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famous advice, sometimes we will speak softly and carry a large javelin because we're sending a lot of those in as well. >> and announcing how he plans to streamline red tape to keep his praumps of p -- promise. >> i'm announcing a program, unite for ukraine, a new program to enable ukrainians to come directly from europe to the united states. it will provide an expedeiate channel for secure legal migration for ukrainians who have a u.s. sponsor, such as a family or an ngo. >> and the president challenged vladimir putin's claim today that his troops now control the strategic port city of mariupol, where ukrainian fighters and some of their families have been barricaded for weeks in a steel plant. >> it's questionable weather he does control mariupol. there is no evidence yet that

mariupol is completely fallen. >> in kyiv today, president zelenskyy told reporters that while russia does control a major part of mariupol, ukrainian troops are still defending some of their strong holds there. russian forces are making gains in the donbas with the governor saying 80% of the luhansk region is under russian control. joining me is senior correspondent, kelly o'donnell, matt bradley in kyiv and former chief of staff at the pentagon and cia and the president of the counsel on foreign relations. matt bradley, first to you. the focus on ukraine is on the troops still in the fight in the steel factory in mariupol and the fighting of course, throughout the donbas. let's talk about that and where you see it shaping up, verses what vladimir putin is claiming and of course what the president is doing today. >> reporter: yeah, andrea.

if vladimir putin is to be believed, then the fight for the steel works has ended. he declared he wouldn't be storming or sending his soldiers into what amounts to an underground sit aunder the steel works. when we talk about the size and strength of the steel works themselves, of the actual infrastructure, it's formidable. it's almost a medieval readout. vladimir putin has said he isn't going to send his troops in. we can see he did this on a larger scale around kyiv and around the northeastern city of kharkiv where, instead of declaring defeat, saying he had to surrender and withdrawal to retreat, he declared vilkry. and that's what a lot of military analysts are are saying now. he's trying to say that he's trying to save his troops and the 1,000 civilians left inside the steel works.

but it really does look as though he feels it would be a protracted fight to snuff out these thousands of ukrainian marines who, so far, have put up such a blistering resistance to this incredibly strong campaign. this place has been pummelled for the last two months. looks like this is vladimir putin stepping down and turning to his people with some sort of propaganda twist on what happened. so, this is something, again, we're not expected to believe vladimir putin him isself. he's probably just trying to save face. >> thanks so much to you in kyiv. and kelly o'donnell, the president approving this big new aid package, the second in two weeks. although some military experts want to see tanks and more weapons. he's sending howitzers and a lot of ammo.

they're going to face russian tanks. this is a different battle field. >> and an evolving set of concerns in terms of what they are requested and the president is making cheer the funding is reaching a point where he needs more available funds. he's been using what's known as a draw down to be able to, with the stroke of a pen, make these resources available to move them, to fast track them to ukraine as quickly as the logistics allow. but now says he has to go back to congress to ask for additional funding to provide ongoing military support for ukraine. so, that will put pressure politically on members of congress and there has been bipartisan support for this. but getting money passed always presents certain challenges to get that done. and components in the package have been trying to address some of the things ukrainian officials have said they need, including munitions and certainly there are the

questions about tanks and ways to fight the battle in two ways. is it to defend themselves or try to have a more offensive capability to push back and defeat russia? and there can be a different answer depending on how you look at the aid packages. it's more than $3 billion the u.s. has provided. partners in europe and elsewhere in nato have been supportive as well. is and the president is also looxing to answer the question of what to do about ukrainian refugees who want to come to the united states. the u.s. believes many want to settle in europe to be closer to family and closer to home but as you pointed out, he's got a new program to make a pathway for them to come here. andrea. >> and trying to explain how to cut that red tape and not have a replay of what happened with the afghan refugees. your old boss told us this is a pivotal time.

it's going to decide the outcome of the war. if they can get the weapons they really need to stop the russians in donbas, would be a real signalilities are time to leave and not try to regain other territory, not try to get the land bridge, not get to o derks esa. all of that. so, is he getting what he needs now in order to not just hold them off and have a long stalemate but actually push them back? >> this military package announced by president biden today is very significant. it's $800 million, which raises the total to 700 billion and includes several dozen howitzers, phoenix ghost drone systems and other artillery pieces. with weapons they can deploy right now to impose significant costs on russia. and that's, i thing, the key strategic objective is to make

them bleed out slowly so that even if they retain a presence at the end of the day, in the donbas, which is essentially where they were twh shooting started in march, even if they retain a presence there, they will regret anything that they undertook to advance forces forward and deter them from any further military incursion. i think it's critically important that the west, the u.s., other allies continue to arm ukrainians so they can impose is severe costs on the russians. >> and i want to also talk to you about the army in france. you have the critical election, the rematch between france's president and the challenger, the long time putin supporter. she helped finance her last campaign against macron with millions of euros from russian banks. last night macron in their only debate, macron pinned her town on the fact that she's not

repaid the loans and still tied to vladimir putin. >> you are in fact in russia's grip. in 2015, you, madam, took out a loan with the first czech russian bank, which is close to the authority. so, you're not talking about other leaders but your banker when you mentioned russia. >> why was i forced to takeute loan? >> so, you took one out? >> and no french bank agreed to give me a loan. >> look, 2015 was when you took that loan out. you still haven't paid it back. >> it takes a while to pay back a loan. we repay our loan every single month. under supervision of the campaign oversight party. >> look, you still haven't paid it back. >> it's true that we are a political party with a not a lot of resources but there's honor in that. >> there's nothing wrong with that but there's a dependency thing.

so many of your choices can be explained by the link of this relationship. >> this is simply not true. >> i still have loans, like all of our fellow citizens to buy a house, a car, to use your examples. but we have not gone and taken a loan out in russian banks. >> so, richard haas, if her populous right wing should win, what what would be the impact on the solidarity in the ukrainian war? >> the good news is i think she and her party are unlikely to win. she was behind in the polls before the debate. she didn't have a break through moment and the timing couldn't be worse given what's going on with ukraine and the war. she was on the defensive. but if she were to score an upset, vladimir putin would be toasting it. it would ownen a major alliance.

you'd probably have france not supporting sanctions, pull back from the integrated military command. the first major breach in what has been an unprecedented united front of 30 nato countries. so, it would be a major development in the crisis and a real breakthrough for mr. putin. but i think the smart money is betting against it. >> and you already have hungary. you've had a populous move in eastern europe until the putin invasion of ukraine. there's a real question as to what would happen if someone like marie le pen, who's tried to be more moderate in her approach and appearance and language. but there was plenty of evidence that russia had intervened the last time around and done things through theron line propaganda and covertly to help her

campaign. we don't even know what's going to happen in the vote count this time. thanks for that. overall, how would you score how nato is doing so far? >> well, you'd have to say remarkably well. nato wins a most revived alliance in the world. most improved compared to a cup 068 years ago. militarily stronger than it was with the additional deployments. you have commitments to spend more funds, germany and elsewhere. and the fabric of the alliance, the trust, the consul orientations is far, far better. even if mr. putin decides he must escalate, and change the nature of the war, i think he would think twice before attacking a nato country given its solidarity and what i think is the increasingly clear cut disparity between the capabilities of russian armed forces and the capabilities of

the west. >> do you think the u.s. can continue at this pace? $800 million last week, 800 million this week. they're going to have to go back to congress. they're also doing 500 million in economic aid. donors all over washington. imf donors being asked to ribuild ukraine at some point. so, ukraine is an open wound, really. the largest country in europe. >> yeah, i think its early days a new ukraine. the task at hand is to accelerate weaponry they can use particularly in the south and east. and i think president biden's statement we're going to speak softly and carry a large javelin is you're not going to hear

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in reaction to vladimir putin's invasion of ukraine with, two countries on russia's doorstep could soon join the nato alliance, finland and sweden. finland's parliament has debating the prospect of joining right now. they meet all the requirements but has long stayed out of the alliance. a policy dating back at the 1940s after the soviets invaded finland during the winter war. but everything changed when they attacked ukraine. said russia jeopardizes the stability of the whole area. this is a critical moment, a dramatic change, at least given the russia invasion.

russia's made the threats about putting nuclear weapons on your border. so, how has the ukraine war -- how has russia's illegal war affected the whole attitude towards nato inside your country? >> first of all, thanks for having me. and i think usually the support for joining nato was between 20 or 30% in my country. basically, overnight, after the attack, it shot up to 50, 60, even further. so, i think the fins are drawing conclusions that russia, basically, fundamentally stepped out of the frame in which they existed for the last 30 years. they started an illegal, totally unprovoked war. this is the basic observation by-fins that things have changed. >> how frightened are the finish people of this threat by --

speak of the kremlin, to put troops on the border? >> so far what they've said, it will always stay within the certain frame that has been in place for last ten years. so far we haven't heard really any new things. i think the fins are are right to feel some concern. i would say, as i said, what the russian reaction might be, this is aactually fully in line with our expeck orientations. >> they changed the posture along the border? >> no. mos of the troops on the russian side are actively engaged in ukraine. >> you're said to have is a very fine navy and air force.

tell me the advantage of the security alliance. >> i think for us, we've been remember [ inaudible ] past 30 years. i think we're so close to nato that you can't get any closer than simply becoming a member. there's a high degree of integration. almost two decades, that we might apply for membership. so, there are no surprises for the russians either. i think for us, it's -- if you decide to join, i don't see it from neutrality, because we haven't been neutral since 1995, when we joined the european union. if we decide to apply, it would mean a last step in a long road, which we have already basically covered. >> but could russia see this as

a provocation? and would you need security guarantees during the grey zone between the time when you apply and when it finally goes through, which are requires the unanimous agreement of all thirty nato members? is >> the more strong the alliance and more fast alliance is in sort of giving the signal, if finland decides to apply, that they would provide support in case. more unified and stronger the alliance would be. i think it would go a long way to prevent any provocation taking place. obviously finland always feels we're mainly responsible for our security ourselves. so, we're already increasing our military budget, we're increasing our defense capabilities, which are already one of the really strong countries in europe. i think we are sort of trying to make all we can to make sure

that we are safe. even in the case of application. >> how important would it be to you to have sweden join as well? we saw sweden's prime minister with your prime minister in stockholm, and would you want sweden to do this together sort of in tandem? >> obviously sweden is an independence country and so is finland. they have to make their own decision. given the long-standing historical ties within our countries, given the location, given the extremely high degree of military cooperation within our countries, personally, i would find it rather illogical to arrive at different conclusions. from this post. so, whatever happens, i hope that we will be on the same page with the swedes. but as i said, it's an independent decision on both countries. >> you were also finland's

ambassador to moscow. youbl are been a kremlin watcher. what do you think his end game is? do you think if ukraine can fight back and stop him at the donbas that he might pull back or do you think this is going to be a long, protralkted struggle where he is over powering numbers against ukraine? >> i don't think he's going to give up. if the russians are stopped so they can't make progress, i don't think that's the end of the war. i think russian leadership is committed to a solve the ukrainian issue. i don't think there's any short term solution to this, even in case of ceasefire, i would basically assume that it would be really difficult to remove the core reasons for this conflict and i think the core reason is actually russian idea

of they feel they absolutely need to control ukraine. unless they get rid of this idea, accept independence for ukraine. i think it's rather difficult to sustainably solve the conflict. >> so, you don't think ukraine can survive as long as vladimir putin has this idea? >> i think ukraine has survived as an independent country as long as they can defend themselves and get sufficient demands of support. i think we are unified behind ukraine, finland is accepteding lethal support to ukraine. i think ukrainians are are just actually wrote a column today to the finish press and my conclusion is ukraine is an independent. so, i'm totally optimistic about that. the only question is what happens before the russians will

come at the conclusion that somehow they have to really find the relationship they have with the ukrainians. i believe that they will come one day. >> are you surprised by the brutality, the atrocities? >> no. >> really? >> no. >> it's been shocking to the world to see. >> shocking but many of the incidents and many of the level of brutality, i think it's -- they're not so many surprises. it's shocking nevertheless. >> it's a great pleasure to see you. thank you very much. >> thank you. and safe escape. urgent calls for humanitarian corridor out of mariupol. we'll speak to the international red cross live from the frontlines of ukraine next. e frontlines of ukraine next my a1c stayed here, it needed to be here.

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as we've reported, vladimir putin is claiming the fallen steel plant in mariupol is securely blocked and that the rest of the city has been liberated. president biden says there is no evidence to back up that claim. ukraine's deputy prime minister is calling for a humanitarian corridor to evacuate a thousand civilians and 500 wounded soldiers still inside the plant. the demand made by president biden today. >> one thing we know about mariupol, he should allow a humanitarian corridor for people in the steel mill and people buried under rubble to get out. that's what any head of state would do under such a circumstance. >> and joining me from ukraine, director of operations for the international committee of the red cross.

dominic, thank you very much for be with us. we know the icrc have been trying to help people out of mariupol. we keep hearing about people being blocked. any corridor safely been opened up? >> the sit wagsds continues to be extremely difficult, especially for the remaining population in mariupol, where extremely heavy fighting is taking place. we're working day and night, trying to get people out from mariupol. but for now, we just don't have an agreement by both parties that would allow for such an operation of safe passage to take place and that is why all that you see is trickling out of a few cars here and there. under exfreemly difficult

circumstances. concerned about the remaining people in mariupol. >> so, we're hearing terrible reports, desperation, ukrainian residents without food, without water. how have they been able to survive now going on towards two months? >>. >> you're absolute lee right. the situation nus be hellish. we've had our own people in mariupol until about the 10th/11th of march and then when they had to leave, they told us how difficult it was already then. people sheltering in cold and damp basements. food was running out. so, it must just all be so much more difficult right now and that's why we continue to try

working on an agreement that would allow more people to leave this terrible situation. >> and we've seen that your teams are delivering supplies in ukraine and administering first aid throughout the country. talk to us about your mission more broadly in ukraine. >> we indeed have more than 600 staff on the ground of our own organization. we are working hard also, of course, with our partner of the ukrainian red cross. and our priority is really those most effected areas of the country in the east and the south is and intensifying at the priority is definitely life-saving assistance into some of the frontline areas, getting people out. we have done a number of these equations. most recently out of donbas.

and elderly people who really needed assistance to get out but more needs happen and especially what we need to see is better respect of the civilian population in these heavily affected towns by fighting. >> it's just a horrific situation. thanks so much for what you're doing. we appreciate it. thanks for the report. and mandate mayhem. the justice department's new appeal on the travel mask mandate that coulded a to the kung fusion. this is "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. this is "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. hi, i'm debra. i'm from colorado. i've been married to my high school sweetheart for 35 years. i'm a mother of four-- always busy. i was starting to feel a little foggy. just didn't feel like things were as sharp as i knew they once were. i heard about prevagen

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>> well, you saw in the white house's response and a little bit of the time it took the white house to respond, some of the confusion, politics at play and just the reality that they were initially caught off guard by this ruling and this is sort of another champal that highlights the tension the administration is dealing with, which is wanting to do what is best for the health of the country and preserve the authority of the cdc that's obviously a very deliberate contrast to president biden's predecessor. this administration has made placing health and science first and foremost while dealing with the reality that we're two years into the pandemic and it's arer a deeply partisan issue; that a lot of people don't want to wear masks. and you saw that when, midflight, pilots announced you don't have to wear masks, there are stories of people cheering and stories of people quite

panicked, maybe flying with a child under five who can't get a vaccine and has a tough time keeping on a mask as everyone unmasks. this is ground zero for the challenges this administration has been dealing with, with covid sings they took office. >> and the politics of this, covid was already politicized. they inherited that but it's become so confusing. you have new york state not taking the masks off, philadelphia putting masks on. but you have situations where you're on the subway and you're masked and you get off the subway and you're not. airports are not masks. domestic flights arant. international flietsz are. >> this is one more symptom of the polarization. red america/blue america divide. who knew something as simple as the covering of your face would be such a wedge issue but it has.

and masks are perfectly a good idea in red states but you're politically pushed away from them by the guys the moment in the blue states. there's a great deal pressure on people to wear masks in public places. it's amazing and one more symptom of our times. and you're right they're confusing messages. the patchwork quilt of requirements and rules will only confuse people going forward. in the endic what you see is the throwing up of the hands. it's a bad precedent but they're no longer really fighting at this point for mandates whether it be masks or vaccines or anything else. they recognize the pandemic is over as a matter of politics and things like masks are going to be a personal decision. >> i want to talk to you both about something that rattled

people in congress. the whole complex was evacuated around 6:30 last night. our colleague was on the roof right -- where i'm sitting right now. looking out over the capitol in union station. saw the parashooters coming down in a small plane. we never see airplanes over head because this is a protected zone for many reasons. and turns out it's a failure to communicate of an army parachute team. on a plan landing and operation on the nearby national stadium. just about a mile from the capitol dome. so, how does that happen? peter, first to you. everyone is so rattled because it's so soon after january 6th. >> a remarkable breakdown of communication that they wouldn't have notified such an important

agency that this was going to happen. not exactly the first time weave are had air stunts in and around the national park. i mean it's something they ought to have pretty much down when it comes to routine and communication yet they didn't. you saw a very blistering statement from the house speaker very angry about this. most members arant in town but it's a scary situation for their staff and those members around who have an alert like that come out at 6:30 given the history, january 6th and the memories of 9/11, the idea something as simpleal and easy as a stunt in the baseball park would cause this sense of -- remind us of national trauma is pretty remarkable. >> and ashley, speaker pelosi really slammed it. the faa put out a statement saying perhaps they didn't communicate well enough.

the federal aviation administration -- well, the speaker's statement was parent failure to notify of the preplanned fly over is inexcusable. >> you see in the statement her real anger, which is that the context matters and especially after january 6th. i covered congress for three years and there were big moments there and i could tell my mom don't worry there's nowhere safer and there's real trauma for lawmakers reporters, their staff who experienced that day. something is benign and wonderful as this nationals park when there's miscommunication, it's devastating and traumatic so close to january 6th. >> ashley, it's great to see you and peter. thanks so much. and fight for control. republicans gaining steam in key races. so, what's driving the shift?

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qs with democrats bracing for potentialal blow to their majorities in november, in pennsylvania, the open seat where republican senator, pat toomey is retiring. donald trump has endorsed dr. oz. but mike pompeo was campaigning for hedge fund millionaire married to a former trump white house official. we caught up with pompeo. >> president trump did not endorse mccormick. do you think that was a mistake? >> dave mccormick is the right guy to be the next senator for pennsylvania. >> not answering the question. tasha burns now joins us from

harrisburg, pennsylvania and from the clint political report for a look at what could happen in the house. and a political associate editor and columnist. those two primaries in pennsylvania, crowded fields on both sides. a really expensive one on the republican side with two very well self-funded candidates spending a as much as $18 million of their own money. >> and an expensive race and a fierce fight. and of course both gop front dd runners were pushing hard for the endorsement. last night at the rally what we saw in dave mccormick was a candidate styling himself in the mold of the america first candidate, talking fwlut border, talking about building the wall, talking about the economy and of course the headliner there, former secretary of state mike pompeo who was, at one point,

one of the truch's favorite candidate members. and he said mccormick will put the american agenda first. can you be the american-first candidate without the backing of the guy who created thatwell. almost all of them voted for trump. those folks i am going to play for you now, they voted for trump twice. here's their take on mr. trump's endorsement of oz. >> what do you think of him? >> hollywood shmutz. >> i have to agree. >> former president trump did endorse dr. oz. what did you make of that endorsement? >> sour grapes against a good guy. >> reporter: andrea, on the other side tonight, it's a big night for the democrats. lieutenant governor john fedderman will be on the debate stage for the first time face-to-face with conor lamb, who has been turning up the heat

on fedderman as he's very much been ahead in the polls and in fund-raising. this is high, high stakes for democrats. this might be their best chance at gaining a senate seat. >> thanks, dash sha. dave wasserman, your political report moving eight house seats toward republicans this week, seeing these seats becoming more competitive, including abbail, the democratic congresswoman in virginia, now a toss-up. what are you seeing around the country? >> that's right, andrea. you know, when your president is at 42% approval rating and you're seeing an enthusiasm gap, the latest nbc poll had republicans -- 67% of republicans at a 9 or 10 on their enthusiasm scale about the midterms compared to 50% of democrats, even a lot of seats that joe biden carried by high single digits or even low double digits in 2020 are at risk.

currently, we read 27 democrat-held seats as toss-up or leaning republican, and republicans only need to pick up five seats to take control of the house. democrats aren't getting the help they thought they old get from redistricting, especially after governor ron desantis in florida has rammed through a congressional map that could get republicans an additional four seats there. >> you have the president now trying to save the house. he's been campaigning, two trips last week, he was out yesterday, again today, tomorrow. so he's hitting the road and trying to sell the infrastructure law after really a bad summer bogged down with congressional debate over that build back better plan that went nowhere. >> that's right, andrea. they lost all of last fall due to build back better debate within their party. it shows voters after the withdrawal from afghanistan that

they couldn't get anything done. the infrastructure law is a huge success sought by prior presidents, one that should have really defined this first two years of biden's term but instead got lost amid that debate between factions of the democratic party and then into the drama of russia invading ukraine and obviously that becoming the more important focus. it's a bit late now to be talking about infrastructure. the problem is if you look at polls that voters are concerned about inflation foremost and then crime and immigration. so the president and the candidates who are in those districts that david is talking about, even the one who is might feel they're safe now really need to be focused on the issues that the voters are most concerned about and believe the democrats haven't been focused enough on. >> and dave, at this point, with so many headwinds, inflation, the war, you know, covid still,

the fights over masks and other issues related to the pandemic, how does the president turn this around? >> it's not going to be possible for democrats to turn this around unless voters are feeling better about the economy. and to a lesser degree immigration and crime, which are plaguing democrats in some suburb ban districts. democrats can try to disqualify individual republican candidates individually by using their baggage against them, but in terms of a broad scale, democrats can only hope to minimize their losses that way. they have to convince voters that the economy is doing better than it is perhaps by pointing to wage increases. >> that and just hoping that inflation moderates, fuel costs continue to go down, and there is some better outcome in ukraine, tying up the economy as well globally. thanks to you, amy, dave, and

dasha. a key member of congress is being honored by the john f. kennedy jfk profile in courage award. it's the first time it will represent five public servants. sharing the honor, ukraine's president zelenskyy, congressman liz cheney, michigan state jocelyn benson, rusty bowers and shane moss, an elections worker in fulton county, georgia. each chosen for standing up for free and fair elections. this morning on "today," jack schlossberg talking about their courage. what his grandfather would think. >> i think he would be very optimistic as i am. people tried to overthrow the election in 2020 but weren't successful. there are people with integrity like these winners standing up

and defending democracy. >> the profile in courage reward reminding us all of our responsibility to protect our democracy. before we go, today is a momentous birthday for britain's queen elizabeth, who turns 94 years old today. she has that and her june birthday, but today is her real birthday, so happy birthday to her majesty. that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." follow the show online. chuck todd with "meet the press daily" starts after this.

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if it's thursday, president biden announces more military aid for ukraine and plans to ask congress for another round of emergency war funding as zelenskyy looks to the west, desperate for even more arms. this as russian forces intensify their attacks in the east. putin claims success in the critical port city of mariupol, but did the kremlin declare victory prematurely? and a memo from bernie sanders camp says he is not ruling out a run for president in 2024 depending on what the current president decides to do. what does that mean? i'll be joined by the adviser who wrote it. that's ahead.