of them will be brought to justice. we're positive it will be done. you cannot, in the 21st century, to see all of us it, to report all of it, have witness statements and video proof of everything and just let it go. >> oksana, ukraine's ambassador to the united states, thank you very much for being here with us today. >> thank you very much, andrea. thank you. and strategic arms.

as the world reels from the horrors in bucha. what is being done to strengthsen strengthen ukraine's military for the long fight ahead. military for the long fight ahead.

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secretary of state tony blinken is on his way to meet with european allies on how to punish russia for the war crimes in ukraine.

he talked about holding russia accountable for the atrocities in bucha. >> one day or another there's account lkt for those who committed the acts and those who ordered them. we anticipated if it went forward, there would be atrocities committed. there's an important work to put the evidence together. >> join us, welcome both. let's talk about the speech to the united nations. he really challenged the whole world order. the post world war ii world order as it is being played out in ukraine, with russia as a permanent member of the security council, did he not? >> he did and it's totally

understandable why he did. the world order is not an order. and it is failing him. the united nations as an institution is failing him and failing us all. the problem is the united nations was created as a venue where the great powers of the day would come together. not meant to be used by one great power against another. it has no real capacity, other than what the great powers agree to do. again, the speech was understandable but i'll be brutally honest with you, it's not going to make a difference in terms of the u.n. it's not going to help what the president obviously wants, which is an end to this war and obviously no russian military escalation. it simply won't effect the basic dynamics. >> and richard and ambassador mcfall, i want to share withia that i'm told that joint chiefs chairman, mark milley just told

the house arms services committee that when they're talking about a protracted war, it was suggested by jake sullivan yesterday at the white house briefing that we're talking about months. mark milley said in years, if not decades, i believe. he doesn't know about decades is what he said, actually. we're talking about years and i don't know -- mike mcfall, how it will be possible for ukraine to hold up under the kind of brutal aggression that russia has displayed. for years. >> secretary of blinken coming past you there? or just fire engines? >> no, that's just other motorcades. a lot of people are arriving here for meetings tomorrow. i mean, how can this go on for

years? >> i think we as outsiders were watching the heroic events, truly heroic and witnessing truly horrific killings around kyiv. i think that's on purpose. i think putin wants us to know what a killer he is as a method of deterrent. but i think we also need to be aware that the russians have a lot of capacity to fight. even if they've lost the numbers the ukrainians claim, that means 80% of their forces are available. they're redeploying to donbas. it's obvious that's the next front of this war and that could be a protracted war for months, if not years. putin wants to connect crimea to donbas, capturing mariupol and connecting and maybe beginning

to negotiate but maybe starting to move against in kharkiv and i think it's too early to assume we're in the end game of the horrible, protracted war. >> i take your assessment that we should not be misguided or fooled by the ukrainian success in holding kyiv and the appalling russian ground war because they have so much power from the air and from long-range artillery. so, what more can blinken do here in brussels with the europeans if they're not going to do oil and gas sanctions. they did coal, which is not the main act for russia in terms of exports. what can sanctions do to slow putin down? inflict more pain. >> the one sanction is the one not in play, which is to

significantly accelerate the europeans stopping their imports of, in particular, gas and continue to strengthen the nato. but there's nothing, at the moment we can do, other than -- and i go back to what you were talking about with mike and general milley was talking about. talk to people about being prepared for a war measured in months or years and i think it's highly likely for vladimir putin. it's less risky for him to sustain a war than accept a peace that might make him look weak or like he failed. and he doesn't think the sanctions are coming off regardless. everyone's talking about him being a war criminal. his incentive, esit's not as though he or the country are are going to break out of pariah status. the most likely scenario becomes an open-ended war of atrition, another frozen conflict in the center of europe. we need to gear our strategy of

what will it require to sustain ukraine over such a trajectory? that ought to be the question that secretary blinken begins to talk about with his counterparts. >> and mike mcfall, is there any chance that the other powers are going to agree to be guarentors, which means boots on the ground. >> possibly, that's right. the way i understand negotiations, including ones not formal but informal proposals. president zelenskyy's been very forward and innovative and i would say creative in two major ways. one, he talked about neutrality or security guarantee of the u.n. security council and a few other members. poland, turkey and israel, i think is still on the list. that is a very hard thing.

what does that mean in reality? how is that different than budapest? but they are confident they could get the russians to agree because it would be a victory for vladimirputen to get neutrality. zelenskyy and other ukrainian officials have hinted that they are prepared to agree to disagree about where the borders are and only unify through peaceful means. unfortunately, we don't know what putin thinks of that idea yet. >> well, that is down the road because after bucha, it's going to be quite a while -- we don't even know what's going on in mariupol, of course. a while before they're going to be at the table really talking. thank you both. and all in the family. former presidential advisor and first daughter, ivanka trump, expected to speak to the january 6th committee later today.

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pivotal to the committee. she, unlike any other witness the committee has or will talk to would understand donald trump's state of mind on january 6th, on the days leading up to it and even after the fact. are we know from open source reporting to secure this testimony that they're very interested in efforts ivanka apparently made on the 6th to try to intervene with her father to call off the attack, to get him to say something in public to get it to stop. so, she could be critical in filling in that gap that we know about from the president's schedule on that day and if the testimony of her husband, jared kushner, just last week and went nearly seven hours, is any indication, it is possible that the committee could get some valuable information out of her. >> and i want to turn now to -- of course, other action on capitol hill because supreme court nominee, ketanji brown

jackson two more republicans, a total of three and you talked to one of them today, mitt romney. >> reporter: last night was really interesting. this procedural vote to start moving the nomination forward ended up turning up two more republican votes in judge jackson's favor. lisa murkowski of alaska, who had voted for judge jackson in the past and mitt romney, who hadn't. i have a chance to ask him this morning about his thought process and what changed to get him to yes on judge jackson this time around. here's what he told me. >> yeah, in the prior conformation, i was concerned she was outside the mainstream and as a result of our meeting for an hour together and reviewing her testimony before congress, i became convinced she's within the mainstream. she's also highly qualified, intelligent, a capable person and i wish her the very best. >> reporter: you hear again the importance of the personal meetings. romney said he, like collins and

murkowski, is concerned the nomination hearings are getting more and more politicized to the point it mightby impossible for one party's nominee to be confirmed by a senate controlled by another party in the future. certainly something a lot of folks are concerned about. >> indeed. thanks so much. and in the next hour, former president obama is going to return to the white house for the first time since he left office to deliver remarks about the affordable care act, other wise known as obamacare, something said passing was, quote, a bfd, back in 2010. well, joining me now, nbc chief white house correspondent and "weekend day" cohost, peter alexander. frumt from the bfd moment to today, what do we expect to hear?

>> reporter: we can't tell you if the former president has arrived. he's scheduled to have lunch with president biden before they make the announcement, share the stage together, effectively in the east room. it is a significant one. a bfd, as the vice president might have said 12 years ago. the two are obviously trying to give a jolt to the domestic agenda of president biden right now. it comes obviously amid low approval ratings for the president. real challenges. as relates to the midterms and a desire among many democrats to reenergize their party. specifically focusing on the affordable care act, obamacare when he served for eight years. this will be his first time at the white house since leaving office and today the president is going to announce what is a new federal regulation that would go in a place at the beginning of next year to address what's called the family

glitch, the new federal regulation to allow families paying more than 10% of income on health insurance to receive financial help. that could provide insurance to about 200,000 uninsured people right now, give them the opportunity to gain coverage. and nearly a million americans will receive more affordable coverage. and the president is going to announce an executive order to strengthen access. but again, the back drop to all of this is the challenges, particularly domestically president biden is facing. americans saying while the war has garnered tremendous headlines and been an awful story line that this administration has been dealing with, americans, by and large, want the president to focus on pocket book issues. inflation, the cost of living and that, for them, is a top priority. >> and peter, i want to turn quickly to ukraine. we know that president biden is facing growing pressure to do more. what are the next steps, do you

think, in terms of sanctions from the white house? >> reporter: i'm hearing from multiple sources familiar with the matter in the last five minutes now telling my colleagues, carol lee, kristen welker and myself that tomorrow, the u.s. will announceb win unjunction with the g 7 and eu, an additional sweeping package of sanction measures that will impose significant cost in the words on sources of russia and send it further down the road of technological isolation. these sources say it will include a ban on all new investment in russia, as well as increase sanctions on financial institutions and state-owned enterprises in russia and separately sanctions on russian government officials and their family members. this is something, as we understand it, has been in the works by this administration, by this white house to further impact and isolate vladimir putin and the russian government. the president has said that, as

a function of what we saw take place, that is more evidence of war crimes there. this does not appear to be a direct response to that. we heard from jake sullivan just yesterday in a briefing room, saying they continue to work on ways that they will respond but this appears to bethe next in line of a long line of sanctions from this administration and their effort to further crackdown on vladimir putin. >> well, peter alexander, thanks to you and the rest of the white house team. thanks for that reporting. when we come back, survival story. after the nightmares inside bucha and other ukrainian towns and cities, they manage to escape to safety in poland. describing what they saw first-hand for the rest of the world to see. you're watching a special edition of "andrea mitchell reports" and we're live in brussels on msnbc. reports" and we're live in brussels on msnbc.

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a ukrainians fleeing to poland are describing the horrors they witnessed themselves in bucha. sasha burns joins us from southeast poland where she's been speaking to refugees. you spoke to several women who escaped from bucha and some a week ago. what are they telling you? >> many of those fleeing ukraine come to this train station near the border. still every day more children, more families coming and seeking safety and every day more heartbreaking stories come through this train station. but right mow some of the most horrific tales are out of bucha. i met two sisters from that region who just arrived to safety a week ago. and they shivered while they told me what they experienced. i want you to hear just a little bit of my conversation with ena.

>> translator: we were in a place which was relatively safer. but we still saw children who were witnessing rockets, military aircraft and they were suffering. you could see that. my child is afraid and wants to hide. every time she sees and hears something bad, it's so -- i'm so sorry my children know how it looks like and sounds like, the war. children who did not survive, i can't stop thinking about them. there's so many of them. >> reporter: since they arrived here, they've been hearing from their family members about other people they know who have been killed. ena has a neighbor whose son was shot. she says, along with 20 other people.

they were killed while hiding in a church. these are the kinds of stories that refugees from bucha are bringing and telling us in poland. andrea. >> and what's going to happen to these women? have they found placement? are they going beyond poland? staying there? what is their future? >> reporter: they're waiting right now. they are part of the homes for ukrainians program in the u.k. so, they have a family, they have a home that's going to host them but they're waiting on visas. they're staying at a refugee center near the border, just waiting on that paper drz work. they say they want to go home. this is what we hear from every refugee. but they don't know when that will be possible and they're terrified of what their home town will look like when they do return, andrea. >> dasha burns, thank you so much for all your reporting there.

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the humanitarian crisis in ukraine is staggering. more than 4.2 million people have fled the country, thousands more are trapped unable to leetch. one american group of former military veterans is helping evacuate ukrainians and providing medical care. joining us now is burke bryant, the president and ceo of the nonprofit heart that stands for humanitarian aid and rescue project. he's a navy veteran. it's good to meet you virtually. i know you were in kyiv today, but you were just in bucha a couple days ago. tell us what your team found there. >> yes, ma'am. bucha is nothing less than a complete atrocity. i've never, to be honest, seen anything like it. it was as if every residential home, commercial home, hospital, car was either shelled or blown up. it was a terrible place to see and witness, and there's no question about the war crimes taking place right now.

there were snipers up in tall towers. you could see where they were at. they were just shooting innocent people running through the streets, trying to get away. there was a manon that we had noticed who had come out on a bike with a bag of groceries attempting to leave that area, and he was shot down. it's a pretty brutal, brutal landscape over there currently. >> what did people tell you? >> about bucha? >> yeah. when you were there, what were the restaura residents saying a were happened? >> the residents were scared. we spoke to elderly people that didn't have the physical ability to leave. we went into several of their buildings, most of the doors had been blown out with explosives, the soldiers had gone in, stolen things from the home, executed people in their homes, and just

a really scared group of people still attempting to get through what they saw and what they witnessed psychologically. it was a very emotional place to be at that time when we were there. >> i know you've been close to the front line. recently you came under fire. tell us what happened, where you were. >> yes, ma'am. we were going in to deliver medical supplies to the front lines and there were three cars. car in front of us got hit by a mortar, and we took cover for about two hours while a barrage of artillery fire came down. that vehicle in front of us was an aid vehicle, as well. there's no bias in this war, there's no honor at all. everyone is being targeted. it doesn't seem to make a difference to the russian forces. >> and you served in the navy.

i know you weren't overseas, but your team consists of former military men. i don't know if you have women as well, presumably you do. talk to me about the mission and why you all came together. >> sure. yes, ma'am. most of the team that we have here right now consists of ex-military navy s.e.a.l.s, delta guys, special operators. everybody is here donating their time, their humanity. i think what our primary goal has been targeted for is evacuations, extractions, people -- hard to get places, but based upon our background, the team's background, a really great team of people. we're utilizing it so that women, children, men can see another day, and the team agrees, it's the least we can do with what we've been taught and what we have, our capabilities,

is to help humanity in any way we can. i'm very fortunate to be surrounded by such a great group of people. it takes them all to get these operations done. i can't say anything better about these guys. they're absolutely incredible. yes, we have women here as well. they're working front lines also. we had some doctors at the front lines as well, some females there. so everyone's just kind of come together and really put themselves out on the line for humanity. it's a really beautiful thing. >> how long do you plan to stay? >> that's a good question. i came out here, and we had all expected to stay for about two weeks. and i think we've extended it now with the intention of being here anywhere between 2004 to -- four to six months until the local people are taken care of as best as can be. we'll stay for the long run on this one. >> thank you for your service.

thank you for what you're doing in ukraine. it's so important, all the volunteer efforts. i know people there are grateful and so are your people back home. that does it for this special edition of "andrea mitchell reports." we'll be back live from brussels tomorrow. remember, follow the show online, on facebook, on twitter @mitchellreports. chuck todd with "meet the press daily" starts after this.

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zelenskyy addresses the united nations, sharing some graphic descriptions of war crimes he says russia committed in bucha and saying there are many more city where is ukrainians suffered similar fates at the hands of the russians. god only knows what they've done in mariupol. and a new warning from the pentagon today that the violence will get worse as pressure goes for the u.s. and the international community to do more to punish russia and help ukraine. we've got new reporting on new sanctions that are rolling out in 24 hours. and later, former president barack obama returns to the white house for the first time since he left office. we'll hear from him and president biden this hour at an event touting obama's signature achievement, the affordable care act. welcome to "meet the press dail"