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we want to begin in the war zone. british prime minister johnson becomes the highest profile world leader to visit ukraine since russia's invasion. he heaped high praise on president volodymyr zelenskyy. >> how are you? >> you know how -- >> how are you? >> very good to see you. how you doing? looking good. absolute pleasure to see you. fantastic to see you. how are you? you're looking well. >> yes. >> unbelievable to see you considering what you've been through. you are strong. >> i think so. >> fantastic. you're an absolute hero. >> unbelievable visit in the midst of a war zone. the visit coming hours of yesterday's deadly attack on a train station in kramatorsk. moments ago, he spoke about atrocities and potential war crimes being committed. >> i think what putin has done in places like bucha and in irpin, his war crimes have

permanently polluted his reputation. and the reputation of his government. and he is going to intensify the pressure now in donbas and in the east, and so that's why it's so vital, as you rightly say, volodymyr, that we, your friends, offer all the support we can. >> ukrainian officials saying at least 50 people were killed and more than 100 wounded in that terrible train station attack. survivors describing this horror as thousands ran for cover from the shelling. >> translator: i remember a really loud noise, and there was something landing. shells or rockets. everybody hit the ground. that's all. a nightmare. everything starts to burn. everyone was panicking. >> translator: it was terrifying. the horror, the horror. heaven forbid to live through

this again. no, i don't want to. >> russia, for its part, continuing to deny responsibility, but claiming its military attacked an air base in central ukraine, destroying a ukrainian air force mig-29 fighter and hi-8 helicopter and ammunition depot. nbc news is not able to independently verify the claims. meanwhile, the search for bodies intensifying in borodyanka today. president zelenskyy describing it as worse than bucha. with "60 minutes," he said he wants the world to understand ukraine is fighting for western values. >> translator: someone who lives in the united states and europe, do they not like children? do they not want their children to go to university? do they not want their grandfather to live for 100 years? we have the same values. we are defending the right to live.

i never thought this right was so costly. >> we have a panel of reporters and analysts joining us to go over some of today's major developments. raf, i want to begin with you in ukraine. nbc's raf sanchez joining us live there. do we have any more information today, raf, about that deadly missile strike in the train station? >> reporter: yasmin, ukrainian officials now updating the death toll to 52 including five children. part of what is so horrifying about that is a lot of these people were heading here to the relative safety of lviv. these were folks who thought they were leaving the war zone, traveling west to safety. instead, they were killed before that journey even really began. i got to tell you, the railway lines in this country have been an absolute lifeline. the trains have kept running even as the bombs were falling. dozens of railway workers have been killed. they've been hailed as heros

alongside soldiers. i spoke to a volunteer at lviv's train station today, and i asked him if people were worried that the russians would target more stations across ukraine. take listen. are people worried about getting on the train now because they saw what happened in kramatorsk? >> yes. >> reporter: how did you feel when you saw the news about kramatorsk. >> it's horrible. but it's okay, we will win. >> reporter: you'll win, keep going? >> of course. it's the stronghold of freedom and democracy. we can't lose. >> reporter: those 52 people should have been here in lviv. >> the most part of them. >> reporter: instead, they've been killed. >> yes. >> reporter: how does that feel? >> it's terrible. i didn't expect it will be in europe in our times. >> reporter: now, there was

supposed to be three trains from kramatorsk here to lviv yesterday. they didn't show up. they didn't show up again today. that station in the east of the country still out of commission after that missile strike. ukrainian officials say they want it up and running soon, yasmin. >> talk to me, raf, about this unprecedented meeting between british prime minister boris johnson and president volodymyr zelenskyy. johnson essentially putting his life at risk, entering a war zone to meet with the ukrainian president. the first to do this. what did they talk about? do we know what went into the decision making for johnson to go to ukraine, and how this meeting go? >> reporter: the meeting planned in utmost secrecy for security reasons. we didn't know about it until a picture pops up of boris johnson in full suit, sitting across from zelenskyy in his trademark military fatigues. zelenskyy's former career was a

comedian. johnson said, how are you doing? zelenskyy said, you know how i'm doing. johnson said he is going to be providing 120 new armored vehicles to the ukrainian military. they're also providing anti-ship missiles which will be really important as the ukrainians try to defend the southern coast against further russian onslaught. there is also new world bank loan guarantees for the ukrainians trying to prop up their economy as well as their military. yasmin, it raises an interesting question, right? if the british prime minister can come here, the presidents of european commission could come here yesterday, when might we start seeing senior american officials coming to kyiv for face-to-face meetings with president zelenskyy? possible we might see secretary blinken, someone like that, but nothing has been announced like that. >> exactly what i was wondering and i'm sure a lot of folks are wondering, as well, when we'll be seeing american officials, as you said, visiting the area and

specifically the president of ukraine, who has been leading this effort so far. raf, thank you. let's talk refugees, as well. 500,000 refugees, 2.5 million, i should say, have crossed into poland. this comes as the european commission says it'll pledge to support countries taking in refugees. dasha burns is in warsaw covering this. let's talk about the money, dasha. you're having the new funds, heck of a lot of money. how will they assist refugees there, and how, in fact, will this funding be disseminated? >> reporter: yasmin, what we know is 600 million is going to ukraine. 400 million euros are going to countries like poland, which welcomed by far the most refugees compared to any other country. they need that support. look, just here in warsaw. their population jumped by 20% in the span of a few weeks. we have seen enormous generosity

here, right, from the government to, and mostly, everyday people, setting up resources, services, opening up homes. they did this all very, very quickly. but they do need support in order to sustain that generosity. every day, thousands are coming across the border. some of the people who fled here to poland have been here now for over a month. they are starting to put their children into polish publish schools, becoming overcrowded. they're looking for longer places to stay, which are harder and harder to find. so they're going to have to be evolving solutions to how to deal with this number of people that's in this country now. some women are even coming here to poland to have their children in a safe place, away from war. we visited a maternity ward in one of the hospitals here in warsaw and met some of those ukrainian women. we met a mother-to-be, darina, who are about to give birth as

we interviewed her. look, these women, nine months ago, yasmin, could not have imagined that they would flee their country while pregnant and then give birth in a foreign country. you can imagine how difficult that is without their husbands, who are still in ukraine. many of them actually fighting for their country. amid all of that, new life is emerging. with it, some hope is born. take a listen to our conversation with darina. i know it is scary. but are you excited? are you hopeful? >> translator: of course. my mom just knew my heart. i look forward to it. i hope that it will end up really well, and i will be able to get home to ukraine and the father of the child will see our child and we'll be together.

>> reporter: home to ukraine, that is what every refugee we've spoken to, that is what they want. yasmin, some much-needed good news, daryna actually had that baby at 1:00 a.m. local time. a beautiful baby girl named emilia. 7 pounds, 7 ounces. she was healthy. daryna says she hopes her baby won't ever know war. she'll be able to reyau nite reunite with emilia's father soon. she hopes that emilia will have the freedom to choose to be whoever she wants to be, yasmin. >> we can only hope the best for that little one. i can't imagine how emotional that is for a new mom, already going through all the emotions, having just given birth without your partner there. to do it on your own in a foreign country, not knowing when you'll be able to return home, it takes such strength that we will never really know the experience that she is going

through. dasha, we are thankful you are bringing it to us. dasha burns for us in poland. thank you. want to bring in a correspondent at large for the "washington post." darson, it is great to talk to you. you've been covering this war for quite some time. you are now in barcelona. however, you were stationed in kyiv for a very long time. as we think about this tragic event at the train station, the attack at the train station, injuring over 100 people, 50 people confirmed to be dead now, some of which include children, i can't help but wonder whether or not this was a miscalculation from russian forces. it was a question posed at the pentagon press briefing yesterday. there wasn't necessarily a direct answer to that, the intelligence gathering side of it, of course, and knowing the answer to that. any idea from your end, the reaction to this attack and what you're hearing when it comes to russian forces and targeting. >> well, just when you thought

that things can't get worse, it got worse. i mean, we've already seen many attacks over the past six weeks that have targeted civilians and have killed civilians. without a doubt, civilians. now, you have this happening, where one single attack, you've seen 50 and possibly more with the toll rising possibly soon. so it's extremely tragic to see this. look, i mean, the russians, of course, are denying this. it might be a miscalculation. what we know for fact and what we're seeing on the ground, and i think the concern is now that as the russians pivot towards the war toward the east, as they try to ramp up their war machinery, you're going to see more such incidents like this, of air strikes killing civilians. i mean, the russians right now need to win somehow. they lost in kyiv.

they lost around -- they were pushed out of kyiv. they cannot leave ukraine unless they have a victory of sorts in their minds. to that, that means awfully more destruction as we go forward, as the war kind of shifts more towards the east. i'm sorry to say, but you're probably going to see more incidents just like we saw at the train station. >> in a twisted way, do you see russian forces, vladimir putin, seeing things like bucha, seeing things like what we heard happening in mmariupol, the tran station, as a victory, as a win? >> look, what i think is happening is this is part of a strategy of war for the russians. they want to inflict terror on the civilian population, and that's what they've been trying to do for the past six weeks. they want to get the ukrainian people down with attacks. as far as we know, it's not working. ukrainians are definitely

resilient. they're rising up. they've pushed the russians back. people are even, you know, at some points, returning back to their homes in some places. so there is a sense of resilience here, that all these attacks for the russians -- and it works. this is clearly not a victory for russia. but the thing s you just don't know what's going on in the minds of the people inside the kremlin. after what happened in kyiv, after they were driven out, you know, such a brutal attack happens on this train station. it is mind-boggling. >> talk about the significance of the visit by the uk prime minister, boris johnson. >> well, i think, you know, the visit is one more step for what the ukrainians want, a closer relationship with europe. i mean, for the ukrainians, it's absolutely important that all europe is tied into this war and continues to be linked to this war. because they're, you know, telling theeuropeans, look, this is not the ukrainians war.

this is a war against democracy. it'll affect all of europe, and you guys need to be more involved. you need to deepen the sanctions. i mean, they're already calling for more banks and more -- and more eu countries to stop buying oil, gas from russia. so with this visit, i think what the ukrainians are hoping is that it is going to solidify the ties with europe. now that we're hearing some european countries, like italy, are considering reopening their embassy in kyiv, and there is talk of perhaps the u.s. sending a top envoy, this is all great for the -- in terms of the ukrainians and their strategy of getting the world involved against moscow. >> let me ask you this. because we know part of this kind of working peace treaty, we don't know where we necessarily are with this peace treaty. what we know, part of this peace treaty, was an ask by the kremlin to cede certain territories, the donbas region,

for instance, to moscow, to russia. and we know zelenskyy, up until this point, has been against that. how is it, though, ukrainian forces can see, for instance, how they would push out russian forces at this point? they've essentially kind of moved in, camped out, and really completely destroyed some of these regions now that we are seeing in the eastern part of ukraine? >> a couple things i've noticed. first of all, ukrainians have an incredible amount of confidence now they've managed to push the russians out of kyiv, prevent the russians from taking kyiv which, as you'll recall, was their primary objective when they invaded ukraine. they wanted to take over the capital and, obviously, that did not succeed. ukrainians are going to the east with confidence. secondly, they're getting more weaponry. you mentioned on the show the brits are going to be adding, you know, tens of millions of dollars more of weaponry. other countries, including the u.s., also said the same. they're going to be -- you know,

when they're fighting in the east, they're going to have, presumably, a lot more heavier weaponry needed to push the russians back there. thirdly, they've been doing a pretty good job of preventing moscow from entering key cities in the east, particularly mariupol. i mean, you've got ukrainian units inside the city that's preventing the russians from taking -- from seizing control of that city, despite all the bombing, despite all the civilian casualties, the ukrainians stood their ground there. >> i'm happy you were able to take a bit of a pause, a break from being inside kyiv. i'm sure it was incredibly stressful to be covering that. i know it is your job and you do it, but we appreciate all the work you have done. are you there to stay in barcelona, or are you heading back to kyiv eventually or to ukraine? >> i will be heading back. i live here. i'm on a break for three weeks or so, and my plan is to return to ukraine. >> enjoy. we appreciate it.

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i knew the person i nominated would be put through a painful and difficult confirmation process, but i have to tell ya, what judge jackson was put through was well beyond that. there was verbal abuse, the anger, the constant interruptions. most viral accusations. in the face of it all, judge jackson showed the incredible character and integrity she possesses. >> president biden marking the confirmation of his supreme court nominee judge ketanji brown jackson.

she's the first black woman the serve on the supreme court after a historic vote this week. once she is sworn in, this will be the first time in u.s. history there will not be a white male majority in the nation's highest court. joining me is melissa murray, legal analyst, professor of law at nyu, and former law clerk to judge sonia sotomayor. melissa, great to talk to you on this. you are the person we should be talking to right now. i'll tell you why. i think you know why. you were on the short list for this nomination, despite your repeated denials publicly. there was certain speculation that you were certainly on that short list. what was your reaction to the confirmation of judge jackson? >> well, i think, like so many americans, this was just such a welcome moment, one that was long overdue. and i think it really underscores one of the signature achievements of the biden administration, even as its only at its halfway mark, has the complete transformation of the

federal judiciary. making the federal judiciary more representative of our country, not only in terms of demographic makeup but also in the kinds of professional experiences that these new judges are bringing to the bench. we are now seeing more public defenders than we've ever seen before. more labor lawyers. of course, that's vitally important given how diverse the docket of the federal courts are. it is important to have those perspectives represented, as well. >> so the first time we're going to be seeing not a white male majority on the supreme court, right? how does that -- it is kind of what you're speaking to here, how does that really change the dynamic of the court? >> well, i think it is important as a symbolic matter to show that we are living in a multi-racial democracy, and all our institutions should reflect that reality, including the court. but as a practical matter on the court, judge jackson or now justice jackson's introduction to the nine-member court is not necessarily going to change the

idealogical composition of this court. it will still be a 6-3 conservative super majority. >> right. >> she is likely to be among the dissenting justices. that may not be how she spends her entire career here on the court, but at least in the short term, that's what it looks like. but every justice when they're introduced to the court changes the dynamic in some kind of way, whether subtly or in more profound ways. it is clear that this court will definitely have to adjust as they make room for its newest member. >> i want to talk about what she's getting into. with that, i want to read a tweet from a law professor at uci that you re-tweeted. saying this, i don't think most americans appreciate how much the supreme court is going to reorder law and american society in the next 15 months. guns, abortion, affirmative action is just the start. take us through it here, melissa. what is ahead? what are some of the biggest things ahead right now for the supreme court? >> let me draw a line under this. this is all possible because there is a 6-3 conservative super majority.

the supreme court has its docket. it doesn't have to take every case presented to it. you need four votes to get a case before the court. the court justices have to agree to hear a case. with this conservative 6-3 super majority, we are seeing this more conservative court be more aggressive about the cases they're taking. cases where they're reconsidering years' worth of jurisprudence, not only in abortion but also affirmative action and questions related to administrative law and the administrative state. the kind of bureaucracy that makes government possible in our lives. so when the court was balanced in a 5-4 conservative majority, they always had to be more careful about what cases they took because they could not be sure that the chief justice would always vote with the conservative wing. there were some very pronounced departures for the chief justice. the affordable care act case, for example, and in an abortion case in 2020, for example. now, they don't need the chief justice's vote. they're going to be more

cavalier, i think, about what they take. it's a little bit like the toddler in the marshmallow experiment. when you leave the marshal mall lw -- marshmallow, do you eat it now or wait until later? they don't want to wait. we're seeing the court take on a range of different issues that will have been a disruptive effect on american life. >> specifically, many are awaiting the decision on the mississippi abortion law. that's a huge case in the supreme court. oklahoma passing a near total abortion ban this week. the governor not yet signing it into law, but he is expected to do so. that being said, how critical, melissa, do you see the decision from the mississippi abortion law? how critical do you see that being? >> well, it is critical because we've already seen states move even without the decision being announced. the fact that the court seems amenable to overruling planned parenthood versus casey and roe versus wade, the two major underpinnings of the court's

abortion juisprudence makes clear that a change is coming. we've seen oklahoma take more aggressive measures, and idaho in the last week took on a texas-style sb-8 law. they're being more aggressive because they have a receptive audience at the supreme court. >> melissa murray, as always, thank you. great to see you on this saturday afternoon. appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. all right. the one regret the former president says he has on what happened january 6th. will it surprise you? likely not. we'll be right back. [♪♪]

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now to the other top stories that we are following. a jury in ichigan acquitted two men accused of plotting to kill governor whitmer over covid restrictions. two other departments may face another trial. the academy is banning will smith from attending the academy awards for ten years. the ban comes after smith slapped chris rock.

smith responded, quote, i accept and respect the academy's decision. a huge milestone in space travel today. the first all private astronaut team is now on board the international space station. the four-person team will spend eight days in space. all right. new developments, the investigation to the january 6th insurrection. the house committee is now considering an interview with donald trump himself. committee chair bennie thompson telling reporters they'll be talking about the likelihood of a sit-down with the former president, quote, in the not-too-distant future. this is coming as trump in an interview with the "washington post" said he regrets not marching down to the capitol that day his supporters stormed the building. joining us, hugo. the president regrets to the -- saying to the press, he regrets

he didn't march down. he said that day, we will march together, and many wonder why he wasn't subsequently marching that day in the lead-up to the insurrection. that being said, hugo, let's talk first about the prospect, of course, of calling the former president for an interview. what needs to be considered here? >> well, they have to be really careful because there's no -- there's one precedent for congress subpoenaing a former president, and that was decades and decades ago. the committee is going to have to figure out now whether they want to call in for an voluntary interview or subpoena him. my sources on the committee and chairman thompson, as well, on capitol hill this week said they're probably not going to subpoena him. they will invite him to appear before the panel. in part because that was how it went with the russia investigation. his lawyers in that investigation didn't want trump to appear before the special counsel because he might lie to

them and purger himself. trump, in that instance and potentially this instance, appears quite willing to talk to the committee because he believes he has nothing to hide. >> he appears to be willing to. the question is, when push comes to shove, and they put the ask out, the question is whether or not he actually will. so if, in fact, he does not accept to be interviewed, will they then subpoena the former president? >> that's a good question. my source on the committee say they'll discuss this next week when the house is on recess. but they do have a number of calls scheduled. one big one on thursday, they'll have a zoom call, all-members briefing, where they'll discuss this very issue. you know, at this point, they also have to figure out, right, i mean, the political circus that will come with subpoenaing trump. is that really worth it for their investigation? if they only learn -- and this is the same for every other witness, by the way. the calculus is, is it worth the political circus that will come

with subpoenaing various people, whether it is republican members of congress, if you only get marginal assistance, only certain documents. is it worth the effort, the time, and what fall follows thi. maybe this is the discussion this week. >> it begs itself to remind us that ivanka trump and jared kishner was recently interviewed. trump said his secret service said he couldn't go. "i would have gone there in a minute," that's a quote. is that going to complicate things, this admission that the president wanted to march to the

capitol? >> i don't know if it complicates whether they bring him in for testimony or not. i think, you know, you make a baseline decision. do we want to former president to come in, do we not want the former president to come in? are we going to compel his testimony? the more interesting question, i think, with that statement was when was he told by the secret service he should not go to the capitol because they could not guarantee his safety? because our reporting and others' reporting suggests the former president was told days before the capitol attack that the situation at the capitol may be too dangerous. if he went, they couldn't guarantee his security. he got on the stage and said, "we have to march the capitol." his schedule shows there was no such plan. former chief of staff said there was no plan. if it turns out he had been told he shouldn't be going to the capitol, he won't be going to the capitol, and yet told his supporters otherwise, effectively lie in public, that could give rise to incitement of an insurrection and that's where it could be problematic for

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new today, everybody, no-knock warrants officially banned in minneapolis. that policy implementation

coming just two days after minnesota prosecutors declined to press charges against the s.w.a.t. officer who fatally shot 22-year-old amir locke. locke was staying on his cousin's couch when officers entered the apartment without knocking as part of a homicide investigation of which locke was not a subject. despite calls for police accountability, prosecutors said body cam video showed locke point a handgun, which he owned legally, by the way, at officer hanamon, justifying use of lethal force. locke's mother spoke, listen. >> the spirit of my baby is going to haunt you the rest of your life. i am not disappointed. i am disgusted with the city of minneapolis. very disgusted. >> joining me now, reverend al sharpton, president of the national action network.

great to see you as always, my friend. let's talk first about amir locke. you were with his mom yesterday when the news broke. >> yes. >> now calling on the doj essentially to further investigate. what needs to happen here? >> yes. his mother was here at our convention, and we are now asking the justice department to look at federal charges. if you remember, we had -- when we had the state charge against derek chauvin in the case of george floyd, we also got federal charges as a safeguard. the same thing happened in georgia with the case of the killing there. that led to three convictions in the case of ahmaud arbery. so we're saying the justice department came to an independent investigation on federal law, that this man, young man, amir locke's federal

civil rights were violated. he was not the subject of a warrant. he had a legal, licensed gun. he had the right to, when he was startled with a no-knock entry, not knowing who was in the house, he had the right to turn around and point a gun and try to scare off who he may have thought was an intruder. that we are bringing to the justice department to look at federal charges. we're outraged, joining the family, that the state would not deal with these charges. you must understand, that when they talk about, well, the situation was where he pulled a gun and the policeman felt in danger, they caused the situation. they were the ones that went in his house without the right person's name on the warrant, without the right location. so how do you defend yourself against a situation that you

caused in the first place? >> i want to talk specifically, of course, about this ban on no-knock warrants taking effect. what else needs to happen? i know you think it's not enough. >> certainly not enough. certainly, the no-knock warrants should stop, but think you've got to have criminal prosecution. aside from that, i think you need to redo the whole way that we deal with pursuing people in the first place. how do we keep having police going in at the people that are the wrong people? isn't it very haunting that both breonna taylor and the case here that we're talking about with amir locke, both of them were dead off a mistaken police intervention. neither one of them were the subjects of what they were after. there's something wrong in the

actual application of how we're doing law. no-knock warrants knocked out is the beginning, but inherent in the system is something wrong. that they keep coming up and going after the wrong people, whether it is no-knock or not, it needs to be a correction on how we pursue people. >> i'd i'm glad you brought up the system. it is something addressed yesterday with pete buttigieg. black voters think biden hasn't necessarily fulfilled the promises that he set out to do when he was elected president. we know the black community got president biden elected. let's take a listen to the exchange, then respond on the other side. >> you do realize, pete, a lot of black people feel democrats kept no promises since they've been in office. >> really? >> yes. reverend al said that a million

times. >> look, i get it, because the work is not done. the reason i say really is we just passed one of the biggest pieces of infrastructure legislation in american history. >> those are big, broad things, and that's great. you campaigned on the george floyd policing act. our voting rights, man. 19 states have voter suppression bills which will impact us the most. the only strategy democrats will have is we have to go out there and vote in mass numbers. >> rev? talk to me. >> i think that he was right. yes, the democrats are certainly a lot better than trump. they have done some broad things. but the specific things that energized a record turnout around george floyd bill, voting rights bill, they've not delivered on. now, that is not just saying biden, that's saying manchin and

sinema, who are democrats. people who play inside politics act like people are supposed to be able to say, "oh, i'm drawn by two democrats." the minds of people, that we're not getting voted, felt if i voted on the democratic line, you democrats would stay together. >> yes. >> the reason we did not get the filibuster changed that would have been -- that would have made it possible for us to pass george floyd and pass the john lewis voting bill is because of the filibuster. the reason we did not get the votes we needed to turn around the filibuster is because two democrats defected from the democratic party. so it is absolutely correct what charlamagne the god said. who can you blame? you can't blame it on others, what you ran on, committed to, and didn't deliver on because of two defections that have not been punished, not been held accountable by the party.

>> okay. then i have to ask you this, and we're running out of time. a "new york times" piece today saying the gop haas an opening when it comes to the black vote in the midterm elections. specifically, and they mention, because of the struggling economy right now. i'm using the word struggling only because we do have a thriving economy but, of course, you're looking at, you know, inflation and that sort of thing. people not being able to afford things. gas prices, so on and so forth. do you buy that? >> no, i don't buy that. just because you're angry doesn't mean that you become politically suicidal. to go to the gop is not an option when you're angry at people that didn't keep their promise. why would you go to people that never promised you anything? what the gop does not understand is that whatever opening they may have had, donald trump stopped it. donald trump was openly hostile. he has redone the gop, and the gop that i knew as a kid, of the liberals like rockefeller and

javits and even george romney, mitt romney's dad, no longer exist. so why would anybody walk away mad at a sinema or manchin and say, we'll go to somebody hostile like donald trump. >> folks, i'm filling in for alex witt. if you watch me all the way through to 5:00 p.m., you can stick around to catch rev on "politics nation" at 5:00 p.m. i'll do a high five every saturday and sunday night on msnbc. thanks, rev. good to see you, friend. my next guest wrote a story in the "atlantic." i guarantee you'll be able to relate to it. this is not an exaggeration. i'm not going to say anything else. just stay here. when we come back, we're going to talk about it.

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all right, so over the past few years bad behavior of all kinds, rudeness and physical

violence, it's increased throughout the united states. early 2021 saw the highest number of unruly passenger incidents ever. according to the faa and just yesterday the agency announced the largest fines yet on two women who assaulted crew members and passengers. joining me now to discuss why we're seeing a rise in this trend is a staff writer for the atlantic and author of the article" why people are acting so weird." there's some kind of enlightening things and some things we can laugh about and serious things that have happened like the rising crime and murder. in your article you talk about how experts you've spoken with cited stress and feeling overwhelmed as one of the biggest reasons as to why they are acting out and a stanford

psychiatrist of the pandemic has created a lot of high stress low reward situations which i found myself nodding at over and over again. what does this look like? >> yeah, if you think about it anyone who has lived through the past two years has experienced the situation where you want to go out with friends. but one person will only sit outside and do outdoor dining. but it's raining so you have to find a new place at the last minute. or you get to the airport and, you know, you want to eat something for breakfast, but there's a mask mandate and you're not sure whether you can take off your mask while you're eating. so you have all these situations slightly more stressful, not the mention all the day cares shutting down and school closures and everything else people have been dealing with. so basically every single thing has become that much harder, so people are a lot more stressed out and not getting as much relief or fun as they normally

do. >> you explain the situation and i'm a skier -- you explain a situation which a guy was yelling on others on a ski mountain on a ski lift because of mask mandates and that kind of thing. skiing is where you're supposed to relax and enjoy. you write this trend really began during this pandemic. i wonder, though, because we've seen a lot of these types of incidents especially starting in 2016, and there's been especially on this show and network a kind of chasm between people especially because of politics and the trump administration as well and peoples kind of differing views and not wanting to get along over it. do you think it extended long before this pandemic and the pandemic kind of exacerbated things? >> a lot of people brought that up after i wrote the article. they e-mailed me saying trump would often tweet rude things and say rude things. and i totally get that. i agree he was a very

nonnormative president who kind of changed the norms of what it means to behave properly in a lot of ways. but this stuff has been continuing even though trump is no longer president, and i think it's just -- as yun of the sociologists i've talked to it's kind of changed the way we interact with each other. instead of prioritizing what might be good for society, what might help the plane take off and land in a good way, we start prioritizing our own interests and what's going to make me comfortable during this flight. we changed our sikaelg over the past couple of years, i think. >> let's be clear planes will never take off on time. it is what it is and don't yell alt the poor person behind the counter. it's not their fault. guaranteed it's not their fault. is it going to get better? >> you know, i really hope so.

in a lot of the country mask mandates are kind of ending and people are coming back out. i ate brunch at a restaurant this morning that was totally bustling and people gathering and having a good time, so it seems like things are going slowly back to normal. but some of this stuff, you know, it might take a little while. it's really not normal wave all been holed up on our own for so long, so it might take a bit for things to recalibrate. in writing this piece at all, did you get some advice from psychologists. >> i did a radio interview the other day and a buddhist nun called in and suggest we all try doing mindfulness meditation. >> i've been meditating with my sons every night. we do like a yoga thing and a meditation before bed. it takes about 20 seconds because they have zero patience, but nonetheless i'm all about

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