without a doubt. he still is the one. that's all for now. i'm natalie morales. thanks for watching. welcome to the show. i'm zerlina maxwell. the rampup that officials warned in ukraine seems to have arrived. a russian missile strike on a crowded train station in the country's donetsk region friday morning killed at least 50 people and wounded roughly 90 more. ukrainian officials say thousands have been using that train station to flee the region in recent days, and they

estimate 4,000 people were doing so. right at the time of the strike. including many women and children. ukraine has decried the attack as deliberate slaughter, and is accusing russia of quote destroying the civilian population. russian, russia meanwhile has denied that it was behind the strike, and is again accusing ukraine of staging the entire thing. by many account, ukraine overperformed in the first phase of this war, but as russia regroups and refocuses its strategy on ukraine's south and east, there are concerns that a more brutal onslaught could be ahead. the president of ukraine laid out the stakes in an interview for "60 minutes." >> we are defending the ability of a person to live in the modern world. they say we're defending western values, and i always say, well, what are western values? someone who lives in the united

states or europe, do they not like children? do they not want their children to go to university? do they not want their grandfather to live for 100 years? we have the same values. we are defending the right to live. i never thought this right was so costly. these are human values. so that russia doesn't choose what we should do and how i'm using my rights. that right was given to me by god. and my parents. >> joining me now is jeff, a former kgb sleeper agent and jack, ukraine is fighting for its right to live as russia leaves behind civilian corpses in cities all over the country that has occupied, as we learn about these atrocities that are taking place, do you think that vladimir putin is behaving as if he's losing this war, or was this mass level of brutality against the civilian population,

the strategy from the beginning? >> more of the same. it started out that way. he is targeting civilians. and that was his m.o. also in syria. he's trying to literally scare the population into possibly, you know, overthrowing their president. it's not going to work. it's going to deepen the hatred that they already have for the russians. this hatred will outlast our generation, and the next generation. so i'm afraid, i'm afraid that this war is going to go on for a long time. >> in terms of a long time, i mean you're saying if vladimir putin's m.o., and i want to show you a picture of one of the missiles, the ukrainian officials say that it had the phrase, for the children, spray painted on it, in russian, of course, moscow denies, that they deny most of these things, if that is true, and this has been

his m.o. from the beginning, do you think that also the targeting and the brutality against the civilian population is something that will persist for a long time as well? >> yes, they don't care, missiles in a certain direction, and at worst, they're actually aiming, we don't really know this for sure. and the words, i don't have any words to describe the horror that i can see there. and it's very comparable to what the nazis did to, in world war ii. >> when you compare it to what we've seen previously in world war ii, why do you think it's similar? what are the similarities you see? >> well, the complete disregard for human life. when hitler withdrew from the soviet union, the tactic was destroy everything, including, you know, human, civilian

survivors, on their way back, and this is just, and this is raw evil that is coming to the forefront, and it isn't just vladimir putin, he doesn't pull the trigger, this is a lot of his troops, his generals and soldiers, it's horrendous. >> in terms of the losses that have been experienced by russia itself, sky news, or a kremlin spokesperson, in an interview with sky news, for the first time acknowledged that russia has suffered quote significant losses of troops. how does that factor into the brutality we're seeing, coming from russia, as vladimir putin and the folks in the kremlin and in the leadership try to look at the loss that they experienced giving that everyone thought going into this would be quick and russia would be victorious in a matter of weeks and they haven't been.

>> it will exacerbate their behavior. you understand russia is ruled from the very top from fear. so that fear goes all the way down. and we're talking about existential fear. i'm wondering, that person who admitted the losses to sky news, i'm wondering what's going to happen to him. >> in terms of the migration program, we saw today and we reported at the top that the train station was a pathway for folks to get out, right? it was supposed to be a safe passage for people fleeing, the head of ukraine's railway system noted that russia seemed to be doing whatever it can to disrupt the migration programs of civilians, what does russia gain from holding ukraine citizens hostage and targeting them with missile strikes? >> if they really gain something, that is questionable, but they think again, they're trying to increase the fear amongst the ukrainian civil

population, and as i said, it hasn't worked, but this is like russia is on a one-way street. putin is a one-way street. he doesn't know how to turn back. >> that's really important to understand the theme, i sense from our conversation, is terror and fear are the top line things to consider as we see this brutality increase and continue. jack, thanks so much for starting us off today, and please stay safe. coming up, making history. i will talk to an all-star panel of black americans about the historic vote confirming judge ketanji brown jackson to the u.s. supreme court. that's after this break. ourt that's after this break. and i live in ro beach, florida. my wife and i have three children. ruthann and i like to hike. we eat healthy. we exercise. i noticed i wasn't as sharp as i used to be. my wife introduced me to prevagen

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the united states is about to get our first ever black woman supreme court justice and that's in the court's 233-year history. the senate, 53-47 vote thursday, to confirm judge ketanji brown jackson was announced by vice president kamala harris, the first black person and first woman to hold that office. jackson's senate supporters then stood to applaud while some republican senators, well, they just walked out. friday, the white house held a ceremony on the south lawn to

celebrate jackson's historic nomination, and its amazing moment in american history. joining us to discuss christina grere, associate professor at fordham university and, professor at johns hopkins university, and just watching the confirmation moment with president biden at the white house, i was so struck by the images showing so many emotions seeming to cross her face, like hope, excitement, maybe even a sense of the weight of the duties that she is taking on as soon to be sworn in, now confirmed justice on the supreme court, judge jackson, and then there's the letter senator warnock wrote to his daughter on vice president harris's stationery saying she is the first supreme court justice to look like you with hair like yours. oh, my goodness. lay out how you're processing this confirmation and what do you think it means for black women and girls? >> it is an historic moment. and i really am processing it to

the point that i can't put it into words. i remember when, you know, kamala harris came and she said that this is now confirmed, i just broke down into tears. and i feel like it's the feeling that many black women had, where we had so much emotion watching her hearing but we it to temper that. and it was also a sigh of relief for all of us, a moment we could show our emotion, because as black women, we are policed about our emotion and the mother of a black girl, it is an historic moment but aside from the history of it, let's us speak to the facts here, the facts are, this justice is one of the most qualified ever. but when you look at the final numbers, you know, you mentioned there earlier, 53-47, then you look at the justice that is is replacing who is justice breyer whose voting was i believe 68-31, she is more qualified

than him. but it is a testament that as black women, we have to do twice as much to get half. but let us not forget that she is more than qualified for this position, it's not because she's black that she got here, everything ha she has earned, she has earned it, it was never given to her and that is what is a testament of this nomination, and this confirmation. >> it's so funny that people always say, like, oh, you only got the job because you're black, or you only got into the school because you're black, or you only got this particular nomination because you're black, no, no, no, you didn't get it because you were black, it was twice as hard because you were black and you're black because you're excellent and christina, one of the things i think a lot of what wendy said about how we always have to temper our emotion, i think about this 24 hours a day because basically my whole day is spent trying to make sure that i don't come across as angry, because everybody assumes that is who i am, and who black women are,

because of stereotypes, and you wrote an article, that the confirmation is a time to quote reflect and rejoice. talk about the reflection that we're all doing about what she had to go through during the confirmation hearing and the way she was able to clearly moderate her emotions and not get angry in the face of attacks but also how we should rejoice in this moment. >> yes, i mean the reflection is, these are people who are calling to see justice jackson's lsat scores, right? they wanted to all of a sudden go into harvard, with two degrees from harvard, now that's a negative and similar to what wendy was saying, we have a collective ptsd as black women witnessing how judge jackson was denigrated by men who couldn't hold a candle to her cv in any capacity, and she had to sit there and accept it and take it and present herself as the sort of middle of the road tempered

woman, because she's also, you know, you have to remember, the significance of the gender piece as well, but as a black woman, to sit there and have men question her qualifications and her credibility. i wanted to just sit with, you know, as i put in the article, what the first federal judge in the history of the nation had to go through, appointed by lbj when he was president, i wanted to think about shirley, when she ran for the presidency in 1972, and couldn't get the support of black plen or white women. and -- black men or white women. and i wanted to rejoice, as wendy said, we know that there's so many black women who support black women, so as i mentioned in the piece, seeing lisa fair fax stand there and defend but also contextualize her good friend, i wanted to rejoice in the fact that yes, this is an historic moment, for our very young nation, but over two centuries, and then honestly,

you know, really thinking about her parents, and our parents, who got to witness this, and thinking about the sacrifices that many of our grandparents never got to witness, and knowing all of the hard work that not just judge jackson went through, but all of us collectively as black women, she serves as a symbol of the hard work that all of us have gone through to get to these upper echelons and what we still have to do to prove that we deserve to be there, because just as you and wendy and i know very well, they're not giving these degrees to black girls, they're not giving these acceptances to black women in these elite space, especially ivy league spaces so all of a sudden these jobs are going to black women, show me where because we just sent the first the black -- set the first black woman in the history of the nation so clearly that is not the case. we know we have deficits when it comes to cabinet positions and fortune 500 positions and women and black women are excluded

because of gender and race, and this is another day of a black woman succeeding and she did so with the support of other black women. >> i love that. and wendy, one of the things that i think about is how young children are watching this moment in american history, not just adult black women, you're a parent, what do you think it meant to your kids, to young black children, to see judge jackson be confirmed but also to see the reaction of all of us, the parents, reflecting and rejoicing to christina's point, about the history being made in this moment? >> i think it means a lot to children. you know, really i've been on your show a while now and sometimes we think that kids don't notice, but they do and they pay attention to everything we say and they pay attention to our emotions and pay attention to our reaction, and for my children, my daughter was home when this happened actually, one of her comments was look at her hair, they showed justice

jackson, in the white house, and they showed her, you know, beside biden and she said it casually, not really lacking the understanding the historic moment of it because she is only two and a half years old but she noticed her hair. and i think that is so important. and that's when i took to my twitter and how amazing i can tell my children i witnessed the first black president, i witnessed the first black woman vice president, and now, i am witnessing the first black woman to be on the supreme court, and that's an historic moment and all i could sum it up by saying what a time to be alive. so many of our ancestors couldn't even put together what this moment would mean and as a parent i'm so blessed and almost beside myself that i can witness, this and to be able, to i'm looking for the day when i am 80 years old and i can sit in my rocking chair and tell my kids where i was for each of these historic moments because it's history because i think it propels future generations to

want to do more, because they see how much it has impacted us, that they will not be rejoicing in the first, anymore, because this will no longer be something that is abnormal but this will be something that is normal for them. >> i love that, in terms of the next generation, christina, it's clear that this is history coming at a time where it's needed, right? because so many of the issues, whether they be the threats to our democracy, the racial reckoning, from 2020, the civil rights issues that are in front of the supreme court, right now, and in terms of the ideological makeup of the court, she doesn't shift the balance, but how important do you think it is in the last few minutes here that this representation and this, the three liberal justices, all are women, by the way, how important do you think that is in this particular moment in american history? >> well, we're still basically in a 6-3 court, and you know,

the issues that are coming before the court are of great concern, not just for women, not just for people of color, immigrants, that everyone should be concerned. but this representation does matter. if you can see it, you can be it, and we know the more people who can see justice jackson, they might think about law school in a different way, they might think of district level courts or appellate level courts and that's really important. as far as the substantive conversations i'm hoping that the temperament of justice jackson will help some of her colleagues see the importance of some of these issues. i don't know if she will necessarily be able to sway them. but we know that the more and more people who are on the court, making different arguments and opinion, and you know that better than anyone, hopefully some of her colleagues who have been persuaded on particular issues in the past can hear a new voice, and possibly think about the future of our democracy in a different way. >> i hope it inspires a whole generation of lawyers, i know

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parties where prostitutes were hired, facing un -- criticism based on stereotypes passed over for promotions bationed on their gender and also being pushed out for complaining about discrimination. joining me now is msnbc legal analyst and former prosecutor. help us understand what exactly these attorneys general are accusing the nfl of, and what they have the power to do if the league actually doesn't get its act together? >> yes, so what the attorney generals are basically saying is hey, nfl, you are violating the law. specifically, the civil rights laws which require employees to make sure that all of their employees have equal access to all of the rights, promotion, nonhostile work environment, et cetera, so this letter is really important, as you pointed out, from 2014, and all of the promises made, what we're seeing right now, is that inequity

arises from a culture that allows it. are we surprised that in 2014 that this happened and now we're in 2022 with all of this racial and gender discrimination? essentially, what the ag's office has the power to do is really investigate this. and we really saw this type of investigation with cuomo, where letitia james came out with recommendations and findings. and that is really important, because that investigation will allow any person to kind of take those findings, and sue civilly or administratively. in this particular case, the eeoc is no doubt going to be involved to ensure that the workplace is safe for these young women, or if any of these women were constructively terminated where they had to leave their employment, because they were subjected to that hostility, they're entitled to back pay, they're entitled to front pay, and any promotional money or bonuses that they would have been entitled to, but for their gender, that they were

denied, so there's a lot of things that could come out of this. in addition, zerlina, the a. g.'s office could seek injunctive relief if they found the necessary prerequisites in order to push for that and that would be forcing the nfl to engage in sensitivity training, hire consultants, do things along that line so this culture, this pervasive culture does not continue. >> you mentioned the recommendations and the findings that the a. g. puts in the report can be of assistance to people who want to seek some sort of damages and restitution for this, for experiencing this kind of behavior. i mean lay out for us the type of systemic problems that a report like this, from letitia james and these other a. g.s could have, i mean what's the difference between, you know, an offhand comment that might be discriminatory, and this systemic and pervasive nature of

this discrimination that the nfl is allegedly engaging in, according to letitia james? >> i want to say the letters demand change, it doesn't say that they're going to investigate, it they do say they will put their full weight behind it, but it doesn't promise an investigation. but what it says that if they get complaints, they're going to take it seriously, and it sounds like they've got already a lawsuit over on one team, we have the racial discrimination, so likely, so to answer your question ultimately, whenever there is a suit against an employer, and in this case, the nfl, where the eeoc, or the equal employment opportunity commission, which is a governmental body, is involved, there is usually some type of title vii violation, and that title vii in this case would be gender discrimination. so when you look for gender discrimination, one offhand

comment is not going to be sufficient to meet the legal burden necessary to show a violation of title vii, they have to show it is severe and pervasive. i say all of that they really have to prove there was a systemic issue. and when you're talking about, in 2014, promises made, and these young ladies were reported to being forced to watch that video repeatedly, and you know how horrific that video is, for the common person, why would that be a requirement within the workplace? in addition to that, unwanted touching, and like i said, already things that women have to deal with in the workplace, such as unfair criticism, there was also a report, i think it's right in the letter, where people, young women were actually, they said that they were having aggressive tones, which is crazy because nfl, it's ironic, but the nfl -- you know, it's saying that women in 2022 still have to deal with this.

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four and a half years since the harvey winestein phase of the me too movement exploded on stage, and in the last couple of years, even in the middle of the devastating worldwide pandemic, we have seen progress in the fight against the other worldwide epidemic of sexual violence against women and girls and that includes the reauthorization of the federal violence against women act, the

convictions of r. kelly and ghislaine maxwell, and that said, there is still very much a long way to go and i want to make lear that right now in april, it is sexual assault awareness month. and it is a really good time to look at where we are, in this fight, against sexual violence and harassment and there is actually no better person to talk to about the me too movement because we have the founder of the me too movement which is, i should say a decade only, more than a decade only, thank you so much for being here. great to see you. >> glad to be here. thanks for having me back. >> so let's start with what has changed since that harvey winestein piece in the "new york times" in 2017 in terms of the public consciousness, awareness, and understanding of sexual assault and harassment. >> oh, man, so much has changed since then. because it's coming to the public consciousness, right?

talking about sexual violence, just talking about sexual violence publicly has changed. it was just not done in the way that we talk about it. i mean it was starting to bubble up, there were some public cases that had come to light in the years before that, certainly the case had started before, before the winestein case, the cases at fox had started before that, but nothing like the winestein case, before it hit the public, and so the public consciousness has changed since metoo went viral. definitely. >> one of the things that i think that people realize is how ubiquitous sexual assault and harassment is. i think that as you said, when it went viral, it was a moment where i think even men who were allied with like feminist movements or you know, being more aware that this is a problem that we need to tackle, they were even surprised by just

the entire, taken over by people telling their stories, and do you think this has helped people telling the stories, and the dynamic of inter-partner violence and just the every day ways women are dehumanized and healthcared as they move around the world? -- and harassed as they move around the world? >> i think so, when president biden took office, one of the first demands that we made of him as a movement, as an organization, that he declare sexual violence a public health crisis, and he did that in his statement of sexual assault awareness month this year, because it is a public health crisis, and that's evidenced by just how many people responded to the hashtag when it went viral, right, 12 million people responded to the hashtag in just 24 hours, and that lets you know just the breadth and depth of how big this issue is across the

world. and i think people now realize just how many lives are touched, just how many people, it's like i said all the time, if you are not a survivor, you know one, right? you have come across one, your life has been touched by sexual violence in some way. >> if you're watching this show and you don't know a survivor, i'm a survivor, and now you know one. i would also, i would also want to ask you about the things that still need to be done, and also, the backlash, and i want to start with the things that still need to be done before we get to the backlash that did actually transpire after the hashtag went viral. where do we need to go from here? we have a president, an administration that gets it, but we also have a lot of elected leaders that absolutely do not get it. so what do we do about that? >> well, the thing is, you can't adjudicate healing, right? and there is so much more to be

done than what happens in the white house than in the congress, or in the supreme court even, and so there's a lot to be done, in the halls of justice, but there's a lot to be done in our communities, we have to shift the way people think about, talk about, and respond to sexual violence. right now, when people think about racial justice, when they think about climate change, they think about gun control, they do not place sexual violence alongside these other social justice issues. so one of the things that we have to do is we have to elevate the way people think about social justice, and place those along these other social justice issues that we think about. when you think about the ills of the world, and the things that we have to collectively face, you need to think about sexual violence as one of those things. we isolate it and put it as an individual issue that people have to deal with. so that is one of the things that we have to do, right? if we don't collectively face

sexual violence then we won't see the beginning of ways to eradicate it. we definitely have to change laws, we have to change policy, those are things that we had to do even before metoo went viral, but now it is in the public consciousness, we have to think of it as a collective issue that we have to face, as community, as a country. >> one of the things that also happened is the backlash against the movement and people feeling like the movement has gone too far, and i mean, do you have any response to the folks that were like, oh, this is, i don't know how to behave now that women are drawing boundaries, for how they want to be touched and approached and engaged with, and i mean what's your response to the backlash for the movement? >> you know, people say i don't know how to behave now that, you know, me too has gone viral, the metoo movement, my first response is how did you behave before, you know? because you were taking meetings with women, with your door

closed, or did you have, do you have a history of complaints, what did you do before metoo went viral? this is about people drawing boundaries. this is about people giving voice to traumas that they experienced. this is about us having a set of policies and rules and regulations, and existing and coexisting in a world where we have full bodily autonomy. those are not things that people need to understand in any other scenario. so why do you have to have a special circumstance to understand that now? i don't understand what going too far means when we say we want you to ask for consent before you touch my body. how can that go too far? because i tell you what, when bob in accounting starts having somebody want to fondle his balls before a meeting, and i

bet it won't be going too far now and i'm sorry i said balls on tv, but it's true. >> i don't know what the rules are, i guess they're going to tell me in the break but to your point, i think what you're saying is i think people are being purposefully obtuse when they say they don't understand where the line is. the line is you should ask people before touching them. and you're not doing that, if you're not doing that, you are doing it wrong and you should stop there with step one how you should conduct yourself in public when you're around other human beings. and all of us deserve that. >> and the children say, period, with a t. >> that's right. you know my show is period, but you know there is a t, when that period has a t there, on the zerlina. it's all connected. thank you so much for being here for sexual assault awareness month and help us talk through these super, super critically important issues. please stay safe.

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covid cases are spiking once again in new york city and in washington, d.c. and some of the country's top elected officials are not in the clear. house speaker nancy pelosi, attorney general general merrick garland, have tested positive this week and cases have doubled in the nation's capital since the last week of march and a few hundred miles north up in new york city there has been a nearly 60% increase in covid cases and oh, it is also up ending broadway again as multiple shows canceled performances this week, due to covid cases within their cast. and joining me now is an anesthesiologist at the university of virginia and an msnbc contributor. so dr. hilton, we feel like we've been here before, are we in a surge, is it coming? >> it is one of those things we have been here before. if you look last year, we saw the same exact things.

cases that peaked in january, february, and we had a calming down-ish in march and another blitz in april, followed by july, when we had delta, that reigned. so this is nothing new. and i've said over and over again, we have never been in front of covid. again, we've never been in front of covid. we've always been playing catchup when it comes to this pandemic. we're letting our guard down too quickly and it's literally hitting throughout the walls of congress. this is not something to play with and we need to start taking this seriously. >> it's going to be really hard probably to change state or federal policy because all the mask mandates have been taken away. i think this is the worst-case scenario, you have an uptick in cases and everybody is out here, out here in large gatherings without masks and we know what happens when covid is spreading in that circumstance. do you think we loosened the restrictions too soon? what do we do about the fact that we're looking like we're at

the beginning of a surge with no mitt case in place? >> it's one of those things where politicians have driven how we're going to run this pandemic when it should be driven by public health officials. the idea we can ledge slate our way out of this as if covid actually cares what the legal ramifications are is a little bit ridiculous. what we're seeing is it's costing us still lives. yesterday, for instance, we still lost 700 americans. i think we fail to remember that those people -- they actually count. their lives matter. it's the working class americans which means economically we've have a devastation in this country. that's nothing new, too. if you look at the 1918 pandemic, it was the same thing. it was followed by the great depression, for instance, right? we know that was a contributory factor, that our workers are

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particular moment? maybe they've already had a covid infection. maybe they are vaccinated. how should they think about the risk of long covid as they decide what is safe to do and what's not? >> it's one of those things from the very beginning, i always said there are more consequences of covid than just death. we know this from other viruses. we know other viruses cause cancers, cause disease processes like multiple sclerosis. there's more and more studies coming out showing the inflammatory response, that infection alone, regardless if you have a severe case or you're asymptomatic in your presentation, the inflammatory response of your body trying to fight off that virus causes an impact on all your organ systems including your brain. we're now seeing there's changes to receptors that resemble that of alzheimer's. we see there's changes to the body as far as heart function and whether or not you'll have pericarditis and myocarditis,

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senate minority leader mitch mcconnell was in the hot seat thursday when asked by an axios reporter where he draws his, quote, moral red lines, and how he could go from condemning former president donald trump to say he'll support him in the 2024 election. take a listen. >> moral red lines, where do you draw them? >> i'm perfectly comfortable with the way i have conducted my political career, and i'd be happy to respond to any specificity you want to apply to the term -- what was it? >> moral red lines. >> more red lines. >> i'm very comfortable with my moral red line. >> you said donald trump's actions preceding the january 6th insurrection were a, quote, disgraceful dereliction of duty and he was practically and morally responsible, your words, for provoking the events of that

day. how do you go from saying that to two weeks later saying you'd absolutely support donald trump if he's the republican nominee in 2024? >> well, as the republican leader of the senate, it should not be a front page headline that i'll support the republican nominee for president. >> what you say matters. you're a very important voice in this country, the leader of your party. you seem to hold two concurrent conflicting positions -- >> not at all inconsistent. >> i stand by everything i said about january 6th and everything i said on february 13th. >> i understand that. what i want to understand -- >> i don't get to pick the republican nominee for president. they're elected by the republican voters all over the country. >> is there any threshold for you on a moral level? >> i say many things i'm sure people don't understand. >> that does it for me. i'm zerlina. find me monday through friday at

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