hi there, everyone. it's 4:00 in new york. breaking news on multiple front. nearly a billion dollars in military aid heading to ukraine amid fears of a new offensive and evidence of russian war crimes leading an international prosecutor to say ukraine is a crime scene. on another front the january 6 select committee is reportedly interviewing pat cipollone who was one of the few people in the trump white house that pushed back against the efforts to overturn the 2020 election

defeat. just the last couple of hours, nypd arrested the suspect in which ten people were shot? new york city governor adams saying we got him. the video from the partners at wnbc shows the moment the suspect entered the subway on tuesday morning before the attack. let's bring in msnbc senior international correspondent in brooklyn, new york. this is an unbelievable story and a quick arrest of the suspect today. >> reporter: yeah. it is put there was nowhere left for him to run. a lot of what made the police go from calling him a person of interest was found in the subway beneath my feet including the

glock. he bought it in ohio in 2011. when you look at the charging documents today there' a picture. you can see the serial numbers and looks like he was trying to obliterate them and not skefrlly and had hundreds of police officers going across cameras across the city and video that was sent to them by folks on the subway. in the end for all that evidence and will be critical for the federal case to end in him going to prison for the rest of his life it was a simple phone call to a tip line. someone thought they saw him in an mcdonald's on the lower east side. then police arrested him in that neighborhood on st. mark's place. here's what the mayor said.

>> this is new yorkers. we are going to protect the people about this city and apprehend those who believe they can bring terror. 33 shots and less than 30 hours later we are able to say we got him. >> reporter: the arrest hardly ends this investigation going over multiple states and again we heard today that he had been arrested nine times in new york alone, several times in new jersey. mostly misdemeanors and multiple states where investigators continue to look and there are still people in the hospital. who will continue to deal with the affects of this shooting at this subway station and the chilling fact that came out today and much was made of the

mta worker saying get on the train across the platform and able to pull away to safety but investigators now believe that the suspect was on that train, as well. i had an opportunity to talk to some of the people around here say they're relieved and surprised but continuing nervousness around new york. there were rising crime not just in the city but public transit and answers have to be made of what comes next. >> that is an interesting point to end on and the colleagues there, katy tur all day and that was some of the questions there for a city on edge. sort of on the heels trying to get back from covid, grappling with the idea of rising crime

and on the subway. what do folks say will remedy what is now a very real and rational fear of rising crime on this life blood of the city, the subway system? >> reporter: before the arrest was made i talked to a dozen people on the platform and almost to a person they had said they had a high level of nervousness and family members asked them not to go on the subway and a theme that emerged is people that mentioned the camera that didn't works, closest to the actual shooting. what is the mayor who ran on the idea of making new york city safer going to do. this is the first time outside of the subway platform i haven't seen a police presence. maybe makes sense, right?

some people said it made them feel better. others say they'll wait to see. do they have more manpower? so as many questions as answers for sure. a sigh of relief and ongoing nervousness here. >> it's true. chris janesing, thank you. >> now the developments in the war this ukraine. less than a day after joe biden accused vladimir putin of genocide against the ukrainian there's a new report in europe that lays out an extraordinary detail a litany of war crimes committed by russian forces in ukraine. but the group calls a quote catalog of immunity. russian forces struck 50 medical

facilities in the first month of the war. and that russian troops arrested and tortured civilians and journalists. an interpreter for a french radio station quote left in an icy cellar, repeatedly beaten with an iron bar and rifle butts, tortured with electricity and deprived and subjected to a mock execution and evidence that troops putt the red krosds symbol on the vehicles to quote facilitate the operations. and in mariupol, a site of some unsparing attacks on civilians the report strikes down russian disinformation and concludes that that strike on a maternity hospital last month was a russian attack and war crime. mariupol's mayor provided a chilling reminder how little we know about his city. the mayor saying the death toll

could top 20,000 and russian forces brought in mobile crematoriums to conceal evidence of the attacks on civilians. they set the sights on ending resistance in mariupol to take over wide swath of the ukraine's east. this is hundreds of russian military vehicles on a highway in eastern ukraine. a possibility of a new phase of the war leads to a fresh plea for more aid. >> russia didn't know how much we cherric the freedom. wechb defending ourself longer than they planned. we have destroy id more weapons and equipment than some armies in europe currently possess. but this is not enough. freedom must be armed better than tyranny.

western countries have everything to make it happen. the number of people saved depends on them. arm ukraine now to defend freedom. >> president zelenskyy also outlining a wish list of weapons from the west, that request just before news of a phone call between the presidentings in which the u.s. unveiled $800 million in military aid and a package to bolster ukraine for a next phase in the eastern donbas region. quote, we want russia to lose with the war effort stalled russian president vladimir putin suffered a set back today. this time on the longstanding goal to disrupt the nato alliance. sweden and finland said they consider to end neutrality and joining nato.

it's a move that would double nato's border with russia. joining us is correspondent ali arouzi. i want to ask you about the message from president zelenskyy. it was done in english. he sends messages, tries to get messages in russia by speaking russian. there's news of major -- i don't know upgrade but more and better weapons coming his way and a focus not just of the diplomacy but the public relations push today. >> reporter: that was right. the worse the russian war crimes i think you see more and more help from western nations. giving them more of the stuff they have been asking for and not getting the real hardware they want. i spoke to a mayor of a terrible

attack on the railway station saying we need to fight in the air. he goes, we are confident the ground troops push them back but when the airplanes are hitting us from the air it is very difficult to fight this war. zelenskyy knows how to talk to the audiences, i think those messages that he keeps putting across that are making the'res prick up in the west to say we have to defend these guys and zelenskyy saying not just fighting for freedom here in kraup but for the rest of europe that putin will not stop here. if he sails through ukraine he will be on the doorstep next so help us to help you. >> ali, the reports cataloged in this war crimes human rights abuses report are too -- if i

could i would read them all. they're heinous. i wonder if you can talk about the delta between what we know and unknowable in mariupol where it's not safe for you to be. how much is there still in your view to learn? >> reporter: a lot. mariupol is totally hemmed off by russian troops. 20,000 people killed there. it talks about one section of the report which is just horrifying talks about a woman being raped by a drunken russian soldier in front of the young child and then killed the husband. this is the stuff we are learning about. today i had the opportunity to speak to a 21-year-old girl who

escaped the donetsk area. she was terrified and a reason she escaped that region was to get away from this potential terror that's coming their way. take a listen to her interview and i can tell you more about her on the other side. this is the second time your hometown is attacked in not a long period of time in your lifetime. how does that make you feel? what do you have to say to the russians about that? >> can i curse? >> reporter: better not. >> i just -- i still don't understand why all of ukrainians have to face this. i don't know why -- why do they think that they have this right to ruin everybody's life. i think about it often. people my age who are forced to

leave the hometowns and ukraine. a lot of people, like, emigrate from ukraine. i don't understand why, why we have to go through that. >> reporter: and her journey was really sad to hear about. she went to the railway station. that's how she got out to accommodate here to lviv. i said do you feel lucky? she said it is bittersweet. i got on the train and got out two days before this train station was bombed but a friend was there that day. that train station there and killed. she managed to rent an apartment with her parents epa sleeping in a cold basement at a shelter full of people from mariupol. amongst them 7-year-old children. little girls living in a dashlg, cold shelter saying they're the

lucky ones getting out of mariupol. it is everybody you speak to touched by the war and deeply affected. we have a producer 21. i asked where are the parents? father in the mid-50s. fighting on the front lines. her brother in the territorial army and mother is helping with humanitarian aid in the east and said this with a smile on the face. they thank us for getting the news out and makes you feel small. >> you being there is such a contribution. i hope you never feel small and know how grateful we are for the news and stories. thank you so much. please stay safe. joining the coverage is jack crosbie. why justice can be incredibly

hard to come by. here with us at the table once again john heilman of "the circus." both msnbc contributors. john heilemann, for joe biden to cross the rubicon and call it a genocide is a big deal and happened at the same time of news of bigger and better weapons to ukraines. it seems that we are also entering a new phase of the war. >> i think we have. it's like a moment there for a week or so clear a sense that possibly maybe russia would back off and retreat and now a moment of seems like devastating violence in the east as a context of a response to it and given that response on the military side is required by what seems to be looming in the

future you then set that against the mounting evidence not gist of war crimes but zelenskyy saying that genocide was there. i'm not sure the evidence may well have existed regardless of the military side and seems like the two kind of sitting side by side forced a linkage in that area. the argument for not increasing in some substantial way your degree of commitment to the cause and to arms and assistance and more would be hard to do that for biden and may have wanted to hold that off for longer. we'll do that no matter what. >> i don't want to link these things. the other thing happening at the same time, jack, the goal is now

very publicly stated for ukraine to win and russia to lose. i heard this from bill taylor last week that the only way is through and the only way through is victory. having been there, what does that look like in your view? >> i mean, i'm always skeptical to declare any victor. i think what happens is there's people in ukraine and russia who have lost enormous amounts in this war so what is victory look like for the ukrainians? it could sake the cessation of immediate hostilities in the borders, the redrawing of new borders. that is something that the

ukrainians kind of fundamentally are against and might be what it takes to at least bring some kind of halt to the violence. i think we can conclusively say that russia is not able to accomplish the military objectives it set out in accomplishing and now winners and losers is really only determined by who survives and doesn't. >> the reality and perception is distorted, jack. putin suffered military set back after military set back on the battlefield. beyond dispute. the troops carry out war crimes that joe biden described and zelenskyy described as a genocide and inside russia support for everything going on.

did disinformation seems to have held. how does that complicate things for president zelenskyy? >> i think for president zelenskyy he's sort of always operated under the assumption that there wasn't going to be any kind of sort of domestic upheaval. this is something that i have heard ukrainians speak with a tremendous amount of us fromation and a real sense in that country like when they had bad leaders they didn't like they overthrew them and a frustration and an anger at the russian people for not being able to do that to vladimir putin. the situations and the circumstances in these countries are different. these aren't exactly one to one comparisons. the hold that vladimir putin has over power in domestically rushl is different than leaders in

many other countries that have been in similar situations. i don't necessarily think the russian people should be blamed for that but i think i don't see an end to this war where putin is out of power. i think he is doing everything he can inside the country through propaganda and pushing back against did narrative and evidence coming from journalists and investigators that he can simply to retain power. >> jack has a great piece about how difficult it is to hold someone like vladimir putin accountedible for war crimes playing to the eye. absolutely infur yating on a personal level that simon, a special correspondent for pbs news hour, saying quote it is not easy to do what we did and did looking at the dead bodies.

people who suffered incredibly before they died and gaslighting the people and the world and laying at the feet of the victims. we save that for the high jinx of one of the two parties in this country and everything that happened led joe biden to do what he did to say that it's a genocide. it is the elimination of a people. >> look. there's lots of debates of joe biden and at times spoken about in this conflict, many people upset about things he said. we talked about this with the speech in poland and suggested that putin had to go and the reality that whether it was george w. bush looking at putin seeing his soul or barack obama or donald trump.

there's not been an american president that spoke with moral clarity about what was going on and a refusal to call a spade a spade and say what was going on and people who are familiar with the region and previous russian conflict said there's multiple cases. war crimes, clearly. syria or other places. to have joe biden, he's decided that in this case there may be upsides to foreign policy establishment doesn't like it but i think he is -- recognize there's a huge cost for not having that moral clarity in the past and may be a cost to the clarity but the cost paid is

clear now. vladimir putin thought he could get away with it. i think it -- to come back to your question about victory. the other thing is in addition to once you declare a genocide you need to be more all in on aid and military and providing arm and so on and makes the question of victory, the notion that we would leave -- leave an offramp for putin. have some land. he'll get neutrality from krahn. those things are much more difficult to tolerate in the international community, for anybody to let vladimir putin have a negotiated out now once the world and in this case zelenskyy and the leader of the western alliance declared genocide. it is possible but the difficulty degree to not seek just driving meaning the ukrainians to drive russia out

of ukraine and something of a cost for ukrainians that died and society but that victory at least on the battleground is clear now. >> i think it will continue to come into focus how that declaration changed things. jack, always grateful. thank you so much. heilemann sticks around. a top trump white house lawyer may be speaking with the january 6 select committee today. same counsel that reportedly believed it was possible that trump would be brought up on charges and voter fraud is very, very real. ask chief of staff mark meadows. new reporting on a story about two imposters posing as federal security agents, one that could have huge, huge national security implications.

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lack of subpoena suggest they signaled they were willing to share with the committee voluntarily. philbin's memos we know among a traumpbl of records to the 1/6 panel last fall and both lawyers we know key figures in the should we call purk pushback campaign against the big lie and the pitch to replace the attorney general with someone more eager to go along with it. meanwhile there's new audio obtained by "the new york times" that could already be a significant piece of evidence about the pressure campaign placed upon lawmakers, the audio we are about to play obtained by "the new york times" is of the voice of jason sullivan, a one-time aide to roger stone saying they had to make lawmakers understand that they may not be able to walk in the streets any longer if they do

the wrong thing. here's part of the audio. >> the capitol hill, the people in that building need to feel the pressure. descend on the capitol without question. make those people feel it inside. so they understand that people are breathing down their necks and we've had it. >> joining us now former senator claire mccaskill. dan goldman and john heilemann is still here. claire, it reminded me of the michael cohen testimony. he was on capitol hill testifying to how trump operated like a mob boss you knew what

was expected. what trump expected them to do is breathe down the neck and make it so they can't walk the streets afterward if they didn't do the right thing? wow. >> i think the sullivan audio is saying a little -- puttinging more meat on the bones for trump's tweet of it is going to be wild. anybody who tries to tell you that they were not planning exactly what happened is not looking at the reality of what happened in the days previous and that day. i think this audio is very important in this investigation and i would be surprised if it didn't bring about subpoena to the person who was saying elected officials would no longer be able to walk the streets if they didn't overturn an election fraudulently.

>> i want to always as i do with you pursue both pillars here. what doj does and the committee. but liz cheney is on the record reading from the statute. this seems like a clear accomplice this that endeavor. >> and how massive and widespread this invest is. those that want a quick indictment it won't happen because i never heard of jason sullivan or this call and now radio and then the questions for him and i agree with claire. probably a subpoena by the january 6 committee and maybe doj at this point widening the scope of the investigation. who were you getting the information from? who was organizing the

conference call? who was giving you the marching orders? you have to continue to chase it up the chain. he was an aide to roger stone. he was around washington, d.c. i would be surprised if he didn't have some role in january 6. he would be someone who could coordinate between the white nationalist groups and the white house or the campaign folks. so this just to me begs more questions but reflects that this was a consistent view of trump supporters to use january 6 to exert maximum pressure. >> something blunt and maybe dumb and rude to say so i'll save it for you, heilemann. the bigger a-ha is someone not

saying this. ali alexander said that we thought up the whole thing and roger stone's guys a pardoned thugs in the orbit saying make them feel it and so scared that they can't walk in the streets and gets to the point of evidence of violence is such a pattern echo that it is more dog catching the car. don't hurt anybody. protect -- this is more evidence of the plan to be violent and to overturn the results of the most secure, free and fair election in history. >> we have surprises in the news and this is a dog bites man story. i'm for anybody who's a dog

trying to bite a man trying to overthrow an election and subpoenaing them and i will say to both, these both lawyers, i thought, yes, you can believe it is important and super fluous. claire said if you see this, this doesn't convince you -- i was convinced a long time ago. the evidence is clear. there's no heroes here. there's no men biting dogs here. no trump person saying something in the opposite. this is all a chorus to switch the metaphors, an ugly song all from the same songbook and to

show how chorus it is more powerful. >> the bar is so low and an outlier that the white house counselal the time of the insurrection thought -- this is from the great book. on page 488. afternoon of january 6 starting to dawn on the white house counsel that trump could be charged with a crime for setting off the deadly riot and ifs if that's likely. one thing is sprawling investigations. >> yeah. i had personal experience with cipollone and philbin. they remained in their positions through the rest of the year but as dogged to defend donald trump on ukraine it seems as if they

started to veer away like bill barr when we got to post election hysteria. >> to the coup? >> yeah. >> i hear you but we were extorting the leader of the ally at war in the donbas but pull up before the coup? >> yes. i don't defend them but i think that's what ultimately happened. and it just to me underscores the urgency of the coup. i'm a broken record on this but starting to see this -- all the stuff, even the staunchest defenders of donald trump, bill barr, pat cipollone who had been there with him through all of this, they backed away from the coup and it's gist not something

that we can accept and that there can be no accountability for. to your point about just the evidence, yes, it is consistent and repetitive of the same narrative but building a criminal case you need all of this testimony. you need this evidence and want to know how big was the conspiracy. >> we don't disagree. you are a lawyer building a case. i watch the pattern as a journalist. the case is settled from a lawyer's point of view. you build the strongest case you can. i'm sure if you take all the lawyer's hat you would say i've read and seen enough. i know what happened here. >> you know donald trump's role but not sullivans and others

involved and should be charged because they helped it and we need to eliminate all of those people from doing this again. >> i find it funny that the lawyers, the way they write this and i'm sure accurate just began to dawn on them on january 6. they had seen the month beforehand. hey, the boss might be trying to subvert an election here and might be charged with a criminal. incredible. >> maybe we should have done something yesterday. we'll pull you back in, claire. everyone sticks around. and getting to this. details on a phone call between donald trump and mitch mcconnell in the days after the election on the ex-president's pursuit of overturning his loss. we'll talk about that next.

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because your body is capable of amazing things. own your strength, and see how far it takes you. tonal. be your strongest. i had been giving koli kibble. it never looked like real food. with the farmer's dog you can see the pieces of turkey. it smells like actual food. as he's aged, he's still quite energetic and youthful. i really attribute that to diet. get started at longlivedogs.com we're back with the esteemed panel. claire, this is an excerpt from "this will not pass," a new book. it is out may 3rd. trump believed he knew why conservative voters lacked enthusiasm for perdue and loefler and explained as much to mitch mcconnell.

brian kemp of georgia defended the election as safe and skush. vote everies would not stand for this. mitch, he said, these guys are going to lose if they don't get kemp to change the position on the election. trump did a lot to make them lose by muddling the message of getting them out to vote but this tortured relationship with mitch mcconnell has an ominous echo that he said he'll vote for trump if the nominee in 2024. >> mcconnell can't stand trump and doesn't want to vote for him in 2024. mcconnell i think has been very concerned about the coup attempt and everything that happened that day. now, i'm not here to tell you mitch mcconnell is a great guy and doing the right thing. he is trying to stay in power and he probably was so angry

because trump is the one that lost the senate elections. trump is the one that delivered the senate to the democratic party. and trump may in fact allow the democrats to hold on again with some of the endorsements he's made. mcconnell is not a fan. you have to say you won't vote for mitch mcconnell as a leader. >> only thing to vote for donald trump approving of the conduct and where you can touch women is thinking it' rehencible and supporting him. you made mitch mcconnell something more awful than someone who agrees with the authoritarian impulses of trumpism. >> that's the hardest part. so many colleagues i respected

and thought would stand up to the nonsense have taken a firm position and a fetal position under the desks and hoped he would go away and continues to wreak havoc. to this day he is trying to execute a coup. to this very moment. and he will continue to do that. and it's in my recollection first leader of the country that went out of the way to polarize the country. to divide us. that's what he wanted to do. so the only way this gets noited back together is for people of courage to stand up and say the emperor wears no clothes. >> why not give her backing and say anyone with information about the coup plot should talk to the committee? jim jordan or the plotters

themselves. why not be part of the effort by showing him for what he is? >> listen. i really in a little uncomfortable trying to explain the guys but i'll take this. >> it is like going undercover. >> yeah, yeah. >> you can tell. >> right. >> just like us. just support trump. >> i feel like the criminal defense lawyer that got the short straw here. here's what i will tell you. imagine for a moment that you're trying to run for office in a difficult state and the majority of your party thinks this guy is the best thing since sliced bread. the majority of mitch mcconnell's party thinks trump won the election, they think he was just fine as a president, like to see him as president again so he is trying not very

successfully to do the splits and try to quietly behind the scenes push a sense of normal standards for a republican party that believes in free and fair elections versus not losing the credibility with the caucus or an ability to ever get re-elected in a party worshipping a big liar. >> the strategic error is the belief that they can be -- vote everies can be -- leaders lead. liz cheney has an old fashioned republican view on the constitution. the fact that there's one -- cheney and adam kinzinger. that's it. >> i wonder how mitch mcconnell thinks how he balances. eager to see what the committee does and worries to elevate the findings to make the situation

harder for republicans racing and keep an eye on the ball which is all he cares about is being majority leader again. happily kill a family member. i'm kidding. not serious. anybody wants to jump on me, i don't think he is a murder, but i think he will go to great lengths. but you saw mcconnell say i guess we're going to see how powerful. he gets the candidate he wants and he takes a big chunk out of donald trump. >> and now ben goldman got squeezed out. more on the other side. squeezed out more on e thother side

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was registered to vote at an address that he never lived at. documentation indicated he lived in virginia and last voted in the 2021 election there which would make his legislation in north carolina against state law. we're back, i have been on this roll back and we ought start with was there fraud. when there was this was always on the part of trump voters, not just the trump voters but the x chief of staff. >> do you remember when it was thrown out because of voter fraud. it always seems to happen in north carolina. and here we go again. and it seems the reason hes removed from the voter rules is because he voted in virginia in

2021 and not 2020 and under state law once you arelying out of state and you vote out of state you're off of the voter laws. it is interesting that they that. they're looking at whether or not he committed voter fraud by voting from an decrease where he did not live. the hypocrisy is remarkable. one of the biggest champions for the big lie, the bogus voter fraud allegations that were never proven they still promised evidence about this a year and a half later. mark meadows was addiment about

and it is frustrating. so many people believe it. here is the guy touting it as much as anyone else and he committed voter fraud. >> it is unbelievable. moment? >> he registered at a double wide trailer he never stepped foot in. you can't register to vote in a place you have never stepped foot in. prosecute him. put him in jail. >> claire's position is clear. >> there is no ambiguity not mincing words. >> we needed you at the table today, claire. when we come back, we'll have egor norvikov after the break. .

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>> i asked her about how she felt about the russian atrocities. she basically replied someone puts a rival to my head, ail russia, he is will hail ukraine. if they say i'll hail russia, i'll hail russia. i just want to survive. >> it is 5:00 in new york. a simple, powerful, and painful thing to heard out loud, right? a ukrainian woman that just wanted to survive. it is a senseless war. the u.n. secretary general said

the global cease fire doesn't seem possible and the aim should be managing evacuations. 4.4 million people in ukraine are without running water. unimaginable horrors are being revealed in their wake. ukrainian prosecutors are investigating mass graves on tuesday they said they exhumed 49d bodies, many that were collected from the streets. today the international criminal court sweeted out a statement from a prosecutor that visited. they said ukraine is a crime

scene. we have to pierce the fog of war to get to the trust. pierce the fog of war and show the innocent civilians being killed. and those flattened by the war. places that our colleague gabe gutierrez saw about 45 miles outside of kyiv. >> this is what is left of a kindergarten. the second that we have visited in the past two days that have been oobliterated. this is a playground where hundreds of students attended. we have seen you crane rayan forces recovering ammunition that the russians left behind after they have retreated. the death toll continuing to rise in this area already at

several hundred. here he is doubling down on using the word genoside. >> yes, u called it genoside because it is clear that putin is trying to wipe out the idea of ukraine. and the evidence is mounting. it is different than it was last week. more evidence is coming out of literally the horrible thicks -- things that the russians have done. and we'll late the lawyers decide, but it sure seem that's way to me. >> our friend igor is back with us. he is a former advisor to president zelenskyy. igor, you call it'd a genocide in the earliest days, your

president described it that way as well. what is the impact of the american president describing it as a genocide? >> well, i absolutely agree with what he said. president zelenskyy is a human being, and it's important to use the rice terminology. you are a human being, you're seeing it, you're understanding what is going on. ukrainian people are being killed for one and only reason, they are ukrainians. that is genocide and i'm, you know, i'm glad to say in a you have a human being for a president as well. >> the question that i put to lip lowmatic and military experts is does this change the equation in terms of what we

give an ally fighting a genocide. they're all x advisors, but the chance is yes. and news today of a big, new, and it seems more advanced package for the country. tell me is it your view that you're getting the weapons you need? i know it is never fast enough, but is the delta between what you're asking for and what your getting shrinking. they said it is all about the speed of those deliveries. i think the message weapons, weapons, weapons has been buried and now is a question of how quickly we can get them in there. what is coming next is what some in ukraine call a battle. and putin is trying to out

number them five to one in certain areas. but we are still some days and weeks away from winning a war. >> your president is on tv today delivering a message in english with a very direct and simple message for western audiences, tell me, you know, it's my sense that the russian military failures are very well publicized. they're hard to miss. the ukrainian successes are for obviously reasons. but just give me your assessment on people in the frontlines. how is the military holding up? >> the military is doing great.

i think they proved that and i keep calling them my negotiator. so i have some news, if was the actual warship that was aptly named, and who told them they told that russianship to go away and that ship is on fire now after encountering two ukrainian missiles. >> that is happening right now? >> yeah. >> we're doing okay. >> tell me how the civilian population changed in terms of itself ability to withstand the world clearing at atrocities. >> well, look, i would describe what is being portraited by the

western media as snapshots of the worst. basically everyone knows what is going on from those separate pictures, but what people don't realize, that this unfortunate rabbit hole goes way deeper. there is a number of crimes that have not been publicized yet. and i was thinking that i can't name a single crime or war crime that has not been committed by the russian army. it is simply horrific. the latest cases of child rain -- rape that we're finding out about. just pure horrors of this war. so the civilian population has been there throughout this whole deal. my background is different, and let me kind of calm everyone down, everyone that thinks it is

because kyiv has been encircled, but it's safe. i will be out for a week's time. what is more important now is to focus on other areas of this war. so for example, ukrainian economy that is struggling. so i have a message for the western businesses, for example. you have probably the biggest brand in the world now, ukraine, why not partner up with ukrainian small and medium size business to make extra revenue. why don't fashion outlets partner up with ukrainian designers and sell ukrainian collections. the whole world is paying attention to ukraine that will help. we need our new live aide and in the hope that you might be that

circle that is help us. for any sprept noour, what is happening in ukraine is the biggest project because you to build everything from strafgs. anything goes. so the world has helped us with the weapons. while we're fighting the other battles of the world we need to think about what we're going to do next. if our economy collapses, our businesses go bankrupt, it was all for nothing. we will be starving. and that's why i'm on this trip. >> that is amazing nap is like the focus on the west was on sanctions for russian's economy.

both sides are being decimated. so you're case is almost for the anti-sanction on the other time. there has to be an opportunity for brands and professions. i hope someone is watching that can do something about it. how are your girls doing? >> they are doing well, but it is quite an experience. we drove through the region, and we saw wefrg our own eyes. he is speaking, but you know he

doesn't ask for complicated concepts. so she says you told me it was landmines. the reason is that but have been told there are land mines in the forests. my story is different because we stopped in the european country. i heard a passenger jet flyover. i spent 44 days in complete silence when the sound of a jet engine met there was a cruise missile or a fighter jet. so i ducked under a bench and that dawned on me how much damage we need to repair. even psychologically. i lost people and i'm considered

lucky. so that is important. a funny story because i can't let you go without one. the trending story today is everyone is talking about innovation communications. russian founder startups and my colleagues in the presidential office, you know, i have a russian -- igor, if i have to change my name would change to gary, and my last name changes to newman. and that was the first time last week when i felt lucky that i'm not russian, i would have to become a gary newman. >> somewhere, gary newman, if he is watching is so bummed by this

conversation. we'll have to introduce you two some day to make it up to him. you mentioned you have expertise. one thing that is very clear is some of the -- some of what seems to embolden vladamir putin is that within his own country the truth doesn't get through or they don't believe it. it is hard to relate to. they could see those horrors and not see them the way we do. we know in the last several weeks he squashed our position to be invaded politically and has alarming success quashing the stories about the war.

russia is carrying out in ukraine. part of them include spreading lies and disinformation to garner more sport. like the new fake video that shows thousand far the russian propaganda machine will go then, there is video with bbc style credits other it. there is no such video that exists, the text itself, riddled with style errors and awkward words apriors to come from pro-kremlin television channels. several news outlets started to spread the video on wednesday claiming western media and confirm the kremlin's version of events. during this part of our

conversation, now a distinguished fell row. so i was admonished by a former senior intelligence official, we don't know that for sure, it just appears to been the case but it is so sophisticated that it relies on how prevalent this is. >> if i rewound to 2015 and 2016 i could show you articles that would point to twitter accountants that would point to anonymous individuals supporting the russian position.

after 2014 we learned they rr they were making it look like an american was agreeing and recycling that into russian state media. what is ironic is that this is designed for russian audiences. they know they don't really believe russian information and they try to make a russian bbc so they could justify to their own population this happened. they know least half of the country does not believe everything pushed out. so what is remarkable is while we have these incremental advances, we did very well in the lead up to the war, the russian machine continues on

every day and well have successes in the english language and particularly with ukraine. in rush that it is a fire chose. but across the board if you don't hear a legitimate alternative you have nothing else to believe but what you seen. >> i know you talked about efforts on the part of they have tried to get the truth into the pockets where there is reacceptive audiences, how is that going? is it clubheady? >> it is harder because parts of the agenda is to dehuman nice

the forces. when the truth is revealed and it is past the point of no return. he wants to get to that status of, you know, feeling like a victim for russian people. that is what we -- he wants to victimize the population and that way churn them against the west. he is using the sanctions to say they would have done this regardless and the atrociies are committed by ukrainians with the health of the west. so basically it is no longer about fake news, and you know that fake bbc is just, you know, validating the claims. they have cone worse than that. we explored a couple cases like that, but there are two

different cases. for the chest he wants to weapon ides fact that we have the right to treatment of speech. but you know like north korea winning the soccer world cup. they would believe it because they have no access to any alternative information, they're living in a bublg, so the only way to counter it, effectively, would be to use whatever channels we have left, based on truss, so it has to be celebrities, musicians, brands, or whatever that will carry that information to them. people will think twice.

but they won't think twice between the bbc. >> it is such an important distinction. thank you for taking some time out to talk to us. lint watts, thank you for spending time with us as well. news questions with a story with major national security problems. they were able to do you mean two secret service agents. plus, the renaming of federal buildings is usually when of the last and easiest things that congress can agree on and get done after republicans pulled support from a measure to name a florida courthouse after a pioneering black judge. a move so baffling one house

republican could not even explain why he voted against it. later the headline says it all. the disgraced x president's endorsement of dr. oz. in a key senate race is making maga world insane. the white house continues after a quick break. don't go anywhere. a quick break. don't go anywhere.

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so whether or not they were for sure hostile agents or maybe just law enforcement want-to-bes

in other their heads, the fact remains that in the case of two men that are charged with impersonating officers for two years, hoodwinking four united states secret service agents there are serious security concerns that must be addressed. defense attorneys have insisted the later. they insists the lavish gifts were out of a desire for friendship, saying they got carried away and never noent compromise federal agents. so let's go with that for a second. our friends at the wag post say several former jet service officials warm the infiltration shows a major vulnerability.

they were agents that had access to the white house and the biden family and were trained to spot scammers. they were either too greedy or too gullible to question the cover story oush resident expert on all things secret service, and our former chief of homeland security and negligence. carol, you squeezed in a book about the secret service. tell me how this landed in the secret service. >> it is a tale of two cities. the allies in the law enforcement community and congress are privately saying hey, nothing to see here, keep driving, not a big deal. these four guys who got

hoodwinked or duped, they made a dumb mistake. but there is, in that view, no evidence of great secrets about biden's movements, the war we have going on right now, there is nothing that was leaked that we can see and more importantly the credit service leadership is presently arguing there is no nexus that we can concede to a foreign power. on the other side, part-time in the agency and who left the agency say this is a huge failure because the secret service individuals involved two agents and they were apparently not surprised that these people were giving them $40,000 in free

rent at a luxury apartment. didn't find it curious to offer them a free special gun. didn't find it weird that they worked for a homeland security police force that doesn't exist. the name should have stuck out to them. and a navel investigator, also approached by these two individuals. both of those people thought this was bizarre and these individuals were phoney from the get go. they either reported them or checked up on their tremendous -- credentials. >> carol, you were one of the only people that knows how much i hold what is ancient history for me, but my time traveling with president bush and the

protection that i benefitted from just by being in the bubble. and i have a deep and enduring well of respect for the secret service, but this stinks to high heaven. the people that are posed to make sure the president, his family, and the white house doesn't take nevermind a gun, free rent, but even a coke and a free dinner. and the people that are supposed to be the ones that someone in the presidential circle and say does dhs have a place for us? is the protector law enforcement in the liner -- inner layer of a president. >> i think this sfgs is

investigation is early and it is not for anyone to say nothing to see here if is possible, it doesn't seem rational, but they could be two want-to-be cops that had a bizarre way of borrowing money and they wanted to be big hot shots. it's conceivable. but as many former secret service agents told me in the last week, since this arrest made all of this public, what they told me is that it is weird the amount of money involved for two people so financially strapped, have a history of bankruptcies, lawsuits, and problems with money, it's weird they went to this effort for two years. they also warned me that lots of times larger operations by a foreign state deputizes

individuals that don't know what big game plan is. deputizes, leads, and steers folks that are not aware of the game plan. this has all of the hallmarks of a foreign intell op and we don't know if it is at this point and i think we should just hold our horses until the f.b.i. gets down to it. one more key moment is the secret service essentially accident accidentally blew this case up. an official alerted one of the suspects to the fact that there was an investigation so the fbi had to go in and get their warrants and do an emergency raid before they had time to gather everything they hoped to gather about this.

they lived this five for two years, and they were financed to do this. we don't know their motivations. it speaks to failures on the secret service side. if you're in the intelligence community, the protective community security, you're trained thousand spot those who are doing counter intelligence or intelligence operations on you and that is a training that many federal agents have. so to be honest with you, if i work for the secret service and my mom invited me over for a stack of pancakes, i might say hey, mom, what are you up to? i'm being funny here, but the fact of the matter is that there

is no free dwifts. individuals in that capacity are trained to keep an eye out for those types of signs. there could be video surveillance in the apartment putting them in a compromising position. that is how this endoctrine nation and recruitment begins. >> one of the details that have been parts of the arrest center around one of the agency proximity to first lady dr. jill biden. i remember reading reporting about the crisis that ensued when someone jumped a fence and almost came in.

how do we justify the reaction from a fence jumper to someone that infiltrated by a foreign intelligence operation that had a reaction. what is your sense to the reaction and if it is appropriate. >> it doesn't seem appropriate to me, they should be transparent and say they are going to look at the training. if it was one agent or member i think it could be plausible. i think it speaks to their training, the oversight, and more needs to come out. we don't know the motivation of those two individuals, but we flow is a lapse in the security posture of the secret service and that needs to be looked at. >> thank you both so much. we'll stay on this with your help. when we come back, one member of congress says he doesn't know why he did it.

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a question lingering on capitol hill today, why did republican members of congress tank a vote to name a florida courthouse after that state's first black supreme court

justice? some of it's republican cosponsors can't say why they voted against it. i don't know, when asked about his vote. it is passed by broad bipartisan support until andrew collide of georgia. some members of congress claimed this is why they voted no, but other supporters said they were confused about what was happening on the house floor. it explains a lot, doesn't it? joining us now is the chair of african-american studies at princeton university.

also david jolly is here. i'm not being can glib, it explained a lot. they don't know what they're doing, why, or ever. and i guess the answer is always a direct line. >> yeah,ly keep it brief because i want to hear what eddy has to say, these are typically ceremonial votes. in this case it was the first supreme court justice of color. and so you do, you know, you see republicans continue to do stupid things like this, and you wonder is it instengsal or just true acts of ignorance. it is following the week after.

>> you know, it renders all of their rhetoric about cancel culture so stupid. they don't even no why they canceled something they were for 48 hours ago. >> that might be the generous read in the sense that they know why they voted against it once they found out that representative cly said he rendered a decision against school prayer this is part of the culture war. this is a way of kowtowing to their base. but i think for me to describe it as part of the culture wars, it is a rank refusal to accept a diverse america.

we need to talk about who he is. he is the guy like you said that thought january 6th was a tour, voted against the congressional medal of honor. they aappealing to the base instingss of the american voter. >> and i guess, you nailed the most u plausible truth, but i think what we have to sort of complete the other half of the thought, kevin mccarthy permits this, they're not a body without a leader, so he turns other authority to the andrew clydes of the world. >> and why but was was a staff member and the great frustration that i have is that this is not

that hard. there was a vote to honor the for justice of color with the naming of a building. if you go through the opinion of every justice for a ceremonial naming that has never happened before in the house. what does it look like? you give into the right wing nut job from georgia and you're saying republicans in the house, we don't care about honoring the first black supreme court justice. this is not that hard to governor, but kevin mccarthy keeps proving that for republican it's is. >> and i guess eddie, you might come in another way. it is so hard, it is the most difficult thing in the world for them to see america as it is. and so what is easier is to erase this, right? >> exactly. exactly. there is a sense among a certain

amount of republicans that seem to have oversized influence in this republican party that this country must remain a white nation and that means the name of buildings and courthouses and it is a refusal to accept the diversity of america. we need to understand what it is and who these people are for what they are. >> when we come back, trump world is losing their collective mind over the disgraced expresident's latest endorsement for the u.s. senate. we'll tell you that story, next. . we'll tell you that story, next.

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rolling stone in the running for headline of the year put it like this. fraud endorses quack. it refers to donald trump's recent endorsement of dr. oz. the cartoonish nature of the endorsement aside, trump has actually been criticized by a number of subservient republicans and it is that backlash raising the question is trump losing a step and his grip on the gop. from "the daily beast" column, quote, as people on the right begin to normalize criticizing trump, albeit couch and rhetoric blaming others, another possibility opens up. moving on from trump. it is acceptable among republican voters the same

willing to vote against trump's endorsed candidates even as they praise him and trump is a hero and future republicans will stand on his shoulders. we're back with eddie and david. and david jolly, i warn people to hold their breath and wait for trump to lose his grip. because the misdiagnosis is the rot in the gop, the rot is that they agree with him and i wonder what you make of this -- it looks like a bungled pick and endorsement and it is probably wishful thinks to view it as him losing his grip on the party. what do you think. >> and it reflects the cult-like apparatus within today's republican party. a twice impeached former president endorses a new jersey candidate for pennsylvania senate overa connecticut candidate and now the republican party is in this uproar. it is absurd. and it will test the power of the endorsement. dave mccormick is the front-runner in the pennsylvania senate rate, close ties to the

trump administration and his wife is a senior official and he's hired many trump staffers but trump proves loyalty goes one way and so he endorsed dr. oz. i think the question about the future of trump endorsements though comes down to when will somebody have a more powerful endorsement. and in pennsylvania, what a santorum or toomey endorsement mean more than trump and in florida would a desantis -- and it might happen in florida. until we see that environment, you still want the trump endorsement in a republican primary. >> but, i mean, eddie, david just i think sort of pulled back the curtain on this sort of dark an incestuous. dina powell is the husband of mccormick, the front-runner and no one did more good for the jav

onka and the investment banking in new york circles to go against jared and ivanka's ambassador to the dignified world is a fight within trump world, eddie. >> right. but it also reveals how deeply transactional the trump world is. only he could must live to quote, is that voldemort i think. and what is interesting about the ozen dorsment is it is a snake oils endorsement by another snake oil salesman. and i think it is important to understand, remember that moment when trump was booed over the vaccines. we think that people are mindlessly following him. i don't want to say we need to unpack what the ideology underpinning of trump may be if there are any beyond the transactionalism. but there seems to be an element if you like your mcconnell endorsed or look like the swamp

and don't have extremes of mogism, maybe there may be some space and we'll see what happens in this regard. and this is where desantis is interesting. trump is old, gotten long in the tooth. maybe someone like desantis could step in. who knows. >> and then what? david jolly, is a less sort of distracted and distractible trump better than the real thing? >> look, i think donald trump would be dangerous if he were to return to the white house or any public office. so we need to make sure that doesn't happen. the reality is there will be a republican that follows him. and they will be smarter and cageyer and if it is someone like ron desantis, here is the interesting thing, it is not a return to what the republican party will be, it is an inheritance that trump created and within that party still lies a lot of danger. donald trump reshaped the

orthodoxy of the gop in his image an the only person that will succeed him is the one that carries on that image. so the danger still exists. i do think donald trump is a dangerous character that should not be returned to office. would you be surprised if someone else emerged with that same level of anti-democratic themes but this new gop orthodoxy continues past the forther president. >> and eddie, what is interesting, fraud endorsing the quack, the unseriousness of both men is always what trump returns to, right. sort of the anti-elite. mccormick is trump era establishment, if you will. has the trump has hands on him from his wife's association, but oz was his guy. trump reveals him self over and over again. there is no policies. there is no -- nothing dignified about how he sees any sort of elected office. it is about tv.

it is about shallowness and loyalty and loyalty out. >> you know, that is absolutely right and let me just put an exclamation point and underline everything that david jolly just said. donald trump is dangerous and so is the republican party. and i think we need to make that clear. and there is something about the culture, it is not just trumpism. there is an all-out a salt on seriousness, a kind of rush to the image as opposed to substance and reflected in the way that we deliberate and make choices and it is in some ways part of the rot at the heart of our democratic life at this point. so absolutely. >> it is so good to see both of you. eddie glaude and david jolly, thank you for spending time with us today. quick break for us. we'll be right back.

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thank you so much for letting us into your homes during these extraordinary times. we are grateful. "the beat" with ari melber starts right now. >> welcome to the beat, i'm ari melber. the new york subway hunt and that is coming up this hour. while we begin right now with progress in adifferent investigation. the one into the insurrection. now if you follow the developments into the probe, of that violent effort to overthrow democracy, you've heard plenty about clashes over the resistant and defiant witnesses and holing them accountable because both parties engage with lawful subpoenas and probes