a lot of questions to be answered. chris jansing and jose diaz-balart pick up the breaking news coverage right now. and we continue to follow breaking news coming out of new york city. the fdny now says multiple people have been injured. and five have been shot at a subway station in brooklyn. emergency officials say they also found several undetonated devices at the station on 36th street in sunset park. this is breaking news this morning. i want to go to frank figliuzzi, who was with us this morning. frank, officials still looking for the person behind this attack. >> yeah, the first order of business, jose, is containment. and containment can't happen until you've captured the suspect or suspects, plural. so that means a manhunt across the city, all hands on deck. nypd very capable, but will be

joined by everyone from fbi to atf, u.s. marshals, you name it, all security surveillance cameras, crime scene tape everywhere to contain witnesses. we need witness statements. we need to get security video cameras, cctv, of which there are plenty around the city. this will be handled rapidly, but right now, first priority, capture that suspect, contain the scene, and let's make sure we render safe any of those devices. you'll see a methodical approach to those devices, is it something that can be disrupted? they'll be x-rayed. perhaps you'll see use of robots to come in and determine whether or not this is something that you can use a water cannon on or something that must be destroyed in place or whether a bomb tech can safely dismantle it. >> frank, i was looking just out of the nypd. right now, quote, there are no active explosive devices at this time. in that sense, apparently, that's a bit of good news in

this. we don't know, frank, how this was carried out, right? i mean, there's some reports that the person may have been had a gas mask on. that maybe he was wearing a vest of some type. but really, right now, we know very little about this person who carried out this attack earlier this morning. >> so, what we do know, and of course, you know, jose, from covering these, that early reports are often wrong. but we know so far from statements that this looks like a pre-planned event. why do i say that? if it's true that the suspect was wearing -- went to the lengths of wearing a construction vest, for example. well, that's forethought. he's thinking, i need a cover, to be carrying something, these alleged smoke devices, perhaps. i need to be someone who's going to integrate into the morning crowd and not raise suspicions. he's thought this through. it's not something that he like just snapped and happened on the subway. we have multiple people down. that means there's an intention to hurt a lot of people.

this guy or dpal, whoever it was, thought about it, planned it, he's now executed it. and he may not have thought this through. jose. where is he running to. often i've seen throughout the years these shooters think the shooting through, but not the escape route. they often don't think they will escape. now we have a desperate person on the run. that's where average citizens and nypd can help. someone heard something or knows something. they need to trust their gut and call the police about it. >> you're absolutely right. this happened at the peak of rush hour down in the subway systems. the train station there. the fact that there are five people shot, one may be in critical condition, up to 13 people injured. what does it tell you.

does it tell you that this was a relatively quick action and then this person was intent on getting away. we're talking about thousands of people through this train station. it's a time for him, i guess, to think that he could get out quickly and mix in with the crowd. >> that may go toward the style of weapon. if we have early reports, if they're accurate, of five shot, perhaps deceased, 13 more injured, if that's accurate, now we're approaching 18, 20 people. that happened very quickly in a crowd, in a rush hour crowd. what does that mean? we're dealing with a semi-automatic pistol, rifle. that's something that's capable of rapid fire. and the irony of this, of course, was yesterday, what were we covering? a white house announcement to deal with gun violence. to deal with ghost guns.

new regulations. a new atf nominee for director of atf. why? because this year, as the stats come out from the fbi, very soon, they're going to tell us that we went over 60 mass shootings in america. this will be a mass shooting because of the number of people involved. >> i'm so glad you point that out. because it does seem if these numbers continue, it would probably be a pistol to have 11 to 14 rounds per pistol. just a horrible scene unfolding in brooklyn. vaughn hillyard is at the scene. vaughn, what are you seeing? >> hey, there, jose. i'm actually not here at the scene, but like you, we're trying to gather the information. we know several of our colleagues are en route there. i think it's important for the american public to understand when we're having this conversation, new york is very much back at this point. this is no longer a system in

which the subway is quiet, this is bustling, we're talking about 8:30 in the morning, the height of traffic here, in which we're talking about thousands, hundreds of thousands of people who are working their way through the transit system here. that is why you see this sort of a response here and why it's so staggering that this would take place here. and one can only imagine the chaos, the confusion, not to mention with the smoke there in the air, clearly as the scene was unfolding, just the directions of where to go. there is so much that we are now only beginning to understand here, but the extent to which in these situations here, there's anyone -- i mean, when we're talking about some of these subway systems here, the dnr, at this brooklyn stop, you're talking about multiple entrances. multiple places where people can

go, where they can run here. there are trains running in both directions, at a very frequent pace. there may be a train every one-half to three minutes here that is coming through. we're talking about the heart of brooklyn. it's a very diverse path. and the area is very bustling. not only in like so many including this neighborhood here, we're talking about residential neighborhood. the schools continue to be on lockdown here in this neighborhood. but you're also talking about individual who going in and working at these restaurants and at these businesses. for all intents and purposes, this is the height of new york city. this is a scene that is, of course, of paramount concern, especially when it's not clear

still at this time the individual who was the shooter, where that individual is. and of course, that's what puts new york on high alert here. this is brooklyn, when we're talking about these boroughs here, they're all very interconnected. you can get from brooklyn to manhattan to the bronx, to the queens, all in just a matter of time here. that's where it's important to note, as this investigation and this search unfolds here, to truly understand the impact and the significance not only of this particular neighborhood, but new york city at large. >> indeed, thank you very much. let's bring in pete williams. >> reporter: this will be led by the new york city police department. it's their jurisdiction. they'll take the lead in this. so far, there's no indication that it would be a federal crime. there's no confirmation yet that this would be an act of terrorism. that's the one that would signal the federal investigation would

take the lead. it's very much nypd at this point. the best information that we have at this point, jose, and even though the information is changing by the minute, is that five people were shot, two are in serious condition. we've been given this number that a total of 13 people were injured, but our understanding, that includes the five shooting victims and the other people that were injured in the melee that followed the shooting. we don't believe the number of people shot was above five, but that's very much of a possibly changing information, because this is still very, very are preliminary. on the question of whether explosive devices were found, we've heard many different accounts of whether there were, in fact, either smoke grenades or some other kind of improvised devices found. we've had no confirmation yet of that.

lots of reports of suspicious devices scene, but until the bomb techs can get in there and examine them, we just don't know whether there were, in fact, explosive devices or not, jose. >> we heard maybe there were some devices found, pete? >> suspicious devices i think is the best way to say it. certainly suspicious devices were found. buck imagine first responders getting in there. their main priority is to get to the people who were hurt. and they're not going to stop to examine those items until the other folks have been cleared from the area. that's the process going on now. >> i can just imagine when the chaos breaks off, people left behind, their backpacks, any kind of bags they were carrying. it is get out and get out quick. there are a lot of things that have been left behind. thank you, pete.

stay with us. but i want to talk about the numbers that pete was bringing us. it looks as of right now, five people shot, two in serious condition, and 13, including those five, injured this tells you, frank, what? >> it's still a lot of people to shoot in a compressed period of time. it still looks like there's planning. it still looks like we're talking about at least a semiautomatic pistol, because of the need for rapid fire to take this many people down and i think pete alluded to the federal role and the nypd role. right now, it's a partnership, but to help people distinguish, nypd extremely sophisticated at crime scenes and many other attack resourced that we have. they will literally start looking for the shell casings on the ground and they will begin to check if there's latent fingerprints on those spent shell casings or these other

suspicious devices. and very quickly that will be entered into the database and if the prints exist, they could get an match rather quickly. and there's something called dna, which is incredibly fast. perspiration, perhaps, from the suspect or on the casings. so that's happening very localized in the crime scene. now, globally, the fbi and the entire u.s. intelligence community, when something like this happens, checks their overnight systems and databases. electronic eavesdropping around the world. court-ordered wiretaps. agents are checking with source s, has anyone alluded to this, even cryptically? we'll ask our allies, canada, the uk, australia. have you got anything in your

databases? anything that you've picked up chatter wise? just to ensure that we're not looking at a terrorism attack. >> and you mentioned the shell casings. that's presumably if the person used a pistol. if he used a revolver, a six, even a seven-shot revolver, there would be no casings. frank, what about, for example, the cameras. the cameras down there in the station and around the streets of brooklyn. >> we all know now that we're on camera much of the time, whether we're in a suburban shopping area or much of the city. so the call will go out for all vendors, all city-related, state-related cameras, new york has a great system of tying those in together. it's rather sophisticated. they can do it. london, i think, led the way. london, england on this. nypd has access to the cameras around the city.

children will be looking from different angles to see what happened. and don't be surprised if this manhunt goes on much longer, if you see nypd come out publicly with images. and say, this is the face. this is the guy. this is the girl. if you know this. and they'll estimate height. they'll estimate weight from any images that they can consider. but i see a crowd sourcing of solving this happening, if this goes on much longer. >> frank, stay with me. jim kavanaugh, retired atf special agent in charge and a hostage negotiator, he is also an nbc terrorism analyst. jim, we're speaking with frank and with vaughn about what it is that we can discern from what happened there. this horrible tragedy that occurred, just a couple of minutes ago, in brooklyn, new york, when someone entered the train station, the subway station, and took fire. i mean, at least five people have been injured by gunfire. 13 total have been injured. jim, what are you looking at

right now? >> to build on what you have just discussed, it's the basic police work right now that matter. cameras really go to the forefront. when you can get them in the subway, get the suspect, get his face like frank described. get it out to the public. in a case like this, you have to leverage the public who really wants to help this noise not just a police versus the shooter, this is the whole city versus the shooter. everybody wants to get him. you need to leverage that. and nypd, if they can get a good photograph, will get it out quickly. basic police work, witnesses on the block. plus the forensics, fingerprints, dna. we have ballistic images. and if there is firearms evidence left, like shell casings, that could be put into that database to see if there's been prior shootings with the same gun.

but it could be a revolver, a five-shot, a six-shot, a nine-shot revolver, i've seen them all. and there's no shell casings. we don't know that answer. but one thing that's critical here is what frank described. and that is that there's planning. this is a guy who's coming there carrying more than just a pistol. when it's just a pistol involved, it could be a road rage incident when they act impulsively. but when they show up with smoke bombs or some improvised device or even a fake improvised device, there's some planning that depose into that. so this is a planned attack, it appears. of course, we only have, jose, reports of onee actor here. we don't know if there are multiple actors. and i would say this is, don't

be certain it's the only attack. the actor is loose. he could go home, get more ammunition, he could get more gear, he could go out to somewhere else. it does pay to be alert. we don't know the answers to that is he laying low watching the news? could be? is he going out, trying to do it again? could be as well, or as he fled to some other jurisdiction? but all of those answers remain open. and the next hours are critical to get as much information to leverage the public desire to help law enforcement right now. >> this is so important, jim. this is an active situation right now in new york city brooklyn, new york, is the epicenter of this attack, but jim, you're absolutely right, we don't know if this one person acted alone. certainly, it wasn't a random act of violence as has occurred in new york city, more and more over the last couple of years.

but it seems as though this person was very clearly planning to take this attack out in the subway station and was table to get out. right now, jim, what are officials doing to. it where this person may be? and he could be home, he could be watching the news or planning a subsequent attack. >> what they're doing and what they need to do is get that information to the public. the post-offense behavior is what we would call it. you know, we split the crimes into three tlooinls. pre-offense behavior, that's the planning, the preparation, the desire, the gathering of materials, equipment. then we have the actual attack, where the scene unfolds in the sea. the shooting occurs, and we have the post-offense behavior, which

is the escape, which as frank described, and he's absolutely right, sometimes is not very well planned. but in new york city, that can be a foot race running up the subway and escaping. so where does he go then? what the public needs to see, has someone rushed hope quickly, nervously, out of sorts, unusual time? ran in and slammed the door? this is what criminals do. unusual activity you don't see normally, that fits the description that the nib has put out, maybe somebody valley something unusual. so criminals -- >> i want to go right to pete waums with some new information. >> jose, there's been some confusion about whether the

violence we heard this morning happened at just the one subway station or where there was a second shooting scene. and the best information we have right now is that the answer is no, that it was a single shooting scene, the 36th street, the one that everyone has been talking about, and the second piece of information is whether there's any notion at all of what the motive is. the answer to that is, no, obviously, they don't know who the suspect is. there's been no account from witnesses that the suspect shouted anything or said something that would suggest to someone who was there what the possible motive was. they're just completely at clueless right now on why this happened. that's an important question because of this jurisdictional thing we talked about before. if this did turn out to be an act of terrorism, the fbi would take the lead. so far, none of that -- it's way

too early, of course, to know, but there just aren't any indicators of that right now. >> pete williams, thank you so very much. i want to bring in chris jansing to help with our breaking news coverage of this attack in brooklyn. chris? >> jose, thank you very much. and what you're seeing on the left of your screen is the scene in brooklyn. it was described this morning. described as chaos, as you can imagine, as man who is described as 5'5" were 180 pounds, wearing a gas mask and an orange construction vest shot five people, two of them serious, a total of 13 are hurt. it's possible that some of the injured were injured in that chaos that followed. let me go to ron allen, who was just arrived on the scene. ron, we have a high shot. we see how many emergency, police, and emergency response vehicles are there. tell me what you're seeing? >> i'm at 37th street, about a block from the subway station, which is in the middle between 35th and 36th.

so i'm several hundred feet away. . they are here talking to people in the crowd, talking to witnesses. and i was paying a lot of attention to the security camera systems that are in the subway to see exactly what happened and. and no one knew what was going on. it's 8:30 or so in the morning. what is now a rush hour. there's still a lot of people on the subway these days. and there are express trains and local trains that go through here. it's a residential area, a commercial area, an industrial area as well. there's a lot going on here.

it's a fairly dense, brooklyn neighborhood and at this moment, no one knows what to make of all of this. the police have been sending out some information, that there was no active explosive device here found. not sure what more they know beyond that. we have not heard yet of a briefing coming up, but the police presence is massive. i've also seen fbi agents here as well, again, trying to sort out what has happened, as residents are here, standing around, trying to understand what might have happened. they haven't been told to go back. the area is still on something of a dloung. a couple of schools in the area that are on lockdown as well. so people are jut just waiting, trying to understand what happened. the last numbers that we have, as you were reporting, 13

injured, five victims with gunshot wounds. and the others were injured in the melee that apparently happened when this all erupted. >> ron, i want to give you a little time to talk to some people and make your way around the scene and get back to us when you have some new information. i want to bring in the former nypd commissioner, dermott shay. thanks so much for being with us. let me ask you first what goes through your mind immediately as a commissioner when you see a scene like this and know what's just happened? >> you're thinking of the work that has to be done, first and foremost. you know, first and foremost, they have to make sure that everyone is taken care of in terms of nobody else is injured.

so motive terms into a determining factor. this crime scene is only going to grow as time goes on. you have to imagine this occurring on a moving train. so there's potential that evidence is disturbed. people running out of there franticly. so everyone is kind of at this point, settling down, and now the investigation really starts so witnesses, video, all of this is critically important at this point. >> let's talk about trying to find the suspect? what is being done right now? they're looking at video, as you said, they're talking to witnesses and reconstruct exactly what happened. give us what the training is to try to find an active shooter like this. >> it's very important that everyone with the massive amount

of resources that are responding, that everyone is on the same page. so there is a unity of command here, where responsibilities are being divided out. it's important to know, at a scene such as this, it can be chaotic. you can have all sorts of informations coming in and trained investigators then have to sift through that to determine what is reality versus what is what somebody perceived in a split second. you mentioned the video. that's critical at this stage. there will be expanded video cameras and in concentric circles, continue to expand out.

sometimes jobs an hour before that seem insignificant now will take on a different look in a scene such as this. all of that is being cataloged and run down. and like everyone else, we hope we can identify who's responsible as quickly as possible. >> eyewitness accounts can be notoriously unreliable. the flight or flight instinct kicks in. how do you begin to sift through that kind of information to try to narrow the list of people who might be responsible for this? >> the important thing to realize here is sometimes people who are making those eyewitness accounts believe what they saw or what they spooefd to be true. that's where the investigators really need to overlay all of this information. what do we know right now? what are the eyewitness accounts coming in? what does the video tell us? how does that contradict against

physical evidence that may or may not be at the scene. and as you start to see a clearer picture coming come in, you'll have analysts start to play their role in terms of social media and working with prosecutors to draft subpoenas and get ever-more amounts of information. it sounds like a lot, but i can tell you that all of this is underway already and all of this will continue to grow as the hours become days. >> let me ask you what you'll be looking for in the coming hours. what would you expect from the investigation, that they could be able to narrow down fairly quickly? >> i think it's critical for us to have that open line of communication with the public, as you said. you can expect a press conference or several as the day goes on, telling the public what they know to put them at ease, but asking them for help in terms of other things that are not clear at this point. and it's a two-way street where

motive becomes incredibly important to the public, as the authorities know more and more information on what they can let out to kind of put the public at ease about what was behind it. >> former nypd commissioner dermot shea. there is a massive manhunt underway right now. an investigation being led by the new york police department. federal investigators with the atf as well. we'll take a quick break. jose diaz-balart and i will be back with more coverage right after this. will be back with more coverage right after this ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪

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we are following breaking news out of brooklyn, new york, this morning. at least 13 people were injured after a shooting in a subway station. several undetonated devices were apparently found. law enforcement sources tell nbc news that a man possibly wearing clothes that resembled an mta attire was spotted throwing a device in a subway station before opening fire. joining us now, cedric alexander, nbc news law enforcement analyst. cedric, the continuation of this manhunt is for top priority for officials right now. >> yes, it is, and it's going to

be for a long time. this is very devastating, and very unsettling for all of us across the country, to wake up this morning and hear this news coming out of new york city. this is certainly, as you've heard from many of your guests, the beginning of an investigation that is going to be intense, that is going to be lengthy, and it's going to involve a great number of agencies, both for our intelligence partners from around the country and around the globe. but this is a very serious incident that took place this morning there in new york city and it's very disheartening and painful and scary for all of us, certainly throughout. i can only imagine, that certainly throughout the entire system there, in new york and probably new jersey, as well, [ inaudible ] very, very close attention, not just what has occurred, but what could occur.

>> when you see how this was carried out, it doesn't seem like it was a random act of violence in this case. >> no, it does not. not paced on what we're being presented with, and what we hear now, jose. it clearly appears to be that this was planned, and a certain amount of planning went into this. we don't know whether one individual was involved or could have been others. it's still yet to be determined if the shooter had relationship to the undetonated devices that were found near the scene. it is certainly a great deal of reasonable cause to believe that he or she may have been, but i think that's going to be determined here, quite soon. but we also have to remember, in all of this, too, is that new york city, being the premiere city that it is, being the premiere police agency that it is, have the latest in technology, the latest in intelligence and the support of

intelligence communities across the country and around the globe in terms of looking at and investigating this event that took place this morning. so i am very optimistic and hopeful, like everyone else, that as the day goes on, more information is going to be determined, and that information, what can be shared with the public, will be shared. but this is a grave concern in this country this morning, and something that we probably have not given much thought to, with recent events that are going on around the globe and other things that have occurred, as well. but we're back looking at something here that looks in some ways, very familiar, but very uninviting to us. >> cedric, thank you. stay with us. and chris jansing, as we continue our breaking news coverage, sunset park is such a diverse area. as a matter of fact, the foreign minister of mexico just tweeted out shortly that the consul general of new york has been

looking into this, because sunset park, according to them, their words, is a place where so many mexicans live and make their home. >> and it's a very busy time right now. new york is on its way back. when all of this was unfolding, i was walking through manhattan and i noted just how busy the city is it was a rainy morning. and this is an area that is filled not just with residential area, but has a lot of restaurants, retail, it's a business hub. and i want to bring in clint watts, a terrorism analyst for msnbc, former fbi special agent and someone who has worked with the agency extensively. what are the key unanswered questions that investigators are right now looking to get answers to? they obviously want to know who the subject is that they're pursuing at this point. and make sure that they're not part of any sort of larger organization or plot. and that is distinguishing between a criminal act or a

criminal activity, a lone shooter, and really terrorism, which is something in pursuit of an ideology. that's political change, social change, religious causes. >> is there anything we know yet, and we know very little, but that would indicate that this was necessarily sophisticated? >> i think what's interesting about it is the use of explosive device or some sort of explosive devices. that's a little bit more sophisticated than what you would normally see from a random act of violence. the other is timing and location. you're picking a subway platform, which has a lot of individuals on it. that is a place you go to commit mass violence. >> and at a busy time of morning. >> on a weekday. if it was more random or tied to criminal activity, the timing would be kind of, you know, unknown or it wouldn't seem to follow any sort of pattern. this is one you would expect of a more deliberate act. the other thing that's kind of strange about how it plays, why pick this subway station? usually for certain ideologies, they have a motive for the targets that they pick, if it's

a terrorist attack, or if there's a criminal act, there's a reason why they hit that target. somingly, so far, the only reason to hit this target is there's lots of people there on a pz time of day and you want to commit essentially a large-scale act of violence. the question, then, is it just a lone shooter or a lone person that wants to commit a violent act? that could be something like las vegas, or is this tied to some specific reasoning about why they want to target based on the people that are there, based on it being a transportation hub, or trying to get themselves into the media. the other thing that's interesting, it sounds like the individual was dressed in gear that may have been trying to blend in, essentially, with the situation. if that comes to fold, that means pre-meditation, and that's planning. that's a little bit more sophisticated, as well. and they did not stay. oftentimes, in certain violent attacks, the shooter or perpetrator will stay in place or hold up or take a hostage.

it didn't seem like they did that. it seems like they're on the move. and they have not explored who this person is. in terrorist attacks, you would see a manifesto or videotape or something else timed along with the ideology that they would to exploit. so i think this first press conference from the nypd, it will be super interesting to hear all of these aspects. >> clint, you're going to stick with us. but i want to go back to ron allen who was on scene and has had a few minutes to talk to some people and do a little reporting. ron, what are you learning? >> chris, we're hoping that we'll get a briefing. we have just moved over to this location, because we think we're going to get some detail from nypd about what happened, why, so on, and so forth. at this point, there's really no new information. people in the neighborhood are standing here, trying to find out what happened. hoping to find out what happened. many of them were at work.

there are still two schools here. one over there, one behind me in the other direction, that are still on lockdown. there was some concern about students arriving later than 8:30 or so in the morning, and what their status would be. but all of that seems to be -- everything here now seems to be calm, on hold, as they look for answers. and yes, this is a very working class, hard-working neighborhood. there are a lot of people here who are standing around, who would have taken the subway to get to where they are, to work. it's a residential neighborhood. it's also very commercial and also somewhat industrial. there's nothing about it that's striking about it as to why there would be a target. there have been other bomb attacks that happened around the city and other high-profile places, if you will, that have been targeted. this feels like a very typical residential neighborhood in brooklyn, tough the beaten path. but the subway stop where it happened was something of a hub.

it is something of a hub. different express trains as well as local trains that go through there. and it would have been a very busy place at 8:30 in the morning when all of this happened. >> thank you for that. the new mayor of new york city is a former police officer himself. he has spent a lot of his first months in office focusing in on the rise of crime in new york city streets. the concerns that there have been in new york city subways. there have been a couple of very high-profile incidents of people being shoved on to the tracks. there's been more of a police presence that i have certainly seen, as somebody who rides the subway very often. talk a little bit, if you will, the sophistication of the nypd. we also have the atf, homeland security on scene right now. their abilities and the electronic abilities that they have to get to the heart of this investigation. >> chris, we were on with commissioner bratton just last hour, and you know, he was talking a little bit about that. i think in the 20 years after

9/11, one of the big vulnerabilities that was always identified was the subway system. it's a police that's not controlled wherever you walk in. you have lots of people in a centralized location, it's underground. it was always seen as a risky target. and i think for that reason, the nypd of any city in america, and really the world, developed a very sophisticated understanding of the subway system. they did a lot of patrols, foot patrols down in the subway. that has waxed and waned over time, but now you've seen a resurgence of it. as you said, i've seen it as well on the subway and the other thing they've been able to do is establish technical surveillance. cctv. new york has a remarkable ability. only london and a few other cities really rival it. but they have been able to essentially put in cameras in most of these parts of the subway system and so what's interesting here, it sounds like a device went off and there was some sort of smoke, at some point. it also seems like the individual that perpetrated the act was trying to disguise or at least mask who they were, to some degree.

so they'll have to put all of those forensics together. i think what you'll see, both in terms of where this happened, and it sounds like there could be other stations associated with it, they'll establish those concentric rings and start looking at all of the technical surveillance that they can put together, at each one of these stations and stops. if there was premeditation, oftentimes you'll see a perpetrator do a rehearsal or reconnaissance. think back to the boston bombing, footages, they saw individuals putting packages in places. i'm sure that's what they're looking at. rewinding the tape to see if there was anything in there that could be used as an indicator to see where this person was before this kicked off. and since then, i'm sure all of new york city, this is the best city for handling a situation like this. panning out through all of that technical surveillance, trying to pick out where this perpetrator might have gone, what's a good description they can put out. did they change the way that they're appearing, what they look for? all of those will be key things.

>> realistically, how quickly? they know what time it happened. they know where it happened. we saw on social media the people who were injured. so they have that very specific information. would you expect that they have already gotten in on the video that shows what happened there? >> i would expect so, yeah. you know, i don't know what happened underground there or how smoky or how chaotic the scene could have been, but i would be surprised if they have not already learned a lot about the attack, the people that were in and around there. and then the other thing to remember is, there's so many cell phones today. wherever these attacks tend to occur, it's not long before oftentimes data or information drifts out into social media and into the open source, which can be very beneficial to law enforcement. we saw this with january 6th, when it was essentially an open source investigation to some degree, with the amount of video out there. they're going to be trying to work with the community. the important thing for them is to get the initial details

right. go all the way pack. get those initial details wrong, it sends people looking for essentially false information or confirming things that are incorrect. so i think law enforcement, the last two decades, particularly in a social media environment, is trying to nail down some specifics very early that they could put out into the public. that way the public can help enable them in their investigation, rather than taking a risk or a gamble, not knowing too much. i'm sure they're being quite careful right now. something we should also consider is, there may be a reason why they're not telling us much, because they may be in pursuit of the subject, and they don't want to create a lot of panic or confusion around it. there can be strong operational reasons for why they would not want to do that, as well. >> would your advice be to someone who may be took some pictures, took some videos and then ran, as most people would, get away from the situation as fast as you can, not to post that, but give it directly to police? >> i think giving it to law enforcement is always the best thing to do, because they have a system to process these things, particularly the nypd and the

fbi division in new york. very good at this. they've got a lot of manpower, a lot of technical capability. and always the problem on social media, why we have so many initial reports that are incorrect, is because it's misconstrued. people jump into the situation, start putting false information out to try to drive a political or social or ideological agenda. it's always better go straight to law enforcement and let them be the best mediators for what's right. >> clint, you'll stay with us. police seeking a man in a construction vest who had been wearing a gas mask. reports say 13 people were injured, hospitalized, five people shot, two of them seriously. and as we heard from our ron allen, who was on the scene, police have moved much of the media to one area. we are hoping to get an update, to get a police briefing some time soon. former nypd police commissioner said he would expect some type of press conference to happen fairly quickly. we'll take a quick break and be

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five or shot after on attack at that subway system in brooklyn. pete williams, do we know anything about how this incident started? >> yes. i think we have a better idea now of how this unfolded. this is based on what we have been told by local and federal law enforcement officials asked this very rapidly unfolding investigation continues to gather information. it starts just before 8:30. at 8:26, subway lines in -- subway lines are designated by letter. this was on on n as a november train. according to the best information we have, this all unfolded just before the train left the station. a single person set off some kind of smoke device, either a smoke grenade or some kind of device that filled the car up with smoke. as the smoke accumulated, that

is one of the gunman opened up. there could be as many as ten victims. that number, we had said there were five people shot. i just don't know where the final number is going to turn out to be. the second question we had here is, where they're actually explosive devices? some of these first responders said they thought they saw explosive devices either on the subway platform or on the train itself. from what we understand now from state and local and federal investigators, they don't believe any were set off. they don't believe any were left behind undetonated. right now, we have right on our screen is something that just said that the fire department had said they found several suspicious devices. i think that was their initial impression. what we have on the screen

matches the information that we have. not only are they saying there are no active devices, they are also saying they don't believe any were actually used in this. that is different from the smoke grenade. you see the smoke when people are coming off of the subway. you see the smoke sort of pouring out of the car that people are evacuating from. that is the smoke i was set off in the subway car as it was coming into the station. the suspect is described as a blackmail, five feet seven inches, wearing some kind of orange vest. beyond that, i don't think there is any better description of the person. there were some reports that the suspect was carrying a gas mask. whether the suspect wore a gas mask is not clear to us. i think the two things we can conclude here are, number one, the shooting began while the

train was still moving as it was coming to the end. the train was still moving as it came into the station. the gunman -- our best reports are there is just one person. he set off some kind of smoke device, a smoke grenade or something. he filled the car up with smoke and began to open fire. in terms of the number of people who were shot, we just don't know, jose. we just don't have good information on that. earlier, we were told five. they say there could be as many as ten. i think we just don't know that. i think it's going to take a while for them to sort out exactly who was actually wounded by gunfire, who was actually simply injured in the resulting melee and the stampede to try to get out of the way, who could have been hit by flying debris. we just don't know. that is the best picture we have of how this happened. >> that is certainly how much more clear picture, pete. just to reconfirm, it

apparently seems that the shooting actually was carried out inside a subway train car, not on the side. >> yes. it started there. whether it continued when the car came into the station, we just don't know. the best information we have at this point is that it was confined to the subway car. >> yeah. that is important information. pete williams, thank you very much. i want to go to the congresswoman nadia velasquez who represents sunset park. i want to thank you for being with us this morning. your reactions? what are you seeing? >> this is a horrible, horrible thing to wake up to. it is heartbreaking. my heart and my prayers to the entire hardworking community of sunset park and all of the families who have been impacted

by this horrible crime. >> congresswoman, tell us a bit about the area of sunset park and the brooklyn area where this was carried out. >> it is a very tight immigrant community. it's very diverse. newcomers that moved into the district. for the most part, asian and latino immigrants. very hardworking people. very -- you know, it has gone through so much from all the rhetoric regarding immigration and kids being afraid of coming home and not finding their parents at home. it is just unbelievable. it is really very distressing.

i think getting a lot of messages or prayers -- we need to get guns off the street. congress has a responsibility to pass legislation that will in so many ways prevent guns from getting into the hands of bad actors. >> congresswoman nydia velázquez, thank you for being with us this morning. we are watching from a w nbc. 13 were injured after this shooting in brooklyn. i want to thank you for being with us. we have this just into msnbc. we have new video of the immediate aftermath of the shooting at the train station in brooklyn, new york. i want to warn you, the video you are about to see is graphic. rn you, thyou see people on the. they are clearly injured. there are people coming to help them. they are leaving that train.

you can see the car right there. it is just outside of that. you see someone saying that someone was just shot. the video is coming at msnbc of what happened this morning. jim kavanaugh, your observations after what we have been hearing from pete williams and the investigation that continues at this hour? >> [noise] >> jim? we don't have jim kavanaugh with us this morning, but to recap, as we continue covering this breaking news out of new york city, five people have been shot and 13 have been injured. that's the preliminary number we were given by authorities. pete williams says that the

number of injured could actually be higher as well as the number of people shot higher. right now, the situation continues to be fluid. chris johnson continues with our breaking news of this incident. >> jose diaz, thank you so much. let's get you up to date on what we know if you are just joining us. there was a terrifying, scary, bloody scene on a subway in brooklyn, new york this morning around 8:30 on the n train. someone detonated some sort of smoke device. once that happened, they opened fire. initial reports, you see them on your screen from our local affiliate w nbc. at least five people were shot and 13 were injured. eight victims have gone to nyu langone medical center. they are in brooklyn. as many as ten people could have been shot. this is still a developing investigation. it's only been a couple of hours. we learned in recent minutes that the president