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we have a lot to cover for you. british prime minister take advantage to meet with ukrainian president zelenskyy. another act of defiance in the face of russian attacks including another atrocity aimed at civilians. we have the latest reaction of that deadly attack on a train station where ukrainians were just trying to flee the violencemism. and also a tale of two states when it comes to abortion rights. new action in oklahoma and michigan making it clear for the battle lines are drawn and includes a woman on the front lines of this fight whose terrifying story illustrated the dangers of an end to roe v. wade. and ketanji brown jackson making history as the newest justice on the supreme court but not before a vicious smear campaign that continues to spread, the baseless and morally bankrupt pro-pedophilia accusations hurled at the justice now being used to attack all democrats. coming up, a look at the real
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reason behind these attacks and the danger that it presents. we begin, though, with that face-to-face meeting between british prime minister boris johnson and ukrainian president zelenskyy. a spokesperson confirming the trip saying johnson's visit is, quote, a show of solidarity with the ukrainian people. raf, good to talk to you once again. talk to us about what exactly prompted this meeting from what we know? >> reporter: yasmin, boris johnson has made very clear for a long time he was very eager to come to kyiv. he was very eager to meet president zelenskyy face-to-face but it's only now british security officials felt it was safe infer for him to do so as russian forces pulled away. johnson's seen as something of a comic figure in some parts of the world. but i've got to tell you here in ukraine he's treated with a lot of respect because the u.k. has been so forward leading in terms
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of providing weapons to the ukrainians. they've been using british anti-tank missiles to great effect against russian armor. and he's promised 120 armored vehicles and new anti-ship missiles, which will be very, very important as the ukrainians try to defend the southern coast against further russian invasion. johnson hailed zelenskyy as a hero and interestingly he felt safe enough to go on a little bit of a walkabout around central kyiv with him under heavy guard, of course. yasmin, as we discussed it raises the question when might we start to see american officials coming to kyiv to meet president zelenskyy face-to-face. >> going to be kind of the overarching question i think for the next couple of days but we're going to be monitoring that situation as well. i want to turn to the train
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station. we've seen those horrific images of the civilians that were killed. what else can you tell us? >> reporter: the death toll has been raised to 52 including five children. and many of those people killed were on their way here to the relative safety of lviv. these were people who thought they were leaving the war zone and they were killed before that journey really began. i spoke to a volunteer here at the train station who's been meeting these refugees as they came in and i asked how it felt knowing these people killed yesterday in the east were supposed to be alive and safe today. take a listen. those 52 people should have been here in lviv. >> the most part of them. >> reporter: and instead they've been killed. >> yes. >> reporter: how does that feel?
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>> it feels terrible. terrible. i didn't expect that it will be in europe in our times. >> reporter: now, there were supposed to be three trains from kramatorsk here to lviv yesterday. they didn't show up. they didn't show up today after the russian missile attack. ukrainian officials say they want to get it up and running soon so that flow of refugees and displace said people can keep going. >> i want to bring in ana, she heads the 39th maiden women's, a women's fighting group coordinating with the ukrainian military. she previously served as deputy head of president zelenskyy office and as a member of parliament. anna, thank you so much for joining us on this. can i first get your reaction to the tragic events we saw yesterday at the train station?
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>> it's awful. it's killed at least 52 people and injured 100 ones and among the dead five children. can you imagine the rocket launched kill five children and it had written "for the children." it's hard to imagine what's going on in the brains of russians. all the railway stations this is controlled by ukraine and crucial for the humanitarian mission. many international organizations have used this road to evacuate people who wants to escape the war. in my opinion therefore the russians intentionally killed
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civilians. no matter how the aggressive tried to hide them we hope those responsible will be punished. >> you know, as you just talked about all of these people were trying to seek safety. they were just leaving with the few belongings that they have. is this going to keep ukrainians from wanting to flee afraid that if they try and go to a train station, for instance to get out it will be, in fact, bombed? >> you know, russians wants to use them like a human shield. anyway they tried to do that. and yes, people probably will be afraid, but you know what is
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worse to stay in a basement when all this is around you or try to escape. >> what did you make of the british prime minister visiting with volodymyr zelenskyy today in kyiv making that trip? >> of course britain helps a lot. however, we should not forget that the russian army outnumbers us we know exactly what we are fighting for, but we will still
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ask for more weapon. for us it's a matter of survival and survive as a nation. they always help with the weapons and express much concern. therefore we are very grateful for the government. but we still need weapons for air defense. >> the british foreign ministry is saying that there is expected to be increased air activity in the south and east of ukraine by the russian military. what are the expectations from the ukrainian military to push the russians back in the areas that they've occupied in the
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east? >> they withdraw troops, but it can be said they have no plans to take kyiv in the future. therefore they regroup and prepare for a new offensive attack, and we probably expect that. >> anna, we thank you for speaking with us this afternoon. all right, much more on the war in ukraine, everybody, throughout the hour. also blindfolded and brought to an unknown location. as more states limit a right to choose one woman's traumatic story on what it took to get an illegal abortion at 15. why she fights to make sure no one faces that. and more than 160 references to child porn during the confirmation hearings for judge ketanji brown jackson, the gop
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such care. the other restricting not only classroom discussions surrounding lgbtq discussions for children but mandating children use the bathroom that corresponds with the gender on their birth certificate. we have heard some of the loudest voices in the party malign opponents of these bills as rumors and as pro-pedophile. congresswoman marjorie taylor greene leading that shocking but somewhat familiar charge, and this week she took it even further labeling not just democrats but three fellow republicans, senators romney, murkowski, and collins, as pro-pedophile all for supporting the historic nomination of justice ketanji brown jackson to the supreme court. my next guest writing, quote, greene is attempting to say jackson's record on sentencing child pornography possession offenders which some republicans have claimed it's disconcertly lenient despite the reality her sentencing record is actually
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mainstream is tantamount to embracing pedophiles. thanks for joining us on this. i want to read for folks a little bit more from the piece you wrote in which you quote a political scientist from john hopkins, and you say this. as lilliana mason tells me in november dehumanizing and vilifying opponents, thinking of them as evil rather than just politically wrong, is a lubricant for violence. can you expand on this for me? >> sure. basically the whole sort of premise of creating disinformation about the idea of the democrats being a party of pedophiles or raising pedophiles is to sort of really demonize them. because if you say the opposition doesn't just have different views but actually is sort of this, you know, sort of perverse group of people who's willing to prey on the most
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vulnerable people in society, they're not just to be opposed on political ground but on moral grounds just as basically not as sort of fully human. and the problem with this sort of process of demonizing the opposition is it dehumanizes them. and when you dehumanize the opposition it kind of creates more fertile soil for taking extreme actions which includes political violence as mason has explored in some of her recent scholarship. >> it was of course pizza gate, a guy walked into a restaurant and opened fire there in 2016 because he claimed he was fighting this democrat sex ring that was supposedly in the basement of this restaurant associated with hillary clinton. that then led to qanon. so is there any sense that this type of talk is just an appeal to "q" supporters? >> yeah, i think that greene's
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sort of spearheading this messaging marks a more aggressive mainstreaming of qanon-type thinking and disinformation. it is the sort of thing that will slip further and further into the mainstream of the party. and what's even more worrying it's not just marjorie taylor greene doing this but other figures in the party are also trying to mainstream. we saw during the supreme court justice confirmation hearings that josh holley -- senator josh holley was constantly implying in some way that, you know, jackson's record on sentencing child porn offenders was the same thing as being sort of pro-pedophile. and we've also seen that, you know, ron desantis' press secretary has said that anyone who criticizes the don't say gay bill in florida is actually a groomer, which is, you know, perverse and absurd. and so it's not just greene.
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she's really the tip of the spear. >>i yeah. so you ask some good questions in this piece. those questions are where is the off-ramp. how do you dehumanize an entire population you've decided is demonic? what was does this mean for our country? >> well, it's really difficult to see how you can make the opposition out to become in some sense entirely monstrous and then also at the same time engage in good faith negotiation with them over legislation and policy and consider election contests to be the sort of things you can back down from easily. what this does is make elections not just sort of political competitions but sort of battles over the soul of america and can convince, unfortunately, some elements of the republican base who are more easily manipulated
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by extreme right-wing media that this is an existential sort of battle for the future of their children. and it's very, very dangerous. and it's very difficult to sort of see in the short-term how the republicans can sort of walk back from this sort of thing. >> yeah, and these types of words as we have seen lead to real life consequences, putting peoples lives in jeopardy, certainly also people marginalized as well. it's a really smart piece and we thank you for writing it and sharing it with us. coming up -- >> she tells me roman was shot in the back by russian troops on march 17th as he was walking away. he crawled back to the house. i'm sorry i let you down. >> -- we take you to a town near bucha being decimated. n near bucha being decimated.
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the true toll of putin's war against ukraine can be measured by the families torn apart by russian violence. and nowhere is that more clear than the ravaged towns outside ukraine's capital of kyiv. images of civilians shot i killed in the streets of bucha tore across the globe last week, but president zelenskyy says that the destruction left by russian forces in neighboring borodyanka is, quote, much worse. nbc's molly hunter has more. >> reporter: driving 30 miles north of kyiv through winding check points, past destroyed russian tanks -- we counted eight just here -- we reach the village of borodyanka on the strategic route of belarus from the capital kyiv it was hit hard and early occupied by russian troops quickly. before the war 12,000 people lived here. officials say bodies are still being found under the rubble. the true scale of atrocities the russians left behind when they retreated last week may take years to uncover.
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the number of those who stayed and the true death toll still unknown. marina waved us down as we arrived. she shows us her city center. she says after this apartment building was bombed they could hear screams for days. people underneath were sending messages for help, but the russians she said, shot anyone who tried to rescue them. she says it was horrific here. you have no idea. my neighbor had to bury her son in our backyard, she says, you have to come see it. she takes us through the back gate to the shallow grave, and she starts telling us the story but then goes to get her number tiesa. the 80-year-old has now buried both her children. she says roman was 57.
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inside the grave she put a note with his name where he was born and details about his death. she plans to rebury him in a cemetery when this is all over. she tells me roman was shot in the back by russian troops on march 17th as he was walking away. he crawled back to the house. i am sorry i let you down, he told his mother. and by morning he was dead. the russians are liars, she says, they're all liars. her grandson comes over. he returned at the end of march but it was five days too late. how did you find out that your father died? >> when i came here. >> reporter: so you came back expecting to see him. >> yes. >> reporter: and they told you he's been dead for five days? >> yes. it was like this. >> reporter: with no lick tresty, no cell service there was no way to call anyone. he's now heading east to fight
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for his father. and she'll stay? >> she'll stay. >> reporter: then she says for you taking my hands, you need to have a happy life, she says. she wants to show us pictures at her apartment. that's roman when he was little. her daughter died years ago. he was her only child left. what was he like? he was smart, she says. he spoke english, he brought me tulips on my birthday. she says she doesn't have any
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recent photos, but this is how she'll remember her boy. >> our thanks to molly hunter for that. a short time ago a global fund-raiser in warsaw raised more than $9 billion you'reees in donations, loans and grants for ukrainian refugees. nbc's dasha burns is joining us now from warsaw. let's speak to some of what you are saying in poland there especially with the woman you've been speaking to who had to flee ukraine amidst this war to give birth to little babies there in poland without their partners. >> reporter: we have seen so many heart breaking stories, touching stories, stories of both resilience and stories of generosity, and you talked about
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that fund-raiser, the money that is going to support the effort to help refugees. poland, of course, has taken in and welcomed the largest number of refugees of any country. and the efforts we've seen here has been nothing short of remarkable, what this country has been able to do in just weeks time is extraordinary. and a majority of that, which is something that honestly still is amazing to me, it really is coming from the ground up. it's everyday people, volunteers that are creating these relief efforts, these systems, these services. but they need help in order to sustain that generosity because so many refugees now have been here for over a month, right? and they are starting to need to access those social services, those systems from health care to education. every day more ukrainian children enter public schools here in poland. and when you're looking at that
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medium term support that's needed there's going to be a lot of solutions, a lot of problem solving that needs to happen and they need support for that. you mention those mothers, health care, right, the things you don't think about, the pregnant women that have to flee war that never imagined they'd have to make that journey while pregnant, that thathey'd be giving birth in another country without their husbands, many of whom are back home fighting for their country right now. and while it was unexpected and not how they planned it, still when you speak to them you hear that hope is also being born. take a listen to our conversation. does she give you hope? >> translator: yes, of course. we hope that the war will end soon and we all will get home and we'll be all together.
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>> reporter: what do you want for her future? >> translator: i want no war for her. we heard a lot about the war but we never imagined what it looks like. >> her husband is back home fighting for their country, and her little girl, her name means peace, and she certainly hopes that her baby represents that for the future. >> that's so beautiful, that name. and i can't help but think about when you look into that little baby's eyes, that newborn, and you know that baby has no idea of what's going on around them, what they were born into. so the hope is only that they can return home safely and peacefully as her baby's name represents. dasha burns, great reporting. thank you. up next, everybody, a tale
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of two states. you've got oklahoma passing now what is strictest abortion law in the country. and michigan's governor trying to solidify the right to choose. i'm going to talk to one woman a terrifying story of getting an abortion at 15 years old, what she want to make sure no woman has to go through. we'll be right back. go through. we'll be right back. shop the bn of outdoor furniture and furnish your habitat from you habitat. get a new grill and cook over an open flame. now that's outdoorsy! go wild on garden decor. find shelter from the elements and from predators. or just be one with nature. this year spend less and go all outdoorsy at wayfair. ♪ wayfair you got just what i need ♪
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in oklahoma the statehouse
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has passed the closest thing to a complete ban on abortions the u.s. has seen since 1973. so the governor says he will sign a bill that makes performing an abortion a felony punishable by up to ten years in prison and a $100,000 fine. the only exception would be an extreme medical emergency to save the life of someone who's pregnant. the measure is part of a wave of stringent abortion restrictions enacted by legislatures in republican led states. the laws are drawing criticism from abortion rights activists especially after comments like this one. >> eternal souls woven into earth and vessels sanctified by all mighty god endowed with the miracle of life are denied their birth by a nation that was born in freedom. >> the antidote to darkness is
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light. >> a couple states are making moves in the other direction. aimed at guaranteeing reproductive rights in the state. gretchen whitmer has filed a suit to keep abortion legal in her state if the supreme court rolls back the roe v. wade ruling. starting us off is emily wales. thanks for joining us on this. we appreciate it. this not only impacts women living in oklahoma but this is also impacting women specifically living in texas as well. i've been in the border state of texas especially after that strict texas abortion law was passed. you had a heck of a lot of women trying to seek out abortion services elsewhere because they couldn't get it in their current state, and the same thing was happening in oklahoma. >> absolutely. reelry for the past seven months
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wave been living in a situation that's a crisis. we know what desperation looks like. we see it in the faces of our patients when they've woken up at 3:00 or 4:00 a.m., driven hours, often lied to family and friends not because their family and friends wouldn't be supportive but they feel that their actions are criminal and they'd be putting their family and friends at risk if they told them they needed abortion care. now our legislature is choosing to create the same crisis here at home. >> here's the thing, we have to be aware also kind of the geography of all this. if you're looking at the border states of texas you understand the reason why a young woman would get up in texas and seek abortion services elsewhere. if you have oklahoma subsequently shutdown you're looking at 10 to 15 hour drive from central texas elsewhere to seek out abortion services and you're also considering, of course, the mental anguish this individual is going through,
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mental resources that are needed which i heard a lot about on the ground, and the time they need to set aside to do something like this. >> exactly. many of our patients have been able to navigate with a great deal of challenge restrictions that have been in place for a long time. but when you add on top of the hurdles that already exist in restrictive states like texas and oklahoma, when you put on top of that a long trip, care is not accessible to everyone. we do have people calling us devastated when they realize they won't be able to figure out the logistics of child care and missing time from work to get to another state for care. this care is very regional. in our part of the country do not have enough providers and so when you lose a state like texas and add to it oklahoma, the system isn't going to be strained. it will break. >> i guess the big question here is what is going to be done about it? the governor still has to sign this into law.
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the aclu has already said the oklahoma pill is unconstitutional and will in fact be challenging that. what's next? >> that's right. we do plan to join and challenge the law. we will try everything we can to continue providing care for our patients who deserve access, but at the end of the day this bill is not the only one we're facing. this is more of a traditional ban. it doesn't have that individual vigilante sue your neighbor bill like texas has. >> emily wells, thank you. we mention what's going on in michigan governor whitmer filing a suit to keep abortion legal in her state saying the assault on women's bodily atonmy is no longer a theoretical risk as states advance near a total abortion ban.
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so the threat is not just something -- when she was 15 she was blindfolded, tagen to a dirty crowded warehouse in detroit. after her botched legal abortion her uterus was packed with gauze in the hopes she would go into labor and pass the pregnancy at home. she did not. this went on for days until she was eventually blindfolded again undergoing another abortion attempt, an excruciating pain until eventually she started having contractions. it is a gruesome, inhumane trauma that she says could become the reality for countless women across the country if the attack on women's right to choose is not confronted. rene joins me now. thank you for joining us on this and for sharing this incredibly private story with the world, to
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hear what you went through. what was that like? >> well, thank you, first of all, for having me on the show. i mean i was 15 years old. as scared as i was i realize that my parents were much more scared. but for me it was a second chance at my life, and i would have done anything. i thought god had sort of reached down and given me a second chance to live my life, and i was willing to take that. >> what were your circumstances at the time in surrounding your surroundings and your decision to get this abortion? >> well, i was 15 years old. i was getting ready to marry my 16-year-old boyfriend, and i would be kicked out of high school. i wouldn't be allowed to finish, and i wouldn't be allowed to come back although my boyfriend would have been allowed to. and my parents came and asked me if i wanted an abortion, and i had no idea what one was. and they explained to me that i
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wouldn't be pregnant anymore, however that it was illegal and it would be secret, and we couldn't talk about it. and they didn't really explain much more because they didn't want to scare me. my mother was six months pregnant with my youngest sister, so my father really took -- took good care of me and went with me for the abortion because he was afraid my mother -- we didn't know what would happen to me but then he was afraid what would happen to my mother. >> yeah. so you write in your piece about how you fear history will repeat itself and i want to read a part of this. we're going to see a public health crisis in this country we haven't seen since before roemism what worries me women will face exactly what i faced. it will be illegal abortion shops setup again. while some people feel they'll be able to get pills online or
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through friends, it's going to become more and more difficult. what is, rene, at stake here? >> what is what? >> what is at stake here? >> we are -- we are expected to see more and more states passing laws like texas, like oklahoma. women are not going to be able to travel across the country or many women won't be able to. some women will be able to get pills online, but states are starting to pass restrictions on mailing pills or getting pills online, and restrictions are more and more punitive. we're going to see women start resorting to self-abortions, and we're going to start seeing hospitals filled with pregnant people who have tried to self-abort. we've had abortion legal and safe for 49 years, and this
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generation of people don't know what it's like. >> don't know what it's like. i'm terrified for your daughters, your friends, for everyone's daughters. no one should have to go through what i did. >> i want to highlight a ballot initiative you and a group of others have been working on if we could bring that up. walk us through how this initiative could feasibly keep clinics in michigan open. >> we are collecting petitions, signatures that will go on the ballot in november. and it will protect abortion and reproductive rights in the michigan state constitution. so i'd like to ask everybody to please visit mireproductive freedom.org to sign a petition to donate money and volunteer to collect signatures.
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we want to become a safe haven state for all michiganders, but i believe it'll not only be a safe haven state for people in michigan but for surrounding states. >> go ahead. >> oh, no, and i said i hope a blueprint for other states to follow. >> do you have hope for governor whitmer's actions here? >> i have hope, but we're working on multiple strategies. and i appreciate and i'm so grateful for governor whitper's brave actions and i want to thank her. but the aclu of michigan and planned parenthood also filed a lawsuit the same day. however, if either one of those succeed we still need this ballot measure to protective reproductive abortion rights in the michigan state constitution, so they can't be overturned by a newly elected lemg s lacher or a newly elected governor. this has to be producted in the michigan state constitution.
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>> rene chilean, thank you. still ahead, everybody a first-hand account of the deadly attack on the train station in ukraine. what the crew of paying spacex customers are doing on their ten-day mission. we'll be right back. their ten-day mission. we'll be right back. ruby's a1c is down with rybelsus®. my a1c wasn't at goal, now i'm down with rybelsus®. mom's a1c is down with rybelsus®. (♪ ♪) in a clinical study, once-daily rybelsus® significantly lowered a1c better than a leading branded pill. rybelsus® isn't for people with type 1 diabetes. don't take rybelsus® if you or your family ever had medullary thyroid cancer, or have multiple endocrine neoplasia syndrome type 2, or if allergic to it. stop rybelsus® and get medical help right away if you get a lump or swelling in your neck, severe stomach pain, or an allergic reaction. serious side effects may include pancreatitis. tell your provider about vision problems or changes.
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some of the top stories we're tracking here. devastating news in the sports world. pittsburgh steelers quarterback dwayne haskins jr. was killed in a traffic accident. the state highway patrol says the 24-year-old was struck by a dump truck while trying to walk across a florida highway. in austin, texas, 11 people injured after a car struck them in the downtown area overnight. 9 victims have been hospitalized. two suffered life-threatening injuries. the cause of the crash is under
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investigation. the drivers involved are cooperating with police. france's presidential election is tomorrow with far right challenger closing the poling gap with president emmanuel macron. french voters have 12 voters to choose, but those two are headed for a rematch from 2017 when macron won with 66% of the vote. happening now, a spacex capsule carrying three paying customers and the former nasa astronaut arrived at the international space station. the launch was from kennedy space center friday morning. jesse kirsh is here. how much did these paying customers pay for this trip? >> you're going to wince at this. the number we have is $55
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million, each. that's three people paying $55 million each. the fourth person the commander works for axiom. he rides for free. i hope they're having fun. they're also going to be working up there. >> $55 million and you got to work. what do you have to do? >> ten-day mission. they're on board. they were welcomed by the seven people on board. they'll be doing research. this is the build-up for the first commercial space station. it's the international space station. the idea for this company, axiom, is to run it by themselves and dr. neil degrasse tyson said this would create an environment where industry could focus on low earth orbit and nasa can look at the next final frontier. we have some images and sound from when they first arrived earlier this morning. this is what it looked like when the crew first got there.
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>> commander making his way down. there we are. the first one through followed by mark making his way on to the space station. looks like just behind him is larry, the pilot, for the mission. >> that is pretty cool. that is so cool. >> it never gets old. >> never gets old. there was a delay this morning. what happened? >> it never gets old. this is a reminder that we're balancing the insanity of going to space with the complexity of it. i'm waiting for the space craft to dock with the station. then we hear hold on. they were told to hold 20 meters from the iss. they were staring it down. they didn't have a video feed on the space craft. they had to wait to get video. they made it. >> all that travel, 55 million
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plus later and then you got to wait an extra hour to get the video up and running. jesse, thank you. at the top of the hour, breaking news and a surprise visit to kyiv by prime minister boris johnson. what we learned about his meeting with president zelenskyy. we'll be right back. zelenskyy. we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ we believe there's an innovator in all of us. ♪ ♪ that's why we build technology that makes it possible for every business...
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welcome back, everybody. if you are just joining us, thanks for joining us. if you're sticking around through, we thank you for that as well. we continue to follow the latest developments out of ukraine. a surprise visit from the british prime minister to kyiv. one of a number of world leaders rushing in after russians abandoned their attack on the capital, but the carnage continuing. >> new video of the horrific attack on a train station and the innocent civilians there. also new information, vladimir putin putting a new general in charge. we'll talk about the significance of that later on in this

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