tv Hallie Jackson Reports MSNBC April 20, 2022 12:00pm-1:00pm PDT
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♪ ♪ aleve x. its revolutionary rollerball design delivers fast, powerful, long-lasting pain relief. aleve it, and see what's possible. new from the pentagon this afternoon, more planeloads of u.s. heavy artillery including howitzers will soon be in the hands of the ukrainian military. training has begun. and even more military aid may be on the way. nbc news has learned the biden administration is expected to announce another $800 million package that would include more artillery and tens of thousands of artillery rounds. the additional military aid comes as the president is set to meet with top military officials in the next hour. and the treasury department announces new sanctions against
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russia and targets sanction evaders, including those producing cryptocurrency to do it. all of this while russia intensifies its attacks on mariupol in the south and the donbas in the east. good afternoon. i'm garrett haake in washington in for hallie jackson. and our nbc news correspondents are with me. shannon pettypiece is covering the white house. ali arouzi is in ukraine. and we're joined by jason beardsley, executive director of the navy advocacy group the association of the u.s. navy. so shannon, i want to start with you and those sanctions announced in the past hour by treasury. they seem mostly focused on people trying to evade previous rounds of sanctions. >> exactly, garrett. so for example, they're going after a key financial institution that the u.s. says is helping sanctioned clients continue to process payments in u.s. dollars, for example, if someone wanted to buy an expensive piece of art in new york city they would be able to process that transaction. they're going after an
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additional 40 individuals and entities. and they're putting visa restrictions on more than 600 russian nationals. and also interestingly i will note they are putting sanctions on the virtual currency mining industry. certain companies in that industry. which the administration says is a first for the u.s., to go after this virtual currency mining industry. but that they are accusing this industry of helping russia essentially continue to profit and monetize from their natural resources and their exports. so as you mentioned, garrett, this broader effort now that so many sanctions are in place to try and go after those places where businesses and entities are trying to evade those. >> yeah, i find the crypto part of this fascinating. a whole new world when it comes to sanctions and ways countries try to get around them. shannon, the president's also meeting with some top military officials in the next hour. this is the white house is getting ready, we have reported, to announce this other package of military aid to ukraine.
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what can you tell us about that? >> well, officials tell nbc news that this package is going to be pretty similar in size to the one we saw last week. that package last week was around $800 million. it included tens of thousands of rounds of artillery. it included things like protective vehicle, additional weapons systems. and this adds the total now of support that the u.s. has provided since february of about $3 billion. but of course as we have been reporting the struggle still continues to be getting this equipment to ukraine, training the ukrainians on how to use it. and then the question remains at what pace we're going to be able to keep up these supplies because the ukrainians are using thousands and thousands of rounds of artillery every week. this is equipment that takes years -- not years but i should say sometimes weeks or months to produce, to manufacture.
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so the u.s. clearly trying to do their part here but i think some key questions remain about how much they can do keeping up this pace. >> all the military analysts we've talked to said this next phase of the war is going to be very artillery focused. that all makes sense. shannon, i know you've got to run to the briefing. let us know if you get any news out of jen psaki today. ali arouzi, we heard from the pentagon this afternoon that russia has now added four additional battalion tactical groups in ukraine including three into donbas in the east where they've been stepping up their offensive sort of slowly but surely. what are you hearing? >> hi, garrett. that's right. they've intensified their attacks in the donbas, luhansk and donetsk region. they've been hitting the ukrainian front lines there quite persistently right now. and the russians have made some small advances. but it hasn't been this sort of lightning strike or blitzkrieg that they've tried in other places, especially in the north. so they are fighting along this sort of 300-mile line which is
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encompassing the south, the east, and the north of the country. and as you mentioned, this is becoming an artillery fight, and through that artillery they've been able to take the town of kreminna. but the ukrainians haven't let them advance in other areas. but as you mentioned, this is a major artillery fight. that's why the ukrainians keep saying we need more weapons, we need more weapons. we spoke to the governor of luhansk yesterday, and he goes if we have more artillery we can push the russian advance back but they're running low on supplies there. and the fear is that if the russians keep targeting the ukrainian artillery and wipe that out then they'll be able to advance into these areas with their tanks and that would give the russians a significant advantage in that area. >> and ali, the whole world's been focused on what's going on in mariupol. what's the latest on the situation there in the last ukrainian holdouts in that city?
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>> that's a complete disaster right now in mariupol. firstly from a humanitarian point of view there was a convoy of buses that were meant to go in there today and get out about 6,000 of those besieged civilians from that town. the russians again didn't honor that peace corridor, green corridor. so they couldn't get out. just several dozen people got out. and within that city, as the ukrainians in there describe it, it's hell on earth. we've heard from some of the brigades that are fighting in there. they are still fighting. but the situation has become so desperate for them they're saying that if a third country can broker a peace deal for them and get all the civilians and the fighters out of there as this point they'd be willing to do it because they are so outnumbered, so outgunned and any more time in there they would all probably die. so it shows how desperate the situation is, especially for the azov battalion that have been fighting so hard there since the beginning of this war. they're saying listen, if you can get us a corridor out of there we'll take it.
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and part of that is because they want to live to fight another day. but all the signs are that mariupol may fall to the russians in the next coming days. and that would be a significant blow to the ukrainians and a big victory for putin to sell to his domestic audiences. >> all right. ali arouzi in lviv, thank you. and i want to turn to jason beardsley now. so jason, ali kind of set you up there talking about the humanitarian implications about the battle in mariupol. but what about the strategic implications? why is that city the linchpin right now in this war? >> well, honestly, it's not quite a linchpin in a strategical battlefield sense. economically it's valuable long term, but that requires some stability. it's a port city. so it doesn't have deep penetration into the countryside. for russia. this is a city that's close to the border with russia and can be easily supplied from crimea. so for all that russia has spent to defeat the city, to topple
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it, there are very few strategic gains here because now they have to move north into the interior lines and the fact that they've been five weeks, six weeks, seven weeks trying to besiege this one city really turns around to be more of a strategical -- what's called an emotional victory for ukraine. and you can hear from the desperation that ali reported that if they're ready for a third country to come in and strike a peace deal that's a really bad sign that this thing is about to turn. but again, it's taken the russians such a heavy cost to do this and it affords them very little strategic penetration. so it's not their best play. they'll claim victory because i think it's a face-saving move by this point. >> and it keeps the world focused on the abuses that we've seen by the russian military across this country. jason, we're talking about this military training, more military equipment that's going into the country. now the u.s. is sending
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howitzers. american-made artillery. sort of different from earlier phases in the war where we were mostly trying to scrounge you p other soviet equipment that the ukrainians were trained on. talk a little bit about the challenges of getting the ukrainians up to speed on our materiel, both in terms of the howitzer specifically, you just heard ali talk about how this is going to be an artillery focused campaign but broadly these other weapons systems that are now being sent to the country. >> great questions. number one, it does take some time to train crews on how to use these. they have their own artillery pieces. they'll have familiarity in general with artillery sort of fighting. but our pieces in specific will pull out, folks train them and cause them to go back in and do a train the trainer mentality. but putting them into effective use immediately that's the toughest question because artillery pieces require different kind of battlefield sort of tactic where right now there have been a lot of hit-and-run guerrilla-style victories that the ukrainians have outmaneuvered the russian armored forces.
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but as soon as you put that artillery into play those are very less mobile, they are very vulnerable to air defenses, they require radar systems, they require forward observers to spot and assess targets, and then they've got to be fast at targeting enemy batteries, enemy artillery batteries. to do all that requires training, coordination, communication, and all of that is complex from the ukrainian standpoint because they're in a defensive mode. so to really get those to be effective the ukrainians are going to have to ingest these pieces quickly and then really carefully decide where they want to deploy them. and for my money their most effective use is going to be when russia masses their sort of armor or their ar tilltillery, s like mariupol, chernihiv, kharkiv. but it's going to require a much different mentality for fighting and if the ukrainians aren't used to that it's going to be a little tricky. >> last question for you.
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today russia says they tested a new nuclear-capable missile. now, i understand this was communicated to the pentagon beforehand. but putin apparently said this would give food for thought for those that try to threaten russia. what does it tell us relatively about how putin thinks the war's going, about what he's trying to project? >> well, i think it is a pretty good insight into what he's thinking. he is in desperate mode. he's trying to recover some victory. this was a disaster invasion. russian forces are not supplied well. their morale is low. they've had a lot of loss on the battlefield. so if he can get out of this with some face-saving victory, he'd like to manage that. so threatening nuclear war or talking about food for thought or leaving everything on the table, those are ploys from putin to try to keep the west from really interjecting in this. and really what putin needs is he needs a tactical retreat, some way to go out of this while remaining in power. and if the u.s. is smart about
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diplomacy here, what the president can do, what president biden can do is make sure that he's got, putin, that is, some sort of out that does not put him into a strategic sort of madman stance where he's willing to throw everything at this. so i think it's a lot of talk right now. he's doing a lot to suggest that he's willing to use every weapon. but so far what we've seen is a restraint on certain weapons in this war. that doesn't mean that he's the same player. it just means he has to dealt with what has been essentially a strategic loss for him. so look for good diplomacy to try to get out of this situation, but does not look easy. the best thing ukraine can do to turn this around is to kill russians effectively now, hand them a decisive blow. >> jason beardsley, appreciate the insight. thank you very much. and up next, we're going to go inside the january 6th committee and when they plan to take their investigation public. we're one on one with a member
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of the committee. and later, what you need to know if you are confused about when you still need to wear your mask and when you don't. plus, what the biden administration is doing and what they're not doing to fight climate change. the president's top climate adviser will join us live ahead of earth day. tums vs. mozzarella stick when heartburn hits, fight back fast with tums chewy bites. fast heartburn relief in every bite. crunchy outside, chewy inside. ♪ tums, tums, tums, tums ♪ tums chewy bites
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now to the january 6th investigation and new reporting on talks inside the select committee about a potential rewrite of the insurrection act. that's the law that gives presidents wide authority to deploy the military within the united states to respond to rebellion. just look at some of the times it was reportedly raised or discussed during the trump administration. "the new york times" noting former president trump threatened to invoke it to crack down on crowds protesting the police killing of george floyd. then there was the time his adviser stephen miller proposed using it to turn back migrants at the southern border. and of course after his defeat in the 2020 election some advisers encouraged him to
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declare martial law and deploy troops to seize voting machines. while some right-wing militia group members argued later they also encouraged the former president to invoke it. with me now is democratic congresswoman zoe lofgren of california, member of the january 6th select committee and chair of the administration committee. so congresswoman, i know you're one of those people who think the insurrection act means at least a review. i have to tell you opponents don't really want to change it. they want to be sure the president keeps these powers to deploy troops quickly if and when they need them. talk to me about where you think a review could lead, what kind of changes make sense here, and how quickly you could start. >> well, i mean, taking a look doesn't mean we'll conclude it needs to be changed. but it's worth pointing out that the secretary of defense refused to take action that he thought was contrary to law and he was fired for it. so that alone gives you a
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wake-up call when people have to be fired, you know, we should take a look at the parameters of the act itself and make sure that there are guardrails while still making sure that it's a tool available in appropriate cases. so i think we should take a look at that and several other statutes and see -- i'm sure you know we're taking a look at the electoral count act to see if that can be further refined. it's a very old statute, as is the insurrection act. to see if the terms can be made more precise. but -- >> are you confident -- are you confident you're going to have time to -- you know, if you're looking at may maybe for hearings, maybe june, finishing a report, then all of a sudden it's the summer, then the midterms. are you confident there's going to be time to make the changes that might be necessary to these laws in this congress? >> oh, sure. i mean, as you know, we've been taking a look at the electoral
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count act for some numbers of months, as have a group of senators. so it's really an issue can we reach a conclusion. congresswoman cheney and i have had a number of conversations with outside legal experts from left to right, and it's not a partisan issue. and i think we've made progress. it doesn't mean we'll reach a conclusion. but there's certainly time. this congress is in session until the end of december, first day or two of january. and there's a lot of time left to do good work. and as i say, we've done some of the legal work already. >> the select committee is still doing interviews. you had the fiance of donald trump jr., kimberly guilfoyle, in earlier this week. i know you're not keen to talk about individual interviews, but talk to me about where you are in this process. the idea of concluding at least the primary interviews you need
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to get done before you can move to open hearings. is that on track to happen anytime soon? >> yeah. we've made good progress. i would say the bulk of the interviews that we intend to make have been made. there are a few left outstanding. ordinarily we don't talk about who's come in for an interview. but i think since ms. guilfoyle was actually spotted by the press coming into the building it's obvious she was there. but there are quite a few other individuals left outstanding. as i say, i think it's over 800, 850 interviews that we've already had. so you can see most of it has occurred. >> my understanding is you've still got at least two difficult decisions to make when it comes to interviews about when or if to ask formally for the former vice president or the former president to come sit for an interview. what's the status of those discussions within the
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committee? >> well, the committee hasn't reached a conclusion on either one of those individuals. there are pros and cons. and we've had -- you know, the committee has been a consensus committee. we've never had any acrimony, and we reach conclusions together. and so that process is under way. >> i want to ask you very quickly if i can about these text messages that our colleagues and friends over at cnn reported between mike lee, chip roy, texting mark meadows really in the aftermath of the election leading up to january 6th. can you, a, confirm the veracity of those texts that have been reported and, b, shed any light on whether they tell us anything important about where your investigation is going or whether they just kind of tell us more about the incoming mark meadows was getting? >> well, the policy of the committee, unless there's a vote of the committee, we don't
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release information that we have, and no vote has occurred in this case. but i will just say if you read judge carter's decision in the eastman evidence case it's clear that the idea of -- that was being pursued to appoint alternate electors to overturn the election, what the judge says, this was a coup in search of a legal theory. it was, as he said, more likely than not a crime and was misconduct. >> i have a feeling we're going to hear a lot of that carter decision when those public hearings eventually get started. zoe lofgren of california and of the select committee. thanks for coming on. >> you bet. >> and still ahead, donald trump jr.'s on the 2022 campaign trail as we speak. we'll have who he's stumping for. but first, should the biden administration fight to reinstate the federal mask
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for millions of american travelers after a federal judge earlier this week struck down the federal travel mask mandate, leaving major airlines like delta, united and spirit to drop their passenger masking requirements but not some airports. the justice department saying on tuesday that it will appeal the ruling if, if the cdc thinks the mandate should stay in place. joining us now is nbc news reporter gary grumbach and dr. kavita patel. she's a former health policy adviser for the obama drings and a current nbc contributor. so gary, you made a mileage run down to atl yesterday. you're on the ground today at a metro stop here in d.c. how are you seeing people react to this new guidance, this confusion? >> reporter: hey there, garrett. the level here in d.c. far exceeds that in other parts of the country, atl included. but there's no mandate here in d.c. whatsoever. it's entirely voluntary to wear a mask if you want to. but that's not the case in every part of the country. up in new york the mta subway
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and bus system, masks are still required. and up in philadelphia masks are required indoors in locations indoors across the city but not at the 30th street station and not on septa trains either. so it's a lot of mixed messages from folks. here's what some folks i talked to have to say. >> i feel as though it's a lot of unexplained things going on. i feel like one minute wear them, the other minute don't wear them. so hey, i'm keeping mine on. >> confusing. absolutely confusing. and difficult to navigate in terms of what we should do, shouldn't do. options that we have and don't have. >> reporter: and this all comes as cases are on the rise here in d.c. and in 33 other states today. so while mandates may be changing, covid is keeping on. >> so dr. patel, gary mentioned it there. you have cases having a bit of an uptick especially in the northeast. obviously the decision to get rid of the mandate was a legal one made by a federal judge.
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from a public health standpoint do you think it's an appropriate time to make that decision? >> yeah, garrett, it's not an appropriate time to -- especially abruptly as it was done in mid-flight for some of these people, to take away masks. and here's why. we've got transmission going up. hospitalizations and deaths have not gone up. that can be a bit of a lagging indicator. it can take several weeks. but so far signs of severe illness are good. but garrett, honestly, all of those things, everything we've had up until now has been with these mask requirements in place. so even though cases are rising and deaths and hospitalizations are not, it's the worst time to take away these protections. i think the administration is in a bind, though. we're dealing with the politics of masks over the last two years, but omicron the virus itself does not care about the politics and it's actually changed the equation of what we need to do to stay safe. the masks make a lot more sense even than they did a year ago, garrett, when we had less contagious variants. >> doctor, break this down for
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me a little bit. if you're traveling in the next few days, next week or so, if you're healthy, no pre-existing conditions, would you recommend those folks wear a mask? and what about folks who may be compromised or traveling with kids who aren't able to get vaccinated? what do you recommend those folks do? >> no question if you're immunocompromised or if you have a household member or family member that's immunocompromised, kids under 5 or even elderly, my parents are over the age of 60, i recommend everyone in that group, first of all, get a booster if you're eligible and then wear a high-quality mask. n95s can be hard. i wear one for 12 hours. but a kn95 of high quality. or two surgical masks. but for healthy people who have been able to get vaccinated and boosted, maybe twice even, i would still recommend wearing a mask. here's why. number one, there are a lot of other respiratory illnesses we're watching. influenza, para-influenza. this is the worst time to get sick from work productivity when everybody is back at work. plus you really don't know who
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you're sitting next to, garrett. it's not about just you, it's also about the person who people down from you who might be immunocompromised. they don't wear a label. and the person next to you who's coughing. you do not want to be i achain of transmission. that's the key with something so contagious, more contagious than any variant we've seen before. it's not worth taking that chance, especially in close quarters. >> so for busy travelers like gary got to mask up the next time he's on i aplane. dr. patel, gary grumbach, thank you both. this afternoon both republicans are out in two key states for midterm campaign events. in ohio donald trump jr.'s been holding a forum with the former president's new senate pick there, j.d. vance. that's been happening over the last hour or so. vance said he was wrong in his past criticisms of donald trump. while in pennsylvania former president trump's secretary of state mike pompeo will be campaigning with senate candidate david mccormick in about an hour and a half even though of course pompeo's old
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boss trump endorsed mccormick's rival the celebrity doctor dr. oz. so with me now on the latest on all these big republican primaries is nbc's deputy political editor bridget bowman. so bridget, the vance case, here you've got someone who a lot of republicans were urging the former president not to endorse. now a few days later he's got the endorsement, he's got one of the maga world's biggest surgass, don jr., out there campaigning for him. we've already seen vance with an ad linking himself to former president trump. how much does the kind of full weight of the maga endorsement move the needle in vance's direction, do you think? >> reporter: yeah, garrett-i think it could move it pretty significantly. this is a really crowded primary, and we know that trump's endorsement can carry weight with republican voters. in our latest nbc news poll from march we found that 69% of republicans said they within more likely to vote for a candidate who has been endorsed by former president trump. the question for vance, though, and for others who have gotten
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trump's endorsement is do they have the resources, do they have the time to really make sure that voters know that they're trump's picks in these races. we've already seen $15 million spent in ads in the ohio senate republican primary alone. a couple of candidates spending millions of dollars of their own money. a ton of money pouring into this race with not a lot of time left for vance to make his case to voters. but he doesn't really need that high of a percentage of the vote to win this primary. just given how crowded the race is. >> the pennsylvania race seems way more complicated. here you've got mccormick, whose wife served in the trump administration. he's got mike pompeo's support. dr. oz over there on the other side backed by the former president. and also aapparently by the former first lady. what happens in these primaries that are all about trump world support, the maga world support, when that support is divided? >> yeah, well, it certainly shows the power that trump has over these primaries, right?
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that you have even candidates who didn't get trump's endorsement trying to prove themselves as allies of the former president by bringing out some of his former administration officials, by hiring some of his former campaign staff. the real question, though, is what weight does trump's endorsement himself carry in these races? and we're going to have a bunch of new data points to answer that question coming up this month, or the next month, rather, in may. with primaries not only in ohio and pennsylvania which we talked about but also in georgia with that governor's race, in north carolina with the senate race. so trump's endorsement is really going to be put to the test next month. >> you start to wonder when it's going to come with some of that money. the former president raising a ton of money. but that's a topic for another segment. bridget bowen, thank you very much. after the break president biden's national climate adviser joins us live as prospects for major federal action on climate change which just months ago seemed promising almost entirely evaporated.
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and we're back with a look at some of the other top stories we're following right now. wimbledon saying today they're banning all russian and belarusian players from this year's tournament because of russia's invasion of ukraine. the french open in late may is for now still allowing players from both countries. the rapper asap rocky was detained today at l.a.x. in connection to a shooting last november, according to law enforcement sources. the victim saying the musician shot at him multiple times and that one bullet grazed his left hand. asap was traveling from barbados with his girlfriend, rihanna. neither have commented on the case. and florida's state senate has passed a bill to strip disney world of its self-governing status. the governor asked the legislature to support it after the company was critical of what critics have called the don't say gay law that bans classroom
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discussions about gender identity and sexual orientation until third grade. the president is hitting the road this week touting his policy successes including his administration's effort to combat rising gas prices. as russian sanctions push oil costs to record levels. the administration resume's leases to drill for oil and gas on public lands just last week. but that's something candidate biden had promised not to do. even president biden once in office signed an executive order to block drilling leases in the arctic. but that was unblocked by a federal court. that drilling is now one of the administration's central tools to combat economic pressures worsened by russia's invasion of ukraine. i'm joined now by white house national climate adviser gina mccarthy. and adviser mccarthy, i want to ask you, president biden did try to cut down on drilling with executive authority, but the global conditions have shifted. americans' reliance on oil remains high. how does the country increase
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production, use of greener energy in the short term while still facing all of these challenges and this crisis, especially now in the short term? >> well, garrett, first of all, happy earth day and earth week. let me answer your question very directly. president biden remains absolutely committed to not moving forward with additional drilling on public lands. the challenge that we faced was that we had a court that ordered a new lease to be done. the department of energy had no choice but to put it out. but they also found ways to reduce the size of that and its impact. and we'll keep doing what we need to do to appeal those decisions and to make our case in a court because we know that there are laws that were written decades ago that challenge our understanding now of what the key issues are moving forward. and climate is certainly one of them. and president biden has already
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made historic progress on not just putting us back in the leadership position internationally but on the on the domestic front. we are making an irreversible change toward clean energy that no court is going to block because we're doing it in a legally solid way but we're also doing it in a way that the public will understand it's to their benefit. it is creating jobs for them. it's creating opportunities to save money for our families. we have -- >> but adviser mccarthy -- >> -- an opportunity to move forward -- >> are we really doing it? we just had the build back better dying, the clean energy provisions in it, a lot of it stripped out. that seemed to have been the big legislative train leaving the station. and big climate action wasn't on it. >> no, i actually, i would disagree with you. the bipartisan infrastructure law that the president actually helped to design was passed in congress that had well over a trillion dollars in investments. and that investment has key
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opportunities to actually move to a clean energy future. we're talking about creating an ev infrastructure for charging stations because our automakers now have worked with us on tough standards that recognize that clean energy is the future, including electric vehicles. and we have public sector investments that are moving forward. we've already created the domestic offshore wind industry that is gigantic. the president has already called on the defense production act to make sure that we are keeping the critical minerals and producing them in the united states of america so that we can shift to clean manufacturing. and truly rebuild not just our ports but the heartland of america. so we have created an opportunity to shift to a clean energy future that is historic in nature, and it's not done yet. we need more action from congress without question, garrett. but we worked through the
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bipartisan infrastructure law. we will work through this. and no matter what, we have tremendous ability in the administration to take the actions we need to give our kids a healthy and secure future. that's what we're all about and we're going to keep pushing. >> and i know you were pushing for half a trillion dollar in build back better. we'll see what becomes of that legislation. i have to ask you, though, the u.n. secretary-general said the other day -- he talked about a litany of broken climate promises, talking about the new u.n. climate report coming out. do you worry about unfulfilled pledges on things like climate, on things like gun violence, we talked about it yesterday with a different guest, being depressing to voters who supported democrats, who supported this president, really wanting big changes that they are not yet seeing on these issues? >> well, garrett, i think people are in their own communities seeing significant change. that's what the bipartisan infrastructure law can do.
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because we've already put out resources that are going to help our schools get more efficient, help consumers find savings and making more efficient home choices. we're looking at opportunities to move forward with new technologies and investments and innovation that have never been done before. we had the biggest year ever in solar energy. it's not just a sideline anymore but it's a central way in which we're supplying clean power to our communities. and so we do feel like we've made tremendous success. we do feel like the bipartisan infrastructure law can ensure that environmental justice communities get their fair share getting the lead pipes out, getting the lead paint out of the system, getting the pollution sites fixed and cleaned, moving forward with investments in those communities like never before, because after all, even climate change is not a planetary problem, it's a people problem.
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and president biden is entirely focused on how we can make government work for the people. and if we keep our focus on opportunities to address and tackle climate in a way that will benefit families across the united states, then momentum will move forward. hope will win over the challenges that we face so that we can move forward as a world and address the biggest existential challenge of our time. >> all right. gina mccarthy, white house national climate adviser. we've got to leave it there. happy earth week to you as well. and up next, nbc news exclusive reporting. what key border operations could be completely out of money within just a few months, and who the biden administration might ask to foot the bill. or waiting for the 7:12 bus... or sunday afternoon in the produce aisle. these moments may not seem remarkable. but at pfizer, protecting the regular routine, and everyday drives us to reach for exceptional.
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julia, they can run out of money as early as july? >> that's right. i.c.e. and cpb predicting to run big shortfalls. a prediction based on the numbers staying the same with 8,000 border crossers a day running out of money by september but if the numbers double which might be likely they could see budget shortfalls on crucial operations by beginning of july so they need more money to transport, feed, provide medical care and shelter. think about how jove crowded the detention facilities have been in the past. without overwhelming the border or a bottleneck. now it is up to dhs and the white house to figure out where to get the money. they can pull from other agencies but they can only reprogram 10% so it may come down to asking congress or
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trying to come up with a new plan. >> all right. julia who broke the rocky story. get you a reporter who can do both. >> okay. another story, politico reporting american bridge 21st century spending $3.5 million on ads in key swing states. the goal is to boost president biden and his initiatives, especially on issues like the economy. joining us is kimberly schneider. president biden's not on the ballot. what are the ads trying to do? >> they're trying to boost the favorability which we have seen fall to high 40s which is not a great look for biden but a bigger problem for democrats and the ballot that hope for a higher presidential rating to
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help them. >> is this trying to change the political environment opposed to individual house and senate democrats in some places? >> that's exactly it. it's trying to by boosting biden the idea to lift all boats and help democrats in several key states and the four states are places that biden won in 2020 so the idea is that these are voters that might be open to a positive message about the president and even though as the races also feature state that is he won they also feature big house and gubernatorial races that divide the margins in 2023. >> is there a thematic messaging? issues to raise the standing on? if you're not living in those
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states what will they be seeing on television? >> a lot of economic messaging. that's what they talk about. when i was speaking with a top staffer at american bridge they said if we can't hold the numbers on the economy nothing else matters. cost of living, inflation. acknowledging the challenges that voter face and deal with every day and point out that biden is working on the issues, aware of the problems. and helps this idea that biden is maybe not the cause of the problems but trying to fix them so that's what they will be focusing on in the midterm messaging. >> i feel like there's discussion about the debate between take what you have done and sell it like we heard from gina mccarthy and we need to do more to lift the fortunes ahead
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of the mid terms. sounds like the superpac is reminding people of what the white house and the administration has done. no? >> i think that there's a bit of a both and and sell what the administration has done and acknowledge the realities that people are in pain and do it in light touches that's not heavy handed but a light acknowledgement that things are tough out there and sort of an answer to that is what is biden doing or trying to do to fix the issues? the question is whether or not voters believe the ads and that biden is focused on the issues trying to do something about it. that's the key question here. >> all right. politico national campaign reporter, thank you for coming on. thank you for watching this hour. "deadline: white house" starts
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