a. we provide counseling, psychosocial support, and even just areas for children to play and have really from the horrors they've just been through. in kharkiv, in the north, for example, in the mattress, station we have child protection team stupid providing emotional support underground for children who remained underground for so long. they provide games and even some learning, some english classes, some other learning they can do down there. so, it's about reaching those children. also, with mobile child protection to teams wherever we can. so, the trauma is tackled. it's quickly and effectively as possible. >> thank you for your work and thank you for joining me on this easter sunday. don't go anywhere, a live report from lviv, ukraine, ye is moments away. another hour starts right now. when i said right now, i mean right, now it's sunday, april

17th, i'm marissa kumar, subbing in for velshi. he is off, deservedly. another explosion is heard, in the outskirts of kyiv this morning. this marked the third straight day that the capitol regions attacked, following the sinking of the russian naval vessel, stationed in the black sea. russia is keeping its focus on mariupol, on the brink of russian control. moscow has been bombarding the eastern port city for most of the war. ukrainian forces in mariupol have put up tougher forces in this time. , cutting off ukrainian troops, and a falls if mariupol is taken by city, it lies between the peninsula and donbas, under russian control. capping the city, allows them to contain a land bridge, to the rest of russia. earlier today, that kremlin demanded that the remaining forces in mariupol surrender. the deadline has passed, with

no indication that ukrainians are willing to give up the fight. local officials have acknowledged the grim situation in the city. the governor of the donbas region, have told the washington post that ukraine city has been waved off the face of the earth. the mayor has said that more than 12,000 silly villains in the region has been killed. nbc has not verified this number, however it's been difficult for many organization to access the region. humanitarian convoys and other sources have been repeatedly failed there. because of the russians bombardment. about 100,000 people -- mariupol has been the sight of some of the worst attacks come into light so far. a missile hit a theater last month, more than 3000 people were sheltered in place. more than 3000 people were believed to die in that similar attack. in a video addressed last night,

she said -- zelenskyy said quote, it remained a fear that is possible, just inhumane. raf centers joins me now from ukraine, raf, mary paul has been heavily under siege for quite some time. can you speak on the situation there? >> yes, maria, the defenders in mariupol are making their last stand now. this is a motley group of ukrainian marines and fighters from the azov regiment, that far-right militia that had been leading the defense of the city. they are outnumbered, they are outgunned, and surrounded now in all the remains of a steel plant. that is where they are making their last stand. the russian military gave them until 6 am local time this morning, to surrender. that deadline came and went without the white flag being raised over that steel plant. we spoke earlier this week to an officer from the azoff

regimen. this is dire, take a listen to what they have to say. >> how can you fight if you can't get more i mission? >> we are defending our land. we are highly trained and we are highly motivated. and we are very very dedicated to our duty. >> now you, heard these are fighters who are prepared -- go ahead. >> no, you go ahead, rough. >> these are fighters who are prepared to fight to the end and they seem to have done so. you, know it looks like they are on the brink of defeat, now in mariupol. we will see, we will see. but if they are, they will be able to say that they tied up an enormous number of russian troops for weeks, and weeks, and weeks. and i think part of the reason that vladimir putin fails to take kyiv, fails to achieve

some of the other objectives, in this campaign, is that he has been bogged down in mariupol. and it's a city that is of enormous importance. he claims, falsely, that it is a hotbed of neo-nazism that needs to be stomped out, because it's a threat to the rest of the donbas region. strategically, it helps and provide, and create, a land bridge between there and crimea, which he annexed back in 2014. these two breakaway separatist republics in the shut the country. this would be a major victory for him if his forces are indeed able to take a mariupol. >> one last thing we are seeing is that the place there was starting to fight it's open territory. it's open plains, which makes it more dangerous because it is nowhere to hide. can you speak about this new phase of the war? >> the ukrainian government is

saying that this next phase of the war is looking more like world war ii. it's going to be pitched battles fought in open areas, large formations of, tanks of artillery going up against each other. and what makes this difficult for the ukrainians is that they have been very successful with guerrilla warfare, hit and run tactics, around kyiv. there are not going to be opportunities for fighting in the east of the country. the russians are going to have much shorter supply lines, they will be fighting close to their borders, close to the friendly territories. those two breakaway publics of donetsk and luhansk. this is going to be a hard fight for the ukrainian forces, zelenskyy says they can win but only if they get the weapons they need. >> and bc's raf sanchez, thank you for explaining this new phase of the war, and it also provides info on why they need the artillery now, it's a

completely different tactic that there are about to enter. thank you so, much live in lviv, stay safe. joining me now is david, president and ceo of the international rescue committee, i keep mentoring rescue group. he also previously served for a former secretary of the uk. thank you for joining me today. i want to ask you -- i want to ask you right now, what you are hearing when it comes to a lot of the international refugees? >> the international rescue committee has teams on the ground, obviously in poland, month over, refugees in europe. we also have teams inside ukraine. and what we are hearing, in the censored, east and west of the country, confirms with what you are saying this is a new phase of the swat. refugees in your safe, the word

about the, brothers, fathers and family members fighting, but the ukrainians who are in the center of the west of the country who are also safe because of russian retreat, that trying to keep them together. in the east of the country, where the fighting is intense, more signs [inaudible] that it's more intense, the danger that we end up with more mariupol,'s more polarization of civilians themselves, of cities, without humanitarian access. >> how is the rest of europe then preparing for this potential expansion of displacement? >> to be fair to the european union, i think they have done quite well. they made the early decision six weeks ago everyone in the

uk -- poland is the key entry point in the uk. they would be not messing around. [inaudible] three years of services, including education, and three years of welfare support, and the challenge there, is not going to be a policy challenge. it's going to be an organizational challenge. we are hearing a lot about the problems which speaks to the real effort, families and the private sector have been looking after the refugees. the real concern is that they remain trapped, >> here in the united states, the cia director william burns has indicated

they may have intelligence saying russia is willing to use a special arsenal of weaponry. would that change europe's response right now? >> bill burns is an extraordinarily well respected person in this career of [inaudible] and he served previously as ambassador to moscow, so he knows the russian mind very well. he was answering a question as a q&a session, but bill burns does not speak lightly and i think the most basic and beneath the conflict, is a whole new world. and i think that if there's any question about the future of

the war after using the weapons, it's a different situation than before. i very much hope that words that bill used are beyond speculating. the fact that he felt [inaudible] >> thank you david, i appreciate your time today. coming up, does another war waged between ukraine and russia. we talk about how damaging entities russian propaganda has been to ukraine and the rest of the world. and wielding the power of the map. republican governor of florida is just the latest drug that may quote be overly oasis. all that more on velshi, stick around. stick around we believe there's an innovator in all of us.

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images of the vile bloodshed afflicted ukraine. thousands have died of russia's attack on ukraine and less than a weeks. making matters, whereas the washington post reports that ukrainians now have the terrifying task of, quote, clearing the deadly litter of unexploded russian bombs in ukraine. adding, despite just seven weeks of, war much of ukraine is already littered with deadly, unexploded ammunition in mainz. a spokes person for the state emergency services said that

54,000 mines and unexploded ammunition, including almost 2000 missiles, had been found in deactivated. some of the unexploded bomb lights are attached to colorful ribbons, drawing the attention of children. joining me now is isabel khurshudyan, she is a correspondent for the washington post and contributed to that piece. thank you so much for joining, me isabelle. >> thanks for having me. >> what can you talk to me about, right now, with what you're witnessing in the symbolism of deactivating these missiles? >> yeah, just to put it in perspective, these emergency de mining teams. but they were doing before this was looking for unexploded ordinance from world war ii. so, that kind of gives you a sense of how long this aspect of the war will last. the fear and destruction that will continue long after this war is over.

they talked about how civilians, children who will see a shiny silver bomb late, not knowing any better, will walk up and it's still dangerous. those things can still explode, a lot of people have been killed in that way. my colleague, max parrot, in kyiv, spoke to a man who, he had his brother drove through a field that they knew really well and didn't realize it had turned into a minefield. his brother was killed when they drove over a land mine. so, the effect of this, even in areas where the russians have retreated, they've left behind these dangerous objects that can still kill a lot of civilians. >> and so, what exactly are civilians doing to inform themselves and, sadly, to protect the children as best they can? >> yeah, the team i was, with they were getting calls constantly.

from people who are saying hey, i have this unexploded thing in my garden. sometimes, it might be a booster and it doesn't have an explosive element to it. people are afraid, a missile was shot down. there is so many people that i've met over the last month and a half who have some sort of rocket or piece of an explosive that's been left in their garden or in their backyard. they put in a call to the emergency services and there is such a backlog, because they're so many of them. two weeks later, someone will come and that made it or clear it. safely. even the emergency services are trying to hire more people, frantically, because it's such a problem here. >> it is, about where hearing a lot of devastating news reports and images of mariupol and how,

as the president zelenskyy said, it's been wiped off the face of the earth. how are people managing seeing that contrast in those images? i think one of the things were not experience appreciating is the trauma of coming out of covid and now being faced with being completely displaced and senior homeland ruined. hat where people dealing with the trauma of the last couple years and, specifically, the incidents we're seeing right now in ukraine develop? >> yeah, people i talked to here are really angry. i think that's the biggest shift i've seen from when the war first started. it is, if that first ukrainians were shocked and scared, the longer this has gone on, they've just become really angry with what they're seeing russians due to people. it's not just shelling and even shelling civilian areas. it's the things we're seeing in bucha, the stories we're hearing from people who are still in kherson.

not be able to reach their friends and read relatives in mariupol, as you mentioned. i think it's shifted from shock and sadness, fear, to being very, very angry at the kremlin. now, they're just angry at all russians. there's just a huge hate that is being built, and understandably so. i remember being in odessa a week ago, just talking to a woman here at a restaurant. she just started crying talking about bucha. not understanding how it was all possible. i think people, they do scroll constantly, they're very aware of everything going on. constantly checking the news. it's just, every day kind of feels like a new low for them. >> thank you, isabelle.

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say, a statements of russian propaganda. i don't think any kind of damages or any kind of deaths, any kind of pictures of people or destruction can change them. >> that was a segment of ali velshi's conversation from last week with four young ukrainians, whose parents either lived in russia where and russian controlled territories of ukraine like crimea. one central theme in that interview with, due to stifling disinformation and propaganda, many russians don't believe what is plainly true about the war in ukraine. after, all the kremlin has been working overtime to absolve russia of any wrongdoing and spreading false pretenses for the invasion. you might recall putin's call for the denazification of ukraine, a country governed by a jewish president. the sad news is that it's working. a recent poll shows that 83% of russians approve of what putin is doing in ukraine, or at least his version of it. it's a jump from 69 percentage anywhere. but this disinformation

campaign is spreading far beyond russia and ukraine, to the united states, nato allies. it's also creating a global divide, corrupting china, parts of africa and even latin america. as reported in the new york times, quote, the world, china casts off as a principled onlooker of the war in ukraine, not pick a side, simply seeking peace. however, at home, the communist chinese party is painting russia as a long suffering victim rather than an aggressor, and defense china's strong ties with moscow as vital. according to sleet, quote, one study discovered a coordinated network of new, fake and hacked twitter accounts in africa and asia showing pro putin messages. even though this international conflict is focused on russia and ukraine, the kremlin is flooding spanish speakers with messages that the united states is the actual real aggressor. joining me now is clint watts, an msnbc national security analyst and a fellow at the foreign policy research institute. clint, i've been looking forward to having this

conversation with you. as you know, many folks may not realize, but you are also the author of messing with the enemies, surviving social media world and hackers, terrorists, russians and fake news. i think it's also very important to have this conversation because we deeply believe that it is one of the solid pieces of warfare that people aren't talking about. it's how social media, how disinformation, is a strategy of the putin government to get people to stay on his side. can you speak more on this? >> yeah, i think people don't often realize that what they see is not with someone else even a different part of the world. in terms of the history of events and particularly current events like right now. you'll often hear vladimir putin talk about russia's version of history and part of his campaign in ukraine is to establish that version of history overtime. trying to solidify it. when you hear of bucha, we know what happened, we saw the atrocities there. we know it's war crimes. in other parts of the, world

they will not see it that way. that's because people tend to believe that which they see firsthand at which they see the most, and that which doesn't come from a real bottle. meaning there is no alternative explanation. so, ali was speaking to those people in lviv about their family members who are in russia. there is no alternative explanation. in fact, those three individuals that ally was talking to, they're the only alternative explanation. that will change in time, particularly it will change when some of these russian soldiers who have gone there in the defeated, or have been wouldn't, start to rotate back home. that's going to take time, but that's when the underlying story of truth will start to creep into russia. and then the question is, will be believed? will it be the soldiers who have returned, or will it be the russian propaganda disinformation that spread day in a day out inside russia and other parts of the world. >> clint, one of the other things that we have seen is when we talk about sputnik, radio or russia today, it has been one of the quiver's in or

by the russian side, trying to delay this information, not just for ukraine but on many issues to create disruption, and encourage people not to understand what is real. and creating distrust in the united states, and around the world. what i find particularly interesting though, is most recently, when the european union said they could no longer show russia today, and sputnik radio in europe, we see here on the united states had not stop that disinformation, or propaganda. that is clearly part of the arsenal of war. what do you say to that? >> what i don't like is that we allow russia and other authoritarian countries to do to us what we are now essentially -- not allowed to do, program and broadcast on such scale. trying to absolutely blocks out western tech companies, western

informational. so i don't like that aspect of it, i think it should be something a quality related. secondly, those allies, they'll blocked, they have some -- in the audience base. you can think of it as russian propaganda, inside russia and the russian language, it's in western countries. and in western languages, french, german, spanish. and english. and in the united states to. many of this is part of the effectiveness from russia they do it in all the fees languages and audiences. they do it every day, in cordova -- coordinated and unified ways, because the messaging is consistent. we think in the west that the truth will always win, but you can't to speak the truth and hope it finds its way to every year. you have to amplify it. that's the position is in the worst >> it's as if they actually understand the blame

>> and >> i want to get a reaction to this. zelenskyy described the importance of the donbas region to the war on ukraine. and winning the upcoming battle and for reasons of safety, a grouping that is located in, donbas this is one of the best military we have. russia wants to encircle and destroy it. it is nearly 40,000 people. 44,000 professional military men, who survived a great war from the beginning of 2014. this battle, and it can happen, so there will be several battles, we don't know how knew i don't trust the russian military and leadership. that is why i'm from that

direction, it doesn't mean that they are able to capture donbas, they won't come further towards kyiv. >> clint, leaning into your expertise, i would say that the ukrainian parliament -- parliamentary leaders, whether we are talking about them or other elected leaders, they understand how to communicate. what can we learn here in the u.s. that they are doing so well? >> i, think number one thing, is that they're not scared. i remember the person, will say stay out, there do it every day, and it's remarkable. he's a very good spokesman, he's effective at delivering a message, and he knows how to do this. he's remarkably good during the

conflict. the next thing, is that persistent, president zelenskyy and his team are very persistent in terms of their messaging, and getting it out day in and day out. and they do it in a video format which is particularly important. they also understand the necessities of being the situation that they are in. so the conversation on the donbas was close and declare, but i don't. they are trying to defend and what we've seen russia do overtime is incrementally take pieces of the ground, and going further and further. >> clint watts, nbc national security and health law governor's latest idea on -- -- and hundreds of millions of dollars in, losses this is velshi, we'll be right back.

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economic repercussions that would come down the pipe. miles and miles of trucks stuck in traffic, log jams, if trucks cannot move that means train roads will break down. and that means millions of dollars in losses for companies. shipping delays for all of us. have a challenger in the upcoming governor's race said, this quote, it's going to be very bad for the texas economy. it's going to be very bad for the national -- national economy. governor abbott walked back the policy, after reaching a deal in for second states, which share the texas border. the damage has been done, clearly this debacle is not good news for him. especially in the year that he is up for reelection. but do abbott republican supporters care? i guess we find out in november. joining me now is my great

friend jonathan caver. jonathan will be joining us later today. better or, worse we're gonna come out and talk about what is happening at the border, and how he reveals what greg -- abbott was doing. we will also talk about title 42, and whether it should be phased out, in the way that the biden administration is going to do it we also have a, public safety and new york city when i don't know how. we are also gonna be talking about attacks on rights. attacks on abortion rights that are happening around the states, in anticipation of the supreme court ruling, that have an impact on roe v. wade, but also attacks on the trans community as a time when, or sorry, i should say, attacks on trans women, particularly women of color. they are being murdered around the country.

this happens when states around the countries are dropping was that they provide gender affirming care for kids. so we got a lot to talk about sunday. >> i think it's always sunday news, and you have to understand what republicans are doing makes me understand that they don't want -- they want freedom of government, they're all in the business. thank you for having this questions and thank you for easter. >> some people that is what they are really about. but yes, yes. >> who will those of the people be? no, you will, right after this. stick around, jonathan, right after the velshi show. a group of lawmakers in ohio have been blocked four times by the supreme for preventing pro dissenting, we'll be right

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that's how a group of black lawmakers in florida describing governor desantis's latest map -- it would help republicans pick up more house seats in the fall and essentially dilute black voting power. desantis is particularly determined to overhaul the fifth congressional district, which extends from jacksonville to tallahassee. that seat is currently held by democratic congressman al lawson, who is black. in losses district, 44% of eligible voters are black and they would be shifted into different districts, altogether, to make the math more republican friendly. desantis says he wants to make the fifth congressional district, quote, race neutral. and he's been pushing for the eraser of the district since january, when he alleged it was only drawn to contend a race and nothing else. meanwhile, in ohio, republicans have been shut down four times, four times, by the state

supreme court for break for unfairly drawn congressional maps. they have until may six to come up with a new map but, while they're at it, they're working, to quote, impeach the chief justice who has dummied their maps many times. however, democrats and wisconsin weren't so lucky. after their democratic governor drew out approved map, the wisconsin supreme court pushed and pushed through a new map saying the governor's map was, quote, incorrectly adopted. joining me now, joyce vance, a former attorney in alabama. and msnbc columnist and co-host of her podcast, sisters of law. and marina jenkins, a litigation director in the -- . ladies, thank you so much for joining me. i want to start with, you choice. how unusual is it for a map to be approved and then withdrawn, like in the case of wisconsin? >> so, nothing that's happening

in this redistricting cycle as usual. because we're operating under a greatly restricted environment, with the newly-conservative 63 supreme court. which seems to have a special jurisprudence for voting, much like it has shown for abortion. where is willing to ignore principles that were previously in play. that's why we're seeing this process, where state supreme courts and state legislatures are newly emboldened to cut back on maps that really try to give effect to principles like preserving minority voting power. and that's the reason we're seeing this wet, in my judgment, it's a very unusual process of going back and forth. drawing maps isn't easy, it requires using experts, eric choirs looking at populations and demographics. and, of course, where in the cycle because of this most recent census. it's those new census numbers that are used to decide what the voting district will look like for the next ten years. and that's why this process is being fought so doggedly on both sides, it's because

determines political control in many cases for ten years to come. >> arena, we talk about the census actually being the true north of how these maps should be written. can you talk a little bit, then, about does not times coming out from desantis? saying that he doesn't want to have racial districts? it seems counterintuitive, when in fact we're seeing that the reason we saw such a large population group in the united states of because of people of color. >> yeah, it's entirely disingenuous and, as you know, racist. the theme across these states is what can republicans do to stand in the way of the improved and the equal access to the ballot for communities of color. in florida, they're saying the quiet part out loud. desantis has said that he doesn't think there should be a district that gives black voters the opportunity to elect the candidate of their choice. that is deeply problematic,

deeply unsettling. and we are now at a point in the discourse of this country where we are back to simply saying that republicans are simply saying that we don't think black voters should have these rights. >> so, joyce, this comes to the essence of the gutting of the voting rights act. that's why we're here. the gathering of the voting rights act said that the federal government, all of a sudden, you don't have to go through preclearance with many of these maps. and, as a result, it is creating this lopsided view of who should have access to the voting booth and who should be gerrymandered or not. can you talk a little bit about the impact that the voting rights act has had on the state maps? >> sure. so, this is what we've watched happened since the supreme court decided the shelby county case, which got in section five of the voting rights act. that's the provision that you just referenced, that requires states with a history of discrimination to submit changes for preclearance, either to the justice department or to a three judge panel in washington. now that that process no longer

exists, states are feeling free to draw their maps in ways that clearly dilute black voting power in ways that are unconscionable. it's not just the states that we are talking about, this is a broadly based move. for instance, there is an alabama case already sitting at the supreme court. look, when these maps are drawn in a way that manages to make it impossible for black voters to elect the candidates of their choice, that we know something is wrong. and, although the supreme court has said that you can't challenge a gerrymander on political grounds, only on racial grounds. florida, for instance, has adopted a constitutional provision that prohibits political gerrymanders. so, there are a lot of provisions for voters to use and groups that care about voting rights to challenge these new laws. the question is, whether the courts will enforce them. >> maria, how is your organization looking to challenge, potentially, this map in florida? >> yeah, absolutely.

as joyce notes, there is a constitutional provision. they're called the fair districts amendments, in florida. there's not only a probation on partisan gerrymandering, but there is also a non retro aggression standard, much like what we had under section five of the voting rights act that the supreme court struck down. that says you can't diminish the voting power given to communities of color, give it to minority voters, once given. in fact, district five, in florida that you mentioned, congressman lawson's district is a district that was created as a result of litigation. and so, desantis is challenging the constitutional provisions themselves in this instance. he is not only trying to increase the power of republicans, decrease the power of black voters in florida, but he is actively asking the court to strip these provisions down. so, he is looking for a fight

in federal court, looking for a fight in state court. and, you know, i think one way or the other he's going to get it. >> joyce vance and marina jenkins, your boss ticket around to continue this conversation after a quick break. this is velshi, we'll be right back. ht back we've been married 53 years. we love to walk on the beach. i have two daughters and then two granddaughters. i noticed that memories were not there like they were when i was much younger. since taking prevagen, my memory has gotten better and it's like the puzzle pieces have all been [click] put together. prevagen. healthier brain. better life. >> tech: need to get your windshield fixed? safelite makes it easy. >> tech vo: you can schedule in just a few clicks. and we'll come to you with a replacement you can trust. >> man: looks great. >> tech: that's service on your time. schedule now. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪

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. ladies, i would like to play a piece of sound from president trump's speech from january 6th, 2021. take a listen. >> with your help we'll finally pass powerful requirements for voter id, you need an id to cast your check, you need an id to go to a store to buy alcohol. every person needs an id to cast the most important thing, a vote. we'll required a proof of american citizenship in order to vote in american elections. we just had a good victory in court on that one actually. we'll ban ballot harvesting and prohibit the use of unsecured drop boxes. these drop boxes are fraudulent.

they disappear and all of a sudden they show up. it is fraudulent. is fraudulent >> joy, i want to start with you, that piece of what he was saying basically he was telegraphing what the republicans were going to do after the election. now, let's remind everyone that all 50 states certified a fair and free election that joe biden is indeed president. he's telegraphing after that january 6th, january of 2021 over 400 voter id laws and some voter suppression laws were presented close to 19 states. can you speak a little bit about what we are seeing and how should that make an impression on the american people? >> so, what we hear from trump there is the myth, the republicans sponsored myth of voter fraud and the reality is a comprehensive analysis data over

decades of elections that voter fraud does not impact the outcome of elections. the real problem is voter suppression. that's what republicans are doing they use this myth of voter fraud making it difficult for black voters and other voters who they suspect likely to lean democratic to vote. it may say benign and that's how trump postures it there. in reality could be difficult if you are old and have the necessary kind of identification once you no longer have a driver's license. it is expensive to have a passport. these sorts of provisions really tamp down on minority voting and this is why this myth of fraud is so important to republicans, because it used them to sponsor all of these restrictive provisions. >> we saw in arizona they're

trying to do that as a clause. again, these are people already voted and as joyce mentioned, there is no real voter fraud except for mark meadows. that can be a different conversation, ladies. talk to me about what we can do to stop this train of voter suppression? >> it is incredibly distressing. the assault on democracy has been sort of endless and you know it has been a death bite a thousand cuts over the past several years. we are really facing it head on. there are lawsuits, challenging these restrictive voter laws across the country. there is a trial about to start in georgia where they'll be dealing with these sort of on the bus voter suppression bills have been replicated from state to state. and it says much of intimidation as it is about making sure a

vote once cast may not be counted if it is not for the right people they wanted to be for. and so you know one thing that normal folks at home can do is just, you know, get out to vote with their community as always. vote early. vote often. >> vote once, vote once. >> no, i think something you do mention and joyce, i want to get your input. when the redistricting map first came out earlier in year, people were concerned that this deck is going to get stacked against free access of voting booths particularly among people in color. how has the effort to making sure we are maintaining fair mass shovelled out right now? what are we seeing? >> it is a state by state process, which means it is

different in different states. it is important to acknowledge whatever party controls the legislatures try to add in its built-in lean district, this is not just a problem that republicans have. it is also important to note that it is republicans who are using redistricting process aggressively to try to take control of the maps and doing things like taking apart district 5 in florida which for a long time guaranteed black voters the right to participation. so, i think it is important to look forward. what do we do? people need to get registered and make sure they can stay registered because new laws make it possible for secretary of states in essence to move them from the rote voting rules. on the 89th day, everyone needs to go to vote.org and make sure to vote and take their friends around there to vote, too.

>> thank you, joyce and marina jenkins, thank you for joining us. that does it for me, my friend velshi will be back. today is a holy day. happy easter and happy ramadan, do not go anywhere, the sunday show with jonathan capehart is starting right now. he's expecting you. on this easter day, we'll look at what putin is up to eight weeks into the war. . plus, safety in the city, new concerns of crime in new york after that terrifying subway shooting. mayor eric adams joins me live to discuss.