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for every business... and every person... to come to the table and do more incredible things. good friday morning. i'm peter alexander here in washington. we are following a number of important stories over the course of the next two hours. right now as we speak the death toll is still rising in eastern ukraine. officials there now confirm at least 50 civilians are dead including five children with nearly 100 others being rushed to nearby hospitals after a pair of rockets slammed into a train station. nbc news has so far been unable to independently verify the reported death toll and injuries. ukraine blames russia, but russia's military is denying the attack. and the u.s. embassy in kyiv notes the station is a known hub
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for civilian evacuations, a key escape route and says the attack is one more atrocity committed by russia and vladimir putin inside ukraine. the horror of that attack etched into the face of this policeman. you see him there captured in a haunting photo. he is on the ground crying in the wake of that assault. ukraine as president, vladimir zelenskyy condemning the attack calling it an evil that has no limits. some of zelenskyy's strongest words yet blasting russian troops as, quote, non-humans. and in a newly released interview in "60 minutes" zelenskyy outlines the war.
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>> this right was given to me by god. it's my right. >> what did you see in bucha? >> death. just death. >> the british defense ministry says russian forces have, quote, fully withdrawn from northern ukraine, to belarus and to russia. i want to start with that railway attack. this chilling report was just filed in the aftermath. the details here and some of the images you're going to see are very disturbing. >> we have just arrived in the center of kramatorsk. it's desserted now. so it's a few hours ago. i'm going to pull out of the way. you can see what's left of the missile here now. it's basically on a patch of grass outside of the train
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station. it's large. it looks like a ballistic missile. what we think has happened is that it has exploded in the air over this area because it has distributed explosives throughout this area in multiple locations, seemingly randomly. i'm going to ask my colleague just to focus on the words on the side of that missile. it means "for children" or "for the children." 39 people we know have been killed. four of those are children themselves. the station manager here said she thought more than a hundred were injured. we're alternatively hearing that some 300 people have been injured as well. what we don't know is whether this missile exploded above the airspace above the station or whether it was brought down by
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some sort of anti-rocket or anti-missile system. let's go over to the station. it has caused really terrible damage. horrific damage. largely to the people who are waiting here. everybody knows this was a train station. it's big, it's multiple platforms. everybody knows that it has been used over the last couple of days to get tens of thousands of people in eastern ukraine out of here. and they come here, they come to this station because getting the train is the safest way to get out of eastern ukraine. there were thousands of people like we were here monday and tuesday, there were thousands of people here in the morning as well. we were heard alternatively 2,000 to 4,000. men between 18 and 60 are not allowed to leave. you can see damage here.
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the explosives from that missile have dropped here. just remember that there will have been hundreds of people queueing up to get inside the train station. we've seen it. and they will -- they would have been killed, a lot of them. terrible damage here. you can see people have brought their packed lunches here. they would have been queueing up to get into the booking hall. i should tell you the police came, the ambulance, the fire service, the emergency services came very quickly, and those injured have been taken to hospital now. bodies have been removed, but what i think we're going to find here is luggage in the baggage hold. there's a lot of luggage here that has been left. we've been here for about five
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or ten minutes. we've heard people's phones ringing in the bags, obviously relatives very worried about their loved ones. they don't know where they are. some of the bags are damaged. and we've seen people come in. this one gentleman there now, he can see his mother's bag but he can't get ahold of his mother himself. there we are. he's asking for his mother's bag. i spoke to him briefly before we came to air and he said that his mother's not picking up the phone, he doesn't have the money to get to the local hospital. some policemen here as well. should we go outside on to the platform? we're going to keep going out to the platform here. again, parts of that missile, explosive content in that missile landed here by the train tracks. again, i don't want to go too close because there is blood. but, again, you can see the
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damage that it has left. people dropped their possessions. there's water, there's personal things. fruit. apples people have brought for the journey. the cap. everything that people needed to -- to look after themselves on the journey to lviv, the city in western ukraine, because that is where people wanted to go. there was a couple of trains per day come to lviv, and actually the explosives have damaged a train standing out there on one of the tracks. it's now desserted. there are thousands and thousands of people have been queueing up to get on these trains and now obviously it's
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completely shut the station down. i should say there was a missile strike about 30 kilometers here at a town called barvinkove. they've already had trouble getting people out of here. not too far from here, about 30 kilometers away. we heard this morning that the railway authorities had found a way to get the evacuation trains out despite the damage in this town. this is altogether on a different scale. i don't know where it will leave the evacuation, this general evacuation going on. the governor of this region has been saying for a couple of weeks now he wants everybody to get out both for their personal safety and because he expects this major russian offensive, which is not very far away from here at the moment. he expects to put it -- matter of factly, he expects to be in the city of kramatorsk and
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another city nearby, he expects them to be at the heart of fighting and he doesn't want them here for safety and doesn't want them in the way of his troops as well. the russian state media has already claimed that the ukrainians have fired on themselves. i think that is highly, highly unlikely. i think that has very, very little credibility, but the ukrainian army and the reserves, they would draw people from this community, from kramatorsk. it just begs the question would people fire on themselves? would they fire on their friends, their family? it's just highly, highly unlikely. and there will be an investigation. i'm sure there has to be an investigation here because this would qualify as a war crime under the geneva conventions. this is an attack on civilians, clearly an attack on civilians.
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everybody knew what was happening at this train station. tens of thousands of people have passed through here. we can go to another section if you want to stick with us. okay, let's just go over to another side of the station. it gives you an idea of how the explosives from this rocket, from this missile dropped in different locations around the station itself. you can see some of the windows have been -- some of the windows have been broken. there are shrapnel holes in the walls. powerful, powerful blast. and it must have been absolutely terrifying. i mean, there will have been thousands of people at the station. i mean, when we were here, we saw hundreds of people here on benches, standing with their bags, waiting for the trains to come. you know, slightly competitive really to try and get on these trains there's so many people trying to get out.
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there's not enough seats on each individual train for the people who queue up. you can see there would have been people sitting here waiting, completely unaware of what was about to happen. again, it's the same thing. possessions that have been left. i can see fruit, apples, water, stuff that people have brought for the journey, anybody would bring for a long journey and it is a long journey to lviv. there's also blood. there's a small crater here you can see. probably where the explosives hit, punched a small hole in the platform. again, some broken windows as well. must have been terrifying for the people who were here. it is now desserted. we spoke to the station manager. she said those people who were
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able left very quickly and it is absolutely desserted now. a few ukrainian soldiers here, a few people who belong to the railway. this will have significantly set back the evacuation efforts going on here. and they were in full swing. they've been in full swing for the whole week. i think tens of thousands of people will have passed through here since sunday or monday. an absolute disaster here. our first look on the ground at the horror that is today's biggest headline from there. you heard john just mention that 39 people had died in that attack. since he filed that report a short time ago, the governor from that region of ukraine said that 50 people have died, five of them were children. nbc news cannot verify those numbers.
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the horrors of bucha, now you can add kramatorsk to that roster of ravaged communities, towns, cities all being destroyed. will these images ever change the west's calculus? >> well, look, you know, will it change on a dime as a result of one of these events? maybe not. but i do think there is an accumulated effect. i mean, those images are shocking in a new and different way. you know, the russians have become grotesquely creative, it seems, in ways in which they can terrorize civilians and shock the conscience of the outside world. i don't -- i don't expect that you will see, you know, in the next 24, 48 hours a dramatic new escalation in western economic and military response to russia, but i do think it will accelerate the timeline of
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things like, for instance, the possibility of further clamp downs on russian energy exports in particular. you know, i think there's a question of what the appetite for the west will be to restrict its consumption of russian oil and this would make a difference in that regard. >> you wrote how the ukrainian foreign minister there while at nato was filled with rage and grief and saying outsiders could not understand what was happening. zelenskyy cannot call it an evil that has no limits, he says if it is not punished, it will never stop. what more are nato leaders open to doing? they're willing to provide defensive weapons, no offensive weapons and beyond that it is focused on sanctions. >> it is focused on sanctions
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but quite a lot of equipment is going. nato officials are very choi coy. you can't pin them down on what they think will be the line, which if they cross, could provoke some major response from putin we haven't seen. by now we were expecting some things from putin he hasn't done. there was talk of cyber attacks and possibly even a nuclear weapon if his forces were in retreat. this is tragic in so many ways, among them is the understandable fury ukrainians are feeling now is going to make it difficult to con sued a peace agreement with the mugss. there's going to be a pretty understandable blood lust, desire for revenge. it going to be really hard for zelenskyy to sign a document that makes big concessions to the russians because people essentially will want revenge understandably.
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so that's the added tragedy you have to think about, which is why we're hearing increased pessimism between the status of the negotiations between the russians and ukrainians. michael crowley, thanks very much for your time. we'll have much more. in just about an hour from right now, president biden, kamala harris and judge ketanji brown jackson will all speak outside the white house on the south lawn about her historic confirmation to the supreme court. we will take you there with a preview and look at how judge jackson's confirmation could help the white house try to energize its democratic base. that's all next.
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will join president biden day after the senate voted 53-47 to confirm her to the supreme court, becoming of course the first black woman on the nation's highest court. vice president harris will be speaking as well today. i want to bring in jeff bennett and campaign manager for obama's 2012 reelection campaign. jeff, let's start with you. you're on the grounds, as they say. we saw some pictures from the south lawn. they got a lot of chairs lined up. they're expecting a big crowd there with a long list of invitations today. what do we expect to see during this event coming up in the next hour? >> i can hear the military band practicing for this event on the south lawn. i think you can expect at that hear from president biden and vice president harris that they will mark the moment, that in
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the history of the supreme court, as it has interpreted law for all americans to include black women, not until now, not until this moment has it ever had the voice of a black woman sitting on that bench. judge jackson won't take her seat on the bench until june or july at the end of the term when justice breyer retires, but it is a seminal, watershed moment. and i expect the white house, the president and vice president, will also hear from jackson herself. >> and notably white men for the first time will no longer mark the majority of the court. there will be four women there, almost parity on the bench. and he shared a letter to
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daughter. how much is the white house sort of investing in this sentiment being something that's felt across the country and helps sort of motivate americans, supporters of joe biden to recognize some of the differences he's already made in this term? >> i think a lot. undergirding this is a promise kept for president biden. quickly the back story behind senator warnock writing the note, it was vice president harris to handed blank sheets of letter to senator warnock and senator butcher and senator warnock chose to write one to his daughter. >> a powerful moment that struck our eye, that caught our eye
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this morning. i had a brief chance to talk to your former boss, president obama, when he was at the white house with president biden today. i asked him what he would tell democrats who were worried about the mid terms? he said to me, we've got a story to tell, we've just got to tell it. right now joe biden's numbers approval-rating wise about 40%. there was home this ketanji brown jackson would serve as a reset of sorts. why do you think that's not happening? >> traditionally they've had trouble making supreme court fights into salient political issues. as geoff points out, the historic nature of justice jackson's confirmation, of how important this is to such an important community, especially african-american women who are the bedrock of the democratic party in the united states. and the second is it is likely in the end of june we're going
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to have watershed supreme court moment on roe v. wade. those two could change politics and remind americans how important these moments are. joe biden made a promise during the election and followed through. >> how big, jim, is the court as a motivator for democrats? notably we heard yesterday from the senate minority leader, mitch mcconnell, refusing to hold hearings if there is another vacancy, even conceivably next year in 2023. >> and you saw this morning chuck schumer and the democrats senatorial campaign committee started running ads talking about mcconnell's statement and how important these supreme court fights are in some of these seats. you have open seats in some of the most contentious and purple states in the country, like
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pennsylvania, like ohio. you have a big race in wisconsin. and the court could be a very important motivational issue for democrats in these seats. it's an issue that democrats need right now. so i think these things and mitch mcconnell sort of played into that yesterday when he refused to commit to letting the president name a supreme court justice, which is what he did to president obama. and i don't think democrats have forgotten this and i think it a very big political moment. >> and, jeff, notably notably, be different for ketanji brown jackson when she is sworn in, she has a little bit of a pause there. is there something to be read into that? perhaps it gives her a moment to digest all of this and be prepared for what is an historic undertaking? >> it's fairly remarkable. i would imagine the last six
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weeks have been the busiest of judge jackson's life. now she's faced with what will basically be a three-month wait to fill the vacancy left by justice breyer's retirement. she could use this time to be intentional in finding law clerks. she could take a vacation. she will keep her current seat here in washington. i'm told she will likely not take new cases given the potential the cases could come on the supreme court on which she would soon sit and then she would have to be in a position of recusing herself. she'll be a justice in waiting. the last few nominee who had been confirmed had only a matter of days before they found themselves sitting on the bench. this could in many ways be the
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new normal, where a president when he has a majority in the senate will try to confirm a nominee has quickly as possible, no matter how long the way that will be facing that ultimate nominee. >> and the support of three senate republicans these days viewed as a major achievement for a bipartisan confirmation. thank you both so much. this morning new details of conversations between the defense secretary lloyd auston and ukraine's minister of defense. when we know about that and the weapons that ukraine is now asking for. all of that is next only on "andrea mitchell reports." tchel" t they can redeem rewards for a second honeymoon. romance is in the air. like these two. he's realizing he's in love. and that his dating app just went up. must be fate. and phil. he forgot a gift, so he's sending the happy couple some money. digital tools so impressive, you just can't stop banking.
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this morning defense secretary lloyd auston spoke with ukraine's minister of defense about ukraine's military needs, what they want right now according to the pentagon. it is the second time that the two men have spoken this week. the ukrainian minister recently making a plea for more modern weapons. he says the easy-to-use soviet style weapons they've been using are often in poor condition and simply running out of ammunition. we want to bring in courtney
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kube. first, you have new information within the last couple of minutes about what exactly hit, what missile struck that train station in the eastern part of the country. what are you learning? >> that's right, peter. a couple of enough pieces of information. one is on that tragic attack on the rail station, a senior defense official said that was a russian-fired short range ballistic missile and it was fired from inside ukraine. it's not exactly clear yet. the defense official said they're trying to figure out what the munition was. they're confident that analysis was that that it was in fact a short range ballistic missile. and on the ongoing efforts to get more and more equipment into the ukrainians, peter, this senior defense official said there are now between eight and ten planes landing every single day in the area around ukraine to flow that equipment directly into the ukrainian military.
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it's been a really herculean effort on the part of many of the allies to get this equipment in to them. at least on the part of the united states from the time of the draw down authority, an approval to provide that to ukraine, from the time it is signed until it gets no the hands of the ukrainian military can be as little as four to six days. much faster than what we're used to seeing here. another piece of news on this ongoing effort to get very important equipment to the ukrainian military, slovakian announced they're providing an s-300, an anti-missile defense system, very important, especially in most likely this next phase of the fight there in ukraine in the east and in the southeastern part of the country. we now know also according to the senior defense official that the u.s. is going to provide a
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patriot battery to the slovakians so that they can sort of back fill, so they won't have a risk to their own homeland defense. it will be moving from poland into slovakia in the coming days. secretary of defense lloyd auston ordered to have that moved from germany to poland so it would be there ready to send into slovakia in a very short order. it will be there temporarily, manned by the u.s. military as the u.s. and slovakian government work on a longer term patriot system or something there so that the slovakian military and slovakian government has that back fill on the longer-term scale, peter. >> those patriot missile systems are not being provided to ukraine at this time. he said they're capable of using more complex western weapons. he said the weapons would be a
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systemic solution, not a short-term one. what do you make of that argument and that assessment? >> well, i think it's remarkable just listening to courtney detail the movement of one patriot. it's hard for me to remember any conflict that we've covered at the pentagon, courtney and i for all these years where they talked about individual weapon systems, one patriot here, a certain number of javelin and missiles here. it just underscores the importance of how delicate western aid into ukraine is and there's still concern about the the reaction of russia. would russia somehow leap frog ukraine and attack one of these other donating countries for giving them the arms they're using. and it's important to find out that ukraine is asking for and i think the pentagon said they're giving or considering longer range air defenses. so the capabilities offered are
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increasing as the war goes on. the ground report is that the russians are pulling their troops out in the north and becoming more active in the donbas and there and the south will be where the battle is. yesterday that's what the rn battle will be so the weapons going into the battle are crucial. so it not surprising to hear the same song, give us more weapons. it's not as easy as just handing over a system with an operational manual. these are quite complex weapons that often involve or require joint war fighting, coordination between air and ground. so it's just not as easy as handing them over. >> with no time to train up some of these forces there, too, because the urgency right now is immediate. you had a chance to interview the nato secretary-general about
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these weapons. what did he tell you? >> reporter: that's right, peter. they are in a very complicated and complex situation as the nato alliance. listen in to what the secretary-general of nato said that basically the ukrainians can reasonably expect. >> our allies are providing a wide range of different weapons, also older era systems and also modern and advanced systems and heavier and lighter weapons. >> the key is this is beyond the soviet weapons they're receiving. we're talking about new weapons, modern weapons and it's something that was meant to send a message directly to moscow, that this is not a fight that's not only going to be continuing but one that the nato members are essentially backing very
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strongly. ukraine, it's not something we haven't heard from them before. i also spoke with ukraine's foreign minister in the last hour and he said this was incredibly significant because it was a move from nato members, and we saw the czech republic being the first nato member to be the first to say we're going to send tanks to ukraine. there is an upstick in support but we're talking about different countries with competing agendas. we saw the eu members earlier in the week saying they were going to essentially and there's oil, gas, main exports for the russian economy. 40% of their budget has been made up of those exports in previous years and this is a major, major point of contention for these eu nations and eu nations of course are nato
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members. >> oil no doubt funding this awful war we're witnessing. in light of atrocities we're seeing in bucha and in train stations, are you hearing any private assessments that we may be approaching some point where it starts -- the world community starts providing that ended previously written off. any better sense of where that line is? and i think the worry is that russia could still do thing overnight. they can attack we're not even talking about ukraine attacking russian ships. i mean, naval, you know, born attacks. it's still very much a ground war with long-range fires. it's a limited kind of conflict. and there's -- you know, you never heard anything out of the
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white house that they want to do anything more to draw nato in a conflict with russian soldiers. one of the assessments from the british defense intelligence agency this morning, they put out these wonderful little one-and-two line updates. the latest that i saw said it estimated it would take the russians more than a week to regroup those forces from the north, to even and that's how bad they have been at replenishing those kinds of forces. it's still something that it seems like the ukrainians have been managing to handle with the sport in the west behind them. >> that timetable adding to the urgency to provide those weapons to the ukrainians.
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affect that getting done or what's getting done on the hill there. how does it impact other parts of the way our government is functioning right now? >> both house and senate being out couldn't have come at a better time since this wave seems to be picking up steam. a lot of these congressional delegation trips overseas like speaker pelosi was supposed to go to japan and taiwan. that will have to be rescheduled. there were our trips planned to ukraine to the war zone region that we're having to watch to see if that is still very fresh in my mind, as i'm sure it is in yours. the senate, in a 50/50 senate, there is no proxy voting in the senate as there is in the house. so a single democratic senator being out can stop any agenda items from moving forward as long as there's unified
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quote, i'm not responsible for his terrible actions. that's from one woman doing everything she can to help ukrainians fleeing russia's deadly attacks. in budapest with her story. >> reporter: what can you do for ukrainian refugees when it's your country that invaded theirs? the answer for anastasia, a russian living in hungary is to spend every waking moment trying to help. she was in moscow the day the war started. >> i was absolutely crushed. absolutely crushed. it's a terrible feeling to see something happening like this and you cannot stop it. >> reporter: since then she's found refuge for more than 200 ukrainians, offering them shelters in hostiles like this, sourcing apartments for them to stay in and even converting
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hormuzition husband's music studio. do you feel responsibility to help because you're from russia? >> i'm not responsible for his terrible actions but there was a terrible mistake somewhere along the way. and i feel all my talents, all i have, all my abilities should be used only in helping to resolve this crisis. >> reporter: one desperate call came from an ibf doctor, fleeing russia 's assault on kharkiv. >> you're in your apartment between two walls because all the time is bombing. >> reporter: every day she checks a web cam to see if her home has been destroyed. and it's still there. still standing for now. for caughtia, a stranger's phone number, a lifeline in a moment of desperation. >> i don't know what to do. she said come here. >> reporter: she arrived to find a room waiting when she needed it most and a friend speaking
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her mother tongue. only then learning her new friend was russian. was it a surprise to learn that the person helping you was from russia? >> it was very interesting feeling. but when i saw her, all of this doubts just went away because. and like exactly what we needed. >> i can't read her mind or anyone's mind. i don't know what's happening in these seconds when people are thinking about me being from moscow. >> reporter: as we were packing to leave, good news by email. >> i got a visa. >> reporter: that's incredible. she can't stop putin's invasion but she can help provide refuge in the storm. a chance for families to regroup and begin to rebuild. >> our thanks to nbc's ralph sanchez for that reporting. more evidence of the power of one person. and in about 20 minutes, we expect the white house eis vent
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celebrating judge ketanji brown jackson's supreme court conformation to get underway. there's a live picture from the south lawn. the temperature in the 60s. and hundreds expected to gather together, some already there. we're going to bring you that live in our next hour of coverage. it's right after this break. 's . ? they're banking, with bank of america. look at this guy. he bought those tickets on his credit card and he's rackin' up the rewards. she's using zelle to pay him back for the hot dogs he's about to buy. and the announcer? he's not checkin' his stats, he's finding some investing ideas with merrill. and third as you know in baseball means three. digital tools so impressive, you just can't stop banking. what would you like the power to do?
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this is "andrea mitchell reports." i'm peter alexander filling in for andrea. within minutes history maker and barrier breaker. at the white house, president biden will host judge ketanji brown jackson for her celebration. the first black woman confirmed by the supreme court. we're going to take you live minutes from now. >> and deadly rocket strikes in the train station in the eastern part of that country. a warning the images are quite graphic. the death tole, we're learning is rising. at least 50 including children are dead. president zelenskyy saying they were ukrainians waiting to be evacuated. but first, to judge ketanji brown jackson's conformation to the supreme court. history on the high court. and joining me is chief white house correspondent and my "weekend
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