mr. toomey, no. mr. tuberville? >> no. >> mr. tuberville, no. mr. van hallen? >> aye. >> mr. van hallen aye. mr. warner aye. >> mr. warnock. >> aye. >> mr. whitehouse? >> aye. >> mr. whitehouse, aye. mr. wicker? >> no. >> mr. wicker, no. mr. widen? mr. young? >> mr. young, no. mr. graham, no.

[ inaudible ] good afternoon. i am katy tur. it's 2:01.

you are looking live where they are voting to conform ketanji brown jackson as the justice, and there are a few senators that have not yet voted and seems like they waited for that. the expectation as this vote was coming in is that all 50 senators that are democrats would vote yes, and there were three republicans who would also vote yes. mitt romney, susan collins and lisa murkowski. joining me now is msnbc host and former chief spokesperson for vice president harris, symone sanders, and national pr and legal affairs correspondent, nina totenberg, and former federal prosecutor, paul butler. ali, i want to start with you. did i get the play by play there correct? >> you got that right. we are just waiting at this point for senator rand paul to vote. senator graham came in late but

did cast his no vote ultimately, and the rest of the votes shook out like we thought they would, and all 50 democrats coming in behind the historic nominee, and senator mitt romney and senator susan collins and lisa murkowski, we knew those were the three republicans willing to vote necessary on the nomination. if you look at the shear scope of this, this is what democrats set out to do 30 days ago when ketanji brown jackson was officially nominated by the white house. they wanted to make this a speedy confirmation process, and they wanted it to be bipartisan and to be done before they go on the two week-long process they are about to leave for after their business is finished up today. this is what history looks like. in talking to other lawmakers around this building, though, the line to get into the gallery today to see what was happening on the senate floor was long. many black women trying to get a

glimpse of this historic moment. i ran into, for example, congressman cory booker that said she was trying to we are a spring of pearls marking this occasion because it's the first time we are seeing a black woman elevated to the courts here, a high point for so many of these members. you heard it when they were voting, and you heard like senator warren and booker and padilla, you heard the emphaticness of their yes vote. from the white house perspective i will add they feel like the process went according to plan. it was a nominee left available to republicans and democrats, anybody that wanted to meet her in hopes of everybody could get onboard. she endured almost 24 hours of questioning during that confirmation hearing. a lot of those questions from republicans heated and many people now left talking about

how this confirmation process could be in many ways broken and has really broken down along partisan lines. that's a conversation for another day, though, as this white house and democrats can celebrate a win that frankly they were badly in need of as they go forward and look afford to what the midterms might look like. >> symone, i want to ask you how the white house is feeling right now? i want to mention, vice president harris is there and she is presiding over the vote but does not need to be a tie breaker? >> yeah, a lot of times they will go and preside over the vote they feel is important. she is there to send a signal. she sat in the chair to send a signal that it was important to the white house, important to the president and important to her. obviously this is very important to the white house, but this is also important to our country. that's what i heard from a number of my former colleagues

this morning talking about this should be a moment that everybody, democrats, republicans, independents, to be proud of, and as alley was speaking, many spoke about the process the soon-to-be ketanji brown jackson was confirmed was less than ideal. that's a conversation for another day. the fact that today, a former public defender, a former vice chair of the united states sentencing commission, a black woman named ketanji brown jackson who has issued more than 570 opinions in her legal career, and has been a judge for more than ten years. she will be the next supreme court justice. many folks in this country have waited more than 233 years to see a black woman confirmed and today is, in fact, a great day. >> let's talk about that. nina, you have covered the court for such a long time. what does this moment signify? >> well, you know, i have been

thinking about this today because i remember when i was a really very young woman and there kept being talk about presidents maybe going to name a woman to the court. i was covering a court that was all male, and then when president reagan nominated sandra day o'connor to the supreme court, i remember the day i and every other woman i knew felt, that we took such enormous pride in that day. it was a very special feeling. it had nothing to do with what her ideology was. i think we all assumed she would be pretty conservative. i think for black women in particular, this is that kind of day. you can't put yourself -- i can't put myself in their shoes and exactly replicate how they feel today, but i remember the way i felt when the first woman was named to the court. i think these are similar

moments. for the people who are affected, who now can see a court that looks like them and that represents them not necessarily ideally. >> if you can, run through her qualifications for us. >> she clerked for a supreme court justice, justice breyer, who she will be replacing. she graduated with honors from a top college and harvard law school, and she has had an amazing career as a public defender and served on two courts. she has been confirmed by the

united states senate three times, twice to be a judge and once to be on the sentencing commission. there's almost never a nominee to the court with this level of qualifications. i said it before, when you are the first you have to be the best, judge ketanji brown jackson is one of the best, i wanted to say justice ketanji brown jackson, and i think in a couple of minutes i will get to say that, and man, i am going to savor those words. >> we did just get a note saying she has to swear to two oaths before you can call her that. nina, you know this as well. can you explain when we are

going to be able to call her justice? >> breyer will be requiring at the end of the term, which typically happens at the end of june. there's no vacancy until he leaves. so upon his retirement, she will be sworn in as taking his place. as the newest junior member of the united states supreme court, and not until then. usually more typically we have had more -- even in cases of ordinarily transitions, somebody has confirmed most often in the summer or in the fall, and sometimes even just as the court is about to start sitting. in recent years we have had two vacancies because of deaths, justice scalia died and mitch mcconnell kept that seat open for nearly a year to allow the next president of the united

states, president trump, to fill the vacancy instead of president obama, and you will, of course, recall obama chose merrick garland, now the attorney general of the united states. mcconnell made sure that there would never be a hearing on garland's nomination. so that was a disorderly transition as it were, and the court sat for almost a year with eight justices because of that. when justice ginsburg died in the fall of 2020, the court was just about to go back into session. the election was about to take place. again, mitch mcconnell stepped in to have a very rushed confirmation of now justice amy coney barrett, and, you know, she got there, you know, within a hair of the election taking place and had to rush her beginning in the court when it began sitting on the first

monday in october. the democrats then took that timeframe model as the one to use to get ketanji brown jackson confirmed as quickly as possible. they did that for multiple reasons. they certainly didn't trust senator mcconnell not to pull something of a -- they couldn't even imagine what, but something they would probably call a stunt to try and prevent her confirmation if it dragged out at all. this is a tied senate. all it takes is one ailment that keeps somebody bed ridden and suddenly you don't have a majority. they knew that. they were not going to take any -- any risks. >> 42 days. in fact, senator padilla, just the other day in getting this vote out of committee, getting justice soon to be -- excuse me, justice jackson out of committee, his plane was delayed and they had to delay that vote. again, we are just waiting for

rand paul to cast his vote and then we will tally up the numbers more officially. but you are looking live on the senate floor. ali vitali said a moment ago what this looks like. it may not be the most exciting image of what history looks like but it's, indeed, history being made there on the senate floor, and you see a lot of democrats hugging and celebrating, and not so much from the republicans. ali vitali keeps saying control room, which makes me think she has news. >> a little bit of an update as we watch the senate stand with the floor open, and time has expired and they could call the vote. the person miss something still senator rand paul. we have tried to contact his office and see where he is. he did vote for the trade bill that came up earlier. that was something that passed the senate with 100 votes in favor of getting rid of russia's

favored nations strayed status, so we know he voted here today, and the open question now is where senator paul is, and ultimately it may not matter and they could close the vote and move on with it, officializing the history on the floor. we are on the hunt for senator paul, but that may not happen. >> it's not going to change the outcome of the vote. there are three republicans that voted alongside all 50 of the democrats giving her the majority needed to give her passage to the supreme court. i was listening to you on npr, and i listen to that every morning, and this morning i got the privilege of the breakdown of this vote and why republicans are not in favor of her. can you explain that? >> some of it is explainable by the fear of a primary challenge.

we reached a point in this country where both political parties are tugged to the more -- i don't want to call it extreme, but more extreme to the left or right and when you don't tow the line, you have a primary challenge, and murkowski does have a opponent, and her vote is the guttiest of the three republicans. interesting in the case of mitt romney, she voted against ketanji brown jackson's confirmation to the court of appeals. my assumption, and it's just an assumption, is that he was being a good soldier and that is what the leadership recommended and he went along, but he really thought about it this time and decided that there really were no grounds to oppose her, thus,

again, my assumption. and susan collins, sort of the unicorn of the republicans has made very clear that she is willing and does frequently -- not often, but frequently casts her votes in ways that the leadership doesn't particularly love, in judicial nominations not just for the supreme court but lower courts, too, she did oppose some trump nominees that were subsequently confirmed. i think -- i think what we are seeing is how seriously broken the confirmation process is. i think all three of those republicans who voted to confirm ketanji brown jackson indicated in some way that they thought the system was so seriously broken and in the past they said it was more out of reality every moment, every year. >> nina, hold on. they are calling for senator

paul right now. >> well, they were calling for senator paul a moment ago and it almost looked as if senator schumer might take the floor and speak, but it seems not to be the case. they are conferring -- some folks are conferring with vice president kamala harris. can you give us insight into what might be happening right now? >> yes, i am taking a look at the screen right here. often times when the vice president is presiding on the floor -- you are going to hear what she is supposed to say. >> this nomination is confirmed. [ applause ]

[ applause ] under the previous order, the motion to reconsider is considered made and laid upon the table and the president will

immediately be notified of the senate's action. >> madam president, very happily, i note the absence of a quorum. [ applause ] >> the clerk will call the roll. >> ms. baldwin? >> so what you heard right there, senator schumer saying very happy i note the absence of a quorum, that was all the republicans, most of them, at least, leaving the chamber after the vote. the majority of them, as you saw, voted no on ketanji brown jackson. the final vote was 53-47 to confirm her. that does mean three republicans did crossover. mitt romney, lisa murkowski and susan collins. you can see the smile broadly

across vice president kamala harris's face as she announced the vote did pass and ketanji brown jackson will be the next supreme court justice replacing breyer and that the white house will be informed of the vote. i am told pete will join us. >> while it's a close vote it's not the closest vote in supreme court history for a supreme court nomination. thomas had 53, and amy coney barrett had three, and cavanaugh had the support of just one democrat four years ago. it's a close vote but not the closest. remember, scalia who ended up being one of the most controversial nominees was confirmed 98-0. those days are long gone.

it's more of a reflection of the partisanship that has taken over the senate than it is about the qualifications of supreme court nominees that these votes have been so close. that's point one. point two is, now what? ketanji brown jackson has a decision to make here about whether she will stay on the court of appeals until she becomes a justice. she's not a justice yet, and this is an important step along the way but not the end of the road. tomorrow we think she will be at the white house for some sort of ceremonial event, perhaps the constitutional oath. that still doesn't do it. she still has to take the judicial oath and that will not be administered until steven breyer leaves the court in june or july. she could continue with her day job, which is a judge on the u.s. court of appeals here in washington, but she may wish to step down with that because if she gets involved in deciding

cases appealed to the supreme court, she would have to decide whether or not to recuse herself from those. she has not said and her chambers have not said, but maybe she will choose to step down for the next few months until the supreme court term ends. this is an unusual thing, because normally they announce the intention to step down at the end of a term and then the confirmation process plays out and the justice goes whipping up to the court just before it convenes on the first monday of october. that's the way it was for amy coney barrett and brett kavanaugh and neil gorsuch, they came toward the end of the summer. amy coney barrett, i think went after it started, and ketanji brown jackson will have the whole summer to get ready. there's an overlap period and it happened five times before in history, and those periods were just a few days, and the longest

was 14 days when we went from chief justice earl warren to berger. she's got a decision to make here in the short term about what she's going to do in the next couple of months. >> pete, you guessed right. there will be an event tomorrow at the white house. we are told it will be at 12:15 at the white house with joe biden and ketanji brown jackson to celebrate this vote. we are getting a little information from the white house about what was going on as the senators were voting. ketanji brown jackson joined the president and other white house senior staff in the roosevelt room to watch the results of the senate vote on her nomination. no tv cameras allowed into observe, but there were some still cameras so i think we will get some photos of the moment she was confirmed. i am curious, pete, when she

does officially get seated, just remind us what cases is she going to be hearing come the start of the next term? >> so the supreme court has already decided to take some big hot-button cases, and one of her first decisions will be to recuse from one of the most important cases that will be argued in the coming term, and that's the challenge to the use of affirmative action in college emissions. the case comes from harvard. she is a graduate from harvard and so are many others on the court, and that's not the issue, but the issue is she's on a policy board at harvard and that puts her in a position and she said at her confirmation hearing that she intends to or plans to recuse herself from that case, and that, of course, would deprive the advocates of the affirmative action -- there's

the picture of the president and ketanji brown jackson watching the vote on c-span. you can see the vote just i guess before it became final, 53-46. by the way, remember the last time the supreme court nominee watched the vote with the president at the white house? that's another bit of history being made here today. affirmative action is a big one, and if she keeps her promise from the hearing won't vote on. and then another congressional redistricting case, the voting rights act and how you manage to make these congressional districts equal in population without disfavoring the race issue and making sure racial minorities are not deprived of electing who they would, and now the supreme court has decided to

take up whether there is a religious exception to anti-discrimination laws, and even though there are state laws to for bid have the right to serve same-sex weddings or same-sex customers, and that will be argued next term as well, as well as the usual flow of cases about such things as the death penalty and the employment retirement income security act, which comes every term. that's the meat and potatoes of the supreme court. >> we are getting another photo now of judge ketanji brown jackson with president biden. here's a third photo of them about to hug as this vote was coming in. the yeses at 50 and the nos at 43, so this is when it became clear she would be confirmed. nina, i wonder if you have insight about what she might do?

if i were about to take a lifetime judgeship on a body like the supreme court, i don't know, i might want a few months off to hang out with my family or, i don't know, to go on vacation somewhere to wind down for a second before i put on that robe. >> well, i am sure she will wind down for a brief period of time if she possibly can, but it's an interesting thing. almost every justice i have known felt overwhelmed in the first year to as many as five years that they served on the court, and even justices who had been on federal appeals courts for a very long time felt that way, the first two or three years where they felt like they were just hanging on for dear life. there's something about the notion of being the last word that makes it different

materially, so i would be spending most of my summer, i think, prepping so i wouldn't feel too overwhelms. and i am sure, knowing judge jackson, she will do that, and she will say quality time with her family and will also spend quality time with hundreds of briefs. >> it was such an important moment when she was -- it was during the first round of the confirmation hearings, symone, when she was addressing her kids and it resinated with a lot of moms out there, me included, and something like i tried my best and i was not always there, because she was working a lot, but she tried her best, and that was something that me -- i am a working mom and a lot of working moms out there saw and recognized and appreciated understanding the pull between those two parts of your life.

>> it was a moment that definitely resinated with me. i can maybe count on one hand where i have seen in a professional work setting, let alone splashed across the television for all the world to see, a black woman, a mother talking candidly and intimately to her children about the sacrifices that she has made and also while trying to be a good parent. it was a moment that was enduring for women across the board. often times, katy, everybody has had that conversation, can you have it all and -- >> hang on one second. i want to hear democratic leadership right now. >> thank you, mr. chairman. first off, having chaired that committee for a number of years i cannot think of anybody that could have done a better job or would have done a better job than dick durbin did.

i must admit, you kept your temper better than i would have. i have been here for 21 supreme court nominations, and i look at all of them and i look at what we have learned through 21. here i see somebody extraordinarily well qualified, and somebody that makes the court look more like america, and somebody, frankly, i could say to my children and my grandchildren, be proud, be proud of what you see because over those 21, i could not help but think it was rare that we broke through and showed the adversity this country has, even though we have excellent people. but just as powerful as when i voted for the first woman to go on the supreme court.

now we have come all the way, and i am so happy, and i am so happy that the chair kept us altogether. after 48 years, i am very, very happy. thank you. >> i want to say one word before we open it to questions, and that is we're here because of extraordinary staff work at every level. even single one of us relied on everybody that worked here with the covid to work long hours and be there when we needed them. i wanted to salute them. i think i am joined in that. open to any questions. >> is there any legislative answer to anything that happened

in this hearing? i am thinking about a number of you that commented, mr. chairman, about the sentencing guidelines that everybody complains about that needs reform? >> i will speak for myself. i just find that this was a trial by ordeal. she went through 24 hours of questioning. each one of us had ten-minute opening statements and then 50 minutes minimum, 50 minutes to ask questions. i am not sure that that is really fair to any nominee or i don't believe it's necessary. you don't have to go that far back in history to find nominees that have gone through the judicial committee in a matter of several hours and maybe a day, but now it has become an endurance contest and i don't think that serves the purposes that we are trying to serve. in terms of issues, we have plenty of issues. some were raised during this hearing and others we are working on. i see my friend, amy klobuchar here who is breaking ground in

antitrust and raising questions central to so many areas. i can just go around and there's sheldon, and i was looking for you, and same thing true -- every one of them. what i try to do on the sub committees to give resources and incentive to plow forward and take on issues that have not been touched on in a long time and they have not let me down and we have an exciting committee. >> reporter: along the same platform and lindsay graham -- >> symone, sorry i cut you off a minute ago. we were talking about how ketanji brown jackson, you know, said she did her best as a working mom and how that resinated with so many. i want to go back to the history being made here with this nominee and the representation that she will provide. what it means to look at the court and now see a black woman

on the supreme court? >> it's so important. i was sitting here listening as nina was saying how she and other women felt when the first woman justice was appointed -- confirmed and appointed to the supreme court. she said i can't identify but i can just imagine. let me go ahead and speak for all black women in america today saying we are extremely proud. when judge jackson was first announced as the president's pick, and there was a great "washington post" article about this, black women who were law students or people who had clerked and worked for judges, with this nomination and now this confirmation, a ceiling has been broken. there aren't a small number of black women who sit on the federal judiciary because there are not any qualified black women. on the temporary. there are women of color, asian

american, pacific islander women who are more than qualified, but people have to take the steps to put those who are qualified that may look differently than the folks who have come before them on the bench, and that's exactly what president biden did. this is a huge day for our country. i would be remissed if i did not remind people that the only people judge jackson is soon to be justice jackson, is because georgia voters elected two senators and without them the president would not have had the capacity, the numbers to get this justice confirmed. >> will they be running on that? >> you know, if i was advising the white house, which i am not, but hopefully people are watching this show, katy, and i think it would be political malpractice not to take the energy around this confirmation battle and around this

confirmation and use it to organize people this summer and fall. that's why there's expected to be an event at the white house tomorrow. judge jackson cannot be sworn in as justice jackson until justice breyer steps down, and he said only he would step down if his replacement was confirmed. now that judge jackson is confirmed, justice breyer will feel good about the retirement in june. tomorrow what you will see is some type of celebration around the commissioning status. you heard vice president harris talking about the white house will be notified, and that it was that official language i was talking about, when one is confirmed there's a commission, and it has to be signed by a number of people and the president in this instance is one of the people that signs the commission. i think you will see the white house take a victory lap around this issue, elevate it for the

historic moment that it is tomorrow and i will definitely be watching. >> shannon, let's allow politics to sneak into this conversation and i will ask what symone and i were just discussing, does the white house plan on using this for part of their pitch for democrats in the midterms? >> shannon, i know you did not hear that question. i will give it again. no worries. i know you were on the phone. will democrats -- will the white house be using this nomination, using this confirmation now, as their pitch in the midterms? >> they have been trying to do that, katy. if you remember back, the democratic strategists thought this was going to be one of mow moments where the democratic base could really rally behind something. there has been so much disgruntled talk about not getting the president's agenda accomplished, and there was hope this could be a little to give

the president a boost. so much has happened in the past two months. obviously the invasion of ukraine, inflation continuing, and we are seeing a little bit of resurgence in covid infections, so a lot has happened during that time where the president and the white house has not gotten that bump they were hoping to. as we get closer to the midterms, this is the type of thing the white house and president and democratic candidates are going to try and grab on to to remind people this is why you voted for us, this is why you put democrats in the white house and democrats in the senate. obviously this was a retirement, so there was a choice here but this could have been the scenario, where you had a republican in the white house, in a republican-controlled congress. there's a moment and opportunity, but when you look at what the most important issues are among voters right now, particularly among democratic voters, it continues

to be the economy, covid and of course, now, the conflict in ukraine rising to the surface. it's not supreme court or a lot of those issues the supreme court is going to be looking at. even abortion, that ranks low when you see the polls of the top concerns out there, katy. >> and back to the confirmation, paul butler. i would love to hear your final thoughts? >> we just witnessed history in the making, and there are a lot of people that remember the confirmation of the first black supreme justice, and some of us remember sandra day o'connor, and sonia sotomayor, and now after seven white male justices, an african american woman is finally joining the court. we still have a long way to go.

the court is getting closer to reflecting our country in its glorious diversity. >> nina, same question to you, please. >> well, i have to be somewhat tempered by what has happened to the confirmation process, which clearly is broken. you can't say that ketanji brown jackson was treated always respectfully by some members of the committee. senator lindsey graham now says if the republicans had been in control he would have urged them not to even allow a hearing for her. if that's where we have come to, if you have opposite parties controlling the senate and the white house that you can't get a nominee confirmed, we're in really bad shape in this country. one just hopes that at some point everybody steps back from the precipice and starts looking

at the crown jewel of our democracy which justice rehnquist observed, which is an independent judiciary, not a judiciary beholdened to any party. >> that's why lisa murkowski said she voted yes today. in her statement she was condemning the process and how partisan it has become. just to wrap this up, i would love to -- i will not say it as well as she did, but i want to read what we were talking about a little earlier, what ketanji brown jackson told her daughters on the day of her confirmation hearing. i am saving a special introduction to my daughters, and it has not been easy navigating the challenges of my career and motherhood and i fully admit i did not always get the balance right, but i hope you have seen with hard work,

determination and love, it can be done. i am so looking forward to seeing what each of you chooses to do with your amazing lives in this incredible country. i love you so much. again, judge ketanji brown jackson to her daughters. everybody, thank you so much for joining us on, again, this historic day, as judge ketanji brown jackson becomes a supreme court justice. coming up next, united nations votes to remove russia from the human rights council after allegations of war crimes in ukraine. what the mayor of mariupol just said about what's happening in his besieged city. you're probably thinking that these two are in some sort of lover's quarrel. no, no, no. they're both invested... in green energy. and also each other. digital tools so impressive,

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the prime minister urged his nato counterparts to provide his country with more weapons in brussels, belgium. in front of congress today, chairman of the joint chiefs, mark milley said the war will be long. >> i think winning in ukraine remains since 1991, and that's going to be very difficult and it's going to be a long slog. this is not an easy fight they are involved in. >> joining me from lviv, ukraine, ali. >> reporter: it has been devastating for weeks, katy. mariupol is the most bombed and most destroyed city in this war in ukraine. every day that passes by it seems to get worse and worse

there. there are over 150,000 people hemmed into that city. humanitarian aid can't get in. only a trickle of people get out every day. and it's unison to the spokesman saying they are determined to liberate mariupol from nationalists brigades, and by that he means the azov. and that is going to make the situation worse for that city every day that passes by. they have to go outside and burn their furniture to burn fuel for food. every account we hear and every story we hear from mariupol paints a more dire picture than the last one. we spoke to a lady that escaped mariupol two weeks ago, and we spoke to her today. let's take a listen to her account of what her city is

like. >> translator: i was living happily with my family. who gave the right to those barbarians to take our lives. i still don't know what has happened to my sister and nephew. they are still there. >> reporter: she very luckily, by fortune, managed to get out of palestinian sz. mariupol. she is in odesa. she thinks that will be the next target for the russians and her nerves can't take escaping from odesa to somewhere else for safety. it's a tragic account you hear from that city and many other places across the country. >> we are showing video from inside mariupol, and that's the last time we have gotten inside mariupol on the ground level, and that was after the hospital

was shelled by the russians. we showed that image of a woman on a stretcher -- not this one, that pregnant woman on the stretcher, that iconic and tragic image of the war, and that woman a few days after that died along with her baby. the baby did not make it in childbirth and she died as well. it is horrific. we are hearing even more stories about hospitals getting shelled and 50 people being burned alive. it's just terrible. you mentioned the spokesperson for the kremlin. sky news had an exclusive interview with him, and we just want to play you the sound from that and the blatant way that the russians are just not being honest about what we're seeing. >> the hospital was a fake. the hospital was a fake.

we have very serious reasons to believe it was a fake. we insist on that. we're living in during the days of fakes. fakes and lies. the situation in bucha is staged and nothing else. we are seeing dead bodies there, and those dead bodies there were not a victim of the russian military personnel. >> it is outrageous. i am not there, ali, and i am seeing the images as they come in. you are there. tell me what the reality is. tell me the truth. >> the reality is this has been an unflinching horrendous violent attack on the ukrainian people for 43 days now. it has been an unrelenting attack that bombs cities, towns

villages, and you see the reality of what is happening in bucha. those are not actors in bucha. those people are lying there in pools of blood, and there are torturebucha. and it's very interesting, katy. a couple of nights ago i saw a report on russian television, one of their main newscasters who may have been at one time or another respected newscasters in russia. and they were showing the pictures of bucha and they were saying look this bears all the hallmarks of british intelligence, they know how to fake bodies and put them in positions to look like they've been killed and this is all fake blood. so this campaign of disinformation is really only for domestic consumption in russia because nobody else is buying what the russians are saying. the reality on the ground is very clear to see. we've seen what happened. we've spoken to witnesses. we've spoken to independent bodies. this is what's happening here. this is a brutal attack on the ukrainian people. and what's more than that, the

russians from day one have made very little distinction between military targets and the civilians of this country. so these are war crimes being committed. when you're trying to siege and surround cities like mariupol in some medieval campaign, that's a war crime. starving people there, let alone executing people in their front yard in front of their wives, raping children. it is -- it's chilling to hear peskov talk like that because he knows that's not true. we all know that's not true. so it is very chilling how somebody can be so cold and calculating. >> the ease with which he lies. ali arouzi. ali, thank you very much. and coming up next, we're going to come to a domestic story. they impersonated federal agents and were getting away with it. what did they do? and how they were found out. okay, snacks and popcorn are gonna be expensive. let's just accept that. going to the movies can be a lot

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what were these men doing? >> well, we're all asking the same basic questions. who, what, and why. so first, katy, who. who exactly were these defendants? who funded this expensive operation? luxury. condos in d.c. including a penthouse going to multiple

agents, including secret service and reportedly a dhs agent. who were they working for? let's go to the next question. what? what was the objective here? was this all about compromising federal agents? paying them off? supplying resources to them to do what, exactly? so what's the mission? we don't have any clue here. but the fact that they've compromised agents that are close or inside the white house including reportedly the first lady's security detail, extremely disturbing. it doesn't get any closer to the president than that. and then finally, why? why would secret service agents and other federal agents fall for this? is this simply greed or is there something broken at the secret service or other agencies wherein this kind of thing seems to keep happening to them including being the subject of a book by carol leonnig who's talked about the issues in the service. we need lots of answers here. i don't think this is going to stop with two arrests for

impersonating a federal agent. i think there are serious security concerns that i don't think this is over. >> what you're seeing are images of the two men. ariane teherzade who's 40 years old. and ali who's 35. they have all the gear. how were they found? >> this is interesting. a mail carrier was allegedly assaulted in that building. here comes the u.s. postal inspection service, which by the way they're great investigators. they start asking these two defendants, hey, why was our guy assaulted here? why did the mailman or mail person get assaulted? and they had the audacity to tell the investigators, hey, we're federal agents, special police service. and so the postal inspectors checked it out. they go that doesn't exist. and that starts unraveling this whole operation. >> that is wild. frank figliuzzi, thank you so much. again, we're going to wait to see what else comes out of this story because it seems there's a lot more than what we currently

know. frank, thank you very much. and that's going to do it for me today. hallie jackson picks up our coverage next. today. hallie jackson picks up our coverage next.

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