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race -- is here to tell us why he thinks it is going to be as willing winning strategy. ♪ ♪ ♪ a good sunday morning to you, i'm katie thing. with so much going on in ukraine, let's start with the question i'm asking this morning. our ukraine in the west are ready for a russian reset? ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy chose told the associated press that he is committed to peace, despite russian attacks on civilians. he also told the ap that he is asking for more weapons ahead of unexpected surge in fighting in the country's east, as the united states and european child assessments believe that russia is revising its goals and plans. according to united key, the military intelligence, russian law enforcement are using troops that have been discharged from military service in the last ten years. but, also they are trying to recruit help from moldova. this all comes as british prime

minister boris johnson made a surprise visit to kyiv, to show that his country is pitching in. >> we will give you the support that you need. the economics, but also of course the defense of military support. >> many are saying, the, the britain and the united states still need to do more to help stop these atrocities. just today, the mariupol city council claim that russians are burning ukrainian bodies there to cover up their crimes. let's get the latest from the ground in ukraine. ron sanchez is live in lviv for us. rough, what came out of that meeting between boris johnson and zelenskyy yesterday? >> k, boris johnson have been very eager to go to kyiv for a long time. security officials in britain finally said it was safe enough to do so. at that meeting, sitting across from zelenskyy, johnson in his suit, zelenskyy's military fatigues, the british prime minister pledged 120 new

armored vehicles to the ukrainian military. he also said that britain will be providing anti-ship missiles. that will be really important as ukraine tries to defend its southern coast from further invasion by russian forces on the black sea. he is also offering new loan guarantees from the world bank. the idea there is to try to prop up ukrainian economy, as well as the ukrainian military. katie? >> we've also seen the president of the european -- is there any chance that the united states officials could be heading to kyiv to also visit zelenskyy anytime soon? >> that is the big question. if it is safe enough to go to the ukrainian capital for the prime minister of the uk for ursula von der leyen, the most senior official in the european union, then might we start seeing senior american officials go, no american has

meant to lewinsky face-to-face since the war began, 46 days ago. the ukrainian people will certainly see it hasn't enormous gesture of solidarity, if someone senior from the biden administration, words have come here, words have walked the streets of kyiv. the way we sought to boris johnson do. right now, there is no official answer from the state department, the pentagon, the white house, of anybody coming here. we are also wondering with european leaders might we see. macron is getting into the -- so we might see him, but we might see visits from other nato allies in europe. >> rough essential, as thank you so much for meeting us there in lviv. >> as a, wife a daughter, a

mother, i'm gutted by what i am seeing and hearing. there is just so much death, pain, and destruction. and for what? so that putin can create his new russia? we asked earlier in the segment, what is going to be done to help ukraine? but maybe the real question is, what more should we be doing? it seems like the common denominator problem is putin. seeding him any ground will set the wrong precedent. i am worried there won't be anything left for the 4.4 7 million displaced ukrainian refugees to come home to. and that is even if they come home. they're nine states refugee agency noted that only 3% of refugees return to their country of origin. that is only 3%. so at this, point we have to do more than just hope that this war comes to an end soon. here is home, donald trump holds yet another rally. this one in rural north carolina. he kept up his lies about the 2020 election. stumped for senate candidate

ted by. this time, he invented a speaker who calls president zelenskyy a thug, in his government, corrupt. that is congressman madison cawthorn, best known for you for talking about cocaine and orders on capitol hill. -- was there in north carolina. >> sudden-ites rally in north carolina it was all about the gop and former president xia trump, paulding a come back to retake the house and senate, and ultimately restore republican majority. there was also one special guest here that many people have their eyes on. that was representative madison hawthorne. congressman from north carolina. he's been in the news a lot. he calls the president of ukraine zelenskyy a thug. he called ukrainian government corrupt. and then made notorious comments on a podcast saying he had been invited to orgies. and that he witnessed people in

washington, d.c., using cocaine. these remarks have made many of his republican colleagues pull away from him in recent days. if the counter tonight was any indication, those comments have not had an impact on conservative supporters here in north carolina. in fact, aside from trump, madison cawthorn received one of the most enthusiastic welcomes of the evening. his race is going to be a fascinating one to watch here. he's being challenged by seven other republicans for the seat. it is really a question of how valuable trump's endorsement is at this time, and how currently former president grandma is on the gop, as we move towards the may 17th primary. back to you. >> antonia, thank. that is the latest in north carolina. here is what i want to know. is our political system broken because of politicians obviously only care about headlines and viral moments? plus, how much impact do those politicians actually have all our laws and our way of life?

>> coming up, i'm going to ask political reporter mark caputo exactly those questions. now to a stunning case out of texas. a 26 year old woman is facing murder charges for what a grand jury indictment says was a self induced abortion. at least sell herrera was released on a half 1 million dollar bond last night, with the help of an abortion advocacy fund. it is unclear now with this case has anything to do with the new law in texas banning abortion after six weeks. here to answer our question is toxic public radio's pablo -- you reported the story yesterday, it is obviously big news. one of the biggest questions is, once a law issued being charged under? we look for that saturday could not find it. >> hi, good morning. the grand jury indictments that we brought forth by the district attorney, it has details. she was charged with murder, basically.

the language in the indictment is that it is self induced abortion. happened after arrived in the hospital in the county to seek medical care. and so we actually don't have any more details than that. with a kid tell you about what's been called the heartbeat bill in texas, is that this law allows for individuals, private citizens, to sneak statutory damages starting from $10,000 and up from individuals who may have had an abortion. that would be a lawsuit. statutory damages. it doesn't seem like that is what is happening in this case. however, the reason we are talking about siv eight is because this legislation in texas has created quite a lot of fear and anxiety for people seeking abortions in the state. it has been widely reported that thousands of texans have gone out of state to get abortions sense the bill was

passed into law. and so we have communities, allowing communities, communities with people of color, where resources for abortions were already limited. these laws make it even more difficult to seek safe abortions. is that something that happened here? we need even more details about what happened that night. the hospital, the district attorney has not made any public announcement so far. >> pablo, this is still very early on. we do even we don't even know miss herrera's involvement in this. but we do know that the hospital reported her to the authorities. can you give us a bit more insight about that particular fact that we are confirming? >> we still have to confirm exactly who said what. go forward to the police.

why wasn't he set? i can tell you that this is not suddenly happens all the time. i spoke to the founder and chairwoman of the -- fun, an abortion advocacy group. she told me that this is probably the first case like this in the whole state. it so they are trying to far more about what that means. and i think we are going to have to wait to see details in terms of what was the exact thing reported to police. >> pablo de la rosa, from texas public radio, thank you for your time, please keep us posted and let me now. >> thank you for having me. >> that is the latest of texas. i want to know, what was this woman charged under? the murder started in texas that we just heard from pablo, does it apply to the limited facts that we know? i also want to know whether it is possible whether we can start seeing other arrests, not lawsuits, but arrests in states with equally restrictive

abortion laws. coming up, i'm going to get into those legal nuances with our nbc legal analyst glenn kershner. also, the man he once said he was willing to give his life for the -- highs had a change of heart. alexander says he is now cooperating with authority as they investigate. what's going to happen, and why the flip? also, unique insight when it comes to this former trump lawyer, michael cohen, joins us next. before we go to break, derek brown has some other top stories you may have missed from yesterday. >> thank you katie. we have some breaking news this morning. police are investigating a shooting at a nightclub in cedar rapids, iowa. which has reportedly lost two dead, ten injured. the police say the scene is secured and they are interviewing witnesses for more information. voters in france head to the polls for the first round of a nail-biting presidential election today. president macron is facing a

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so, he went from willing to give his life for the big lie to now cooperating with the doj. ali alexander, a key figure in the stop the steal movement, said that he received a federal grand jury subpoena so now he's going to help with the expanding investigation into the attack on the capitol. but, just last december alexander was holding rallies based on false claims of election fraud and he tweeted that he would give his life for

that. so, what's changed? and how might his cooperation help investigators? i've got the right person to ask. joining me now is michael cohen, who once served as donald trump's lawyer and chief problem soul for. michael flip on his old boss help with that probe into russian meddling. but what did he get for meddling? possibly a clean conscience, but also three years in prison. so what is the roadmap for a potential trump indictment? right now as michael cohen, vice president of the trump organization and former counsel to donald trump. michael, you are also the host of the podcast mea culpa. i know that you have talked about this a decent amount but i want to know. based on your experience cooperating with various law enforcement investigations, can you give us some insight on what ali alexander might be in for now? he says he's collaborating with the doj and their probe into the capitol. >> let me say this. i don't particularly care for

the word flip. when i did was i cooperated. and that's what i suspect ali alexander is doing. i don't believe that we have the same reasons for why we cooperated. i cooperated because a man who i at protected for over a decade and longer decided that i should be the scapegoat for his dirty deeds. ali alexander is a completely different scenario. this is a guy who is obviously trying to financially benefit himself, and now it is not his best interest to continue to play as the, in the trump dumpster. right? so he is now cooperating. that's actually all of our obligation, to cool whopper eight with law enforcement, to cooperate with congress. think that you're not really seeing from the inner circle that surrounds trump. >> so, michael let's be clear. in this instance, ali alexander is claiming he doesn't really know anything. he says, i'm cooperating, but i don't really know anything of

value. when it comes to you, though, you know this former president very, very well. but it seems like he hasn't faced any legal consequences for his the mentally lawless activity. michael, tell me. is there a roadmap you could provide that would result in an indictment of donald trump? >> let me say this. i'm very disappointed, as are many people, and the fact that our district attorney here in new york, alvin bray, despite what he says in the most recent statement that the investigation is ongoing and continuing. i believe, personally, that it's not. i make that statement simply because, in the two plus months since alvin bragg has been an office, i have yet to speak to him once. moreover, they actually returned to me thousands and thousands of original documents. anybody that knows how the prosecutorial system works, yourself included, you know that they like to keep the originals. generally, they don't give you

copies back either, that's just how the system works. the fact that they returned this box of documents that i had provided, which in and of itself is a roadmap to a absolute indictment and prosecution of not just donald but the children, the organization, allen weisselberg as well. the fact that they returned it to me was, to me, a clear indication that the case is not going to go forward. >> michael, -- . >> why he doesn't just come out and say, so i don't know. >> michael, my apologies, but you're no wall flower. when they're doing stuff from brags office by giving you back these regional documents that, in your own words, provide a roadmap for not only the legal culpability for trump and others. did you ask them, what are you doing? why did you give me the step back? >> yeah, so the answer is no. like i stated, i have not spoken to alvin bragg. i spoke wants to mark pomerantz, since he has put that statement out and left the office. the fact that, after two years,

remember, when i was an otis ville the district attorney's office, five individuals in the district attorney's office, came to see me not once, not twice but three times. that's what's ultimately brought about the case, in order to obtain trump's tax returns. you know, the fact that mark pomerantz, who is an expert in this, makes a statement to alvin bragg that i believe we shouldn't item mediately and we should prosecute. the fact that they let him go and did not continue with it is, again, it can indication to me that the case is not going forward. because there is nobody more experienced in this kind of litigation that mark pomerantz and carrie done, from the da's office. >> quickly, in the time i have left with you michael, about 30 seconds. attorney general letitia james is looking to hold donald trump in civil contempt for her his attempts to stonewall her civil tax investigation.

as you know, that probably began because you gave on us testimony to congress that trump have laid his asset values to reduce read tail real estate values along with other criminal offenses. with how you know about how things worked with trump, is she focusing on the right places? >> she is laser focused. i give her a tremendous amount of credit for what she's doing right now. i say this all the time, it's so worth repeating, i don't want to see donald trump or anybody indicted or prosecuted simply because i fundamentally disagree with them on virtually everything. i want to see them prosecuted because they broke the law. and a specific case, they did break the law. i know it because, again, i have the documents. fortunately, the ag has plenty of those documents and i have met with them in the past as well. and i believe that alvin bragg, as the da, his job is not to convict, his job is to

prosecute. and they wasted a tremendous opportunity. my only hope is that he's watching your show, katie, and that he reconsiders has position, requests mark pomerantz, carried on and others to come back. and to continue. because i really always believed that the new york's da's case was the strongest of all of them. remember, you have tish james this case, it's civil. kenneth turned criminal? the answer to that is yes. but at the moment, it's still just civil. >> well, michael cohen, hopefully brag and others are turning and watching the show. thank you. you can hear more from michael from his podcast, mea culpa. coming up, rebuke by party leadership but embraced by trump. the former president had madison cawthorn speak at his rally in north carolina last night. despite those orgies and cocaine comments that are intimate schooled from kevin mccarthy. what message does assented xi of the leadership? we'll be right back, live, from

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saying that he loved the congressman. that is not clear for the voters. it says that many republicans in the state are fed up. one says, i think everyone has pretty much jumped ship. a voter who voted for confidently past said that he is not going to do so again. the orgy and concave cocaine comment were too much for him. here to talk about this is nbc news reporter mark caputo, and a good friend from here in miami. mark, this article seems to show that these controversies in washington couldn't get different with voters back home. even voters in the candidates own party. i want to divide is there between the temp trump base and basically what is left of the gop? >> if you look at the polling, it is still trump's party. when trump has madison cawthorn on stage, that is good for cawthorn. he's got seven opponents who are running against him in the primaries. that is going to be difficult to unsee if you have too many people, basically it is going to default to the income.

>> even though we see the cocaine or two comments, the reporting that the support is dwindling for somebody like madison cawthorn, who bile accounts people is saying is a liability to the party. we still have the feeling that he's maybe going to be able to hold this seat? >> income it's also always way. he did at one point talk about moving to another seat, and then changed his mind. he is not a long history of, let's just say, exaggerating. he could not tell the truth about being accepted into the naval academy. the man who put him in a wheelchair, he did not tell the truth about his status or roll in the car crash, or how healthy he was afterwards. madison cawthorn said he was basically dead, that is not true. the cocaine organs thing kind of fits within this pattern and -- >> brand. >> exactly. big fish, about a man who seriously exaggerates everything, it seems like that is madison cawthorn. >> and a liar, too.

you just much this, performative politics. right now, specifically moments like this. take a look. >> maybe we would be better at them if the national defense and university actually worked a little more on strategy, and a little less on woke is on. >> do you agree with this book is being taught with kids, that babies are racist? >> can you provide the definition for the word woman? >> on a scale of 1 to 10, how faithful would you say you are? >> more cocaine, more dangerous than powder, or less, or the same? >> i must tell, you these leftist politicians, corporate media outlets, activist groups, they actually have read the bill. and they are slowly nearing because they do not want to admit that they support a lot of the things that we are providing protection against. for example, they support sexualizing kids in kindergarten. >> let us take a closer look at what some of these politicians are actually doing and getting

done. representative matt gates, taylor greene, matt gates, and lauren boebert, those four -- house sponsored any bills, only one of which is been passed by the house. it is worth noting that only three of the four have been in office while the -- anti-democratic office. this is not include co-sponsor bills. how are we going to fix this brand of performative politics mark? is there a fix to this? >> i do not want to be too much of a pessimist, but politicians would not be doing this if it did not work. and alternately, congress for a number of years has and not been very productive. i think it is probably fair to say that many congresses are do-nothing congresses. that being said, they passed massive spending bills, only now people realizing the import and the policy that is there. but by and, large your average member of congress is going up there and taking votes that ultimately are on bills that do not pass. whether it is matt gates or aoc. in the reality is that,

especially if you are in the minority, you are influence is attenuated. >> so that is pretty pessimistic, though, mark. you have been able to look at races and some, likely madison cawthorn race, some like matt gates on our home state of florida, is there time's up type of secret sauce that the democrats are able to achieve? other than voters just saying, i cannot vote them into office. >> this is madison cawthorn's district. he's a republican districts. that is why they reflect their our electorate, and get elected. the democrats missing those secrets moss in that swing district, the number of swing districts is decreasing. because of gerrymandering. >> lots of problems there at this point. >> and also we are segregating ourselves. republicans are increasingly living closer to each other, and democrats are increasingly living closer to each other. so get ready to see more of this. i'm not sure i will see much of a change for quite some time. >> mark caputo, we are going to

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needed another reason to be on high alert, they may have won this morning. as we learned that a woman was charged with murder for a self induced abortion in texas. 26 year old lasalle herrera was arrested on thursday, she was in jail 5000 dollar bond and she bonded out last night for what we learned, with the language was, according to the indictment, intentionally unknowingly causing the death of an individual by self induced abortion. that's according to the star county sheriff's office. we want to be clear, there's a lot we don't know but that case. including whether or not she was the one who was part of it. at this point, what we do know is this will add to the fear

and anxiety many women already have when the state passed one of the most restrictive abortion laws in the country last year. sb8 makes abortion after detection of a heartbeat illegal, and allows private citizens to sue anyone who helps someone get an abortion. in sport -- across the united states, including oklahoma, where lawmakers voted for a near total ban on abortions just last week. many of these states are getting a head start, as the supreme court prepares to decide on the mississippi case that could overturn roe v. wade in june. legal analyst glenn kirschner, my fellow justice warrior. he's here to discuss the growing concern over these incredibly restrictive gop bills. glenn, it is clear if this arrest in texas was a consequence of sb8, since it's a murder charge. do you think there's any type of correlation between this arrest in that sb8 law? >> yeah, katie, first of all congratulations on your new show. i'm so glad that we'll be

getting our early morning justice on. very excited. this is beyond a head-scratcher. when i read some of the reporting on it, it just kind of knock the constitutional wind out of me. because, as you've set up, sb8, that horrific law in texas which private ties is citizens who can go out marauding the texas countryside trying to deprive women of their constitutionally protected privacy interests. to make decisions about their own pregnancy. that is a civil law, it's not a criminal law. here's what i think we need to know. let's do a quick schoolhouse rock separation of powers discussion. there are nine, states i believe, that still have laws on the books criminalizing abortion. but katy, those lives pre day roe v. wade. they were put on the books before 1973, when you could

still criminalize abortion. i was a prosecutor, so that made me a member of the executive branch. when i was deciding what criminal charges i could or could not bring, i had to take into account with the supreme court had said about what is constitutional and what is not. if there is a law on the books that had, basically, been ruled unconstitutional by the supreme court, the legislature might not have repeal that law, it might still be on the books. but i had an absolute obligation as a prosecutor not to bring what was an unconstitutional charge. so, this is a real curiosity. because this doesn't seem to be directly a product of hp eight but maybe miss herrera was trying to avoid having one of these privatized marauders do something to her, because she wanted to engage in constitutionally protected activity but she decided to

stay home, self induce and, as a result, she caught a criminal charge in texas. now, here is the other complicating factor katie. the texas law of homicide actually has a specific exception saying that, if the homicide of the on board child is a product of an abortion or of the mother doing something, it is also not criminal. so, i don't think anybody can yet unravel how in the world texas data 30's have a lawful right, an ethical right, to bring a homicide charge against miss herrera for engaging in itself abortion. >> yeah, glenn, really quickly, i have a little bit under a minute left with you. but i really want to talk to you about ginni thomas and justice clarence thomas. his farm, liberty consulting, it takes up work from right wing anti abortion groups. it's an unavoidable reality, she is married to the supreme court justice clarence thomas. when scotus make this decision in june on the dobbs case,

should justice thomas actually recuse himself from that decision? >> yeah, we need to look long and hard about the law of conflict and recusal. because what the supreme court has proven, katie, is that it cannot be trusted to police itself. we have a real crisis of legitimacy in the supreme court. justice thomas decided it was okay to preside over a case that, directly, involved his wife potentially incriminating, and certainly inappropriate, texts. if supreme court justices cannot be trusted to remove themselves from cases in which they have an interest, whether on the chase x front, the interaction front or the abortion front, then the legitimacy of the supreme court is basically all but gone. >> glenn kirschner, fellow justice warrior, thank you so much for being here this morning. coming up, florida's becoming the epicenter for the nations culture wars. as ron desantis pushes a

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stimuli plan. they hug. but fellow republicans were not having. is he got it on the backlash. he left the parties saying that this help killed his republican career. the gop has evolved from tea party to trumpism. civility has taking a backseat. >> if stacey abrams is elected governor of georgia, i just wanted to be honest, that will be a cold war between florida and georgia at that point. i mean, i can't had castro to my south and abrams to my north. that would be a disaster. >> weather is massive. honestly, not doing anything. we have to stop -- this together. if you want to wear, it fine, but this is ridiculous. it >> trying to oppose a woke ideology in our state, we see that as i. threat wokeness will destroy this country if we let it run unabated. >> it is that kind of rhetoric that has truly chris running on

his nice guy reputation. as political puts, is the bent in the end is that the playbook that worked for joe biden against trump in 2020 can work here, again, with chris against dissidents of in 2022. will that work in a state like florida? so far, desantis has raised more than hundred million dollars from his campaign. in polls show him is the second most popular potential presidential candidate for the republican ticket after trump. we should note that we asked the governor to come on for an interview and provide a statement. we have not yet heard back from him. with me now is democratic congressman charlie chris. congressman, we are on the tv with us this morning. some floridians are saying that they are disgusted with what governor desantis has done, his behavior noted. i know they've told you that. you are known for your more calm temperament. and even now, you are running decency and mutual respect. two great principals. but to do really think that is going to win the day here? are you gonna see the desantis

beast into submission? ? >> absolutely. i think it is not a question. floridians are sick of this. a lot of floridians. and i am sick of it. the reason i running for governor is to defeat ron desantis. that has to be delayed oh. we saw here, and that stops. i think it is really important to stay focused on what is good and decent and compassionate. and most floridians are good and decent and compassionate. and i have faith in them. and i have a great faith. and i am confident that we can defeat ron desantis. i know that we need to. the way he's attacking our schools, attacking lgbtq, going after a woman in her rights to choose, it is unconscionable. this is not what florida is about. florida is a good, decent place with good, decent people. >> congressman, with some specificity, can you tell us when you plan to do to help democrats combat policies like

the one you just mentioned? the don't say gay, bill stop the woke, bill and others that have been advanced by a gop-led florida legislature? >> number one, get elected. number two, repeal those laws once i am elected. that is what the mission is here, to right the wrongs of ron. we have to do it. we have to make sure the gate people are not ostracize, gay children specifically. that woman do maintain the right to choose and make decisions about their health care on their body. make sure that all floridians have the right to vote. that is not being suppressed. like desantis is trying to do. making it harder to utilize mail-in ballots. make it harder to have dropbox in minority communities across the state of florida. that is just wrong. why are you trying to suppress the vote of the people of your state, they are your constituents. are you afraid of all these people have the right to vote, he is going to lose? it sounds like he is. >> congressman, we do talk a little bit about the

divisiveness that exists in politics today. it is certainly different from what you are confronted with before. there has been criticism of the democrats just do not take the gloves off. that they are not fighting back as aggressively and as tough as they should be. and that is not just local politics, that if they're actually. do you think the nascar puts you have going to run with voters at this time? >> i think more than anything, it will resonate with the voters. it is why i, heard when i first got elected to congress, going door to door in my district in tampa bay, people would say, charlie if you win, go to washington. bring some civility back to our politics. there are issues that we can agree upon. who does not want a good education for your child? who does not want a safe neighborhood to raise your family in? who does not want a clean environment, for florida in particular? these things we can agree upon. we can work together. but ron desantis does not want to do, that because he's told us on 2024. getting that republican

nomination for president. he is forgetting the rest of florida. good-natured, decent people with good hearts. i wear this yellower span, i don't know if you can see it's, every day. practice the golden rule every day. do unto others as he would have done on to you. if iran desantis was ever talked about the golden, roll he is apparently now forgotten. and that is just not. right it is not what florida is. it is a sunshine state, after all. and i cannot believe the kinds of things that he is doing. even the tacking -- it is unimaginable. >> you are a republican until 2010. you served as the ag in florida, and as a republican governor. you then became a democrat in 2012. in a day and age with such divisive politics, with such clear lines being drawn on the battlefield, do you think your party affiliation is going to create any liability for you in this race? >> no. frankly, i think it is an asset. i really do. moderate republicans know who i am. they know that i am not far

left. they know i'm a mainstream common sense kind of guy. i believe in keeping our taxes low, making sure we do not have a state income tax, which we don't. and doing things that are right. staying focused on things that are down the middle. good public education, safe communities for our people. doing what is. right if people are going to help, they should go to carl charlie crist.com. we need their help. >> although you are leading the democratic path this time, for the first time in florida history, there are more registered republicans than there are registered democrats. how do you overcome something that may end up being, for you, just a pure numbers problem? >> i think we are about a third democrat, third republican, and a third independent. i think it is important is affordable. florida with the governor is elected is that we have skyrocketing property insurance. the cost of housing in our state has gone through the roof. if you are a billionaire or millionaire in florida, you are probably doing okay.

but most floridians are. not working class people are getting squeezed, here katie. as it is not right. we have a governor that does not have their back. i have always had their back. as their attorney general, as the governor, as the commissioner of education. if they gave me the opportunity to be their governor again, i have their back every single day. >> congressman charlie crist, maybe your next photo op should be you and mickey mouse at disney world. i'm sure that would rile up rhonda scientists. thank you for joining. us >> -- congratulations. >> as we wrap up the show -- thank you congressman i appreciate it. as we wrap up the first weekend of the katie phang show, i would like to think some people. but i also want to take a few minutes every time to share another expression of gratitude. i want to thank the people who you don't see from home. the people who worked tirelessly behind the scenes to prepare and produce the show. which you have enjoyed today. well you are sleeping, the team for this show, as well as so many others at msnbc, they have

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