as well. i first want to get to some breaking news we have been following out of south carolina, a chaotic scene unfolding at a mall in columbia, south carolina, after a shooting there a short time ago. we don't have a lot of details, though police are saying several people were injured, but the extent of those injuries is unknown at this time. officers have, in fact, evacuated the mall. they set up a reunification site as well. it's unclear what led to the shooting, the motive of the shooting, the whereabouts of the shooter as well. we are supposed to be getting an update pretty soon from columbia police shortly, and if we get it, when we get it, we'll try to bring it to you. want to get to another city on edge right about now, tonight especially. desperate calls for justice in grand rapids, michigan, where less than an hour from now, demonstrators, they are expected to continue their days-long protest after the deadly police shooting of 26-year-old patrick lyoya. lyoya is a congolese refugee and a father of two.

he was shot and killed on the morning of april 4th during a traffic stop. new videos released by the police department show the final moments of his life. lyoya is seen in dash cam footage being pulled over in a residential neighborhood where both he and the officer, who has not been publicly identified, exit their vehicles. i want you to listen to their exchange, and i want to note that there are certain portions of this video that, in fact, have been blurred out not by us but by police. >> i'm stopping you. do you have a license? >> what done? >> do you have a driver's license? do you speak english? >> yes. >> can i see your license? >> what do you want? >> the plate doesn't belong on this no. no. stop. stop. put your hands up. stop. we got one running. northbound. stop. >> running north.

>> okay. so, from there, the interaction turns violent. the two men, they're wrestling on the ground as you're seeing there as the officer appears to unholster his taser. it seems as if they're yelling at least five times for lyoya to either let go of the taser or drop the taser as he pinned patrick down to the ground. and this is what happens next. and i do want to warn you, it's disturbing and really tough to watch. >> drop the taser! >> so, that is the sound of that now unnamed police officer shooting patrick in the head. patrick's family, left mourning his death as the michigan state police are working to investigate what led to the officer's use of that deadly force. >> i didn't know that in

america, there can be an execution style to kill someone. you see that my son has been killed like an animal by this police officer. i'm asking for justice. i'm asking for justice. >> joining me now is reverend al sharpton, host of "politics nation" and president of the national action network and maya wiley, civil rights attorney, former assistant u.s. attorney and msnbc legal analyst. it seems like whenever i have the two of you on the show, it's to talk about something like this, which is just a travesty. >> unfortunately, that's too often. it is, in my opinion, it is absolutely unthinkable that you have a person stopped for tags on their car, a traffic stop, and he ends up dead. shot, we're told, in the back of the head. and it is apparent to me that this officer had to know that he was unarmed, because he was on top of him. so, there was no life

extenuating circumstance, which is the only reason you would even pull a gun. why would an officer pull a gun on a young unarmed man and then discharges and kills him? so, certainly, we at national action network are supporting a call for justice. attorney benjamin crump, who i call the attorney general of black america, will be on my show in the next hour, and it is absolutely unthinkable. this young man came to this country seven years ago, looking for a better life from the congo and he ends up dead at the hands of a policeman and we don't know what the -- was silenced out of the tape that even led to the policeman chasing him when he walked away from the policeman. we saw the walk away. we don't know what was said. why don't we know what was said? what was the interaction? and how does it end up like this? >> i know you're going to be giving the eulogy as the president of the national action network.

you're saying patrick's father is going to be on your program in the next hour. what do they want us to know about patrick? >> they want us to know he was a fine young man. he was -- had two children, upstanding, and that he did not deserve to die over a traffic stop. and i think that we keep seeing the litany of cases, which is why all of us in the national civil rights community, including maya, who's also now leading one of our important organizations, leadership on civil and human rights, have been pushing for the george floyd justice in policing act where officers don't have qualified immunity and where they understand they're liable for their actions, and i think that we must support those local activists and those that are coming in nationally from naacp national action network and others to support a call for justice and federal intervention here. this needs federal investigation. there has been a series of cases in grand rapids, and they do not

trust the local prosecutor. >> maya, this officer, from my understanding, and correct me if i'm wrong here, he's a seven-year veteran on the force, which to me speaks to the fact that he doesn't necessarily have a lot of experience, so there's that. now he has been suspended with pay, and if there's any updates on that, someone tell me because from my understanding, that's where we're at. should he be charged? will he be charged? >> well, look, i think the reverend laid it out quite clearly. we saw video. we haven't seen all of the video, and certainly everyone deserves a full examination of the evidence before there's a decision about prosecution. in this case, what is so clear, and reverend said this, is that you have someone who is stopped for a minor infraction. there is simply no information that we have heard or seen or that happened at the scene on the video that suggests that

police believed there was any weapon or that any violent crime had been committed or that the car had been stolen or any of the kind of serious crimes that would put police on high alert. and he has, essentially, already called for back-up, so he had the opportunity to wait for back-up. you have someone walking away from a nonviolent minor infraction stop. he starts running away, and you have called for back-up. there's so many different things that happened in the process both of police training and on the job experience that give you multiple options in a case like this. and there simply should have been no reason why we see a young man, a father of two, who is literally laying, and a gun gets drawn and he then takes a bullet to the back of the head. that's what we're seeing. so, what reverend al said was right. we have had 400, just in the

past roughly five years, 400 people killed in routine traffic stops. >> that's astounding. >> disproportionately black and five prosecutions only. that's why we need the george floyd act. >> and that number is even more astounding. maya, there are restrictions on pursuant of chase in the chicago pd. i know recently put into place. is that something that needs to happen across the board? you bring up a really good point, as you're watching this video. you wonder, why is this police officer pursuing this individual? he doesn't necessarily seem like a threat. this was a minor infraction that he was pulled over for. >> yeah, and there's still a passenger in the car, by the way. they want to find out who the guy is and where to find him. it's not that difficult. it's called policing. but this is the point. far too often, we are seeing escalation to violence that results in black -- particularly black men but also black women being shot and killed. and then we find out later there

was no weapon, and we know from the incident itself there was no reason to pursue, particularly when you have all these other avenues available to you. if you need to find the person again, police know how to do it, and all i can say is this. the right questions here are why is patrick lyoya dead? that's the question we should be asking. and far too often, the question becomes, well, why did he run? well, guess what? there's nothing in the constitution that says he can't. >> he can't. i want to play for you both a video, because the grand rapids pd does not have a good reputation over the past five years. >> exactly. >> and there was a case in which the grand rapids pd pulled over five young boys walking home from a basketball court, and for no reason. there had been reports of kids at the basketball court having a fight. they tried to pull these guys over that were walking along, they were young kids. and there was a -- i'm just kind of setting this video up for you. there was a mother that comes out, seeing this happen, and she

begins kind of freaking out at the police officers. understandably so, because this is one of her sons. and i want to play for you both what this mother says to these police officers in this kind of moment of passion. >> look, i understand, but you have to understand -- >> that's my baby right there. >> you have to understand our position as well. we have to investigate. >> when a mother comes, just tell me. show me. >> the way you were acting. >> i can't help it. that's my baby. >> i understand. i'm a parent as well. >> we don't deal with police. i don't ever even have no charges. we don't do this. all the stuff that goes on in this world, i worry about my kids every day. that's why i don't let them go nowhere. >> this is the kind of anguish and frustration and fear that we see in grand rapids, which is why people there locally have been protesting and those of us that come in are going to support them, not try to supplant them. and we so this all over the country. and at some point, this country

has to come to terms with why in the black community do people fear equally the cops and the robbers? because too often, we're a victim of both. and we need to really start holding police accountable, bad police accountable, so that this fear is not there. this mother is a law-abiding person who is trying to explain her frustration, and there seems to be where people don't want to get it. and we have to make this country get it. >> maya, final word. >> oh, yeah, look, a white police officer says to a black mother, i understand, i have kids too. no, you don't. you do not understand what it means to wonder if your kid is going to be killed because they've left the house. that's what was happening in that situation, yasmin, that you were describing. you had kids playing basketball, coming home, and told they fit the description, and that's how our kids die. >> maya wiley, you're going to stay with us.

rev, thank you. we'll be watching at 5:00 p.m. reverend al sharpton, "politics nation," 5:00 p.m., everybody. join attorney benjamin crump, joining the rev as well. thank you, rev. great to see you. great to have you onset as well. turning back to ukraine now and a significant escalation in violence today. new blast reported in the city of kharkiv, kyiv, and lviv just days after ukraine claimed responsibility for sinking the flagship of russia's black sea fleet. i want to go right now to nbc's ali arouzi on the ground for us in lviv. ali, good to talk to you once again. pretty direct retaliation here from russia in response to the sinking of this ship. striking a military hardware factory on the outskirts of kyiv, or so they say. what else do we know? >> reporter: hi, yasmin. well, look, the strategy for the russians changed as this war goes on. if they need to terrorize populations like mariupol or kharkiv, they'll bomb the civilian locations there. when we see their ship has been sunk in the black sea, then they

will pursue a different tactic. they will go after strategic locations like military bases or places where they have infrastructure and they have different locations that are like a military factory. that, we heard like two days after they hit the warship. they hit a missile factory where they produce the neptune missiles, which are then hitting that warship. the one they're hitting in kyiv today is probably also one of strategic importance to them there. because they're probably producing something there, the ukrainians, that would be effective in this war against the russians to hit an airplane or a tank or something like that. so, we've heard that it's a military location, that they produce some sort of military hardware, and that would be in line with what the russians want to stop the ukrainians doing in this war. hitting their hardware, hitting their tanks, hitting their airplanes, and as we've seen before in lviv, when they have hit targets in lviv, they've been very strategic locations.

they have hit a fuel depot to stop the ukrainians getting fuel to the front lines. they've hit a military base where recruits were being trained in that base to then go to the front line, so they ebb and flow between what they need to hit in this country, whether it's civilians or military, factories or training grounds or fuel depots. >> all right, ali arouzi for us, as always, stay safe where you are. ahead, everybody, we got a big show. supply chain issues caused by endless lines of trucks at the border plus undocumented migrants sent straight to washington, d.c., in a political stunt. inside texas governor greg abbott's border war with president biden. also, failures exposed in the aftermath of the new york city subway shooting. new york congressman joins me on what needs to change to keep the city safe. ns me on what needs to change to keep the city safe. ♪♪

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relying heavily on civilians to i.d. and turn in the suspect after an almost 30-hour manhunt. joining me now to talk more about this, democratic congressman from new york, thank you for talking to us. >> thank you, yasmin. >> i'm glad you're here because i was down in brooklyn. i was called down there to cover this firsthand, so we had the press conference around 12:30 that afternoon, and we didn't get a lot of details from the nypd at that point, and a lot of us were curious as to why not. and it was worrisome that we later find out that he was still traveling on the subway at that moment, and the new york city police department didn't necessarily know. they didn't i.d. him until 6:00 p.m. and put the picture out there. they caught him 27 hours later after he unleashed on the subway system. that said, where were the shortcomings in all this? where do you think the issues are? >> i think there needs to be better maintenance of the camera system within the subway system, which is a large, you know, huge subway system, unlike any other in the world. i think we ought to take a look

at new technology. i think the mayor referred to new technology that's out there that will prevent people from coming into the subway system with a weapon. not a metal detector, the traditional metal detector, but something new. >> like what? >> there's new technology that's not as invasive, if you may, and will not delay or cause gridlock at the entrance of the subway station, but can detect when you are carrying a weapon. so we have to take a look at what's out there that's modern and far apart the best piece of technology in the world to make sure that everybody's safe in the subway. >> so you're looking at how to deal with not having as many weapons inside the subway, identifying if someone is, in fact, armed, but what about the root of the problem? >> there should be also -- i'm for having police officers not only in the platform but in the subways themselves, just like mayor adams was when he was a rookie cop. and so, i'm for that. i think people -- new yorkers want to feel safe and that would make them feel a little safer.

that's part of the formula as well. but the root of the problem is guns, violence, inequality, poverty, all that. >> poverty, inequality, but also more community outreach. i mean, things like that, it seems -- i was speaking to -- what is his name -- a public advocate. williams. he talked about how you need to reach out to the community. there needs to be more community involvement, community outreach when it comes to this type of thing if we're going to work on crime, if we're going to work on combatting crime in this city, it's not just about making sure someone is not armed, right? >> absolutely. the average new yorker wants to make sure that we get to the root of the problem, but they also want to make sure the police are there in their neighborhood. on foot patrol, that precision policing, what the mayor is talking about, i think, is very important. 7% of the crime -- 17% of the crime is committed by folks that are very violent and carry weapons, and they want to focus on that -- that 7% of the

criminals to ensure that the real violent crime is handled. so, new yorkers want that, but they also want us to take a look at the root of the problem, and that's poverty. summer youth jobs. summer is coming right now. we ought to have our young people working and doing positive things. the mayor is pushing for that. we're pushing for that in washington. these are all efforts to really bring down crime. >> i want people that don't live in new york to get a sense of what's happening here in the city when we talk about increase in crime. it's happening in major cities across the board, crime is up, especially post-pandemic but when you're looking at new york numbers, let's put up some of these numbers. 75% increase this transit crimes in january. that's insane. 139% increase since 2019 of people carrying knives on the transit system. and that's, by the way, just what's happening underground. weaver not talking about what's happening aboveground as well. you got a new administration here. mayor adams, who has promised to

combat crime. governor hochul at that news conference on tuesday said, this has to stop. we are going to do everything we can to combat crime in the streets of new york city. how does he ride this wave? how do they make sure they get it done? >> well, the iron pipeline is one. remember there was a weapon use in this subway crime. we got to work with the federal authorities, president biden just recently appointed steven to head the atf. we didn't even have a -- >> a serial number that was traced on the gun. >> that's correct. ghost guns. he just put some new rules that will hold manufacturers accountable, the serial numbers must be there, 20,000 ghost guns have been recovered by law enforcement across the country in the last year. so these are all components of being safer, but at the end of the day, we got to make sure we have more police on the streets and that the root cause of crimes are directly addressed, and that means young people, better education, better housing, communities working

together with law enforcement to make sure we tackle this. >> congressman adriano espaillat, thank you for allowing me to recruit you from the boarding area of the delta airlines flight from d.c. to new york. ics, i know who you are. how about you come on my show next weekend? great to see you. >> thank you for having me. we're still awaiting a news conference from columbia, south carolina, everybody, where multiple injuries are being reported at a mall there. we're going to update you with information on that. up next, though, the threat of russian nuclear weapons in ukraine, if putin takes it to that level, can the u.s. continue keeping troops out of this war? former ambassador to ukraine, bill taylor, weighs in. former ambassador to ukraine, bill taylor, weighs in

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walk us through where we're seeing more heightened explosions, attacks from the russian military. >> yeah, as we've been seeing this, yasmin, we're week seven and one of the questions might be, why is russia's military attacking kyiv? that's been launching missiles, as you've just mentioned, the past few days, attacks are scattered but intentional all in this area. this is blue, claimed ukrainian counteroffensive. that's happening, this as the number of dead is just being realized. ukraine police finding more than 900 civilians dead so far. now, the missile attacks here remind us of what happened not too long ago, and that when we see these attacks, that they still face serious russian aggression and there's more today. tens of thousands of ukrainians are returning to the capital daily. the russian military does not want them to regain comfort as they get back into kyiv, but remember russian officials saying it was shifting its focus here to the east. that was two weeks ago.

why then the attack on kyiv? these missile attacks over the last two days, it could be retribution for ukraine's attack on the russian navy. ukrainian forces claiming responsibility for the sinking of the "moskva," which is right about here, about 65 miles south of odesa. pentagon officials confirming that there were two missiles that had hit this vessel, this vessel, rather, ukrainian neptune missiles striking the "moskva." now, after the attack, they tried to tow it back to port for repairs, but they didn't make it. the nuclear missile capable ship, it sank. the ship normally has about 500 personnel. this was both a major loss here and symbolic blow to russia and its fleet. the "moskva" was the kremlin's most powerful missile platform, guarding much of the black sea fleet. it is extremely difficult to replace. now, as we look at what happened there, this last weekend's russia's offensive in the east, the attacks on kyiv, could be

saying, you know, you hurt us down here with our fleet. but hey, we can hurt you where you think you're safe too, and yasmin, the russian fleet could be worried and feel vulnerable now after that attack in the south. after all, the ship that was named after russia's capital, moscow, moskva, was just sunk by a military that does not even rank in the top 20. >> yeah. so, of course, the question is always, what will he do next as all this is happening, and by "he" i mean russian president vladimir putin. thank you, my friend. i want to bring in bill taylor. thanks for joining us on this. i want to talk first about the warning from ukrainian president zelenskyy, essentially saying the world needs to be prepared for the use of nuclear weapons by vladimir putin. how worried should we be? >> so, of course, yasmin, we should be worried. russia has nuclear weapons, as we know.

putin and others have kind of reminded us if we needed reminding that they've got nuclear weapons. bill burns, the head of the cia, reminded us a couple days ago as well that they're watching -- the cia is watching very carefully for any sign that the russians might be getting ready to use a nuclear weapon, and he saw no sign at this point. nonetheless, you need to be careful, and president zelenskyy's obviously right that that would be something that we need to be very careful about, and he's particularly concerned, as he should be. >> these are, though, humiliating defeats for the russian president, who would like to see himself as a winner in everything. right? the sinking of the ship. >> absolutely right. >> the "moskva," right? the now killing, it seems, of this russian general, which yurs curiously was announced by the russians, which i actually find fascinating as well and would love your take on that, as to why they would be so public about this. the admission that thousands of russian soldiers have now died

throughout the seven-week war. and so the worry is, with all of this humiliation and loss to this winner, as he sees himself, that who knows what he'll do next. >> no one knows what he will do next, yasmin. you're exactly right. and he may look at these losses in a way that a normal person would and say, you know, this is actually not working well. i tried to take kyiv. i tried to take the capital. failed. my military was not up to the task. i've been -- i've been humiliated in the black sea. my generals, it's not just this one general, yasmin. they've lost probably seven or eight generals now and that's because they're not well led. the generals have to go to the front. they're normally not on the front lines, but these generals are, and they got killed. why did they get killed? a, they're on the front line, but b, their security, their operational security, their security of their communications was not good. this was not a professional

military. so, president putin looking at some real losses. his, as you say, the ukrainian military was not in the top ten. well, actually, it's stronger than the russian military so far. >> and then you have these major threats from vladimir putin, issuing a warning to the u.s., demanding the biden administration stop sending military aid to ukraine or else face, quote, unpredictable consequences, this threat about finland and sweden as well, that if they were to pursue nato membership, that moscow would bolster troop presence on the border with russia along with deploying nuclear weapons. >> so, yasmin, this is despicable for the russians to say that they are irritated -- they are worried, they're concerned, we should not be supporting the ukrainians. president biden has said this is genocide. president biden has said, this is very, very serious.

genocide is serious business. and the way to stop that genocide is to arm the ukrainians, and the russians don't want us to arm the ukrainians, and they're going to be upset if we arm the ukrainians. no. we ought to arm the ukrainians up to the limit. we should be providing the ukrainians with the weapons that they need to stop this genocide. and the same thing. this business about being -- again, the nuclear saber rattling if the finns and the swedes should think about joining nato. that makes them even more determined to join nato. you join nato because you want to increase your security because of a threat to your security. and that's what the russians are providing. >> just providing, i guess, sweden and finland with the opportunity to want to join nato, as you said, even more now. ambassador bill taylor, as always, thank you for your brilliant analysis. we appreciate it. we are still following that breaking news out of south carolina, everybody. a shooting at a mall in the town

there. police saying several people were injured but the extent of the injuries is unknown at this time. officers have already evacuated this mall. we are still awaiting a press conference from columbia police any moment now. joining me now by phone are a mother and daughter, cindy paris and rachel tourney, who were at the mall during the shooting. do i have you? >> yes. we're here. >> great. rachel or sydney, whoever wants to go first, just tell me what happened, what you heard at the mall. >> so, my daughter and i were in the food court, and we were just finishing up our lunch, and all of a sudden, we heard this rapid noise. at the time, we didn't realize it was gunfire, but all of a sudden, we kind of looked up at the roof, thinking maybe it was, like, a rainstorm or the roof was caving in or, you know, just

something. we looked up, looked out the window, and then we looked out towards the mall and it was people racing and screaming and yelling and running. >> oh my gosh. >> towards the exit. and into the food court because there was an exit. and we looked at each other and then we realized what we had heard was an automatic weapon, gunfire, so we quickly just automatically just grabbed our purse and started to run with the crowd towards the door. and at that point, we didn't see anything, but we knew we had heard gunfire. and at that point, i actually hid under the table because i wasn't sure if they were coming towards us or if we would hear any more gunfire, and rachel turned around to see i wasn't with her, she didn't know if i had fallen down, and she immediately screamed for me to

get up and go out the door, and by that time, everybody was just running and screaming out the door. >> oh my gosh. >> so we just ran out the door and just ran to our car. >> oh my gosh. cindy, that sounds terrifying. rachel, your mom, i believe, that's your mom, just walked me through this whole experience. you saw her, you wanted her to get up and get out. how scared were you at that moment? >> i was terrified. i thought she had fallen, maybe gotten pushed over or something by everyone who was running towards the door. so, my first thought was, like, oh no, she's fallen, so i looked at her, and i just waved her on and i said, we got to get up, we got to get out, and she was like, come on, and then we just, you know, we were able to make it out the door with everybody else, and then we just -- we didn't stop running until we got to my car. >> how did you know, rachel, to get out? how did you know it was better to get out than to hide? is that where everybody else was going? >> yeah.

i guess it just kind of like adrenaline kicked in and i was just following everybody else. i didn't know, you know, at the time, we didn't know where it had come from or where -- if anyone was, you know, actively still around us, but i mean, it just seemed safer to be outside, you know, because everyone else is kind of exiting as well. >> and where are you guys now? >> we're at home. >> oh, thank god. you made it home. >> she's actually at my home. we decided to get out of the whole area and just call it a day. we were just to the point where we -- that ruined our day. >> yeah, i would think it would do just that. rachel, cindy, we are so happy that you guys are safe. you have each other. you were able to get out. you're home now. hope you're able to kind of let that anxiety release a little bit. i know it's incredibly stressful to be in a situation like that. we are so thankful you guys called in and walked us through that. we appreciate it so much. >> yes, thank you. >> we are going to continue to

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welcome back. texas governor greg abbott has backed off his latest dramatic protest to the biden administration lifting trump-era border policy. this is the video of the fourth bus of migrants arriving in washington, d.c., from texas earlier today. back in texas, the governor had ordered all commercial vehicles be held for inspection on the mexican border. the move causing trucks to back

up for miles and slow down all goods entering the border. abbott's democratic challenger calling the back-up criminal. >> this was blackmail, absolutely. blackmail to these governors in mexico, blackmail against the businesses along the border here and communities like el paso and blackmail against the people of texas. >> i want to bring in christina ramirez, the executive director at next gen america. thanks for joining us on this. $150 million sabotaged of food, triggering a greater economic crisis in the state of texas. talk to me about how this is all playing out. >> i mean, what you can see from anywhere else in the country is that this is pure theatrics in texas. our governor, as you said, put in policies in place that created a blockade for people trying to bring just basic food stuffs in a time where there is extreme inflation, and millions of dollars of food went to

waste. and it's theatrics because in texas, we have one of the highest foreign-born populations in the country and perhaps no state has gained as much from the courage and contributions of immigrants than texas because one in three texans are like me, we are immigrants or children of immigrants. and what governor abbott doesn't want people focused on or talking about is that the truth is that some of his top donors are the largest employers of undocumented labor in texas, and he wants us all to believe that the biggest problems we face are due to immigrants. we know actually, the biggest problems we face are created by governor greg abbott himself from having the highest uninsured rate in the country that tomorrow, if he decided to expand medicaid, 1.4 million texans could have healthcare and that's just one of the top issues that we face. >> so, the american trucking association is calling these inspections, quote, wholly flawed, redundant, and adding considerable weight on an already strained supply chain. by the way, this just did not impact texas.

it had impacts throughout the entire country. >> yeah, you have supply chains coming in for car parts, foodst. mexico is a huge importer to the united states of much of our produce across the country. so, you know, across texas and other parts of the country, people didn't get the food they needed, and we already have supply chain problems, and it was not only -- it wasn't at all helpful. dps wasn't even allowed to fully inspect the vehicles, so they're just pulling them over, adding hours waits, days waits for cargo and you saw mexican truckers actually start protesting these actions on the mexico side, and it was such a failed policy that he's had to rescind it. >> so, last thing here, also part of this policy was shipping asylum seekers to the nation's capital, to washington, d.c., by bus. that's some of what i showed earlier as i came to you.

the mayor of d.c., muriel bowser, scrambling now to find places to house these people, these asylum seekers. she had no idea this was coming. >> yeah, and strategically, again, the buses arrived right outside of fox offices, so there were cameras right there to be able to film people getting off of these buses. you know, the truth is that we can have an immigration system that works for immigrants, for american workers, and that is humane, but the reason we don't have one is because of some of the theatrics that we see from the gop, from governors to all the way in congress that refuse to build a system that actually works. they have held up action on immigration in congress, and our own governor supports those actions and instead of actually doing his job in texas of receiving immigrants and allowing them to go through the legal asylum process, he's

shipping them to d.c. to try and make a void talking about the real issues that we face here in texas, whether it's talking about the fact that we also have one of the lowest per capita investments into students, that the minimum wage is still pegged at $7.25. he doesn't have eyes to win on, so instead he's trying to just focus on immigration and blame immigrants for everything we face in texas. >> christina, thank you. good to talk to you. up next, everybody, former trump advisor steven miller met with the panel investigating january 6th, which says he helped efforts to overturn the 2020 election. will there be any legal ramifications? don't go anywhere. sfloechl l ramifications? don't go anywhere. sfloechl ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ we believe there's an innovator in all of us. ♪ ♪

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welcome back. new developments in the january 6th committee's investigation into the capitol riot. they're parenting an even bigger picture of the widespread effort to overturn the election. numerous text messages have been obtained that first supported and then backed off trump's big lie. stephen miller spoke to the panel for more than eight hours this week, a meeting described by sources as contentious. the panel has said miller promoted lies about the election and aided efforts to overturn it. back with me, maya, you've got

to read some of these text messages. i was laughing as i read some of them. one from chip roy -- dude, we free ammo. we need fraud examples. we need it this weekend. that was november 7th. then january 1st, from him as well to mark meadows -- we are driving a stake in the heart of the federal republic. quite a change of heart. by the way, mike lee also at one point touting sydney powell, saying let sydney powell get with potus, let her talk to, and then a text later, don't lynn to her, i'm not sure they can back up any claims that were made. what do you make of the exchanges? >> what the exchanges show us, yasmin is exactly what the other evidence shows us. there was no evidence of voter

fraud. sadly and desperately there were republicans who knew it, who were raising the alarm bells about it, and yet we have a white house, and also other elected republicans, who continued to either complain about voter fraud, even though it didn't exist, like about it, and continue to construct this story, this narrative that somehow the 20 to election had been stolen from donald trump. remember, this was a narrative that donald trump himself started creating the spring before the election. so they knew it. they knew it wasn't true. they just kept right on. >> quickly i want to ask you about the testimony from stephen miller. the committee focused a lot on the use of the word "we" in the former president's speech on the

elipse. why is that so important? >> they're zeroing in on did donald trump intentionally incite that crowd. he said we, as i way -- i think what the committee is asking -- putting himself it saying we are in this together, we are doing this together. we know of one defendant, who already claimed the president -- i was operating under instruction of the president. obviously there were people who also interpreted it that way. >> maya wiley, thank you for sticking around. at 8:00 eastern, we learn more about what happened. right here on msnbc tonight. hapd right here on msnbc tonight. to l my doctor my heart was racing just making spaghetti... but i didn't wait. i could've delayed telling my doctor i was short of breath just reading a book... but i didn't wait. they told their doctors. and found out they had... atrial fibrillation.

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i'll be back tomorrow. "politics nation" starts right now. welcome to "politics nation" tonight's lead -- the simp for solutions. this week we have seen troubling reminders that certain persistent problems that won't go away until we rise up. in ukraine, citizens are bracing for a new russian assault. that u.s. intelligence --. it seems clear an international agreement is needed to put an end to the violence. we will have the latest