good to be with you. i'm katy tur coming to you live from brooklyn, new york, where a search is ongoing for a gunman after a shooting on a subway train. here is what we know right now. first, a warning this video may be hard to watch. according to the nypd the gunman donned a gas mask on a manhattan-bound train just before 8:30 a.m. and set off a device that filled a subway car with smoke. he then opened fire on passengers shooting ten people, according to the fdny. this video shows the people fleeing from the train after it pulled into the 36th street station and smoke billowing out of the car. fellow passengers helped the injured get to the station platform. what is not visible here is the shooter himself who fled the scene.

police are looking for a suspected described as 5'5", a black man weighing about 180 pounds who was wearing a green construction vest over a gray hooded sweatshirt during the attack. the nypd updated their investigation this afternoon. joined by the governor of new york. >> at this time we are working with our federal partners, asking for the public's help. anyone with information, videos or photographs, no matter how insignificant they think it may be are encouraged to crime crimestoppers 800-577-tips. >> this individual is still on the loose. this person is dangerous. we're asking individuals to be very vigilant and alert. you'll get more reports on specificity as the day goes on. this is an active shooter situation right now in the city of new york. >> joining me now is ron allen who is here in brooklyn with me and nbc news justice

correspondent pete williams. so, pete, i understand you have new information. >> reporter: well, one of the questions has been how will they identify him? what sort of evidence was left behind? we now know according to law enforcement officials he left behind a fair amount of material. apparently, according to police he pulled this gas mask and the canister out of a bag that he was carrying and opened fire with a handgun that he was carrying and our understanding now is that he left all of that behind when he fled the scene, when he fled the car. now the shooting happened as the subway train was pulling in. it's going northbound, going from brooklyn towards manhattan. and as it's pulling into the 36th street station, that's when the gunman puts on the gas mask, sets off the smoke, and begins firing and then fled and left behind the gun, a glock 9 millimeter which had apparently jammed, the gas mask, the bag

that he was carrying and smoke canisters. more than one smoke canister, we're told. there was also a back pack found at the scene. it is unclear whether it belonged to the shooter, the gunman, or whether it belonged to somebody else, but in that backpack was found some commercial fireworks and a torch. it could be that belonged to somebody else and is unrelated but that's something they are looking into. there was some sort of gasoline container found at the scene or on the platform. that's something to check out. the important thing this person who fired these shots left behind the gun and also the bag that he was carrying and some of the smoke canisters. so that's enormously valuable evidence for the police to try

to work with as they try to figure out who the person was and where they are now. >> pete, i have a question about shrapnel wounds. we asked this at the news conference earlier because some reported shrapnel wounds. >> reporter: right. >> and the fdny deputy commissioner said it could have been a ricocheted bullet, it could have been a graze from a bullet, but they weren't ruling out any sort of explosive device. have you heard anything more on that? >> reporter: i've heard nothing more to indicate explosive devices. just to trace back here early this morning right after this happened there were reports of potential explosive devices. as they flooded into the platform they saw things they thought that were suspicious, that could have been devices,

but no confirmation there were explosives set off or carried by the gunman. there were commercial fireworks found but they were unexploded so, no, it all appears to be either the gunshot wounds or material that the gunshot freed up and hit somebody or injuries people received in the chaos in the stampede to get away. >> another question, pete, at the press conference. the commissioner said as of now it's not a terror investigation. i followed up with jon miller, the deputy commissioner for inat the intelligence here at the nypd and he said right now what they are doing is running basically concurrent investigations because they're not sure. they don't want to hand it over if it is a terror related incident until they know it's a terror related incident. what are you hearing on that subject?

>> reporter: that's an easy one. they just don't know. so for that reason they can't say one way or the other. it's telling all the witnesses we have heard from, all the accounts we've heard and the law enforcement officials say the gunman didn't say anything that you might expect someone to say if it was a terror incident. often in the past the person carrying out the attack will say something, will make their intentions clear. will say whatever their cause is. there wasn't anything here. the only thing we've heard the gunman might have said is an expletive when the whole thing starts and whether that means he didn't mean to set off the canister and panicked and just started shooting, we don't know. we've heard nothing that would indicate it was terrorism. they just don't know. until they know who it is, they don't know.

>> jon miller said exactly that. we don't know who the guy is. we don't know what his motive was, and we're just not going to rule anything out right now. >> reporter: sure. >> ron allen, you're here just down the street from where i am in brooklyn. part of what investigators have been doing is trying to gather all the video they can, surveillance video, and talk to the witnesses. they couldn't find a single witness that gave them reliable information about how -- where that person went, whether they fled on foot up the stairs or whether they fled in the subway tunnels. in your conversations with people in and around the scene, what have they been telling you? >> reporter: well, yeah, no one knows exactly where they went. there was a chaotic scene, there was smoke, people staggering off the train wounded. so it's perfectly understandable why they may not have a person

idea of where the individual went. there's also some question about whether the surveillance cameras on the platform and at the subway station were working or not. there are some reports suggesting they were not working, which may be one reason we have not seen a picture of the individual yet. police may be withholding that as part of their investigation until they can figure out some other things. there is a police surveillance camera out on the street in front of the station that apparently was working. again, trying to pin down the specifics of that. there's a lot of camera footage no doubt from the stores and businesses around this area. there's cell phone video from the passengers on the train, from people in the neighborhood when this was all happening. again, 8:30 in the morning, there were a lot of people around. that is all what the investigation -- what the investigators are going through as they try to figure out who

this individual was, what his motive was, which is a big unanswered question and as they try to figure out where the individual is. it's unclear -- this was described as an active shooter investigation all over new york city which perhaps now has expanded. we're past the time someone could easily escape through the subway system or beyond. expect to hear more from police in a couple hours. expect more answers then. >> you'll have to forgive me if i'm repeating what you said, i'm having issues with my ear piece. speaking to a source at the mta, they said what they are doing now to try to determine whether this person fled on foot, up the stairs and on the street or fled within the tunnels underground is going to the subsequent stations right now. they're looking at surveillance video on the r and n line to see

if they can get a glimpse of this person potentially fleeing through the subway system. there are a number of lines not running because of this as this investigation is ongoing. pete, one of the other things that i think is surprising in the time we're living in with all the social media video, all the surveillance video so readily available from individuals having their own doorbell cameras or surveillance cameras is we still don't have a picture of the suspect. >> reporter: yes, and our understanding is law enforcement doesn't have a picture either. it's not like they're holding something back. you can be sure they're going up and down the line to get video not only of the person fleeing but getting on the subway to start. what always happens in an investigation like this, you are talking about investigative steps to take it from the moment

of a shooting and go forward in time, how did the person leave the subway, but to go backwards in time, how did the person get onto the subway. this person is wearing very distinctive clothing, a green construction vest, a gray hoodie. he's 5'5", weighs 180 or 190 pounds and is carrying a bag. so that's going to stand out in any video. they want to know where did this person get onto the n train and take that point, okay, that's when the person got onto the train. can we go back from that? how did they get on? try to connect the dots back and back and back. they'll be looking for cameras before and after the shooting. >> yes, and one of the things they will look for is whether or not the person was seen on camera, whether he was seen at

this location before this morning, whether he was staking out this area, planning an attack in the days ahead. i heard chatter over looking into that in particular. joining me now on the phone is former nypd commissioner dermott shea. thank you very much for being here. i want to show an image on the screen of a law enforcement officer, i believe atf, climbing on a ladder one of the light poles where there are surveillance cameras installed, hard lined for the area and they were taking the video out of the camera. it seems very analog to be -- thank you very much, sir. it's analog to be removing the video. what's going on with the surveillance in the subway system? >> well, you hate to surmise

what could be happening there, ordinarily in a perfect scenario you want the ability to retrieve that video remotely. if there was an issue, which has happened from time to time, that could be a reason why while it can't be removed via the internet you would have to physically go and download that if there's any video there. this is the type of case where no stone will be left unturned. you hope any of these cameras give probative evidence that will lead to the perpetrator sooner rather than later. >> a number of officers were added to the system and frankly just across this city about 1,000 officers, i believe. what can you tell me about the safety of the system right now which, frankly, is on the mind of many new yorkers as they think about getting back on the train to get home from work? >> i think the most important thing today is just the safety

of those individuals that were injured today. i think that's what's on all new yorkers' minds. certainly the nypd and partner agencies will be doing everything possible to keep new yorkers safe at a time like this including enhanced coverage not only in the transit system but critical infrastructure and things of the like throughout the city. i can tell you definitively there would be a full-court press on today, as i said earlier, in terms of, number one, identifying the people or person responsible and then trying to find out the motive which is just as important in a case like this. >> when you are looking for a man who you do not have a photo of and, as i understand it, we haven't seen a photo because as pete williams is reporting, it seems law enforcement doesn't have a photo of this person. we have a description but not a photo. how do you go about finding an

individual like that as so many hours have already passed in a city like new york? >> well, i can tell you that cameras and surveillance have certainly changed law enforcement over the last number of years, but i would take you back there was a time when those cameras didn't exist, too, and there are tried and true methods that investigators are deploying as we speak. speaking to people firsthand, witnesses, whether they heard something or hopefully saw something. and piecing together painstakingly information and tips that are coming through, not as many people have been speaking about the forensic angle to this but any solid case will be made with the forensics that are recovered on the scene. crime scene units processing any items left on that subway car or maybe dropped leaving the scene. hopefully dna, fingerprints, facial recognition, all technologies that have been

honed in recent years put into play in a case like this to try to identify and apprehend the person as quickly as possible. >> the good news pete williams reports he did leave behind it seems quite a bit of material at the scene. when you heard the description of what was happening, that the man donned a gas mask, opened a gas canister and opened it on the train as it was heading into the platform, the train filled with smoke and then he hoped fire, what struck you about the way in which that man operated? >> i think the first thing you think of is the premeditation, clearly this is somebody who put some thought into the incident today and you quickly turn to motivation and that is not as easy to discern where we are today but i think as we move forward and more is learned and hopefully sooner more than later the individual is identified and apprehended, then weep get to do

a deeper dive into everything we know about his history and what may have motivated this incident. i think it's too early to be going down that road as of yet, but clearly that's where this investigation is going to lead. >> former nypd commissioner dermot shea, thank you for joining us. >> thank you, katy. and still ahead, you can imagine the chaos and the confusion. you'll hear exactly what happened from an eyewitness on what they saw. needed to be her. ruby's a1c is down with rybelsus®. my a1c wasn't at goal, now i'm down with rybelsus®. mom's a1c is down with rybelsus®. (♪ ♪) in a clinical study, once-daily rybelsus® significantly lowered a1c better than a leading branded pill. rybelsus® isn't for people with type 1 diabetes. don't take rybelsus® if you or your family ever had medullary thyroid cancer,

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welcome back to sunset park here in brooklyn where we are following the attack on a subway station and a subway train during the morning rush hour. here is what an eyewitness saw. >> reporter: how did you find out what happened? how did you find out what

happened? >> i saw the three injured people coming out. >> reporter: how? >> i was on the train. >> reporter: what happened? >> i didn't see what happened much of the situation. i saw there were three people injured. i was coming off the train and saw a lot of smoke and smelled it. it was a really strong smell. it was different than the smell of fire. i saw maybe a 16-year-old kid coming out of the train station and had a bullet in his knee. >> reporter: what did you make of that? what were you thinking? >> i was speechless as i am now. it's a very scary sight to see. he looked scared. two more injured victims came out. >> reporter: what were they say? >> they were scared and in pain. >> reporter: are you in high school, too?

>> i was dropping off my brother. >> reporter: and you heard the school is on lockdown? >> yes. >> reporter: what are you thinking now? >> hopefully they're not aware of what's happening because that would be scary for a fourth grader to know. i've waited around since 8:30 to see if 24e let them out or if i have to pick them up. >> reporter: do you live in the neighborhood? >> i used to, yes. >> reporter: what do you make of this, the people injured? >> i'm thankful to have gone out of the neighborhood, that i don't live around here anymore. it's getting worse every day and it's not getting better with the new laws passing. >> reporter: thank you so much. >> no problem. >> our thanks to wnbc for that interview. so, clint, this happened on a subway station here in sunset

park, brooklyn, not a heavily frequented part of the city unless you happen to live here. this is not times square or a place where tourists normally go. it happened on a manhattan-bound train. i think a lot of people when they think of getting on the train they worry about the bigger stations, times square, battery park, those areas that would feel like targets. what does it say to you this happened 25 minutes outside of manhattan in a mostly residential neighborhood? >> yeah, katy, what's fascinating from this entire investigation so far you learn more details. you really learn kind of what it isn't. essentially this isn't -- doesn't seem to be, at least on the surface, a terrorism motivated, politically, soes logically, something ideologically around religion. usually they go after

spectacular targets, what woe used to think of in terms of midtown manhattan, like you said. separately it also just points to there was premeditation around this which is unusual but usually if it's tied to a cause we would know that by now. there might have been some sort of confirmation by a group. there could be a manifesto or the perpetrator taking credit for in some way. we have not heard or don't know of that yet. there was some sort of planning that went into this, and i think that's what pete williams is talking about in terms of the amount of materials brought in. there is a smoke canister apparently left behind. there's some other materials left behind. this essentially is planned up to a certain point but maybe not planned after the incident occurred. and then in terms of the victims, we don't know enough about who was wounded on that subway platform. but from the video that's available and from what we know of the shooting, the incident, where people were targeted, the shooter set up a situation where they committed violence but didn't seem to be pointing or

aiming at anyone particularly, targeted against a person. so there's a lot of questions that still remain but it doesn't fit up with any m.o. that is specific to either a crime or in terms of a terrorist motive. as we move forward it will come down to why did this person perpetrate violence? did they do it for the sake of perpetrating violence and why this line? if i had to think about it, it would seem like this might be something the perpetrator knew, the subway line that they knew and the time and place there would be a lot of people on the car. >> it wasn't just a lone crazy person. video posted on social media of not just the people on the subway station platform who are wounded but the smoke within that train is certainly going to rattle a lot of new yorkers. it already has rattled a lot of new yorkers when they think about going back to work. when you are trying to prevent

something like this, how hard is it to figure out a way to try and stop this from happening if you're working in law enforcement today? >> the big challenge since 9/11, how do you protect freedom by maintaining people's freedom? how do you let people personally keep their lives going and not live in fear but at the same point implement enough surveillance or security, technical controls that you can both detect something like this and respond to it? we always want to be preemptive. in this case it's just really hard to get our hands around it. if we've seen anything over the last four to five years it's what's known as this casting nature of attacks which we know there will probably be an attack occur but who the perpetrator is, where they will rise from, what will be the indicators of warnings we need to watch for that we can distinguish in other events is very difficult to do and this comes at a time there's been significantly more crime

around new york city and in the transportation system. in recent months lots of discussion around that so how would you parse this out in terms of the attack, it has pitts and pieces, how would they do that better? i'm sure a lot of questions about the technical surveillance. the cameras just before i came on air, why is it that this camera wasn't working when we've seen how well nypd does and other law enforcement does with the cameras around the state and particularly the city. >> i will say when it comes to the older surveillance cameras, the older infrastructure, and covering the city, there have been complaints for years about what works and doesn't work, focusing -- a lot of focus put on the more populated areas or the more touristy areas, high-profile areas like times square and not maintained as well in some of the less

trafficked areas or the areas that don't get as much attention, questions about that, which i'm sure will be ongoing as well. clint, thank you very much. coming up next i will speak with former commissioner bill bratton about today's shooting in brooklyn. the manhunt and rise in crime here in new york. n new york life can be a lot to handle. ♪ this magic moment ♪ but heinz knows there's plenty of magic in all that chaos. ♪ so different and so new ♪ ♪ was like any other... ♪ [yawn] bro trip! if you book with priceline, you'll save more, so you can “broooo” more. [impressed] broooooo. broooo!!!! broooo!!!! broooo!!!! [in unison] brooooooooo!!!! [splash] [disappointed] broooo... good thing you saved on the trip! priceline. every trip is a big deal. [singing] oven roasted cooold cuts

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and welcome back to sunset park, brooklyn, where i am at the scene of a shooting on a subway car. it happened one block away from where i'm standing right now. it happened at 8:26 this morning on a manhattan-bound n train. a man wearing a gas mask set off some kind of a device that filled the subway car with smoke. he then opened fire on the passengers of that train shooting ten people according to the fdny. 16 people are injured, five of them in critical but stable condition. police are still looking for the suspect described as a 5'5" black man weighing about 180 pounds. he was reportedly wearing a green construction vest. that's what officials say, over a gray hooded sweatshirt at the time of the shooting.

joining me now is nbc news correspondent vaughn hillyard. you've been monitoring a lot of the social media that's come out, and that's something law enforcement will be looking at as well to try to get a picture of this suspect. walk us through what you've been seeing. >> reporter: yeah, and the difficulty with so many of these videos is what they capture or do not capture and at this point there is no video. there is no photo evidence that we have seen, that we're told by officials was wearing a gray vest, gray hoodie. 180 pounds. a black male here who per our own pete williams reporting says not only left his backpack, the smoke canisters but the 9 millimeter glock that he says was jammed. the way in which the transit

system connects our bureaus from brooklyn to manhattan. this train was heading northbound at 8:30 a.m., only two stops away from lower manhattan. it tracks 1.7 million people every single day and you're looking at rush hour traffic here in just the next couple of hours at a time in which the gunman is still on the loose and it's that balance that we speak of especially here in new york city. of course there's heightened attention on any crime particularly gun-related violence. we're looking at 300 shooting incidents alone just here in 2022 alone, but it's even more heightened and more concerning when this individual, an individual who clearly lacks any reasonability is still out there. what were his intentions? he did not shoot and kill anybody yet he shot at least ten individuals, several of them in critical condition here. authorities do not believe any of them are life threatening at

the time, but it's important to note in the hours ahead as the sun begins to go down and people leave not only the schools, which are locked down in the area you're around, but also leaving their work places and heading home in this particular neighborhood, that this gunman who clearly was willing to shoot people en masse is still on the loose. >> that is such a good point. he is still out on the loose, and there are people all across the city thinking about, hey, i have to get back on the subway to get home. is it safe to get back on the subway right now with this man still on the loose. thank you so much. joining me is former commissioner bill bratton, executive chairman of taneo risk. i want to talk about crime. gun violence here in the city is on the rise. crime is on the rise partially due to the pandemic. it was one of the reasons why mayor eric adams was elected. he ran on a platform of getting

things under control. how do you prevent something like this especially since the mta or the nypd already added 1,000 officers to the transit system? >> katy, as you are familiar with the system in new york, it's huge, 450-some-odd stations, 6,000 train cars, 500 trains running at any given time, 700 entrance points. so even a department as large as the nypd with 38,000 officers, you can't have cops everywhere all the time. impossible. i'm familiar with the chief of the transit police in the early 1990s when we turned around crime in this sort of problem. the challenge going forward is not only the rising amount of actual crime but the phenomenal growth and fear of crime in new york city and increasingly in the subway. this particular incident will compound that dramatically. >> can we talk about the reliability of the surveillance

system in new york city? i know there's a lot of attention paid to, and i'll ask you on times square, on the more highly trafficked areas of the city, the more touristy areas of the city. what about the outer boroughs, subway stations like the one i'm at in sunset park, which is largely, you know, a residential neighborhood of brooklyn. there are businesses here, some industry here, but mostly it's commuters. what about the surveillance down here? is it as much of a priority? i ask you this because i saw a guy standing on a ladder taking video out of a locked down surveillance camera, and it's surprising that wouldn't be accessed remotely. >> there's a number of technologies that are available and increasingly available to police in terms of surveillance systems, the new 5g technology

is going to revolutionize the ability to transmit video information, data, for example. right now we're still working with 20th century technology and a lot of what's on the subway system is that older technology. i don't profess to have an intimacy with a particular station currently. when i was police commissioner in 2014, interestingly enough, i proposed buying hundreds if not thousands of new transit cars. when i proposed to them and they seemed to accept the idea of putting video cameras on every subway car which would have assisted in this instance and with the 5g technology would be able to monitor in real time what was going on in those subway cars. i don't know, however, if in a cost-cutting effort they went forward with the thousands of new cars coming online if they basically required cameras.

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welcome back to the sunset park section of brooklyn, about a 25-minute ride on the subway into manhattan. and this is the location on a subway platform here in the city. the shooting suspect is still at-large. they are looking for one man in a city of 9 million people. joining me now is analyst who served as assistant director for counterintelligence at the fbi. also mark claxton, retired nypd detective and director of the black law enforcement alliance. frank, we just set it up there. one man in a city of 9 million people and as i understand it

unless things have changed in the last few minutes, officials in law enforcement still do not have a photo of the suspect. pete williams reported a moment ago it appears the suspect left quite a bit of material on the subway platform and in the subway car that law enforcement have their hands on. >> it will come down to technology. i mean everything from surveillance footage everywhere but that car, that platform up and down the line as you've been talking about in the greater borough where he's headed or come from. and now this plethora of riches in terms of evidence collection. when you take on and off a gas mask, you are necessarily taking hair, you are taking dna, your perspiration, your fingerprints,

and he's left that at the scene and then, of course, the gun, a glock 9 millimeter semiautomatic pistol, we're told, again, likely to have latent fingerprints, latent prints likely on the magazine, even i've seen criminals who are very careful wearing gloves when they handle a gun but they forgot to do that when they load the magazine, so there's prints, could even be latent dna on that and the gas canisters reportedly left at the scene. rich with detail. he's going to be in the system and there will be a much. the city, the authorities should be coming out saying we need your help, people of new york. this person will have talked about hurting people probably for months, maybe weeks, maybe

months. taking steps to acquire the gas canisters and gas mask. he's going to be aggrieved, he's going to be angry, and then silent for the last week or two as he got very close to his flash point. if that describes someone you know, please call the police. that's the kind of public appeal that will cause the light bulb to go on and say i know who that is. >> so, pete williams, to give a little bit more information, add to what you were saying, upon leaving the train the suspect left his 9 millimeter glock which jammed up. he also left his gas mask and more than one smoke canister and a bag that he had onboard. when they are doing that fingerprinting if the person is in the system and it's hard to imagine they wouldn't be

considering how many are within the system, how quickly are police able to find a match? >> there's an expedited investigative process that occurs in cases such as this, so there will be quick reference -- [ inaudible ]. there appears to be based on the information coming out significant opportunities forensically to at least assist in identifying who this individual is, but let's be clear about something, when you're in this stage of a manhunt, it's good old-fashioned boots on the ground canvasses, one-on-one interviews, intelligence information. the city has made an appeal. the nypd has made an appeal for information whether it be telephone, video, photographs,

or some other way to share that. along with the technology and those types of things there's going to be a lot of traditional boots on the ground manhunt work at this point until the information or evidence leads them otherwise. >> if you don't mind, mark, the very top of your answer the last few seconds you were hard to hear. how quickly are they able to make a match? >> there will be -- [ inaudible ]. access to databases will be expedited and there will be information available to the investigators immediately and that includes the fingerprint databases and the dna databases that are available. >> and just an update from nyu hospital here in new york, a

total of 21 victims were at that hospital. out of those 21, 10 have been discharged. 11 remaining. all of them are stable. we were told earlier that ten victims suffered gunshot wounds and five of them were in critical but stable condition. gentlemen, thank you very much. and coming up next i will speak with former new york city mayor bill de blasio. particular about keeping a healthy body. what goes on it... usually. ♪♪ in it... mostly. even what gets near your body. please please please take that outside. here to meet those high standards is the walgreens health and wellness brand. over 2000 products. rigorously tested. walgreens pharmacist recommended... and particularly kind to your wallet. ♪♪ maybe it's another refill at your favorite diner... or waiting for the 7:12 bus...

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key chant sue well se well t suel l l . it just goes to show how this impacts everybody in this city of new york and the after-effects of it is wide ranging. you know, that people have to if to work after this, people have to come home after this. people who are calling family members to see if they're all right. this is a national crisis and the nation follows new york. so we have an opportunity to get this right and so far we're not.

>> reporter: that was a part of an interview i did a short time ago with a new york advocate. joining me as the former mayor of new york city, bill de blasio. mr. mayor, thank you very much for joining us. another part of the conversation i had with jumani williams was about funding and the reaction to this event. he was worried the reaction of this event was going to be made a renewed focus on law department to the subway systemp his argument is this was more fundamental that more funding needs to go to preventing gun violence. obviously, we don't know about the motive here. we're talking in their ret cals at the moment. albany is not taking the root problem as seriously as it should and not allocating the funding toward getting guns off the streets in the first place, rather than the reactionary

measures that happen after an event like this. i wonder what your take is. >> okay. first of all, we in new york city, we have been through this before. 2017, the pipe bomb attack in the subway, time's square. 2016 in the chelsea neighborhood, a horrible attack with pressure cooker bomb. we have been down this road and the first thing to recognize is that you have some individuals who will attempt to do something like this. the nypd has done an extraordinary job of finding suspects quickly. that's what will happen here as well. they will find this individual quickly. new yorkers always participate with the information to find any piece of this puzzle helping them do their job right now. that's what's happened in the past. the biggest point you are raising, there is no question, mayor adams has talked about this very powerfully, the down stream problems, the root

causes, we got to do a lot more on them and community of based solutions to violence interrupters. the investments we made if them paid off very intensely him but right now, i this i the focus should be on the fact that we have 35 police officers that are exceptional at stopping these kind of incidents, or when they happen, find the perpetrator quickly. help people be at ease, new yorkers are tough. they are resilient. they are not intimidated be think kind of thing. but the obvious thing we need now is find that suspect and get the puzzle pieces together to assure people. >> we have seven minutes in the show. i am wondering, how can the city address mental illness? we already had a number of incidents in connection with people who are mentally ill? i'm not saying this is one of those scenarios, but it very

well could be. >> it very well could be, katie, i this i the answer is the fact that our country doesn't respect mental illness on parody with physical illness, that's a bigger challenge we have to work on. i would say if new york city, we have made mental healthcare available at the local level much more extensively. we got to do a lot more. we have to find people before it ever gets to this.. and it can be done. the pandemic has opened our eyes to how pervasive the challenge of mental health is. the answer is services at the very local level, where parents are family members. they see someone start to get out of control. they immediately need help. in new york city, that means calling 888-new york city. the morocco we check people early, the better chance at avoiding these horrible kind of incidents. >> former new york city mayor bill de blasio. thank you for being with us for this hour here in is up set park, brooklyn, as we cover a

very scary situation. ultimately, a very lucky situation. because nobody was suffering, nobody has suffered life-threatening injuries. so even though it is terrible. officials remark it is pretty remarkable that everybody will come out surviving from this incident. we will continue following that news coverage right after the break. stick with us. e right after the break. stick with us.

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