good to be with you. i'm katy tur. republicans kevin mccarthy and marjorie taylor greene are both being forced to face their own words and denials about donald trump and the january 6th insurrection. let us start with "the washington post" new reporting per two sources familiar that kevin mccarthy spoke on the phone with donald trump last night after rachel maddow played damning audio in which mccarthy criticized him over the insurrection. what "the washington post" reports that donald trump told mccarthy in a moment. an official spokesman for donald trump told nbc news they are providing no comment.

we have several leaked clips of the minority leader's call with house republicans just days after the insurrection including this new clip where he says he was, quote, done with donald trump. >> i've had it with this guy. what he did is unacceptable. nobody can defend that, and nobody should defend it. >> the audio was provided by "new york times" reporters alexander burns and jonathan martin ahead of their new book "this will not pass: trump, biden, and the battle for america's future." the two reported on what mccarthy said. when mccarthy denied he said that, the reporters produced the proof. the duo also reports that in the days after the attack leader mccarthy and senate minority leader mitch mcconnell told associates they believed trump was responsible for inciting the deadly riot and vowed to drive him from politics. mccarthy went so f push donald

resign immediately in a call with liz cheney according to audio given by the "times" to "the rachel maddow show." >> i'm here. i guess there's a question, when we were talking about the 25th amendment resolution -- >> yeah -- >> and you asked if -- you know, what happens if it gets there after he's gone, is there any chance that you're hearing that he might resign? is there any reason to think that might happen? >> i've had a few discussions. my gut tells me no. i'm seriously thinking of having that conversation with him tonight. i haven't talked to him in a couple days. i do not want to get in any conversation about pence pardoning, again, a discussion i had with him is i think this will pass. it will be my recommendation he

should be done. that would be my take, but i don't think he will take it. but i don't know. >> mccarthy has not immediately responded to a request for comment. and liz cheney denies leaking the call. from capitol hill to georgia where today republican marjorie taylor greene became the first sitting member of congress to testify under oath about the events of january 6. her testimony is part of a lawsuit filed by georgia voters who say her rhetoric about the election in part incited the rioters. >> is it fair to say, representative greene, that from election night of 2020 until january 6, 2021, your personal opinion and your wish was that congress not certify joe biden as the winner of the 2020 election? >> no, that's not accurate. >> you believe that joe biden

had lost the election to mr. trump, right? >> well, yes. we saw a tremendous amount of voter fraud. >> to date there has been no evidence of a tremendous amount of voter fraud, no fraud that would change any results of any election in the 2020 election. joining me is nbc news senior national political reporter sahil cap ur from capitol hill, blayne alexander from atlanta, "washington post" national reporter and msnbc contributor carol lennick, and law profits and former u.s. attorney barbara mcquaid, also an msnbc contributor. so my question to you, carol, is this new "washington post" reporting. there's been a lot of speculation about what this might do to leader mccarthy, how donald trump might react and what that would mean for him. your paper is reporting on a phone call the two gentlemen had.

what happened? >> what donald trump is trying to find out and from kevin mccarthy is should i back you, are you loyal, is this something that i'm going to have to come out and complain about you, am i going to have to actively tell people not to back you for leader which actually might tilt the balance for kevin mccarthy. what kevin mccarthy is now telling donald trump is, look, support me, i've been loyal to you all this time, i've stuck with you, this tape is nothing. that's essentially what we have been hearing from sources. >> sahil, i wonder how this is playing on the capitol. you know, i know we're living in different times, but he denied saying these words. and then the reporters produced him on audio saying these words. >> that's right. mccarthy has not commented on this today publicly. what do you say when you've been caught red-handed on tape saying something that you just categorically deny that you

said? mccarthy's top priority now is damage control with one man who holds the keys to his speakership ambitions in the palms of his hands, that is trump. what my republican sources are saying is if donald trump is angry with kevin mccarthy and turns on him, his speakership ambitions are over. so far there is no sign that donald trump is angry. he's got a good thing going with kevin mccarthy in terms of the power dynamic. he reference a level of deference that he didn't get from paul ryan, the last republican speaker of the house, and he has been forgiving with people who said bad things about him but who turn and end up being firmly loyal to him. that is going to be the test. and there are several things that we are waiting to hear from donald trump on about how he feels regarding things mccarthy is on tape saying. the first, of course, is mccarthy's suggestion that he would ask trump to resign. the second is a suggestion that mccarthy didn't want to get into questions of pence pardoning trump. that suggests that mccarthy may

have thought there was criminal exposure involved beyond simply the question of impeachment and conviction. and then there's the new audio that came out earlier today where mccarthy said trump privately told him he bore some responsibility for the january 6th attack on the capitol. that is not something trump has said publicly. i suspect trump is -- you know, may not take kindly to that version of events. but is he going to be angry enough at kevin mccarthy to turn on him and to try to oust him at least prevent him from becoming speaker of the house, that is far from clear now. trump has reasons to go both ways on this. >> this happened, you know, a couple years ago. in that time -- and kevin mccarthy himself was on the floor after the insurrection talking about how it was not okay and donald trump was responsible. he's done a lot of walking back since then and getting himself cozy into donald trump's corner. the january 6 committee, though, in general, carol, you've done so much reporting on what they are doing. jamie raskin, lawmaker in the house, has said that the

committee's findings, when the public hears about them, will, in his words, blow the roof off the house. >> that's right. and raskin has the benefit of knowing, you know, i would expect something like 75% more than all of us together because he's getting to see the testimony of all of these individuals who have never come forward before, never been compelled to give their testimony about what they saw on that day. already, as you're -- as this segment emphasizes, we are learning that more people were hypocritical than we knew. we knew that senator graham said he was done essentially with donald trump the night of january 6th.flip-flopped. then he was fine with donald trump after january 6. he changed his mind. now we know that raskin also felt the exact same way. the hypocrisy is when his

speakership was in the balance, his chance to be speaker was controlled by donald trump, and he knew that. he decided to soft pedal january 6 to his constituents and encourage republicans in his party to do the same, to tow the line and deny the facts. and what raskin is promising all of us is kind of a narrated screenplay of all of these moments behind the scenes of what people really thought about january 6, how terrified they were, who was involved in trying to encourage that march on the capitol behind the scenes with donald trump. that may include several republican lawmakers. and who wanted trump gone and decided to change their tune when it didn't help them politically. >> i want to ask about one thing in particular that raskin told reporters because it's kind of confusing me. and carol, i'm hoping you can shed some light on this. it was about pence in the

moments as the riot was happening and the secret service attempts to whisk him away from the capitol. he said, "pence then uttered what i think are the six most chilling words of the this entire thing, quote, i'm not getting in that car." raskin told reporters. he knew exactly what this inside coup they had planned for was going to do. what exactly from your reporting, what exactly is raskin saying here? >> so he is highlighting a key moment that happened to be revealed in -- partially in "washington post" reporting and partially in a book that phillip rucker, my co-author, and i did about the year 2020. i alone can fix it. and in that retelling, we reveal that pence was very nervous after he had been evacuated from the hideaway in the senate during, you know, this incredible riot where people

were marching past his doorway essentially calling for his hanging. the secret service agents forced him into the underground basement. they didn't want people to know that he was in that basement. and as we reported in the book and partially in "the washington post," pence did not and refused to get in the car. essentially the limousine. his detail leader wanted him to get in the car for extra safety, but his concern and what he said to his detail leader is "i trust you, i like you, but i know if i get in that car you're going to drive me away, and i'm not going to be here to do the job," which was essentially certifying the election. a pretty angry and indignant vice president is saying in the basement of the capitol where his life is potentially still in danger forget it, i'm not going to let you and essentially the secret service which is then an agency controlled by donald trump, i'm not going to let you take me out of this building.

the importance of that, as i think you know because you and i have talked about it a little bit, the importance of that is pence's people are in communication with the deputy white house chief of staff who's in charge of the secret service, and he is telling pence's closest adviser, look, we're thinking maybe we're going to need to take him to andrews air force base, there's concern in the white house that the secret service wants to fly pence to alaska, to some other air force base to keep him safe, and pence is absolutely dogged and determined he's not going anywhere. but really we don't know whether or not pence thought this was a coup. what we know is pence was super suspicious and insistent on staying. >> it is really wild, really wild. i think that's an understatement, all of what we're hearing both from raskin and in your reporting. not to mention you've written another book about the secret

service. so you really are the person to ask on this subject. let's talk about marjorie taylor greene. she testified under oath today, the first time a sitting lawmaker has testified under oath about their role in the insurrection. tell me a little more about what happened. >> well, that testimony is still going on. we're now stretching into hour three that we've seen her on the stand. there have been several breaks there in between. pretty early into her testimony, the judge actually labeled her a hostile witness. what we've seen from this line of questioning throughout, it's ranged from anything to focusing a lot on her twitter accounts, specifically to tweets that she sent calling into question the results of the 2020 election. there have been a line of questioning about where she's quoted in news articles calling house speaker nancy pelosi a traitor, for instance. so a lot of back and forth where the judge has had to step in several times and order her to answer a question. here's a little bit from what we were hearing inside that hearing. take a look. >> did you like a post that said

"it's quicker than a bullet to the head would be a quicker way to remove nancy pelosi from the role of speaker"? >> i have had many people manage my social media account over the years. i have no idea who liked that. >> okay. are you testifying under oath it wasn't you? i want to be clear on that. >> i am testifying i have no idea who liked that comment. >> fair enough. it could have been you. right? >> she said -- >> she's answered the question -- >> i do not know. >> she's answered the question. >> so of course at the center of this is the big question of whether or not she's eligible to run for re-election, whether her name can remain on the ballot. and there's a group of georgia voters challenging her candidacy over her alleged role in the insurrection. when i've spoken with her attorney he says this is nothing more than a show trial, calling it politically motivated. but certainly the line of questioning around calling into question the results of the 2020 election, that's something that's seen a lot of focus here. the other thing is we want to point out the precedent that this could possibly set.

this is notable for several reasons. one because it could set a precedent when similar challenges come up for lawmakers around the country. two, the fact that this challenge has even been allowed to proceed. we saw a similar challenge from north carolina, a judge kicked that out and said the challenge can't go forward. a georgia judge made a different decision. the fact that we're having this hearing is certainly notable. three, of course, the amount of attention that it's garnering. former president trump put out a statement supporting her. you know, we've seen representative matt gaetz, he's here in the hearing also showing his support. so the judge is going to make a recommendation, the secretary of state will ultimate lie decide if her name will remain on the ballot or not. >> barbara, what are you watching in this? >> well, i think just watching this play out is so interesting because until now we have really not known in this country what the mechanism is for fulfilling disqualification clause under the 14th amendment. the 14th amendment says no one can run for congress if they've engaged in insurrection.

that's never been tested before. thank god it was a post civil war amendment designed to keep people who were members of the confederacy off the ballot from infiltrating congress. and so i think it's incredibly interesting because no one's ever known how you establish what engaging in insurrection means, how -- what level of proof is necessary to do that, and what kinds of conduct might constitute that. i think her tweets in this instance, she's been saying things like i don't remember posting them, but there are videos of her saying things like we want to flood the capitol, and we hope we can do it peacefully, but if not we need to be prepared to do what we need to do. if you can link her to instigating the attack on the capitol, that could very well be one way that removes her from the ballot. i think it's really interesting to watch. i also think that they can't make this decision lightly because removing someone from the ballot does affect the voting in a community. people who want to choose her to be their elected representative. and so this is going to be closely watched to determine how

this clause operates in practice. >> barbara, blayne, sahil and carol, a book about the secret service which i have in front of me, "zero fail." you know all things washington, carol. thank you so much. still ahead, a city on the brink. we are live in ukraine where after weeks of bombardment mariupol is dangerously close to falling into russian control. and florida is reacting, what voters are saying about two new controversial bills going to the governor's desk. and later, a community in virginia could get swallowed whole. what climate change will do to our coastal towns.

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destructive, because of climate change. president biden right there. let's turn to ukraine. it is day 57 of russia's war there. here is what we know -- ukrainian fighters are clinging to mariupol, their last stand at a steel plant where hundreds of civilians are sheltering, blocked from leaving according to the ukrainians. the russians deny they're stopping evacuations and say they will stop shelling if ukrainian troops surrender. ukraine's commander said his forces will not lay down their weapons, and they will not surrender. the mayor of mariupol says 20,000 civilians have died so far in that city, and as many as 9,000 could be buried in mass graves. these satellite images right here, we've circled them for you, appear to show such graves. a russian commander said he plans to establish full control

of eastern and southern ukraine which does include mariupol. together that territory would give russia a clear path to crimea and to a breakaway region in moldova. joining me is nbc news foreign correspondent ali arouzzi. >> the situation is beyond catastrophic. the russians haven't completely captured the city but are in control of most of it. as you mentioned they've encircled the steel plant where a small pocket of ukrainian fighters are still holding out there. and there are civilians in that basement. they're hanging on by a string, katy. those russians have really destroyed what's left of that city. they've got their chechnyan fighters in there who also have a reputation for extreme brutality. but it's still early to say for putin that he's completely captured that city. but that is what his sights are

firmly fixed on because that's what he needs to sell to the russian people. he hasn't really captured any major city in this war, and this would mark the first victory for him and a very tactical victory. as you mentioned, it would allow him to join the russian mainland to crimea and give the land bridge to the donbas area which there is insentence fighting going on -- intense fighting going on. he's done it by obliterating that city and committing horrific war crimes. the mayor of mariupol was saying that those mass graves which were found in a city about 12 miles west of mariupol, is the worst atrocity committed in the 21st century, and he compared it to the horrific atrocities the nazis committed here in 1941 where they killed over 30,000 ukrainian jews. it really does resonate with all ukrainians what they're doing in mariupol. they always said that the

atrocity committed in bucha were just the tip of the iceberg to what you're going to see in mariupol, and now we're seeing it. >> ali, thank you so much. without a clear legal path to get into the united states, hundreds of ukrainians are illegally crossing the southern border. jacob soberoff who covered the war this ukraine went to mexico to document what many families hope is the final leg of their journey to safety. joining me from los angeles, a couple hours from the border, and i understand you followed one family in particular. >> reporter: yeah, we sure did. you know, when we were in ukraine we met so many families who were looking to seek refuge in europe. but there were other families who wanted to come here to the united states including to california where there's one of the largest ukrainian populations in all of the united states of america. for one family, the family you're talking about that we met in mexico this week, it wasn't

easy. outside a makeshift shelter in tijuana, it didn't take long to find some of the thousands of ukrainians who flew here on tourist visas including alona, her husband, and their 2-year-old daughter. they said they fled the war from kyiv the day it started. so you were in kyiv and then you went to -- >> poland. >> reporter: poland? >> from poland to germany, from germany to mexico. >> reporter: a long trip. >> yes. >> reporter: a trip she told me they hoped would end soon the other side of the border in the u.s. as they unloaded, we met up with erica penaro, an immigration attorney who's worked at the border for years. >> i've been to mexico many times with you, this is the first time i've seen a sign welcoming people in ukrainian. >> as you see, it's a well-organized operation with vans picking folks up at the airport. and then this bus is about to take people to the border. >> reporter: special treatment no other group of migrants gets,

she said. inside we ran into alona again. when the war started, what did you hear? what did you see? >> early in the morning i think that -- nearly 5:30 a.m., my sister from odesa called me and say -- the war has started. >> reporter: you were scared. >> yeah, sure. >> reporter: she said outside her window she saw an apartment building that had been attacked by the russians, and she quickly fled the capital. now she hopes she's finally done running. not long after, it was her family's turn to leave, and we went with them. we're on our way to the border

if all goes well. alona and her family might be in the u.s. within hours. ready to go? >> we are a little nervous. >> reporter: you're nervous? >> yeah. but we hope that everything will be okay. >> reporter: we watched as they walked out of mexico and two hours later they emerged on the u.s. side where they were picked up by the same family friends that met them at the tijuana airport. >> welcome to america. >> reporter: you guys made it. >> yes. we did. >> reporter: how are you feeling? >> happy. >> reporter: you're going to go sacramento. >> yes. >> reporter: last night we found them settling into their new if temporary home over 500 miles away. i'm back. >> hello. >> reporter: it's me again. how are you guys? what does it feel like here? >> yay. >> it's something different. something new for us.

but we have some great people here, and it's easier to us because we have our friends. >> reporter: one extraordinary family. alona tells me they got one year humanitarian parole from the u.s. once they cross the border. a year from now they're going to potentially try to go back to ukraine if it's safe to do so. the biden administration with this new plan is discouraging people from going to mexico like her family did. but they're glad that they did it. it also raises a really important question that we're going to talk about on "nightly news" which is how can so many ukrainian families be admitted at the southern border, 15,000 since the start of the war. but you have many, many, countless, nonwhite migrants turned away, trying to cross at those exact same border crossings claiming fleeing violence, as well. it's got many activist, many attorneys up in arms and for good reason. >> yeah. that is a really good question. i asked that of somebody involved in this early on. and again, they are fleeing

atrocious conditions, as well. they're fleeing wars, gangs, just awful violence. jacob soboroff, thank you so much. my colleague, richard engel, is on the ground in ukraine reporting on the resilient people and their fight in the face of war and destruction. you can catch his reporting tonight at 10:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc and streaming on peacock. coming up, florida voters react to two controversial bills their governor is about to sign into law. about to sign into law

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self-govern its orlando area theme park. desantis proposed that bill after the company opposed the state's "don't say gay" law which prohibits education of sexual orientation and gender identity in schools. he's also expected to sign a bill, desantis commissioned himself, that will redraw florida's congressional map. it eliminates two districts held by black democrats and gives republicans an advantage in 20 of florida's 28 seats. joining me from tallahassee, florida, is maura barrett. tell us more. >> reporter: clearly a lot going on here in florida this week, coming to a close after what was supposed to be a special legislative session just to address that last issue you spoke about with the congressional maps. governor ron desantis getting in a few extra laws this week it appears. around the congressional maps, it just passed on the house floor yesterday amid commotion

and protests from black democratic lawmakers, and it's already not 24 hours later facing a lawsuit from several groups in the state. they're alleging that amendments in the florida constitution both prohibit the ability to diminish or dilute the opportunity for racial minorities to run for office, as well as the -- it prohibits the ability to gerrymander districts to favor a political party. and that is what they say they're seeing in this congressional map. now i spoke with two of the black democratic lawmakers that staged that protest yesterday. they're extremely concerned about how ultimately this redistricting effort will ban black -- limit black representation in florida and more broadly going forward. here's some of our conversation. >> florida is the microcosm for the country. florida is the test case. florida has always been the test case. that when unconstitutional, unfair or racist laws are passed in florida, we see other states pick them up. >> slashing it by 50% when the

census numbers see that -- our numbers are actually increasing in population in the state, it's blatantly disrespectful. a slap in the face, and this dictatorship style of governing should not be something that gets swept under the rug. >> reporter: so this lawsuit expected, we expect to see probably several more challenges, as well, leading up to the primary here in florida in august. as the disney bill, we expect legal challenges to follow, as well. >> thank you very much. today is the last day of campaigning before a high-stakes european election. french president emmanuel macron and far right challenger marine le pen were out today selling two very different ideas for the future of france and its place on the world stage. while new polling suggests macron has a lead the gap has closed between him and his rival's france first platform. international correspondent keir simmons with the lucky job of

being in paris for us. so what is going on? copy well, you know, i think many french voters are scared, many are confused, many are angry. just think about this, katy -- the equivalent of the french bernie sanders if you like, socialist candidate, dropped out in the first round with seven million votes. now those voters have to decide whether they choose the far-right candidate who says she's for the people or macron, the president, who has opponents say is elielitist, is out of to. we've spoken to some of those voters who say they will vote for marine le pen despite her critics accusing her of being a fascist. her program is to cut taxes, to cut immigration, that she is against nato, she says she won't pull france out of nato. she is supportive of president trump. she's supportive of president putin. and katy, we were at a rally for

le pen just last night, and -- for you who covered the trump campaign all of those years, some of the comments we heard will sound familiar. why do you support marine le pen? >> immigration -- >> reporter: for immigration? >> glorious -- >> i'm going to vote for the other candidate -- >> reporter: the other candidate, not macron? >> no. >> reporter: you don't want to say her name. >> because it's not my political party -- >> none of them actually talked about how it is difficult to be a young people in this country. >> reporter: and some other observations, katy, that we'll have show why people will be biting their nails this weekend. we spoke to some voters who say they will vote for le pen but weren't even prepared to say her name. we spoke to young people who are left wing and yet said when they watched the televised debate this week that they didn't think macron won despite the fact that the polls suggest most french people thought he had won.

so it is going to be tense this weekend because if le pen wis, look, around the world, eyes are not just focused on the battlefield in ukraine but the ballot box in france. >> interesting. thank you very much. joining me from paris, as well, is french journalist laura haim. she served as spokesperson for emmanuel macron's campaign. in 2017, he was the wonder kid. he was new, he was fresh. he had all of this hope behind him. what happened? >> the connection between him and the people even the people are noticing that he's sometimes too arrogant. there are -- it was difficult for him to manage all the crisis, to have the -- you also

have the ukrainian situation. and a lot of voters especially outside the big cities are saying that president macron was not close to them, was too arrogant again, was too -- was using too many figures. so there's a kind of disconnection between people in france and emmanuel macron. however, as your correspondent pointed out, the election is on sunday. so far the polls are good for macron. so far he's between seven to ten points ahead because the -- it was not good for marine le pen. a lot of people are saying that on sunday emmanuel macron will win this election. >> even if he does win, this is a much closer margin, at least in the polling right now. i mean, let's see what the results are. i wonder what it says about the french population and what their appetite is going forward.

>> what is really interesting is to see that now in all democracies we all have the same global things. you have a lot of anger, you have a lot of resentment, you have a lot of people talking about the same things, security, immigration, disillusioned about politics. and emmanuel macron's last stop today was saying, listen, you have the choice between me or you have the choice between someone who looks like the conservative leader but with a far-right leader. and at this moment you have the freedom to express yourself if you elect marine le pen, you don't know what's going to happen after. but when you go around as a journalist and when you're talking to voters, you can really feel this anger that we feel when we covered the 2016 election. you feel the disillusion, as i was just saying, and nobody really, really understands where does it come from.

a lot of people are saying that people here in france are extremely anxious about the future of europe, they don't know what's going to happen if le pen is elected. on the other hand, they're just -- they don't like macron. what is really interesting for your viewers to understand, in 2017 it was a vote against marine le pen. now here in france in 2022, you really have the feeling that it's a vote for against emmanuel macron. >> that is interesting. i will make this point, after covering the 2016 election, up until the very, very end, everyone was saying donald trump -- most everyone was saying donald trump was going to lose, and he pulled out a win. is it -- >> that's interesting what you say. >> are you sure -- >> yeah. that's real interesting what you're saying because this morning i had exactly the same -- i had all the scores in front of me with eight to ten points

ahead. and one hour ago i received a poll showing macron, 53, le pen, 47.5. so basically not ten points ahead but just five points ahead. i was thinking maybe something like 2016 in the united states is going to happen in france. again, we don't know what the people are saying, we do not want to vote for macron, we do not want to vote for le pen, we don't know if at the last minute they're going to change their mind. and that's the key in this very sensitive election. >> and you wonder if they're telling the pollsters exactly how they feel or if maybe they're saying something different to somebody because they don't want to be judged. that happened here. laura haim, thank you so much. coming up next, a virginia town swallowed by water. before nexium 24hr, anna could only imagine a comfortable night's sleep without frequent heartburn waking her up. now, that dream... .

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