and not just those on the extremes yelling at each other about this issue, most believe we should be fair and humane to those who are in this country. the dreamers, for example. most americans, i am convinced, believe that those who have been in this country for ten years or more should be given an opportunity to be accountable, get on the books. but most americans also believe in -- go to, texas 85% mexican american. they want our border under control. the numbers of 7000 a day. estimates are now climbing over 10 to 18 possibly. they are not sustainable. not with communities across the border that have to observe this cause population, not for charities, not for the border patrol or i.c.e. who have to track these people, keep up with these people. and not sustainable politically. for the biden administration. >> so you agree there is a crisis at the border right now? >> yes absolutely. >> if you could stick around,

we would love to get your thoughts on ukraine. it is just past the top of the hour. 9:00 on the east coast, 6 am out west as we roll into the fourth hour of morning joe. this morning, russia is facing growing international pressure. vladimir putin is showing no signs of dialing back his assault on ukraine. for now, the attacks around the capitol are over. but a much more intense assault has begun in the east. as we, speak nato foreign minister are in brussels on day two of their meetings about what to do about it. secretary of state anthony blinken is there along with uk's foreign minister. he said that his goal today is pretty straightforward. >> my internet is very simple. it has only three items in it. weapons, weapons, and weapons. i call on our allies to put aside their heads visitation, their reluctance, to provide ukraine with everything in the

news. because, as we're doesn't may sound, today weapons serve the purpose of peace. >> ukraine needs those weapons, because today russia's escalating attacks in eastern ukraine. pounding the donbas region with utilitarian and airstrikes. president zelenskyy says that the fiercest battles are in southern new hampshire, where russian-backed separatists remain in control. he also said the russian forces are attacking from the city of alicia, trying to encircle ukrainian troops there. >> trying to assert new -- on donbas new video from inside that region. these are pictures on the eastern city of kramatorsk, where the roads are packed and roughly 2000 people are leaving the train station every day. ukrainian officials in kharkiv and you hawn are telling people to get that while they can. in mariupol, the mayor says over 100,000 people can't get out. and that they remain trapped

with no food, heat, or running water. on wednesday he said russians have turned the entire city into a death camp. describing it as quote, the new auschwitz. >> in order to prepare for those attacks in the east, the pentagon says russian forces now have completed a withdrawal around kyiv, and training. two of its primary targets at the start of this invasion. ukrainian emergency officials are now coming through the territories which were previously occupied. part of that effort includes neutralizing nearly 7000 explosive devices who were left behind by retreating russian forces. >> less than one hour from now, the un general will hold a vote on whether to suspend russian from the human rights council. it comes just three days after the u.s. ambassador to the un put images from cities out of -- showing that russia has committed war, crimes and its participation in the human rights council is a farce. reuters is reporting that

russia has warned countries that a yes vote or an abstention can be seen as an stridently unfriendly gesture, with consequences for bilateral relations. >> oh this morning the parliament voted for an immediate embargo on russian oil and gas. nearly 500 voted in favor of that measure, putting new pressure on the european commission to act. the two bodies work in tandem. parliament as the eu's legislative branch, and the commission as the executive branch. meanwhile, russia says it plans to respond to new sanctions from the white house, but has not yet said how or when. sanctions unveil on wednesday targeting to overturn largest banks, as well as families of russian leaders, including vladimir putin's two adult daughters. also today, the u.s. senate is expected to vote to ban russian oil in ports and sustain normal trade relations with moscow. the house passed both bills last month. a lot going on this morning. >> a lot going on this morning mister secretary, i'm just curious your thoughts.

how far can the united states, how far can the west, push russia on sanctions? we've seen sanctions in iran over the past three or four decades. how effective is it going to be, these pushes? >> sanctions take time to have their impact. you are not going to see an effect in six weeks or four weeks or three weeks. we saw this in iran. sanctions take time for their economic impact to build up across the population. for those who are affected to exert influence on the government. so, sanctions to take time. the more i look at this situation, the more i fear when we are going to face is some form of standoff. where nobody declares victory, nobody declares defeat. and you have a very tense standoff in various parts of the country. militarily, the russians have underperformed. we have seen how someone

defending their freedom, their homeland, their family with a rifle or molotov cocktail, can you do a lot of damage against a big untrained, overweight army. it is hard for me to fathom vladimir putin agreeing to some sort of diplomatic solution to this. >> you mentioned that sanctions take time. joining us now from the white house's deputy secretary of the treasury, while the other chemo. wally, i guess the first question i have for you, mister secretary, is what sections do we have left? still in the tool box there? and holland will it take for the sanctions which already been lucky to have an impact? >> great to be with you. and the sanctions we have already put in place are having an impact. do not take my word for. listen to what president putin said. he said that the russian economy has to transform because of our sanctions. he did not say the quiet part out loud, but that means the russian economy is going to be slower, less flexible. we are already seeing that. the russian economy is

contracting more than 10% this year. it is the biggest collapse of the russian economy since the -- 1990. eight we have more that we can do. one thing that i did last week was i went to europe and talk to our allies and partners about the fact that while we are going to continue to constrain the economy, we are gonna make it harder for them to get the materials to fight their war in ukraine. and elsewhere. two weeks, ago their defense secretary had a meeting on procurement. because the war, as secretary johnson said, has gone poorly for them. and they need to procure more materials for their troops and supplies. we are gonna do everything we can to fluctuate that using sanctions and export controls, so the military does not have the equipment to continue their war of choice in ukraine. >> mr., secretary good. morning you have quite a full treasury blocking sanctions on the largest state owned bank and the largest private bank in. russia which means americans cannot do business with those banks. we expect to be the practical impact of that? >> the impact is going to be to further constrain the russian

economy. they mean that russia's economy will grow even slower than it was before that. we know that russia's economy is contracting now, is going to contract even more. inflation is likely going to be around 20% this year. it will likely go up because of the actions of not only the united states since yesterday, but the actions which the g7 took in total. and work we told the russians and told president putin is that as long as the invasion continues, we are gonna continue to take steps to contain constrain their economy. >> one question over here. there are some concerns that the u.s. economy might be heading towards a recession. what are you hearing? >> part of my job is to talk to and see small business owners. and every one of the talks to say is that demand is a strong. they are coming from a position of strength rather than weakness. investing in things like the american rescue plan which has created more jobs over the last year than unemployment in history. so while we do have challenges

that we place, the president has told us that we want to try to everything that we can to mitigate the challenges with the russian invasion of ukraine on the u.s. economy. maximizing the impact on russia. that is exactly what we are doing. >> deputy secretary of the treasury wally adeyemo, thank you so much. >> secretary, obviously your job in your business in your -- you are constantly contacting ceos and business owners and people in the government. what is your thought in the economy? we've heard about the possibility, obviously, inflation landing us. we've heard about the possibility, perhaps, for our session next. year we do not want to get back into the battle days of inflation. what are you hearing from business leaders that you work with every day? >> first of all, he is a rising star, wally. i remember when he was an enes cc staffer, now he's a secretary. pretty cool. >> that's great. >> i was having this conversation with the business leaders just last night. there is a rising worry about potential collateral effects

here in this country. i hope that the nfc, the people smarter than me at the table and in the white house, are thinking about this. it reminds me of just about -- >> just with everything from the? sanctions the side effects? >> yes. it reminds me of virtually every serious discussion we have a national security, where you want to go in a certain direction. and there are people at the table who are going to talk about the ten consequences, and unintended consequences, perhaps, of any action that you take in any direction you go. so i hope that our folks in the -- are thinking about this. >> yes. former secretary of homeland security, jay johnson, thank you so much. >> coming up, a huge day on capitol hill. the senate will vote in the confirmation of judge ketanji brown jackson. to the supreme court. we mentioned the suspect about later today on banning russian oil. we will dig into grilling oil

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we are following a number of storylines this morning out of washington, including the latest fallout from the january 6th capitol riot. the house voted to root to former trump aides to the justice department for criminal contempt of congress. those two former aides, peter navarro and dance could be no, ignored's subpoenas from the house committee investigating the riot. they also failed to turn over documents relevant to the

capitol attack. the house vote fell mostly along party lines, with only two republican representatives, adam kinzinger and liz cheney, joining all democrats. now it is up to the justice department and attorney general merrick garland to decide whether to actually punish them. >> this afternoon there is expected to be history in the senate. it will officially confirm judge ketanji brown-jackson is the first woman ever on the supreme court. republican -- all have said they will vote for her, barring any surprises. it will guarantee that she will be on the court. the order leader mitch schumer said the vote for around 1:45 eastern time, later today. we will bring you more as it develops. >> to east coast universities say they are bringing back a temporary mask mandate. georgetown, and johns hopkins say they are making the move to help combat increasing covid cases amongst students.

at the same time, a growing number of high-profile covid cases are being reported in the nation's capital. after a star studded gridiron club dinner last weekend in d.c., vice president kamala harris's communications director, jamal simmons, attorney general merrick garland, commerce secretary gina raimondo, congressman adam schiff, and congressman joaquin castro have all tested positive for breakthrough cases after attending the grid iron event. >> back now to the war in ukraine. we are getting new reaction to russia's a vacuum nation of forces around kyiv and chernihiv. earlier on in the morning we spoke to pentagon press secretary john kirby who gave us his assessment of why the russians failed to take the ukrainian capital, and where they may be headed next. >> we believe that they are preparing to refit, resupply, and maybe even reinforce some of these troops that they moved out of kyiv and out of places

like chernihiv. and belarus and into russia, for later redeployment, back inside ukraine. we are very concerned about this development. it is certainly good for the folks of kyiv, and obviously a defeat for the russian forces there who had tried to capture the capital. but, they are not going home. they are going to get ready for future fighting. i think mike had a really good point, just a minute ago. because they are going to be able to concentrate their efforts now in a smaller geographic area, and area that they had been fighting over for eight years, we would expect that the violence is only going to get worse. the finding is going to get more intense. as the russians now tried to redouble their efforts in a much smaller area of ukraine. we are very concerned about this development. we are watching it. we have not seen those reinforcements come back into ukraine from the northern regions. but, we are going to be monitoring it as close as we can. >> what can you tell us about the pentagon's assessment of what happened around kyiv?

why did the russians fail so miserably, so historically? >> here are a couple of things for you. one, they did not have enough force. to take a capital city the size of kyiv they would've needed tens of thousands more troops than they actually dedicated to the effort. to, they did not properly prepare for sustaining their forces in the field, logistics, food, fool, ammunition, that convoy that never reached them, and number three they did not count on ukrainian resistance and how stiff and strong it would be. number four, they did only command and control. the russians have a more siloed military than what we would normally consider a modern military would have. commanders don't necessarily talk to one another. they had trouble communicating. they were integrating air and ground elements the way that you thought a joint force word, and they were not. they suffered from their own failures, but also ran into a much stiffer ukrainian resistance than they anticipated. >> it is kathy k here, as the russians prepare to regroup,

resupply, and we assume come back again into the east of the country, is the west going to give the ukrainians what they need for this next stage of the fight? they mourn may need more offensive weapons if they are going to try and take advantage of this pause. there has been increasing frustration from ukrainian officials, and they are not hiding it anymore. they feel like they are not getting what they need. what will they get now in terms of defensive weapons? >> i will tell you, we are in constant communication with the ukrainians. we spoke to minister reznikov just a couple of days ago. they had a very good candid discussion about capabilities. the secretary made sure that they knew we were going to continue from the united states perspective to provide as much as we can, as fast as we can, and get them systems we know that they will use most effectively. that is the javelin anti tank missiles that we were just talking about a minute ago. the singer anti-air missiles. small arms ammunition. millions of rounds of small arm ammo has been provided to

ukrainians in recent days. actually, in recent weeks and months. >> pentagon spokesman retired, john kirby, speaking with us earlier in the morning. >> coming, up top oil executives say they are not to blame for high gas prices. so who is? we are going to break it all down with andrew ross tsirkin. really, he is kind of freaking out. we invited his mom. i think she is coming. she is very, very nervous. we are going to get through this. mom is on the way. later, texas governor greg abbott has a new plan to deal with undocumented migrants crossing the border into his state. inside his latest threat. next, on morning show. xt, on morning show.

we do not have significant influence over the price of our products. >> no single company such the price of oil or gasoline. the market establishes the price. >> shelve is not set or control the price of crude oil. similarly, sheldon is not set the price that consumers pay. >> the nation's top oil executives have a girl

yesterday oversaw in gas prices. do not blame us. joining us, now editor at the new york times. andrew ross sorkin. >> are you all right? >> i'm a little jittery. >> after a discussion yesterday? >> i'm a little jittery. i was going to come. usually they tried to put on some makeup, but i am blushing just online. because we brought a guest with us. we did. >> yes, and? >> he was a big looking, very difficult to make happen. >> tougher than jamie diamond? >> oh my, god it was very hard phone calls we had to make. my mom is here. >> oh my gosh! i love it! aj i can't wait. >> joan circuit is in the house. she almost booked herself, by the way. because she had not seen the show, right mom? she went out with some friends about our conversation, she

actually wrote me an email and said, i heard that i was invited on the show. and so that is how she got here. >> country assess your performance? >> she assesses performances. she assesses punctuation in articles. sometimes calls about things that she disagrees with. but we are going to talk about -- >> we will get to our counseling session in a minute. day two with andrew ross sorkin. but first, let's talk about these oil ceos. >> do we bring the oil back? they really make for really likable characters on capitol hill. >> i'm going to give you the mix both sides view of this situation. they all companies effectively stopped investing in new drilling not. because they were trying to save the environment, but because the economics of drilling over the last, decade up until now, were terrible.

>> especially during covid. >> correct. all of these republicans are saying, oh, we are following the democrats. had not stop to the drilling. the democrats would stop would not stop the drilling, it is covid! >> there is. that on the other, side there is also the reality that the investor class does not necessarily want to be in the fossil fuel business. and so there is this sort of move, and almost free market-ish move. and then there are political policies that are in place or wants to be in place that are creating enough uncertainty in that space where people are saying, do i really want to join a war? so i don't know if you want to blame the guys for doing -- for the price or not. i think the truth, is the reason we have the prices where we are today, is because we have not talked enough about the national security implications of what it means to take oil from russia. >> [inaudible] >> and you can argue that we did not move fast enough on green energy. which is to, say the transition is going to be painful. >> this whole i india.

and again, just so everybody the msnbc land loves me, i support the key stuff. does not make any sense. i think that we should look at energy is a national security issue. that said, all of these people running around with their hair on fire, blaming the new green deal or whatever they are blaming, for our market forces. we are where we are now because of market forces. because the investor class did not want them to go out with new exploration, which cost solid money. which would hit the bottom line. especially when the man was so low. >> and to your point about national security, that could be put in stark relief by europe. we said, we cannot cut off russian oil. it will collapse our economy, cause problems in all the grass. so what is the reaction of these oil executives and capitol hill yesterday to the war. as a change their business? does it do anything for, them cutting off russian oil impacts? >> i think there is going to

definitely be more drilling going on in the united states, that is for sure. but it creates this very unique conundrum, which is, you have to drill now. ostensibly to deal with this short term issue. and at the same time, can you walk into gum and invest longer term in the green energy stuff that needs to get done? and there is going to be a massive push pull, especially when you start to think about those that are, i don't to see more invested, but invested in the climate. what is realistic? what is a realistic way to think about, this anymore? >> by the way, alternative energy investments and that. >> electric. >> has made a lot of sense in the past for the investor class? but look at what is happening now. >> the numbers make. sense now they are starting to. move >> now they're starting to make, sense especially with electric vehicles and stuff like that. >> it is so going to take ten or 20 years to actually get together for this. >> people have been saying that for ten or 20 years, why has it not happened? >> these are the economics of thus far. up into the last several years, solar and wind did not make sense. it was not an economically

rational thing to do. now it is becoming an economically rational thing to do. you know, maybe it is a third rail. nobody wants to talk about it. . . we need more energy. that is a solution. some people say, right on, that is what we need to do. >> carbon uterine? >> it's carbon neutral -- get to where you need to go. the question, is it also comes with lots of risk? along the way. >> what about these vehicles? elon musk, going to the white house, talking about that? >> what was fascinating to me about that meeting mostly was less -- onto himself but the fact that elon musk got the invitation. because for months and months and months now, president biden has effectively chenille on mask. largely, by the way, over unions. that is what that is about. it has nothing to do with anything. awesome that's important. the guys a pioneer, you have to give him credit for it. >> i have to let you know, the whole section that we have done here, that has been upfront.

for this is your life. andrew ross sorkin, this is your life, we have a very special guest here. >> hi joan! come on out. >> she has been miked up. >> i just love it. [inaudible] >> so good to see. you thank you for having me. she was thinking of doing kelly ripa and ross -- >> my mind is in the wrong place. but she decided this was the place to be. >> your son is a little nervous. >> i am very nervous. >> do you make him nervous? >> i love her but -- >> he thinks i do, but hopefully i don't. >> was easy to raise? >> he was a great child, right? the czech is definitely in the mail. it was just always fun. when you are raising a kid, you have got to believe in your case, you've got to believe in

all the attributes that your child has. >> right? you told me she love me too much. >> she loves a little too much! how do you handle since to be sessions? how do you handle adversity? did you have barack too much going up? do you want to do this with their mother on tv? >> i do not -- i am happy to be bubble wrapped. >> face adversity all right, andrew? >> happily there was no diversity in my life because of the bubble wrap. >> it was the joy watching andrew, or does it make you nervous? >> i love seeing him on television. i love everything he does. but the point is, andrew knows that he is -- we always like to dream big. it's all we did. and furious. we are so proud of him. >> a little negative -- [inaudible] >> of all the sessions, really,

everybody being nice to each other. therapy session. i don't want to hear it. >> where you want to go? >> let's burn him down and build him back up. >> growing up, what is one thing we danger we don't know? thinking about him as a child? >> i don't know if he was irritating, but he was so curious, he had to know everything. you had to talk to him all the time. conversation, conversation, conversation. >> that's good though, curiosity. >> yeah. and so it was nonstop. >> i kind of understand. >> can i ask you? with punctuation, what is his blind stop spot when it comes to punctuation? >> he has a few punctuation things are going. but i think he's pulled it off. >> she calls when she sees something in the new york times. >> well [inaudible] >> oxford comma moment. >> i can believe she actually came in. >> i think it is time for a commercial. >> really love louis. it is time for a commercial.

but it is really nice to meet you. >> nice to me. hugh >> thank you so much. >> thank you for taking care of him! >> always well. >> i don't know if you knew this or not, but we have 27 hours in the day, and the exciting part of it is, we are reunited with your son. who is a big part of the show when it began. can i say something? >> sure. >> you know when i'm going to say, i'm going to say it off air. but it is that simple part. i just want to tell you something, that andrew is a really special person. and i have got to say, and you guys are the same, and again i can't say it on air, because it is a personal thing. he is just such a good decent guy. so obviously you have done a great job. >> well, we try very hard for both of our kids. and don't forget susan -- great girl. i have two wonderful children. so, the niceness factor is very big in our family. >> that's -- >> that's a very. nice to susan and ready to

their lot? >> no. because there's four years difference. >> i think she'd beat him! >> [inaudible] >> tell us about andrew, tell us. >> i'll wait until the break. >> keeping an eye on brussels, where the secretary of state tony blinken is meeting with nato allies right now. we will bring you any updates we get from overseas. also ahead, we are taking a look at one block of voters who could be crucial when it comes to the midterms. a new poll shows just 17% of them are decided right now. plus, opening day is finally here. we are now just hours away from the first pitch of 2022. at a really field. we are back in just a moment. >> and we may have alex khorasan. >> oh, she is -- [inaudible] >> alice canning a jelly without -- >> we'll be right back we'll be right back

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brussels where anthony blinken is speaking to the japanese foreign minister. let's listen. >> like he said, it is a very -- facing immigration. [inaudible] let alliance is very. >> all right, there you go.

timing is everything. getting to the heart of that. but obviously japan is taking much more aggressive role. once again a quick break alex? we just got here. did we just come back from break? >> it's been a long, to either remember. >> i think he thought it was a two apart turn, our turn to openly -- >> as it was our turn. but if you want me to the turn, go ahead. >> i was in the middle of this extraordinary instead on the japanese, like the germans, michael, i actually mika's name has just interrupted me. because name is japanese. >> my name is japanese. >> it's not, really that's another story. >> it's friday. it >> is noon friday. >> at wheels are coming off. >> i thought was dutch. >> yes, but in latin it means twinkle.

and in europe unease it means -- a version of a flower >> what's he doing this weekend? >> give us want to talk about baseball? >> i keep trying to say, the japanese are leading in the election, it is going to be good for national national security.el let's talk about baseballectiont instead,al willie. >> joining us now, mike barnicle and writer for the post, chelsea janes. let's see, first pitch is about 4.5 hours away from wrigley field. kyle hendricks will show the first peach of the 2022 season, a season, of course, that was in doubt not long ago. >> yeah, it was. as of early march, it was not clear that we would be here at all today. i think the bitterness of the labor dispute, it might still be there. for now everyone is pre tending it's not. i think everyone is happy for all the reasons you were talking about, having baseball back and something to pay attention to every day. >> chelsea, what are some

headlines you're looking at as weu' come into the season? so many s casual fans tune in f opening day and maybe miss the off-season stuff or spring training. what are youri looking senate. >> i think y one of the enterin story lines, steve cohen who owns the new york mets now, they've implemented a whole tax for him to try to get him to stop spending freely on his baseball team. it's not going to work. he's already got the best pitch her thees game in jacob degrom. you get the feeling that they're going to be the new yankees, everyone else will have to catch up. they'll be using technology to signal pitches from the catcher to the pitcher, and there will be a designated hitter in the national league which will make theic traditionalists adjust thr league a little. a new era post collective bargaining agreement.

>> lechelsea, i was wondering, you cover this daily game, they play every day. theay composition of the league itself. you mentioned jacob degrom, probably two month away from playing. you have stephen strassburg in washington. gotsb knows when he'll pitch. i'm a baseball degenerate. the six top salaries for starting pitchers, enormous salaries, obviously. but five of the six aren't going to pitch for a while this year, including degrom, chris sale. i'm wondering your thoughts on the delayed and shortened spring training. do you think the month of april and early may we're going to see a lot more injuries, especially to pitchers than we've ever seen before? >> i think there's a very good chance that that does happen. not only was spring training short end, but the teams could not talk to any of their players for month. during the lockout, they had to wait, see what came back. i think in a lot of case, some

of the guys you mentioned are fragile. there's a reason they get paid what they get paid. they put a lot of innings on their arm and prove they can do. the mlb is going to let them carry more pitchers than normal, i think for that reason. they assume there will be more injuries. frankly, teams don't know what they're getting after three weeks of contact with players they normally talk to all winter. >> national baseball writer for "the washington post," chelsea janes, thank you very much. mike, bob gibson pitched a one-hitter through 13 innings. these pitchers -- nolan ryan, complete games constantly. these guys pitch 5, 5 1/2 innings. somebody will look at chris sale. what's happened? what's happened? >> the short answer is sabermetrics, stats. a bunch of ivy league guys in front offices who are very smart and very good in their jobs.

they figure based on stats and sabermetrics, if these guys go four or five innings, we'll have a better way percentagewise of winning the ball game. >> does that make them less durable? why are they pitching less and getting hurt more? p >> that's a very good question. you're talking about shortened games, bob gibson, nolan ryan. we were texting the other day about one of the more famous games ever in major league baseball, a match-up between ron mayor shall and warren spahn in 1962 in san francisco, 16 innings. warren spahn at the time was 43 years of age.of he fought at the battle of the bulge, and he went all 16 innings, as did mayor shell. that game was played in under 2 1/2 hours. >> the braves -- >> barnicle knows a lot about this stuff. >> what theories have you heard

about this? it's so confusing to me? i see bryant gumbel talk about this.beut there's not a good answer to why they're pitching less, getting hurt more. >> investing so much more into pitchers, they want to get longert careers out of them, b doing it at the expense of short outings and they get hurt anyway. whether it's clayton kershaw -- >> it's also the physical aspect of heit. the guys you mentioned today, degrom, scherzer, chris sale, they all throw in the high 90s, all of them. >> didn't bob gibson? >> bob gibson did, but he didn't throw 98 orr 99. >> under the chin. >> so you get injured. >> if you're throwing like that, throwing 100, 120 pitches a he game. >> that's crazy. >> really quickly, let me ask

you -- i'm not going to ask you who is going to win the world series because we don't care. it's these american league east. iue really think the blue jays they ended the season as the best team in the east. i think it's their year. what about you? >> i think the blue jays are going to win it going away. they came close to making the playoffs last year before they finally got home to toronto. iy think the blue jays win it. i j think the red sox and the yankees end up in a virtual tie for second place. >> for second place. >> the rays. >> yanks-red sox tomorrow. rained out today. we start with gerrit cole which is a good place to call. moments from mao, the general assembly could vote to suspend russia from the u.n. human rights council. we also will keep an eye on brussels where secretary of state antony blinken is set to

meet with ukraine's foreign minister in the next hour. we'll bring you those events live as they happen. that does it for us this morning. jose diaz-balart picks up breaking news coverage after a quick break.

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