station's platform and they say there are no other active explosive devices in the area. here in washington, president biden and the vice president have both been briefed on the incident and white house senior staff are are in close contact, of course, with new york city mayor, eric adams. my fellow anchor, katy tur will be with us throughout this hour. >> reporter: thank you very much. i'm sorry but the camera -- we're working in an extremely small space. there's about 200 other members of the media. we're waiting on a news conference from the nypd, probably the fdny, i imagine the mta as well. this is an interesting moment in the city because frankly, we have a new mayor, new police commissioner. one of the main objectives for them was to get control of gun violence, which has made people understandably nervous.

and there's been a rise in crime in the subways and violence. a few months ago, a woman was pushed on to the tracks, which already had people extremely nervous about getting on the subway and the shooting where eight are shot. and 16 people are are injured. those numbers could continue to rise. obviously the amount of traffic on the subway, commuters not quite at the levels that we had before the pandemic. the city is still coming back. people are not going to work in a way that they were 2.5 years ago. but they had started to get busier. i took the subway every single day and it felt more like the middle of a week day. maybe not rush hour on a week day but the middle of a week day when you got on a train and it felt like a holiday on a sunday. almost nobody was using the trains and during rush hour when you look at the social media videos from the attack, you can

see there were more people on the train when it happened. what officials are going to to is try to calm people down. obviously there's still a suspect, maybe more than one at large. they're going to say what they know about that at least one person. and they're going to ask everyone in the tristate area, if you see something, say something. a little bit of a cliche but if you see something, say something. we're on the lookout for this person. at the same time, they're going to try to calm the nerves of new yorkers. things are safe, we have things under control. and there's been a very big effort in the city sings 9/11 to get all of the agencies to communicate with each other, to be prepared in the event of any attack. the joint terrorism task force, nypd, everybody trying to make sure they can prevent something before it happens, the

understanding they're not going to stop everything. when you talk to officials in new york about the fact that there hasn't been major terrorism since 9/11, they'll say we are lucky and you can't stop everybody. the biggest concern has always been a lone wolf. somebody with a car, a gun. somebody with a knife. now, this has not been officially designated terrorism. i don't want to make that leap before officials do. but that's certainly something they're looking into right now. >> and we know it was after 9/11 that they created the joint counterterrorism are task force and they've done an extraordinary job protecting new yorkers and the rest of the country as new york city is such a prime target for any bad actors as is we tragically learned on 9/11, washington d.c. also wanted to point out that mayor adams, as you know well,

was a police captain, has the law enforcement background. he was diagnosed positively with covid last week. so, he is directing this, we are are told, by the nypd, by the mayor's office. he's directing this still from isolation but we understand the governor will also be there along with new york officials, other new york officials as well as all the law enforcement officials from all the agencies. let's bring in former fbi special agent clint watts and the former special agent in charge. you know as does jim cavanaugh the extraordinary coordination that takes place in new york. this could be a lone actor, someone with a mental condition, this could be someone a coordinated attack.

we don't know exactly what happened. with a smoke device that was set off and the sequence of shots. i'm also not sure what kind of weapon, whether they have any information on the kind of weapon that was used. clint. >> and when it comes to weapons, nobody's better than jim. so, i'll let him talk about that. in terms of the incident, we've seen an uptick in violence over the last couple of years, particularly as the pandemic has unwound. at the same time, new york city is always a place terrorists have targeted and different ideologies have tried to plot and plan something. we've learned a lot over the last couple of hours that, apparently, there were not explosive devices preplanted around the scenario which initially would make you think this is premeditated. that would be one of the first questions that will come up right away and hopefully we'll get an answer.

was this deliberately preplanned on a very busy tuesday morning in the subway system? separately, what jim was talking about earlier in the last hour, and i think is really important to understand, is where did the smoke come from? is this part of a diversion or attack? or did someone else use smoke as a way of protecting themselves? i think lots of unanswered questions with that. and again, were the targets picked and selected? was there a specific person or persons involved in the incident? or was it a random act of violence some because you'll ultimately want to get to motive and accomplices are a bigger nexus. i think that's always the worry, particularly of new york city and the transportation system, is when you see an attack unfold such as this during a busy time on rush hour on a week day, is it part of a bigger plot or nexus and that's why you have

the federal partners there. i'm sure they're working right along part and parcel with local law enforcement to get to to the bottom of it as quick as possible. >> and the atf, as you well know, has been operating without a head for seven years because of senate refusals to agree on the choice, the politics of all that and the different factions on guns. but the atf is immediately involved and trying to figure out what kind of device. they obviously have the ballistics there. they can start analyzing what kind of shots are are fired. take us through the process if you were on the case right now. >> the first thing -- of course, you're going to get the victims out, get them safe. sweep for packages. people drop stuff, purses, things they're carrying at work, gift boxes. those become suspicious when you

have a violent attack. those have to be swept. then you can get into the forensics. first thing you'll notice is are there shell casings or not? we have a report of eight gun shot victims. some people a bullet can go through an arm and into sma someone else but it gives you an idea of about how many were shot. could be a revolver. there are nine-shot revolvers. i had a case that i was in the shootsout and inguy had a nine-shot revolver. but noes most are six shots and five shots. it would tend to lead me to say it's a semiautomatic pistol that would be ejecting the shell casings. but if so, then the shell casings will be on the floor of the subway car and >> will be some leads they can gather from that.

cameras are are key, eye witnesses are key. let's get this guy's face on the news and then we can answer other questions about where was the smoke and the main question is where is the shooter at the moment? let's find him. i say he's probably watching the news somewhere. maybe someone can flip him in. >> obviously it's going to be important to get some kind of description from eye witnesses. former new york city police commissioner now joining us. he's an executive chairman at risk advisory. bill, talk to us about what the nypd does. this is a subway shooting, obviously. we don't know where the shooter went, whether he's still on the car, whether he has an accomplice. how does the nypd get its arms round this kind of an event. >> fortunately they have a lot of experience dealing with these types of chaotic situations. so, there are multiple streams

of shootings going forward. combing through their own records and what they'll attempt to do with the upcoming press conference is one, give up what they know, two, try to relay fears. a lot of people will be concerned about going on the subway to get home tonight, and future days ahead. they've -- >> i'm going to interrupt you because john miller's coming on. let's go to him right now and katy tur is there as well. >> first deputy, governor cathy hochul, police commissioner, keshawn sewell. jannau lever from the mta will give us the stats of the system and then we'll be able to entertain limited questions. there will be another briefing

later this afternoon where we'll be able to update that and then additional briefings as needed. first deputy mayor. >> thank you, thank you, john. so, from the very minute this incident occurred, the mayor and i have been on the phone monitoring the situation constantly. we have worked with all of our agencies, the fdny, nypd, oem, all nof agencies who have worked really hard together and we continue to throw all of the city's resources at this situation. we've made all of the resources available and we'll work with the office of emergency management for any additional needs. i'm going to ask the police commissioner, to speak to you and give you an update on the events of today.

>> good afternoon. we're going to update you on the shooting on the n-line. i want to begin by assuring the public there are no known explosive devices on the subway trains and this is not being investigated as an act of terrorism at this time. we can also repart that, although this was a violent incident, reportedly we have no one with life-threatening injuries as a result of the case. this is only hours old, so, please note this information is subject to change. as a man han hatten bound n-train waited to enter the station, an individual dawned what appeared to be a gas mask, he took a canister out of his bag and opened it. the train at that time began to fill with smoke. he then opened fire, striking multiple people on the subway and in the platform. again, we will describe him as an individual. he is being reported as a male,

black, approximately 5'5" with a heavy build. he was wearing a green construction-type vest and a hood hood sweat shirt. the color is is grey. at this time we're working with our federal partners but asking for the public's help. anyone with information, videos or photographs, even as? sflif can't as they think it may bow call, and all information is confidential. i apologize. the governor would like to speak now. governor hochul. >> good afternoon. this morning ordinary new yorkers woke up in anticipation of a relatively normal day. they left their homes en route to school en route to their jobs and to a normal day, as i

mentioned. that sense of tranquility and normalness was brutally disrupted by an individual so cold hearted and depraved a part that they had no caring about the individuals that they assaulted as they simply went about their daily lives. this individual is still on the loose. this person is dangerous. they're asking individuals to be very vigilant and alert and you'll get more reports as the day goes on. this is an active shooter situation right now in the city of new york. i just got off the phone with the mayor. he's recovering well. he's monitoring, actively engaged in the situation. i waned to let him know the people of the entire state of new york stand with the people of this city, community and we say no more. no more mass shootings. no more disrespecting lives. no more creating heartbreak for people just trying to live their lives as normal new yorkers.

it has to end. it ends now. and we're sick and tired of reading headline about crime, whether they're mass shootings or the loss of a teenage girl or a 13-year-old. it has to stop. i'm committing the full resources of our state to fight this surge of crime, this insanity that is seizing our city because we want to get back to normal. it has been a long-hard two years. that's what we crave, that sense stability and normalcy and this is what the mayor and i are are going to continue to work for. and i thank the partners, the brave people of the mta, the first ones who had the sense, the drivers of the train to leave the station to make sure no more victims could be hurt. the nypd, fdny, state police, everyone involved in this has one purpose and that's to stop the insanity of these crimes.

you'll hear now from our fire department. i want to thank them for being there to help us defuse a volatile situation. but we'll be giving continued reports as they day unfolds. we ask everyone to be careful, cautious. report what you see. it's likely someone listening to this is going to help lead us to the individual. you have a description of what they're wearing, you know the details. but this is the day we pull together, united in a common purpose to say no more. and that is what i'm going to continue to do as the governor of the state of new york working with our local partners right here. thank you. >> thank you, governor. good afternoon, this morning the fdny received reports of gun shot victims in the subway. thanks to their quick response, we were able to treat 16 patients, ten are suffering from gun shot wounds at this time and five of them are in critical but

stable condition in our local hospitals. yes, we have 16 total patients. ten of them are suffering from gun shot wounds and five are in critical but stable conditionality this time. i'm going to pass it over to the mta for an update on our subways. >> okay. first of all, we have to thank the nypd and the fdny and the whole team that have done so much to help immediately recover from this situation and i need to acknowledge the mta workers who were at the foresight to immediately move a train that was on the platform when the r-train out of the station so it could carry people to safety. that was smart thinking. right now these serve -- b services suspended, w suspended. d, n, r are running with

suspensions and shuttle buses. obviously, it's a disrupted day but a lot of the system is in fact running. i just want to say one thing on a personal note, which is on 9/11, i stood on fourth avenue and watched new yorkers come back from that tragedy and i thought i watched new yorkers help each other and score keepers walk out and give people water. that was the same we saw on the platform today. we saw new yorkers in a difficult situation in an emergency helping each other. that's the subway riders, that's who new yorkers are. every day they're showing people in the subway, which is our public space, that new yorkers of all varieties can come together in small spaces and get together and create something bigger. that's what we remember in the emergencies, as well as the tragedies and r is is new yorkers are are incredibly resilient. as they are in every emergency and we thank them for what they've done and we thank the

governor and the mayor for their leadership in all of our recovery, from covid and from everyone of the challenges. >> so, just to reiterate, we're going to be very limited in what we're able to answer in questions. just to also underline our partners here. we got mike reegen, he's the assistant special agents in charge of the joint terrorism task force with the nypd and the special agent in charge from new york city, the brooklyn district attorney who is also here, and covers, chief of the department and first deputy commissioner. we'll start with questions for the police commissioner. >>. >> suspect on the platform or in the train and did all happen [ inaudible ]. >> the suspect was in the train car. the shooting began in the train

car. >> can you give us more details exactly what happened in the car. did the suspect say anything? did he have weapons? >> we're only able to give limited information because it's under investigation. as the train was pulling into the station when the subject put on a gas mask, opened a cander that was in his bag and the car filled with smoke and began shooting what looked like at random. >> does this appear to be random? any idea why this individual did this and did this here? >> we do not know the motive at this time but we're not ruling anything out. >> reporter: what about the other injuries -- >> there are a vurify of other injuries from shrapnel to smoke inhalation to panic. >> reporter: what was the

slapinal? >> under investigation at this time. could be from a grazing. >> reporter: not from an explosive device? >> not at this time. >> reporter: [ inaudible ]. >> that's subject to investigation. we're endeavoring to determine that right now. >> reporter: why do you connect this to -- and not terrorism? >> i'm not ruling out anything. we're determining what the motive is and we'll see with the investigation continues. >> we got time for about two more. >> why were the trains not shut down immediately and if they were could it have been easier to catch the subject? >> that's not the case. >> i didn't hear you. that's under investigation as we speak. >> reporter: whether they were wearing a construction vest? a city worker? >> we have not identified a

subject. he was wearing a green-type vest. >> i'll be happy to report on that later today. we'll have a statement out there. i have not had a chance to speak to him. i was doing media interviews. this is not the place. but i'll address it shortly. let's address the fact that there are are people in a hospital fighting for their lives. those are are the people we're thinking about and praying for at the moment. >> hang on a second. we'll get back to you with a time for an update later. we expect to have more later and that will not be here. that will be either at the precinct or head quarters. we'll find an appropriate location where we have enough room and we can do this in a controlled environment. >> and as you've just heard, back with us now, msnbc anchor, on the scene in brooklyn.

as we just heard, there are 16 injuries, according to the fire department, who sent those emergency vehicles in, 16 injuries, ten were gun shot wounds, five of those are are critical but stable. so, they don't have more information about the other injuries and said some could be smoke inhalation and some could be bullet grazing. they're not ruling anything out, katy. whether this is terrorism or not, or a sole actor or another person involved. they're looking for a suspect described as a black male, 5'5" with a heavy build, wearing a green uniform and a grey sweat shirt. katy. >> reporter: yeah. so, i was just asking commissioner miller to clarify that last point because initially, when commissioner

sewell came out, she said not terrorism. but then there was a question at the end of how she was so confident and she hedged. i asked commissioner miller for clarity. we don't know who the suspect is. we don't know what the motive is. so, we're not ruling out anything. although they said no terrorism, it seems there's fluidity and they're not ruling anything out. we got updates on numbers. ten people shot, five in critical but stable condition. the suspects themselves opened fire while they were on the train. so, this train was coming into the station and the person went to their backpack, opened up a gas canister, the train filled with smoke and then they opened fire. there was a question of did he stay on the subway? did he go in a subway tunnel?

did he flee up the stairs? that is unclear at this time. there was also a question about whether or not -- excuse me. they're trying to move everybody. they want everybody out so they can continue to investigate. it is a bit of a mess. the subway station, if we can zoom in, is is at the corner where the one-way street sign just below it. those are the stairs that lead underground to the subway. we're literally standing on top of the subway station as we speak. it is below our feet and this is where it happened. 8:24 in the morning. it was relatively crowded. these are when people are going to work and this is when the person opened the gas canister and opened fire. they don't know where this man is, if he was working alone. they don't know the motive. they don't know who this person is but they're going to try and figure that out and they're using all the resources they

have at their disposal to do so. that's going to include eye-witness accounts, getting a picture of this guy as quick as they can out to news stations,b to the local papers. they want a photo of this person to see if any new yorkers recognize this person so that they will call in to the nypd and tell them where that person is is. this is a big city. there are a lot of people. there are a lot of places to hide. but once you get that image out, there's a lot of people who see a lot of things and can potentially recognize them and call it in. so, they're looking right now. the person was wearing a green vest. there was question about whether the person worked for the mta. was it a worker? were they wearing a disguise? they don't know. they're still trying to figure that out. the mta workers we have seen on site have been wearing orange vests. so, that is one point of difference between the two. but we got some information. we're going to get a little more

later, either at the scene or one police plaza, the head quarters for the nypd. we're going to find out. >> i want to make another point with you because the governor was so passionate about this must end. you know, just had the terrible shooting of the 13-year-old girl. the crime wave in the city. talk to me about that and the politics of this, frankly. because just yesterday you had the president of the united states doing an event about ghost guns, an executive order under pressure to do something about guns and now you've got this and the mayor, the governor is running for re-election of course, having taken office under those circumstances with andrew cuomo stepping down and she now is going to run for office for the first time as governor herself to hold that position. and she is really trying to make the point that people are going

to come together and this is all the agencies and all the people of new york are going to come together and fight this crime wave. >> reporter: and the lieutenant governor was just arrested today. she was asked about that briefly. the president held the news conference in the hour of my show yesterday around 2:30 yesterday and he was trying -- trying to appoint a new leader of the atf. the alcohol tobacco and firearm agency hasn't had a permanent leader in many years and he was addressing ghost guns, which you can buy kits for, you can go into a gun show and get a box and walk out. they don't ask you for id, what you want to do with it. doesn't matter. you can get oo ghost done. there's concern about the rise in violence with those loopholes being exploited. in new york city there's been a concerning rise in gun violence over the past couple of years during the pandemic.

and when mayor adams was running to be mayor part of his platform was to get gun violence under control. he said i'm a former cop, a former state senator. i understand this. i'm the one that can lead the city out of the pandemic and make it safer again. there was also rise in incidents with mentally ill in the city and an effort to get them the help they need and keep new yorkers say. there was an incident where a woman was pushed into the path of an oncoming subway car. so, the subway was already of intense focus for the new administration, new mayoral administration and the new nypd commissioner, both of them only in office or at their jobs for a few months. and this is the sort of thing that they were telling new yorkers that they were going to

get in front of. that they were going to stop. and again, this is happening in the middle of rush hour on a commuter subway car at a commuter station. not one of the ones that might be of the most intense focus. like the times square station or the rockefeller center station. some of the areas that are highly trafficked with both commuters and office workers and also tourists. this happened at a station that doesn't have the same amount of intense focus, the intense security around it. you wouldn't necessarily see a permanent police presence in a subway station like this. whereas you would see that in times square. an effort has been made over the past couple of years, especially the beginning of 2021, to get security cameras in every single station, working security cameras in every single station in new york city.

at the beginning of 2021, i think 40% of them weren't working. so, they want to amend that to make sure they have eyes on the subway. and it's onongoing effort. security cameras have always been an issue in the city. you talk to people in public housing and talk to them about their security cameras and they're often not working. how are you combatting crime in my neighborhood when you don't have eyes on it? it's part of funding, infrastructure, all of those things rolled up together. this is a moment where there will be a renewed intensity to get that done. the question is, after this subsides, they find the suspect, this fades am to the memory of new yorkers, will that intense focus to get those things working remain? will it still be of such a high interest? but again, as you were say issing, it's a nervous moment

for the city as we're coming back from the pandemic. people want to feel safe and an event like this doesn't help. >> no. absolutely, and also with us is bill bratton, of course, the former commissioner of the nypd. i interrupted you when john miller was introducing all of-speakers there. but from what you've heard, what are-first things they need to do? i guess a description of eye witnesses of this guy and figure out whether there's an accomplice. they have an active shooter who could be anywhere, given the fact he was on the subway. >> first thing they're seeking to do is identify who the shooter was and was he a loan actor? so, reaching out the public with that description, i think you'll shortly see as folks will share video cameras up and down the n-line. they'll be able to identify or provide a series of pictures of

this individual and they're scouring records to see if there were threats made previously that hadn't been responded to. there's a lot going on. i think we'll have a lot more detail later in the afternoon when they do the next pres conference, probably at police headquarters. the problem at the moment is the city and the subway were already dealing with an explosion of crime. not as bad as it was certainly back in the 1990s, when i first got here, but it's been of increasing concern. and this is only going to exacerbate that tremendously. people going home in the rush hour going to have increased concern about safety on the subway. the comment about this station, is a neighborhood station, it's not times square, not in manhattan and police can't be everywhere. almost a thousand additional officers on patrol in the subway, trying to deal with the rise of crime in the subway.

this is going to create a phenomenal political problem for the governor. actions have not been particularly promising. including the recent criminal justice reform that they just proposed in albany. the public are are going to start demanding a lot more from her. the mayor and the police commissioner both new to their job, have inherited a mesfrom the previous administration. but soon the mess is going to be theirs, not the previous administration. they have a job to reduce fear and reduce both crime and disorder in the city, both of which have been increasing. it's a tough scenario for a new administration. that's for sure. >> and what kind of cameras would be in the station? or even in the cars? if those of us who travel in europe, know there are cameras everywhere and that the privacy issues that were raised in the

states in the past about those cameras are kind of dismissed by european countries who have had so many terror attacks and had to deal with things and have that video evidence. >> the camera issues, when i first came to new york was cheaper. the new york was 1990. cameras were in their infancy. most didn't work because of the steel dust issues in the subways. they have increased the number of cameras. new york, next to london, is probably the most camera-heavy city in america. certainly more can be done. technology is getting better all the time. as we saw this morning, at least it's been reported, a camera that might have been beneficial was not working is and they're relying a lot on the smart phone video that people are sending in. that's a plus and mines for the nypd. their going to be flooded with

video to review. as for the camera situation, going forward, the technology allows them to be expanded dramatically and helps in preventing crime and as importantly solving crime after the fact. so, let's see where the political will in the state and the city comes into being after this event. will they reverse, particularly in albany, where they have been effectively attacking the police department, instead of working with it, undermining the efforts and particularly on the issue of the idea of use of technology. they don't want the police to use facial recognition technology. they don't want the police to use drones. they don't want the police to use cameras for the invasion of privacy in public spaces. political leadership are going to have to get their act together and give the nypd and

other police agencies in the state the tools that are available to help prevent these crimes and revolve them when they occur. because they will continue to occur. that's the reality of life in america today. >> i want to bring in pete williams but what i want to ask about first is this perpetrator put on a gas mask and the smoke device. so, he might be harder to identify by eye witnesses or anyone who pulled out a camera and started shooting. the car is filling with smoke and the guy has a mask on. bill? >> these people right now are are looking up and down the n-line lat the cameras and the stations. where did the individual come into the system. are i'd be willing to bet they will end up coming up with video showing where this individual

entered the system with a description of the grey hooded sweat shirt and construction vest and the bag he was carrying. they didn't describe the bag. but that information will help them scan camera and video that has been captured at subway stations. and at that subway station, where they get him coming in, they can angle to the streets above and look at every camera in that neighborhood. so, they're going to have a lot to work with going forward. friendship and hope -- and hopefully by the next press conference, they'll come up with images of the individual they're looking for. >> and pete williams, from the news room, you've had so much experience covering these types of incidents and what comes to mind is the video assembled after the boston marathon and the process of going through all of those pictures. >> reporter: although it took a couple of days for the authorities to realize what they had and it all started in that situation with a still picture of somebody, one of the bombers

actually setting down a backpack and that led to them going back the video. if i can show you something here on a map, i want to show you how this unfolded. according to the best reports that we have, it's on the n-line, which is the northbound line going into manhattan from brooklyn. and as the train is pulling into the 36-street station. so, while it's still on its way the station, according the police, that's when the gunman pulls out the gas mask and starts shooting. a number of people, the train doors open at the 36-street station and a number of people go up to the 25th street station. they jump on a tlain on the same platform as the 36th and they go up to the 25th and get off and also come out -- some of the injured came out there and that's why there was confusion about whether the shooting happened in two different stations. it didn't. what we know is the gunman, as

the train is coming into the 36-street station, pulls out the gas mask, sets off the device that fills the train full of smoke and starts firing. there have been no reports from witnesses the gunman yelled anything. often times, and i suspect it's one of the reasons why initially the police were saying they've seen no evidence this is -- no indication this is an act of terrorism. simply because there wasn't anything like that. so often in terrorist attacks, people will yell something or say why they're doing it to indicate what their political motive is. there's been nothing like this. in fact, it appears somebody, when the guy starts to put the gas mask on, one of the passengers said what are you doing? and the gunman didn't answer. he simply opened fire with what we believe was a handgun. the second point, i would

make, andrea, is while at least maybe eight or ten shots were fired, we know there were ten gun shot wounds. it's not clear each is from a separate round. could be ricochet, could be something else. the fact that many were shot and none of the injuries are life threatening is quite miraculous. could be the fact that the gunman couldn't see anything when he set the smoke off. it's such a strange set of factors here. but those with, think are important to note. unknown where the suspect fled of course. and in terms of evidence, there was a word spoken in the news conference that went by very fast. john miller, the spokesman for the department said federal agencies are are assisting with tracing. if the gunman was using modern

type pistol, they're ejected from the revolver. in the more modern glock-type pistols, the round is ejected and that is important forensic information. because obviously you can look to see if there are are fingerprints on the mound because you have to put them in the magazine to get them to the gun. whether the gunman touched them and left fingerprinted will be important. both the firing rink and the system that ejects the round from the gun, they both lead very distinctive marks. if you will, almost ballistic fingerprints on the rounds themselves that the bureau of alcohol, tobacco and firearms can compare to a data base they have of gun crime material that's been picked up at other crime scenes.

and that can be used to try to trace where the weapon came from. that's additional important forensic information, andrea. >> and before i let you go, one little fact that was mentioned by the mta was thanking the swift thinking of the other mta people who were on the train for moving our train out to carry people to safety to the next station. so, that's probably why there was some confusion about the two stations being involved. some of the people were quickly moved to the r-train. >> you see that video right now that we're showing on the right side of the screen and people pouring out of the car where the shooting happened as it comes into the 36-street station. on the other side of the platform is another train. you can't hear it but witnesses have told us there are are people -- the announcement is being made. you get on to the other train and get out of the station. they were trying to clear the

station as quickly as possible. and some of the injured were not able to get on the train. but some of the people who had relatively minor injuries were and they moved across the platform and came out of the 26-street station as well. >> that's what i was surmising from looking at the video with the smoke is obviously coming from the smoke-filled car. thank you so much, pete williams. i know you're going to stay on this and keep working all your sources. bill bratton, if you have some final thoughts about this, the forensics, we know that 10 people were injured. we don't know if that's 10 separate shots. i believe it was a revauvrlt. what we were told earlier is there's a possibility this could be a semiautomatic pistol. >> as pete was explaining, there would be shell casings, which would be kicked out considerably with people fleeing the subway

car but that's where the crime scene investigation will seek to determine if it was shell casings from semiautomatic or possibly a revolver, in which it doesn't eject the shell casings. if there's good news coming out of the event this morning is that in a crowded, confined space on a subway car, that no matter what number of shots that were fired, it's amazing that nobody was killed in this incident. and by all accounts, the reports of people at the hospital, that none are in a life-threatening situation, thankfully, at the moment. in the midst of all the bad news, you try find little nuggets of good news and that's one thing i think we can be thankful for. in terms of pete's account, it's an extraordinary account trying to explain the confusion this morning. two stations, two different trains. people not familiar with the new york city subway station, it's an incredibly complex system in

the idea of two trains, two separate platforms and separate lines that led to the confusion and understanding what was happening here. >> thanks so much for your invaluable expertise. and we're going to have a lot more coming up with my partner on the scene in brooklyn. continuing coverage, breaking news coverage of the brooklyn subway shooting. the brooklyn subway shooting. it's 5:00 a.m., and i feel like i can do anything. we've been coming here, since 1868. there's a lot of cushy desk jobs out there, but this is my happy place. there are millions of ways to make the most of your land. learn more at deere.com asya agulnik md: st. jude was founded with an understanding there are millions of ways to make the most of your land. that no child should die in the dawn of life. to work with many partners all over the world,

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who were shot are in critical but stable condition, but none have life-threatening injuries, which is just extraordinary. this mundt is under way. they don't know if they're looking for one person. they know this person was on the train and as they approached the station put on a gas mask, then triggered a smoke device, then started shooting. we know at least ten people were shot, don't know if there were ten shots or if there was ricochet. this was a normal, beautiful day in rush hour from brooklyn at a residential area. >> reporter: it's perhaps one of the prettiest days we've had in the city in quite some time. you're right. and the injuries as you're talking about, some reported shrapnel injuries. one of the questions i asked the

commissioner or the deputy fire chief while she was answering questions was if it's shrapnel, where did that come from. she said it might have been a ricochet from a bullet. i said what about an explosive device? and she said they're currently investigating. so they're unclear at this time if there was a secondary device or something beyond the gas canister or the gun that the suspect shot with. again, remarkable given the circumstances, given that the train was relatively crowded, it was 8:30 a.m., on its way to manhattan, a northbound train, and the person opened a gas canister, the train filled with smoke and opened fire, remarkable that the injuries are not life sletening. they'll give an update on the status of the victims in a few hours once they have more information. they're also going to give an update on the investigation itself and what they can tell us about the suspect or if the suspect was working in

connection with anybody else. they don't know that right now. jumaane williams is on scene. a staff member of his was on the train. we'll try to get an interview with him to bring it to the msnbc viewers to find out what they can tell us about the incident. again, all officials right now are trying to find people just like that staff member to ask them what happened, to get all the information they can to find this person. >> with me here is donell harvin. you've had experiences with mass shootings and with incidents in the district, but this is new york city. it's the country's biggest subway network, subway system, and this guy could be anywhere. and he could have partners, accomplices. we don't know that. >> absolutely. what you're experiencing in new york city is probably one of the biggest manhunts in the history of the city if not the country. the suspect still at large, clearly dangerous. there are individuals, including schools sheltering in place.

right now, what the investigators and intelligence people in new york city are doing is looking at a massive treasure trove of cctv from private or public spaces to try to piece together the movements of this individual and where they may be. >> since 9/11, they've had this coordinated counterterrorism operation with the fbi, with the feds, with the new york city police, with state police. they have the best counterterrorism operation probably in the world. right there in new york city. and they're deployed around the world whenever there's an incident anywhere to see if there's any new york component or new york angle of it. so they are better prepared. there are 40,000 police officers, right? >> absolutely. i'm a little biased because i was part of that apparatus when i was in new york city. clearly, these type of attacks, if it turnings out to be a lone actor, what we call a lone wolf, it's very difficult to detect and interdict.

that's what we'll find out hopefully in subsequent press conferences and certainly as the investigation unfolds. we need to understand if this individual is acting alone or is this a larger conspiracy with other individuals. >> jim kavanagh is with us, former special agent at atf, and clint watts, former fbi. jim, when they're looking at ballistics, shell cases, and start tracing some kind of gun if they can. >> that's right, andrea. we have a crowded subway car, ten people who suffered gunshot wounds. the close space, the proximity of the victims to the shooter, it's amazing we don't have more fatalities. maybe we have a small-caliber weapon here, a .25 or .308, something small. we're probably not dealing with a large caliber like a .40 or .45. we'd have more devastating wounds. everybody is stable.

we have low wounds. was the shooter shooting low or did the smoke confuse it? what's his motive? it's wide open, of course, but it could be just the chaos that has ensued. maybe the shooter just wanted to happen what we're all watching happen -- chaos for his own motive. it could be to cover another crime in another part of the city or just to cause disruption because he's angry and mad or hateful about something. >> clint watts, what would you be looking for right now? >> i think, andrea, jim has got it exactly right, which is the more we learn about this, it leans towards what seems like just violence for the purpose of violence. there doesn't seem to be clearly any motive at this point. we'll learn more from nypd as the day goes on. in terms of the incident itself, the use of the smoke cans or the

gas mask, these are not things you normally do if you want to hit a target or a target specifically. i think the big question will be why this subway and why this subway car. is there anything specific to it? and is it part of something larger? we were talking one to two hours ago the question was about is there any sort of nexus with terrorism or is it related to any sort of terrorism. there's not been any claim of responsibility by a group. there's not been any manifesto we have seen in domestic terrorism type attacks. not as of yet. there's a lot of unknowns here that raise the question what was the purpose of this attack and why didn't the shooter -- why did he feel the need to do it? it doesn't correspond to anything i've seen before. >> and final thoughts before a break, what are the next steps trying to be, trying to find some imagery of this guy. >> you have a large shelter in place operation going on, where people have to stay put,

especially schools. i'm confident in the nypd, one of the largest and best forces in the country, and they have a lot of people out there looking at cameras and interviewing individuals to catch this person. >> that does it for us for our breaking news coverage on "andrea mitchell reports" today. we'll have continuing coverage all day right here on msnbc of this subway shooting in new york city. chris jansing will pick up the breaking news coverage after this. your projects done right . with angi, you can connect with and see ratings and reviews. and when you book and pay throug you're covered by our happiness check out angi.com today. angi... and done.

i'm chris jansing. we're continuing to follow developments after a shooting on a subway train this morning. police say at least 16 people were injured when a single individual first donned a gas mask, opened a canister, then opened fire. at least ten of those victims were shot, five in critical condition but stable, and none of the victims suffered what are believed to be life-threatening injuries. the suspect is on the loose and there is a major manhunt under way. check this out, video from the aftermath of the incident on the train, pulling into the 36th street station in brooklyn, sunset park neighborhood. eyewitnesses describe a chaotic scene, panic, and shock. riders trying to get off the train as it pulls into the station, smoke billowing. someone tweeted this video, ai