i'm chris jansing. we're continuing to follow developments after a shooting on a subway train this morning. police say at least 16 people were injured when a single individual first donned a gas mask, opened a canister, then opened fire. at least ten of those victims were shot, five in critical condition but stable, and none of the victims suffered what are believed to be life-threatening injuries. the suspect is on the loose and there is a major manhunt under way. check this out, video from the aftermath of the incident on the train, pulling into the 36th street station in brooklyn, sunset park neighborhood. eyewitnesses describe a chaotic scene, panic, and shock. riders trying to get off the train as it pulls into the station, smoke billowing. someone tweeted this video,

claiming to be recorded inside the subway. it appears to show some of the gunfire. [ gunfire ] >> you can hear what appear to be shots in the background. as for suspect, investigators describe him as a black man about 5'5" tall, wearing a construction vest with a gray hooded sweatshirt underneath. they are not calling this a terrorist attack at this point, but they are calling it an active shooter situation. >> this individual is still on the loose. this person is dangerous. we are asking individuals to be very vigilant and alert. we'll get more reports on specificity as the day goes on. this is an active shooter situation right now in the city of new york. >> i'm joined by nbc's ron allen in brooklyn and nbc justice correspondent pete williams.

ron, i don't know if you've had an opportunity to talk to sunset park residents. how is the neighborhood reacting? what else can you tell us about what you're seeing on the scene? >> reporter: i think most residents here are sort of shocked this has happened here. it seems to have little to do with this particular neighborhood at this point. we know nothing that suggests why the gunman opened fire, put on the gas mask here as the train was going into the 36th street station on the way presumably to new york, another few stops along the way. the police investigators said nothing that suggests why here, why now, why today. so i think for the most part, residents here are feeling a lot of questions about why this neighborhood. the bigger problem at this point i think that was just the manhunt, the search. where is this individual? the authorities aren't sure whether he got back on the train. there were some reports he ran into the subway tunnel.

of course this is now many hours later. he could be anywhere. and it appears from authorities at this point feel this individual acted alone. at least the part of the attack that happened earlier today. now, whether he's getting help at this point is unclear. but that's the concern. where is this individual? he is considered dangerous. he is considered still armed. as you know from being a new yorker, chris, the subways are getting busier. so there's a lot of anxiety now around the city because this individual is on the loose and people are riding home, riding in subways throughout the day wondering what's happening. that's the focus now, the manhunt for this individual, as the governor put it, this active shooter situation across new york city. >> pete, we just heard one of our guests describing this as potentially one of the biggest manhunts we have ever seen. tell us what we know about this. i think there was probably some surprise or at least people hoped they might see a

photograph, still shots of the suspect. might we expect that later today? >> reporter: well, it's certainly the hope that there will be. we don't know of one yet. it's not like that there's one circulaing in internally that they haven't decided to show publicly yet. we don't believe that's the situation. i'm sure what they're doing is checking to see whether there were any working cameras on the subway platform after the train came in that don't seem to have been. they're talking to as many witnesses as they can, people in the train or on the platform, to see what videos they have. the other thing they will do is this individual was on the northbound n-line, one of the northbound lines leading from brooklyn into manhattan and had to get onto the train at some point. it's obviously very clear what the person was wearing. the police say an orange vest with a gray hoodie carrying a bag. now, that's a very distinctive

thing to look for, so you can be sure that what the police are now doing is back tracking, going back up the line, back south, the train is northbound when it comes into the 36th street station. you're looking at people pouring out of the car where the shooting happened. the gunman started the shooting as the train was approaching the 36th street station according to the police, put on a gas mask, set off a smoke device, filling the car with smoke, and then began to open fire with a handgun. miraculously, chris, no one was killed in that. the police say that there were five critically injured with wounds, but they're staid to be in stable conditions. and the police have said none of the injuries are life-threatening. so what the police are now doing with the help of other law enforcement agencies is working their way back up the line, looking at cameras from other subway stops. this individual got onto the train somewhere and that's what

one additional thing they can look for to try to see what they can find out. now, the second piece of evidence, obviously, in terms of eyewitness descriptions, people have video there, is if the person used what we believe is a pistol that ejects the cartridges after the rounds are fired. those cartridges, those shell casings, will be left in the subway car. those are important pieces of evidence. first of all, the police will -- and the atf will look to see if when the gunman loaded those rounds into the magazine of the weapon, did the gunman leave fingerprints, physical fingerprints from his fingers, but secondly, there are distinctive marks that are left on a shell casing when they're fired and then ejected. the atf can compare those marks to its national database of such marks and see whether they can find whether that weapon had been used in any other crimes. that will be a way to trace the weapon. there are a number of approaches

that they're taking right now to try to figure out who this person is. >> all right. let me ask you a little bit more if i can about the potential of forensic evidence here. jim, in addition to whether or not there might be casings somewhere, we know we have ten people who were shot. we know hours ago they were taken to the hospital and treated. so presumably, bullets have been recovered. what that might be able to tell investigators? >> well, possibly they could track that back to a gun if a gun was used in another crime somewhere. hopefully they can track it back to the shooter's gun when he is arrested or a gun is recovered. one thing to remember, the people wounded inside the hospital are critical witnesses. commanding an operation like this, we would detach detectives and special agents to the hospital en masse, be waiting

outside the door where the doctor would allow us to interview all ten of those victims immediately, all 18 victims, because those are likely the people in proximity to the shooter, the closest people to the shooter. there's not a camera on the car that worked, they would have saw him before he donned the mask and they could get a better description of him. from that, they can get a catch. some of that is old school. so they put that together, the cameras, the sketch, the eyewitnesses, the forensics if possible, of course fingerprints, and then try to get ahead of this guy walking back that video, as pete described, from the other subway station, chris, maybe back to even his home where he came from. i'd say he's probably home watching the news and peering through the blinds to see if the police are coming because this

is a big vent in his life and he's watching it somewhere. he's paying attention. the reality of subways today is people are on their phones. they're not necessarily checking out who's on the car. that's one. two, it was rush hour. it looked from the people coming off the train, it was a pretty crowded train, and then we have eyewitness reports that say once he threw out the canister, smoke billowed out pretty quickly. i've read descriptions of local reporters saying the folks in that car could not see in front of themselves once the smoke filled up. but you feel pretty confident that somebody saw this guy. >> yeah. we've all been on the subway cars and what you say is true.

but all those witnesses won't be able to identify the guy, but you have a lot of witnesses, 10 shot and another 6 or 8 hurt and they are likely in proximity. some of those people can probably give a good eyewitness description and maybe a sketch. you know, probably, chris, the smoke hampered his shooting. you know, once he threw the smoke first and the car started to fill up, you know, it's hard to shoot accurately with a handgun. of course you're in a very closed environment, so that allows you to shoot a lot of people, but once the smoke billows out it's hard to aim. i think it's possible we have a small-caliber gun because we don't have a lot of fatalities. a larger caliber weapon i expect would be knocking people down hard and we're not seeing that. so it's not absolute. it's just an observation that's possible that the weapon was a smaller caliber and the smoke might have hindered his shooting. >> i'm joined by an eyewitness,

conrad. you live in sunset park. you saw the aftermath of the shooting i'm told. tell us exactly what you saw. where were you and when did you realize something was terribly wrong? >> well, i was on the level above that one. what i saw was a young guy run up to the station booth, and he was bleeding from the legs, i think. it seemed like his pants were down and he was tending to his wounds. but otherwise he seemed like he was, you know, seemed like he was okay. i'm hoping he's all right. he was essentially alerting people to what happened. he was saying there's been people injured, they're bleeding, and, you know, that's

basically it. i thought i heard him say shots or shooting, but i wasn't totally sure so i didn't really know what really happened for a long time. >> and what was the scene? i mean, were people pouring up out of that subway platform? what was the overall scene beyond that one guy who went to the booth? >> no. yeah. you would think it would be pandemonium at that point, but it was not. everything -- this was just -- it felt like the first moment that anyone off of that platform knows anything that was happening. so people were coming up and down the stairs just like normal. there weren't a lot of people on the level above. you know, it was simply this young guy alerting us all. so he was the only clue to the sense that anything was amess at all. >> could you tell what had happen to him? did it look like he'd been shot or could it have been some other kind of injury that was causing

him to bleed? >> yeah, i don't want to say for sure. i wasn't very close to him. i just saw that there was blood. there wasn't a lot of blood all over the place, but there was blood, you know, around his legs, so that's where i got the sense he was injured. you know, it was kind of like if you get hit, you would probably take your pants down to look at the wound. that's what it seemed like to me. but apparently he got up from the platform on his own. you know, he just was the first person who thought, hey, i need to alert people. despite his being injured, you know, he pulled himself up those steps and he let us all know. >> wow. so, were you heading down to the subway? were you leaving the subway? and what you what did you do when you realize something had happened? or did you immediately start to see a police presence? >> yeah. well, like, right away, i'll tell you what happened. so i was in the middle of sending a text to my wife,

and -- which was completely mundane and unconnected with any of this. and then while i was thinking and writing that text is when i saw him. and then the next text i sent was, you know, i was saying, hey, something went down in the subway, i'm getting out of here. the first was at 8:32, the second at 8:33, and right when -- you know, i thought i wanted to know more because i really didn't understand what happened. i didn't know if there was some kind of -- if it had to do with a subway crash or what, really. i thought i heard gunshots but i wasn't sure. i started taking out my camera, but my next thought is you're not going to do any good here

really and emergency responders need to come and you should get out of the way. plus, you'd be risking your own life, i have a family and wife and kids at home and it did not make any sense for me to follow that impulse to find out more. so once i made that decision, i got out of there as quickly as i could. right as i'm moving towards the stairway, i see, like, several police officers rushing down through turnstile. as i'm coming out to the street, i see, you know, police and emergency vehicles arriving. so the response was very soon after that guy's alert. >> literally within minutes you saw police it sounds like based on the timing of your texts -- >> less than minutes i would say. >> wow. >> i decided to get out of there. i didn't hang around to watch anything else or to get more information. you know, i had all the information i needed. i started up the steps, which was just a short flight of steps, and then, you know, by the time i was moving i already

saw several police officers rushing in. >> how are you doing? because this is a traumatic experience and i wonder how you feel about it given that this is your home, this is your neighborhood. >> yeah. it's shocking. you think of this neighborhood being out of the way. and i didn't know anything about this other than learning bits and pieces as i've been talking to reporters basically. so to find out this was some kind of mass shooting event is -- just feels like a real shock. you know, it's not where you would expect someone to be trying to make a big scene like that, you know, maybe, you know, certainly there could be an incident, but something that seems intended to have this kind of effect, you know, is -- it's kind of like -- it seems almost laughable in a sense like when you see -- when they have

security, you know, checking, you normally thinking manhattan. because it's very much a residential neighborhood. it's not in the middle of everything like, you know, once again, those cities, people heading to manhattan, you know, so even though there's plenty of people around, it's not like it's isolated. >> we're glad you're okay. i'm sure you'll be keeping your family close today. i'm sorry this happened basically in our city, in your neighborhood, and we thank you in the middle of all this for taking the time to talk to us, konrad. we appreciate it. >> thank you. take care. >> clint, as i'm listening to, this and he doesn't have any information about the behavior of the shooter -- we know very little really about the shooter. but do we have enough? do profilers have enough at this point to develop a profile of who they might be looking for? >> i think they don't know who they're looking for as much as who they're not looking for

probably based on the information they've gotten so far. just some key things that jim mentioned earlier. you've got smoke that was obviously preplanned. you know, the perpetrator brought it in there, brought a protective mask so they could at least breathe, brought the weapon. but they don't seem to be knowing who they're shooting at, which is also unusual. usually there's a specific reason they pick a target, specific place they pick a target for. maybe if it's an act of terrorism, it's for ideological purposes, strategic significance, domestic terrorism we see targeting against certain individuals or race. this person didn't seem to really know what they were shooting at at all other than for the sake of violence. it definitely was also preplanned, but at the same point not preplanned at least from what we can tell from any specific means -- >> or to target a particular person. >> exactly right. who are they after or what are

they trying to achieve other than just create an act of violence and a spectacle. at the same point as jim mentioned earlier, it would not be surprising if this person is right now watching a broadcast trying to see what they essentially caused out there. i think in terms of profilers and the folks that work, like jim does, looking at these instances over time and what the evidence or circumstance by which you see different types of individuals, the fbi down at quantico, they have groups that look at this. i'm sure they're starting to put together some pieces. ultimately, you still have to have a minimum amount of information about the shooter beyond just this description as you said, busy on subways, people looking at their phones, it was crowded, smoke and confusion. no one know who is they are looking for. maybe the eyewitnesses maybe didn't get a glimpse as they normally would. you're talking about a smoky,

confusing moment. i'm sure officers will come up with details pretty quickly. but the other big worry we should have is the shooter is still on the loose. and why wouldn't they undertake another attack or do something similar? or what i worry about in these circumstances, within hours or days you look at copycats doing something similar. it's a pretty dynamic situation. i'm sure nypd is pushing as quickly as they can on this. any and all evidence i think will be helpful for law enforcement. >> as konrad pointed out, of course covering far too many of these and you've been involved in these investigations as jim has been, people always say i can't believe it happened here. but konrad points out, this is not the busiest, this is not the most famous, this is not a police where you would think if somebody wanted to do something, this would be where they choose, so why here? was it he got nervous? it was an opportunity?

was he originally waiting to g into manhattan? so many questions we don't have answers to at this point. what we do know is there was a person on that train who dragged themselves up those stairs to alert someone, an official, in the subway booth, and that the police responded very, very quickly there. my thanks to jim clint and ron allen on the scene. up next, we'll have more on the investigation and that manhunt now under way in new york city. former nypd commissioner bill bratton joins us next. you're watching msnbc.

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we following a manhunt under way after a shooting in the sunset park neighborhood. an active shooter situation with

the suspect still on the loose. new york city's mayor, eric adams, a former police officer himself, released a video last hour. he said the city will not allow new yorkers to be terrorized and asked the public to come forward with any mfgs they have. mayor adams did not join other officials at the press conference earlier this morning. you might recall he is currently isolating after testing positive for coronavirus. i'm joined by new york city police commissioner bill bratton. it's always good to see you, commissioner. unfortunately it's usually in the worst situations like this. tell me your thoughts and what might be happening with your former colleagues on the nypd. >> early on in the investigation, you want to identify and apprehend the suspect. it seems to be just one individual at the moment. and fortunately, we've got the nypd, fbi, all working on this

with significant police and federal agencies in the country who collaborate very well together. this is going to require also assistance from the public once they are able to get photos out of this individual, which they will certain be able to do, looking for the public's help to identify who this individual might be. they'll also be scouring their records, social media, et cetera. there are so many facets to these investigations. but new york has the best capabilities of any city in the country to deal with incidents such as this. i anticipate this individual will be apprehended fairly quickly. hopefully, that will be the case because commuters going home tonight if he another still on the loose are going to be careful and that's normal. but they have a lot of capabilities in instances such as this. >> given that we're almost five hours into this now, though,

commissioner, are you surprised we haven't seen a photo yet? >> no, i'm not, actually. evidently the cameras, if there were cameras in that station, were not working, a common problem in the subway. the steel dust issue is problematic, even modern technology in a subway. but what they will be quickly doing is that individual was evidently on that train, on that line, for several stations, and they know the time and schedule of that train so they'll be quickly going to other station on that line to see if any of the cameras might have captured him as he entered the system and if they can capture that, they can go up to street and basically look at the various cameras on that street so that there's great ability in the resources tandiman pouer of the nypd to carry out that multipronged type of search and analysis. that's what's going on at the moment as well as individuals who for whatever reason may have

take an photo of this individual, and now that his description has been given out, somebody might think, geez, i took a photo of that guy for whatever reason, and pass that information along. if anything, the department is probably going to be flooded with an awful lot of photos, images, and calls to help resolve and solve this situation. >> tell us about the systems that are in place, both technical and in just in terms of sheer manpower to get to the heart of this, which starts with who is this guy and where might he be. >> the police department has phenomenal resources, manpower, technological capabilities, and the collaboration with the federal agencies will be essential also. you have force multiplying capabilities, close relationship with the mta. these agencies do repeated deals to deal with multiplicity of crises in the subway system.

some of the property spots you saw is based on experience from training drills as well as unfortunately active incidents in years past. going forward, the issue is going to be taking a look at where might technology have improved in this incident or the more speed di resolution of it. we have an irony in the state where police are handicapped by political leadership that effectively doesn't want to make available to them a lot of technology that would assist. facial recognition, artificial intelligence, drones, more cameras. almost everything that the police look to get will insist of taking advantage of the modern technology, there is political leadership pushing back against that. there will be an issue that comes to the forefront as a result of this investigation.

>> you point out rightly there will be a lot of people who have to take the subway later today, people who have gone to weather and need to get home, maybe who may not be able to afford to call an uber or a lyft. what is happening in terms of securing the city? >> the good news is in response to the rising crime rates in the subway, which are still nowhere near where they are when i first came to new york as chief of the transit police in 1990, they've put in almost an additional thousand officers in the transit police bureau. they're also using a lot of patrol officers in the local precincts to patrol through the sectors. i think tonight one of the things going on in the department will be an effort over the next few days or so so put extra visible controls into as many of these stations as possible. the difficulty is there are 450

stations in the system, more than that, 700 some-odd different turnstiles at different entrances. at any given time there are 400 to 500 trains running in the system. to put police at every one of those is beyond even the capabilities of the nypd but they will try their best to keep the public calm by maximizing what visibility they can provide and then calling on the public to be even more aware of their surroundings sh the old adage, if you see something, say something. in this case, we're looking for 8 million new yorkers to be on the lookout for an individual wearing a construction vest, a gray hooded sweatshirt, and there might be more information coming soon. >> it occurred to me as i was listening to you that often in situations like this it is just good old-fashioned police work. it's technology. and sometimes it's a lucky

break, right? who knows if a tourist was on that train -- and i've seen many people just taking photos because it's a crowded train and they want to put out in social media, i'm in new york city and look how crowded the subway is. so we don't know where that information might come from, but i'm wondering, circling back to what you said at the beginning, what makes you confident they'll solve this fairly quickly? >> i've got a lot of confidence in the nypd. i was privileged to lead that department twice. transit police bureau in 1994. this isn't false boasting, but you have the greatest police department in the world coupled with their coordination capabilities with the federal agencies working on this case. they will get this individual. the effort being put into it is evidenced by what you're watching on the screen now, the tremendous sources that responded initially. i'm confident that they will get

them, but the urgency that we're seeking is going to be propelling them. the way to reduce fear in the city is to as quickly as possible apprehend this individual and understand the motive. that's always very important. was this a deranged individual? a hate crime? act of terrorism? we don't ono yet. that adds to the fear and the uncertainty. >> does your gut tell you something about this, commissioner, based on your long years of experience and great knowledge of new york? >> my gut on this, frankly, i don't believe this is an act of terrorism. what was missing often time where is we've had terrorist action in the past is there are slogans shouted, words shouted. as best we can tell, this individual didn't say anything during the course of this event. they will be scouring certainly the counterterrorism units and task force all of their tracking tools over the last several days to see if they might have missed something, if there was a

message sent about a pending terrorist attack. the fact that it wasn't in the city tells them there was no imminent threat of terrorism. my sense is we'll find a lone gunman motivated not necessarily by a terrorist motivation, but until we apprehend him and interrogate him and have access to his social media if he has it, we really won't know. but i am confident they will make an arrest on this. >> commissioner bill bratton, always great to have the opportunity to talk to you and to take advantage of your expertise. thank you so much for that. he just mentioned social media. nbc's vaughn hillyard is here to walk us through the latest footage surfacing online. vaughn, what else have we seen from the scene? we're watching videos posted in the last few hours come in. there's i think the reality we all have to come to terms with

for those in new york city is that this gunman is still on the loose. what this video shows us is that this particular individual opened gunfire after opening this canister, filling the subway vehicle with smoke in the middle between two stops here at 8:30, at the heart of rush hour traffic this morning in a major residential business area. you see these individuals, dozens of them, fleeing here after the subway vehicle comes to a halt at this platform. it's half chaos, half confusion as individuals stumble and stagger out there. i think it's important to know when we're talking about new york city, this city's back not to where it was 2019, prepandemic levels. at the same time, we're looking at subway ridership at about 70% the levels it was prepandemic, which is to say we're still talking about 1.7 million riders every single day on the subway system in new york city.

we are now five hours since this attack took place. and there is still -- you know, as individuals will be looking to go home in the next three, four, five hours in new york city, they'll be looking to go home. this subway, the n-train, was heading northbound out of brooklyn. to give you an idea, it was two stops away from lower manhattan, the canal street stop near wall street. you're talking about an interconnected system which is still very much in operation. a few of these subway stops are at a halt here, but looking at this video an individual took in the train here of folks that are covering up their faces, clearly disoriented, confused. there's another video that is now circulating that we here at nbc news have cleared and verified from the subway train apparently next to this one in which the gunman opened fire. and you hear multiple bangs, sounds of bangs. it's not clear whether those were gunshots or there's also

part of a video in which an individual is clearly between the two trains. you know, there's a lot of questions as to the ability of an individual to move from one train to the other. to what extent was that potentially a situation at play here? because we still do not have any video or apparent photos of this individual from any of the social media video we have gathered. we know that this individual for authorities apparently had a greenish colored vest as well as a gray hoodie, is 5'5" to 5'7", a little heavier set, 175 pounds, a black male. this is an active gunman in new york who is still here on the loose as we start looking towards the hours in which most folks in new york city are going to start heading home themselves. >> reiterating again, anyone on or around those trains who might have taken some photos or video, at least has that to go on if they're looking to see if they have something useful. let me go back to the scene. nbc's katy tur has been there for several hours now. what can you tell us from there

in sunset park? >> reporter: they just opened up the streets here so now traffic can go through. it had been closed all morning since the shooting. a couple of pieces of information for you, one from a source at the mta, who is telling me what they do not know is whether the suspect fled within the subway tunnels or if the suspect left and walked up the stairs and fled on the street. what they're doing right now is going from subway to subway to subway, station to station to station, forgive, they're going this way because he was on the northbound line, and they are looking at all of the surveillance video they can to see, to try to determine if they can catch a glimpse of this person within the subway tunnels. they don't know, again, whether he fled underground or up here. they're also doing the same thing with all the surveillance video on the street. they've talked to multiple witnesses, and so far not a single one of them can give them a clear indication where this suspect went, what direction they fled in.

also on the subject of terrorism, i was just talking to john miller, deputy commissioner of intelligence and counterterrorism for the nypd in new york, and i asked the question about commissioner sewell coming out and saying no terrorism and clarify that for me because it felt a little early to be able to make that conclusion. he said very clearly, we don't know who this guy is, we don't know this guy's motive, we are not ruling anything out. what they're doing is they're trying to gather all the information they can alongside the joint terrorism task force. so both investigations are going concurrently. then if it is determined that this was an act of terror and not just somebody with mental problems who wanted to kill people, then they will hand it over to the joint terrorism task force and the fbi. it will become a bigger investigation. what they don't want to happen is find out this guy was acting alone, that it was a mental illness issue, that it was not related to terror, and then have to pull it back and restart

their own investigation all over again. they are not ruling anything out right now. >> thank you for that. i know you have some preparations to make and folks to talk to because she'll be leaving our coverage starting at the top of the hour. for right now, what we know and don't know as law enforcement conducts this massive investigation in brooklyn. a former member of president obama's task force on policing will join me just ahead. you're watching ongoing coverage on msnbc.

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pay as little as zero dollars for your first prescription. welcome back. we are continuing to follow the latest developments after a shooting on a subway platform in the sunset park neighborhood of brooklyn. we're being updated on the fact that vice president harris, in addition to the president, is getting regular updates on this situation. the new york city fire department says 16 people were injured in the shooting, 10 suffering gunshot wounds, all the victims in stable condition. new york city law enforcement still searching for the shooter. the nypd chief told reporters during a press conference just a few hours ago they are not investigating the shooting as a terrorist situation right now. still with me here on set, nbc national security analyst clint

watts and sedrick alexander. i'm still going over in my head what bill bratton told me. he's sounding very confident, a people who have worked with the nypd and federal agencies involved in this investigation talk about their experience, talk about their knowledge, their capabilities and the electronics they have. we're also in a situation where -- and we don't know what investigators know right now, but we don't have a description beyond the most generic description. the video camera in the subway didn't work. and as katy tur just pointed out, having spoke on the an mta source of hers, they don't even know right now whether the suspect may have gone up the stairs and gone into the crowd or went in the subway tunnel. there are literally hundreds of people who live in new york subway tunnels. so in a city like new york, in a subway system like new york has, what are the additional complications that investigators

are working with right now? >> well, certainly there will be a number of complications, but we cannot underestimate this, and i agree with former commissioner bratton, that it's just a matter of timer who this person or persons are are brought to justice. let's not underestimate nypd and the number of resources it has gathered since 9/11 and when that city became a target of the attack apt that particular moment. many assets were brought into that city from that day forward. we've had advanced technology. we're able to utilize technology and share intelligence information in a way that we have not been able to in the past. so by a couple cameras being out it's not going to make or break this case. what's going to make this case is that there's other technology out there, still an ensuing investigation that is going on. there's old-school investigation where you just have to go heel

to toe and talk to witnesses and pull camera video from stores and buildings nearby. but there's going to be a lot of intelligence poured into this. but we have to remember we're still very early in this investigation, and i think that time goes on, we're going to know more. here's the other thing we cannot underestimate as well too. because of nypd's experience around these types of unfortunate events, they also know how much information they want to share and can share. so we also make the assumption that they may be working with information that we're not aware of because in no way do us or them want to make sure -- we want to make sure that a case is put together that's going to establish the necessary arrest. don't underestimate how much they know at this point. >> let me ask you about the interviews that are going on right now, because we know that police are going door to door,

fbi agents are going door to door, tracking down some of the witnesses, tracking down people either who maybe have contacted them, posted things on social media. and i assume that it's true, what we hear for those of us who watch police procedurals maybe far more than we should, that you talk to people because they may have seen something or know a detail that they don't understand could be important, but to an experienced investigator could be very important. fair to say? >> yes, absolutely so. but one thing about those individual investigations, because they've still got to interview those at the scene, those that were injured when they're able to take statements from them, and other individuals as well too. those that might have been going down into the tunnel while the suspect was heading up the stairs. who knows? because we don't know his or her departure, how they got out.

so this is still very early in all of this. but i'm fairly certain as time goes on more and more information is going to be shared in the video to the public. >> we do know, clint watts, and they made it clear they're going to update us again a little later on today. what would you be looking for today? >> yeah. i think key pieces of evidence rally what i'm looking to hear from the nypd in the sense that, okay, talking about cartridges, essentially from the weapon, that could be something they can use to build a forensic case file. separately, i've heard a lot about this smoke canister that was taken into the subway, did the perpetrator leave it behind or any other sort of items that might leave forensic trail? the next thing they'll be looking for if they can find it if it was left behind, is a weapon left anywhere, if so, that could give them -- >> articles of clothing. did he get rid of that vest?

did he throw the gaz somewhere? >> yeah. it's clear this person had a plan when they entered the subway from what we know so far. came in, put on a gas mask, opened a canister, began firing. if they had a plan for that, did they have a plan for other othe things such as an escape route. it's interesting the discussion. do we even know if they exited from the subway station or get on another subway or go somewhere down the subway lines? i think bigger picture, we're coming up on six hours now. in most situations where it's a public act of terrorism you would see a group or organization claim responsibility, a person leave a manifesto, you might see someone posting on social media about it or linking it. we've seen nothing, really, so far which is interesting in and of itself. the next big thing is in terms of the victims, is there any rhyme or reason or pattern other than random violence? it seems like random violence.

we would want to know who were those wounded, were they part of a group or a dozen random people targeting for no specific reason? and with that, the last thing in terms of the weapon, it seems maybe it's a pistol or small caliber pistol. you haven't had people die. the wounds have been sporadic and all over the human body in different places. you want to know what kind of weapon it is. new york city has some of the tighter gun control laws in the country so seeing long guns, assault rifles, is unusual in new york city. doesn't seem to be the case here. i think it's eliminating a lot of things as much as confirming them to get a sense for where we're at. just to conclude what are the leads? do they have any substantial

leads? because this person is still out there. there's nothing to prevent them from doing something similar or copycats to do something similar. >> we only have a few minutes left but when we say active shooter there is a sense somebody be is out there with a gun who may pose a clear and present danger and you have to, as the governor said, treat it that way. having said that, we don't know. we don't know if he's gone into hiding. we don't know if he's left his gun, thrown it somewhere else. we don't know if he's still armed. you have to approach this from the idea something else could happen because we don't have the suspect in custody. >> that is correct and we do have to make that assumption and make the assumption to be on the lookout for copycats. in a matter of a few hours new yorkers will be heading home and

i can assure you everyone is going to be on high alert and people who are trying to get home, go home, be safe. if you see something, say something, look out for each other on your travel home this afternoon or tonight but people will have to get home. and it's a city on high alert and filled with a great deal of anxiety until someone is brought into custody. they have to continue to thrive and be open and people have to get from point a to point b and one of the best ways they can do that on their way home, on their travel throughout the city until someone is apprehended as you've heard so many times before, if you see something, say something, be alert, look out for each other. just be alert in the city. >> i will ask you if i can a question i asked clint a little while ago which is that given

what we do know, the public information that is out there, can you in your mind or do you imagine that the investigators whose job this is are, even if they don't have a photo, even if they don't have an identity, are able to start developing a profile of the shooter? >> well, the thing about it as far as we know, we don't know what the police may be in possession of. even if we say that they have very little or minimal information at this point of who the shooter or persons involved, one thing i am confident, every minute that goes by during this investigation that is actively taking place right now, information will be gathered and they're going to obtain information that we may not be privy to but in these press conferences we listen and see what they're able to share and ask the right, appropriate

questions that will be relevant to the city and the people of new york. >> final thoughts, clint? >> yeah, i think it's just more interesting to me of all the recent mass shootings or terrorist attacks in the last few years we've known something quite quickly, even when you went back to, you might remember, the nashville bombing on christmas day a couple years back, we started getting some information that quickly emerged, some details started to come out quite quickly. in this case it's a little bit scary that we don't know more. it could be like the chief said, maybe they know more that they just don't want to release at this point. they could be in tight pursuit. it could go the other way, there's not a lot of detail and we need to give it time and hope nothing bad happens in the meantime. it's an open-ended question six hours later. >> it could be someone who isn't

known to police. >> and that would make it particularly difficult if you don't have strong forensic evidence, you don't have video evidence and there's no premeditation, no group or entity, no manifesto, not much to go on. if they don't have a criminal record, it can be tough. >> thank you so much for sharing all of your information and expertise. we will continue, obviously, to monitor the ongoing manhunt, the situation in brooklyn. meantime, president biden and vice president harris, have been briefed on the latest developments. both are traveling. white house staffers are in touch with mayor adams. he was not at the press conference today because he has covid. he has been isolating. also in touch with sewell.

the president is heading to iowa to tackle soaring energy prices. of course yesterday he held that event where he talked about going against ghost guns and other weapons. we expect the president today to announce plans to allow a blended form of gas which uses ethanol to be sold this summer as we look at rising gas prices. according to the white house the blended gas, e-15, could cut gas prices as much as 10 cents a gallon and perhaps it's no coincidence this trip to iowa comes on the same day the labor department noted the highest inflation, climbing 8.5% compared to a year ago. so all of that happening right now that will do it for me this hour. msnbc's coverage of the subway shooting in new york continues with katy tur on the scene right after this break. pain hits fast. so get relief fast. only tylenol rapid release gels have laser drilled holes.

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