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begin on the left side of your screen any second. the u.s. stepping up military and diplomatic pressure on vladimir putin. president biden today announcing that new round of sanctions on russia, including targeting the russian leader's two adult daughters. secretary of state tony blinken meeting in brussels to try to find more ways to hurt russia as ukrainians continue to fight hard for their country and for their freedom. >> so ultimately, yes. >> ahead this hour our live one on one with one of the white house advisers involved in this new sanctions push. and right now on the hill in other news the house getting ready for a key vote within the next couple hours. lawmakers expected to ask the doj to charge two one-time aides to former president donald trump with criminal contempt of congress. so the big question now, what will attorney general merrick garland do about it? also this hour the first comments we're hearing from the mother of amir locke after prosecutors said no charges would be filed against the officers involved in her son's

shooting death. and why a dozen states are now threatening to investigate the nfl. the reporter who broke that story today is here with her scoop later on in the show. hey there. good to be with you on this wednesday afternoon. i'm hallie jackson in washington along with our nbc news team, shannon pettypiece covering the white house. molly hunter is live for us in ukraine. courtney kube's at the pentagon. and we're also joined by michael mcfaul, former u.s. ambassador to russia and msnbc international affairs analyst. and shannon, let me start with you because this is where the screws are tightening on vladimir putin. from the white house with this new economic pressure on him, his family with these announcements from the president and others today. >> that's right, hallie. and it's all part of a much broader effort that's obviously been going on for weeks for the white house to try and squeeze the russians economically with increasing sanctions. but i would add a change in the messaging that we have been hearing from them is this is not only about putting pressure on the russian economy, on the russian billionaires, on top russian officials, but it's also about trying to put pressure on

russia militarily by hampering them from financing this conflict because as things go beyond weeks and extend into months and potentially years financing a conflict like that takes a lot of money, it takes a lot of resources, it takes a lot of supplies. so the administration is hoping that these sanctions will hamper those military efforts as well. here's a little bit more what the president had to say today. >> there's nothing less happening than major war crimes. responsible nations have to come together to hold these perpetrators accountable and together with our allies and our partners we're going to keep raising the economic cost and ratchet up the pain for putin and further increase russia's economic isolation. >> reporter: and specifically with these sanctions today about 2/3 of russia's financial sector will now be sanctioned. they put sanctions today on the largest bank, sberbank, in the country. and also going after, as you mentioned, hallie, putin's two

daughters, adding them to the sanctions list. also adding family members from foreign minister sergey lavrov, foreign minister dmitri medvedev. oftentimes officials and oligarchs have tried to evade sanctions by shifting assets to family members or to shell companies. just another one of these steps the administration says they're taking to increase the pressure that they think is their best chance at ultimately getting putin to stop this war. >> shannon pettypiece, thank you. molly hunter, let me go to you. i'm so glad to see you. i know that you are in and around kyiv. that's where you've been reporting from. i've been watching your coverage on the "today" show, on "nightly news." it is so important to see you and your team shining a light on some of these stories. tell us more. we're going to hear from courtney in a second about this pullout from kyiv the russians are doing. tell us what you're seeing on the ground. bring us up to speed. >> yeah, hallie, that's exactly right. and thanks for the kind words. my team appreciates it. so we are in kyiv and we've been focused so heavily on those suburbs around kyiv and in the last week as russian troops have been forced to retreat, have been forced to withdraw and

really pushed back. we have started to get eyes. we have started to visit some of these towns. now, my colleague richard engel was in bucha. we've been talking a lot about the atrocities that are seen there. apparent war crimes that are being witnessed there. we got to another suburb about 30 miles northwest of kyiv. it took us about an hour. there are about 15 checkpoints, hallie, between here and there. and the destruction is unbelievable in borodianka. it's a town of about 12,000 before the war. it was on that northwest axis between here and belarus. heavily shelled at the beginning of the war. and really people there have been living underground for the last five weeks. we saw heavy destruction. we did not see any bodies on the ground, which is of course really what was making a lot of headlines in bucha. we did meet a woman, hallie, though, named taisa. she's 80 years old. she told us her son was shot in the back by russian troops while he was walking away if & then she showed us where she had to bury him in her back yard, hallie. and there are so many stories like that, graves in back yards.

there are still civilians who are living there, of course very nervous coming out. we were really kind of some of the first people they have seen since the ukrainian troops moved back in. but there is no humanitarian aid. but really a town like this, hallie is going to take years and years to rebuild. >> what was it like in those moments, molly, as you're coming across some of these people who hadn't seen international journalists, who were just kind of able to get into these towns? >> yeah. and look, the way we met taisa is minutes after driving into borodianka a woman named marina basically flagged us down hysterically crying, also in her late 70s or early 80s. hysterically crying. and was like we have to show you, come with me, we have to show you what's happening right now, the russians are lying, we have proof. and she basically started into this long story about how her neighbor's son had been killed. she was telling us it all. and then she goes, actually, here is her -- here is taisa. she can actually tell you what exactly happened to her and to her son. and she brings out her name and we get the full story right there. but we were the first people that she had really talked to,

communicated with. she was on her way to get some humanitarian aid in the city center, hallie. >> as you have been reporting in and around this area, molly, what has stuck with you? >> the relief that people are feeling now, the relief that people are feeling as ukrainian troops roll into these towns. the shock, the confusion that people have. most of these people, hallie, have been completely without communication for the last five weeks. they have not been able to call relatives. they have not been able to check on people in other parts of the city. they have had no idea if, you know, war was still raging outside their borders, if there was a humanitarian convoy, what was happening in the rest of the country. and for a lot of people that was kind of the most terrifying, most isolating thing, that they had no idea what was going on beyond kind of their very small block radius. >> molly hunter live for us in kyiv. molly, thank you. and again, thank your team for us please. courtney, let me go you to for an update from the pentagon on some of these troop movements as the u.s. sees it, the view from

30,000 feet if you will. as well as this military assistance from the u.s. we know that the ukrainians, president zelenskyy specifically, has been saying we need this help, we need more weapons. now he seems to be able to be getting it. >> yeah, that's right. so the latest is this $100 million announcement that the biden administration made last night that they're sending more javelins. and i'm sure our viewers probably know this, but they're called anti-armor. they're really anti-tank. so they're meant to target the russian tanks that have been doing so much destructive and absolutely devastating damage as we've been seeing from molly's amazing reporting there. but in addition to that, we got a little bit more insight into just how quickly those are moving into ukrainian hands. for instance, last night the biden administration made this announcement while a senior defense official says in most cases this equipment, these weapons are getting into ukrainian military hands in literally a matter of days. sometimes as quickly as four to six days that they will be in the ukrainian military hands to help defend against this russian

invasion. but in addition to that we also got a little more insight into one of the other major weapons that the u.s. has been giving to the ukrainians, and that is the switchblade drone. it has already been proven to be extremely effective against the russians. it's essentially a drone that can take out many russian -- much russian equipment on the ground. and obviously as a drone and unmanned system it doesn't put an operator in danger when it's doing so. we now know that 100 of those drones have made their way into ukrainian military hands. and in addition to that, a senior defense official acknowledged today the u.s. military actually trained the ukrainian military, a small group of them, who were here in the united states in advance of the invasion so they would be able to use those and train their fellow ukrainian soldiers on how to use them in the fight there. now, you mentioned at the top, hallie, the situation around kyiv in the north, the capital city, has changed. in the last 24 hours or so, according to the senior defense official, all russian military

forces have left that area. in addition to around kyiv there's a city just northeast of there called chernihiv. the russian military has also left from there. they've moved up north into belarus, into russia with the u.s. assessment is that they're going to sort of refit, rework, figure out what's needed so that they can begin this sort of next phase of this offensive. the belief is that they will drive from north of ukraine around ukraine and move somewhere back into the country in the east. it's not clear where that will happen. there's some assessments it could be up toward kharkiv, it could be further south. but for this next phase of the campaign here, which is likely to focus on the donbas area in the southeast, hallie. >> courtney kube, staying on top of everything i know at the pentagon. courtney, thank you so much. ambassador mcfaul, let me fwet to you. let me take this in a couple of buckets. first your reaction to these military and diplomatic developments here, specifically this new assistance that we're talking about here. >> fantastic.

i applaud all new military assistance. same with the sanctions. these are serious sanctions, especially on sberbank and the state-owned enterprises. i would have liked to have seen them earlier, but fantastic news. and i look for more announcements tomorrow. and that's the point. we have got to keep ratcheting up sanctions on the ukrainian economy. there's still lots more that can be done, especially on oil and gas, and there the lead of course is our european allies. and there's more military assistance that can be provided. so bravo for today and do something more tomorrow. >> let's talk a little more about those sanctions and specifically the ones on vladimir putin's daughters. let me take a beat here to explain what we know or what little we know about them. because as nbc news has put it, these may be the most mysterious first children in modern history. with so much secrecy around his adult kids. putin himself i don't believe has ever publicly identified them. mariya was born in 1985, katerina in 1986. just last year the younger of

the two, katerina, showed up on screen as a panelist at an international economic forum and the "washington post" has reported that the older daughter, mariya, is a genetics researcher. the very little that we do know comes from these spotty media reports. hardly anything recently from russian media for obvious reasons. there's rumors putin may have more kids, younger kids, but we're talking about a near total lockdown. as you well know, ambassador mcfaul, on any info about putin's family. is first, what should we know about these adult daughters and their relationship to sxooint how effective would sanctions against them be? >> well, first, to underscore something i think most americans would be shocked by, what you just said. putin i don't any has ever mentioned them ever. when i was ambassador, which is already eight years ago when i left in 2014, i remember very vividly one of my russian colleagues saying you know what putin really hates about you, mike, is that you talk about your kids all the time. >> wow. >> and you are open.

and i was. i coached my son's third grade basketball team and all of russia knew about it. and it drove putin nuts, the open way that i lived my life compared to him. and so he's not going to like these sanctions. it will bring new attention to his children. and you're absolutely right. these are just the ones that we know are his children. there are allegations, and i'm going to just say, you know, pretty -- with a lot of evidence i would say. but i'll just say that i don't -- i can't confirm that he has other children. many other news outlets have in russia and some of them were closed as a result of it. he is not going to like this activity against his family. and that's just great as far as i'm concerned. >> is the fact these adult children may be hiding some of his assets, that he may be using them o'put some of his assets? >> that most certainly is what has been alleged in russian reporting about them for many, many years now. one of his alleged girlfriends, alina kabayeva is her name,

allegedly lives abroad and allegedly has several children. so that would be another -- you know, in terms of investigation, if you're living abroad, first of all, why is that? if russia's such a great place and putin says the west is so evil, why is that? i think we should learn more about that. and secondly, most certainly, mr. putin and many of the other oligarchs, by the way, it's an important thing that russian opposition, activists have been saying for years. you can't just sanction the oligarchs or mr. putin. you have to sanction the families because lots of their assets are held by their family members. so i applaud this decision. i think it's a brave move by the biden administration. and like i said, i hope to see another brave decision tomorrow. >> so then what is your biggest takeaway you want viewers to know over the last 24 hours with the way this has developed? >> well, two things. one, the ukrainian army is winning. what you were just reporting

about, they're leaving kyiv not because putin made some magnanimous decision but because the ukrainian army is winning there. that's a fantastic piece of news. but the second piece of news is more alarming. they're redeploying to move to donbas. there's no doubt in my mind that putin is going to fight to try to connect crimea to donbas, and that's going to be a bloody fight that i fear is going to go on for weeks and months. and therefore, we have to provide more weapons and more sanctions. this is a long battle. we've got to help the ukrainians to win. i agree with secretary blinken, as you were reporting. the ukrainians will win this fight someday. our not job is to help them win it faster and with less bloodshed. >> ambassador michael mcfaul, it's always great to have you on the show and to hear your perspective. thank you very much for being with us. coming up later this hour we're going deeper inside those sweeping sanctions from the white house. live with a member of the biden administration. but first, we got some action over on capitol hill. thing about behind me here. on the house floor right now, getting ready to vote on whether

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you are looking live at the house floor right now on capitol hill, holding a procedural vote ahead of a final full house vote on two simultaneous criminal contempt referrals to the justice department at the same time against former top aides to then president trump. the two guys you see on your screen right here. dan scavino and peter navarro. latest timing in to us, we think that vote should be roughly two hours from now. again, approximately. also just in to us in the last couple minutes really as we were coming on the air, a judge here in washington finding a federal defense contractor not guilty on charges related to the january 6th insurrection. i want to bring in nbc's garrett haake on capitol hill. also with us is nbc's justice

correspondent pete williams. garrett, let me start with you and then pete, i'll get to you on this other breaking news. we are now starting to see this process play out in public on the full house floor. what we expect to see, right? is the passage of these criminal contempt of congress referrals to the doj. the question is now, right? democrats amping up the pressure on the doj to speed things up on that end, it seems. >> well, and there's only so much pressure they can put on the department of justice, especially when they're also trying to argue as they have argued for the entire trump years that they wanted an independent department of justice. but this is the central chang for the january 6 committee. they need doj to back up their contempt referrals. otherwise, the contempt referral is a document, is a piece of paper. maybe they get a certificate. there's nothing to it if you don't care that congress has held you in contempt without the criminal element. they got that with steve bannon, but mark meadows' referral has been sitting at doj since december and there's been no obvious public action on that. so for subpoenas to work, for

the threat of subpoena, for the threat of a contempt referral and perhaps prosecution to work, doj has to do their part of it, and these democrats, many of them are starting to argue quite publicly for that, which has been a change in strategy from the beginning of this. but they know they need the department of justice to back them up and they know they can't wait any longer. that's the bottom line. the timeline gets more condensed by the day. and if they're going to have any hope of generating -- turning some of these more recalcitrant people into witnesses they need pressure now. >> by the way, garrett, even if this doj process does play out fully to the -- it doesn't force any of these people to then go back and give the information that the january 6 committee wants and tell them -- >> no, it doesn't. that's exactly right. they can be punished for being held in contempt, but they cannot be compelled to testify. >> garrett, thank you. pete, let me go to you on this other january 6th-related piece of news that's come in to us in the last 20 minutes or so.

this trial against matthew martin, i believe a misdemeanor case. and you'll correct me if i'm wrong. i believe this is the first acquittal, right? the first not guilty outcome that we've seen in one of these january 6th trials. >> correct in every respect. he's a defense contract from santa fe. he faced the same kind of charges that hundreds of people face, misdemeanor charges based largely on the fact that they were in the capitol building. and the government has used a variety of evidence for this, their own statements on social media, the pictures they posted, surveillance photos and video, and even cell phone records showing how they moved around inside the capitol. and based on that, hundreds of people have faced very similar charges. so we're not talking about the people who attacked police or damaged property or stole things out of the capitol. we are talking about the most garden variety of all these charges. and matthew martin's basic defense here was i thought i was allowed into the capitol. and the judge, trevor mcfadden, who's a trump appointee, by the

way -- i'm not sure that matters one way or the other. but what the judge said is there simply wasn't enough evidence that he knowingly crossed police lines, that he knew he wasn't supposed to do that, because martin had said that he thought the police were allowing him in. now, i can tell you, hallie, a number of -- dozens and dozens of defendants have made similar claims when the fbi would interview them before the charges were filed, they said i thought we were allowed in. now, the prosecutors have scoffed at that contention, saying people were breaking windows and doors to try to get in the capitol. how did you think you were allowed in? but nonetheless, there are people who were sort of swept up in the crowd who said we thought he we were allowed in, the police just sort of stood there. and that was matthew martin's claim, and judge said that's enough, case dismissed. >> pete williams, thank you for the latest on the developing news coming in to us just this afternoon. appreciate it. still ahead we're live at the white house with one of

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ukrainians still in shock from what they're finding in the suburbs of kyiv looking at what is left behind as russian troops have left the area. sky news' debra haines is on the ground among the volunteers and investigators in bucha. wait till you see what she sees. >> reporter: this is no ordinary crime scene. behind the cordon yellow plaques numbered from 1 to 6 are all that distinguish the remains of one life from another. each body burnt beyond recognition. like so many victims in the town of bucha, their identities are not yet known. but what is clear is ukraine's resolve for justice and its rage at russia.

how can you talk to vladimir putin when his forces do this? >> go to hell. >> reporter: a sentiment also felt keenly by the body collectors of bucha. their van arrived already loaded. the police chief says some 1,200 war crimes have been registered so far across the whole kyiv regions. the destruction in this town stands testimony to the trauma unleashed when russian troops

invaded. their withdrawal a few days ago means investigators can freely gather eyewitness statements, fingerprints and video evidence. but living with such death is almost too much for the remaining residents to bear. who do you blame for this? we've not been here very long, but in this small corner of bucha we've already counted eight bodies. there are many more houses and gardens yet to be searched. ukrainians say that every death is going to be investigated and cases built so that prosecutions for war crimes can be heard. down the road three more stolen lives. discarded in death. but further evidence for ukraine's investigators. their goal is justice so the

victims of russia's war can finally rest in peace. debra haines, sky news, bucha. >> president biden specifically called out some of those reported atrocities in bucha and other parts of ukraine while laying out this white house response here, right? it is a response to what you just saw, some of that. these new sanctions now. calling today's steps devastating and severe with immediate costs on russia. you see more details on your screen here. i want to bring in now from the white house deputy national security adviser for international economics daleep singh. mr. singh, thank you so much for being back on the show. good afternoon to you. >> hi, hallie. >> we just showed in i think horrific detail but it is important i think to shine a light on what is happening in bucha from our debra haines, whofrom sky who is there, part of the reason why the white house is moving forward with this new round of sanctions on the kremlin. so explain under these new sanctions when they take effect what life might look like for russian people there. >> yeah. hallie, i mean, the imagery you're showing, it's horrifying,

it's sickening. we're dealing with a despicable regime led by putin. that's why we're intensifying what was already the most severe set of economic sanctions ever levied. i'll explain what we did and then the impact it's having. number one, we're using our most potent financial sanction on russia's largest financial institution by far. sberbank has a third of all of the assets in russia's banking system. it's the main artery in russia's economy. and we're now cutting off sberbank from doing any business with the u.s., freezing any of its assets that touch the u.s. number two, we are banning any new investment into russia. so you've heard about this mass exodus of the private sector from russia. more than 600 companies and counting. this will make sure that exodus endures and with that exit will go the private sector know-how and the skills that russia needs to compete. number three, we're saying russia can no longer use any of its dollars that are held in the u.s. to make its debt payments. so that's putting a very stark choice in front of russia. it can either find dollars from

somewhere else like from within russia to make these payments, which means fewer resources to fund his war machine, or it will face default. and if russia defaults that will cause generational harm to russia's economy. and then lastly we took action against 20-plus additional individuals with our full blocking sanctions, which means their assets will be frozen, they can't travel to the u.s. that includes putin's daughters, lavrov's wife, and several members of russia's security council. now, in terms of the impact, what does this do? well, already russia's economy is projected to contract by double digits this year. that's more than twice what we saw in 1998 when russia defaulted. it's going to wipe out 15 years of economic gains in russia. inflation's already 17% in likely. it's likely to move above 20% and stay there for a long time. already interest rates are at 20% in russia. debit cards aren't working. people are having trouble traveling abroad. shelves are going empty. russia is descending very

rapidly into economic, financial, and technological isolation. it's becoming a pariah state. and it is solely the responsibility of president putin. >> when you talk about the impact, you anticipate in effect from these sanctions on russia's military operations like access to resources for parts for planes and tanks that kind of thing? >> yeah. absolutely. the russian military machine is dependent on cutting edge technology from the west. it's dependent on an economy in russia that's growing, not one that's getting smaller and more isolated. so we're going after russia's military-industrial base. we're not going to destroy that military-industrial base overnight. but over time it will be a shadow of what it once was. >> you mentioned putin's daughters, vladimir putin's daughters. we talked about them at the top of the show. do you think he's using his adult children to hide his assets? is that why you're sanctioning him? >> well, that comes right out of the kremlin playbook. many of the kleptocrates starting at the very top of the russian government hide their assets with family members all

across the world. so we're closing down that loophole. his daughters also play a prominent role in the russian economy and the russian government. we're holding them to account. >> is it also part of the hope as well in sanctioning those close to putin that they might pressure him to stop the war or is that not a consideration here? >> the goal here with sanctions on individuals is to expose and hold to account the russian cleptocracy. they've been ripping off the russian people for decades. the russian people should know that. whether they can influence putin or not is above my ability to predict. but what we can do is be transparent about what they've done. >> before i let you go, experts have suggested that perhaps there is more that can be done with oil and gas sanctions, for example. i know the white house views that's got to be led by european allies. are you starting to see any indication from european allies that they might be willing to move forward with even more severe oil and gas sanctions than we've seen? >> hallie, as you know, we've already banned any russian energy from coming to the u.s.

and today and over the past week we've announced a historic release of strategic petroleum reserves, well over three times more than we've ever done. today more than 30 other countries have announced they're going to release another 60 million barrels. so it's 240 million barrels that's going to be released onto the global market. what does that matter? that gives more space for countries around the world to join us in banning russian energy and degrading their stat ubs as a leading energy supplier. that's the purpose. >> daleep singh, thanks so much for being back on the show. deputy national security adviser for the white house. appreciate your time. appreciate you being here on an important day. next up nurks reaction out of minneapolis. and in a word, disgusted. that's the quote after prosecutors decided not to charge the police officer who shot and killed a black man during a no-knock raid. we'll have more on that after the break. ore on that after the break. ♪♪ ♪♪

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medical correspondent dr. jon torres. no formal vote but one thing we could see out of this meeting is some kind of consensus like an agreement that we might start to treet covid vaccines like flu shots when you get them every season, every year. what would that mean for all of us and what's your sense of how that plays out? >> what that would mean is essentially it would be just like the flu shot, it's an annual thing and we'd get a booster based on what variants are going around the world and particularly here in the u.s. and i think what they're looking at is the consensus on looking at it a couple of different ways. two of those ways being, one, if it changes and we can't do it at the sam time as the flu shot, so it might be a little different than the flu shot. the other one is incorporating it in with the flu shot, maybe even making it one shot that covers boeing of them. you have both strains in there, or both viruses in there. and that i think is something that needs to be more palatable for the population. but right now what we're looking at is a meeting to start other meetings. they're looking to come out with a consensus of how they want to move forward, hallie. >> sounds a lot like meetings i've been in. we're looking at this new

israeli study out this week that found that pfizer's second booster protects older people, older adults from infection for eight weeks but then only eight weeks, right? it starts to kind of disappear after that. what does that mean maybe for this population that really is the most vulnerable to covid? >> important point you brought up there is that the infection wanes. it didn't protect people from infection after a certain number of weeks but it did protect them from severe illness and you could read into that also probably hospitalizations and deaths and so it is doing good at protecting it from that. it is not doing as well long-term as protechle them from being sick from covid and getting the mild to moderate illness and it depends on what you want the vaccine to do. but they're saying protecting people from being hospitalized and getting severely ill and dying and that is why they say the booster is important. >> you talk about the idea maybe this does become the flu shot where folks get a covid shot every year. even getting the initial vaccine after this global pandemic has not been a total slam dunk.

only two-thirds of americans are fully vaccinated. it is viable to count on people to get a booster every year. is that a viable public health strategy? >> you know, i think moving forward it could be a viable strategy if they do it correctly and i think if they could incorporate it in the flu shot because we're used to getting the annual flu shot. but now there is that vaccine and booster fatigue because the shot has been around for a little bit here and we've gotten vaccines basically every four to six months so people are saying, wait, at some point we need to stop doing that and chasing the variants an the experts are saying the same thing and that is why their sitting down to try to figure out a way forward so we get the right vaccine for the right virus and variant and make sure that it is something that the american public will be palatable and something that they're willing to do because they recognize the fact that not as many people are getting booster shots as they'd like. >> thank you very much.

appreciate. so the nfl is responding to a serious warning from attorneys generals in six states telling the league, shape up and get it together or we're going to investigate you. the letter today sent from the office of new york attorney general letitia james tells the nfl it must do better when it comes to workplace conduct or they will use the full weight of their authority to prosecute harassment or retaliation by employers. it trems from a report back in february that said they were subjected to on the job harassment. they share the commitment of the attorney's general but in their words they have more work to do. i want to bring in the reporter who first broke this story, "the new york times" catherine rossman. it is good to have you on the show. thanks for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> so this letter is a warning

flag to the league to say clean up its act. how long are they given in the league and what happens if they don't? >> well, they didn't specify in the letter. the letter sort of just puts the league on notice that the attorney generals were upset and horrified by what they read in the times and they want to see things clean up. and the nfl has responded saying that their in the process of doing that. and they will continue to do it and they will make their progress known to the public. so, i guess it will be -- it will remain to be seen. i think the letter asks for anybody who has a complaint to file, to file a complaint with the attorneys general. so i think if people respond to that call to action, that could prompt something as well. we'll have to wait and see. >> the back drop to this and you know we are a washington-based political news show, we don't often cover the nfl, even though everybody knows -- >> nor do i. >> that is the thing.

but you've had to lately. over the last several months. after the major discrimination lawsuit filed by brian flores, that was in february and then this congressional inquiry for one of the teams, the washington team into workplace practices. based on your reporting and many folks that you talk ed about this league, how much of a threat to the most profitable sports league in this country? >> well, you know, people love football. and some of the women that we interviewed for our story with my colleague, the women talked about how they were under pressure even within their own families to somehow make their employment work out because the family took such pride in their working for the nfl. so you had this huge cultural positive association with the nfl, and then a lot of problems, a lot of problems going on behind the scenes. so, for a very long time the nfl has been able to -- it is popular enough with its fans and

ratings generating enough money for owners that nothing has changed. and now that there is more and more coming to light, the nfl is really under fire right now, there is just this letitia james letter from her and the other attorneys general is the latest as you point out. there is a congressional hearing vaving dan snyder and the commanders and the brian flores lawsuit, so, you know, the nfl puts out a lot of content that paints a very happy picture of itself and they have a lot of power to do so. but stories like the one ken anddy and a lot of vigorous reporting coming from "the washington post" and other publications are starting to show a very different picture. >> it is muscular reporting. thank you so much for being with us. i commend folks to read it. >> appreciate it. catherine ross from "the new york times." a little bit of breaking news on house january 6 case over former

trump adviser steve bannon. a federal judge has just come out with a ruling that undercuts the central claim that he was trying to make. peter williams is back with us. explain this. what is going on. >> this is the claim that bannon made that his lawyer gave him the advice that he should not testify and not respond to the subpoena because of the president's invocation of executive privilege and bannon has made it clear and his lawyers have made it clear they wanted to rely on what is known as the advice of counsel defense. it is not a crazy proposition because several federal appeals courts have said that it is a complete defense in a case of contempt for refusing to respond to a subpoena. but in a decision just out, the judge in this case, carl nicolles said, story, that is not available here because the court of appeals an the district of columbia in a 1961 case said that it is absolutely not a defense in a contempt of congress charge. so that the only question is whether the person who got a

subpoena intentionally refused to follow it and that is that. the appeals court said. so that defense is not available to steve bannon at his trial. it was to be, think it is fair to say, a centerpiece if not the centerpiece of his defense, that he was doing what his lawyer told him to do but the judge said it doesn't matter. so, bannon's going to have other defenses. i'm not quite sure what they are at this point. but that was a centerpiece of his case and now he can't use it. >> pete williams that with update. appreciate it. and appreciate you watching this hour of msnbc. highlights an reporting from the show at hallieonmsnbc on twitter. and an hour from now, on nbc news now, our streaming platform, i'll see you there. "deadline: white house" starts right after this break. house" s right after this break so if there's a better treatment than warfarin

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