that's it for me, everybody. i'm yasmin. "politics nation" starts right now. good evening. tonight's lead -- in justice everywhere, as the white house readies another package of desperately needed aid for a nation under siege, russian forces have all but subdued. here at home, our own democracy

is under increasingly brazen aattention from within. with a few strokes of his pen, florida's republican governor this week aislened lgbtq advocating in his state, robbed black communities of their proper representation, and declared economic war on a private company for daring to take even a symbolic stand against the governor's estimating cultural war aend ra. i'll speak to one democrat trying to end desantis' reign in the united states. there's no justice, and i'm still thinking about patrick lyoya. after delivering his eulogy, his death at the hands of police, a reminder that within the midst of all of our nation's challenges, foreign and domestic, we still do not have

basic institutional protection. we begin tonight with the latest from the nation of ukraine, joining me now is cal perry. he's in kyiv, ukraine. we begin with breaking news from ukraine, where president zelenskyy is saying he still wants a face-to-face meeting with russian president vladimir putin. also big news, he's going to meet with the u.s. secretary of state antony blinken and defense secretary austin tomorrow. what can you add to that? >> reporter: yes, sir. we don't have confirmation from the american side on that visit from the u.s. secretary of defense and from the u.s. secretary of state. that's not unusual. the americans of not going to confirm that visit for security reasons until it happens.

so we're going to take his word for that. it was an extraordinary press conference. it took place in a subway area, trains going by, very highly produced. a few notes that president zelenskyy is playing now more and more consistently. one of the them is vladimir putin has basically lost his mind he talked about only a sane person would give up a chance at a diplomatic negotiation. only a sane person, for example, would consider using nuclear weapons. he wants to put the world on notice. he also discussed there was an air strike, and that at least one residential structure was hit as well, but among the dead, a three-month-old baby. here's what president zelenskyy had to say.

>> translator: a 3-month-old baby has died. they killed a 3-month-old baby. the war started when that baby was just 1 month old. can you man what this means? what's happening? they're just stinking scum. how else can i say it? i have no other words, just scum. >> apologies to the control room. that's video of that site of that attack in odesa. odesa will become vital for the russian army, if they want to create a land bridge from moldova all the way to mainland russia. -- we saw at least people killed, at least 18 others

wounded. the clock just struck midnight here, rev. we have our third -- this is now our third siren of the day. the government said they wanted people to be ready for an increased air strike possible. this is orthodox easter here now. the government wanted people to been on alert. we will find out if we see an up tick on air attacks. rev. >> thank you to cal perry for this great reporting from ukraine. now a shatter turn to florida. joining me is charlie crist, the former governor of the sunshine state, and is now running for that job again. congressman, thank you for being here tonight. >> good evening, rev. >> russia's war in ukraine is now entering its third month.

fighting has intensified in the eastern part of the country. the last pocket of resistance is holding out in mariupol. this week president biden pledged $800 million in additional military aid to ukraine in this new phase of the war. it's expected to request more as early as next week. do you expect that request to pass congress? >> i do. i do, reverend. great to be with you. thank you for the opportunity. i think the leadership of president biden, this situation has been absolutely extraordinary, but getting the entire eu together, nato, he probably is the only person who could have achieved that as equally and successfully as he did. i think that's exactly where we need to do. we need to do everything humanly possible we can for our friends

in ukraine. anything the united states can do, to continue to sanction those in ukraine who are who are responsible for what's happening in ukraine, we need to be the don't say gale bill, targeting critical race theory in grade schools, the gerrymandering of districts represented by two black members, val democratings,

that find particularly unnerves, given the potential impact on -- where do florida republicans could pick up as many as four seats in the house. you're running to unseat desantis. how do democrats in your state fight back between now and election day? >> register to vote, make sure that everybody they know registers to vote. i had the honor of serving with john lewis of georgia, a great civil rights icon, like you, and he used to always tell me, god rest his soul, before he passed, charlie, the right to vote is precious. in fact, it is so precious, it's sacred. sacred. he's right. he said every issue we care about, your right to vote, of course, right to equal representation. i mean the fact that the governor of florida is trying to eliminate two congressional

districts represented by african-americans. and al lawson. we served in tallahassee together before, it's unconscionable. the good news is i'm very grateful for the suits that have been filed. it's outrageous. it's the most antibusiness assault i have seen by a governor ever. it shouldn't shock us. he did it earlier, believe it or not, with the cruise industry in the sunshine state. usually republicans are supposed

to be kind of pro-business and he's going after mickey mouse and our cruise line industry? i think what is happens here, had he is laser focused, my friend, on the 20 th president atrace, and getting that hard right, red meat republican primary vote in order to try to capture that nomination. he's more worried about that than the florida people. it's really sad. >> for many of our -- of how speaker kevin mccarthy talking to republican leaders after january 6th, laying the blame at the former president's feet, let me play some of that sound and get your reaction. >> you bet. >> let me be clear to all of you, and i've been very clear to the president, he bears responsibilities for his words and actions, no ifs, ands and buts.

i asked him personally today if he holds responsibility for what happened, does he feel bad for what happened? he told me he does have some responsibility for what happens, and he needs to acknowledge that. >> i know this is not fun, not great, it's very tough but i don't want to rush things. i've had it with this guy. what he has done is unacceptable. nobody can defend that and nobody should defend it. >> now, congressman, kevin mccarthy wants the privilege of being the next speaker of the house, yet he has proven this week what he says in private is very different than what he says in public, and he's willing to lie about all of it until he gets caught. how should voters react to that? >> it's outrageous. we ought to be able to trust our

elected officials, or public servants. it's clear he was caught in a lie. that just erodes confidence. it takes away from the public trust, if you will. the nothing that he would boldly lie in the way that he has, is just appalling. it's unbelievable. peel deserve better. hi constituents deserve better, but the american people deserve better. i hope he doesn't become speaker. i think we'll have a good election in the fall for democrats. i think we'll have a blue wave in florida because of the outrageous behavior of the governor, how he yells at kids when they're wearing a mask behind him in a press conference. that behavior is -- i wear this yellow wristband every day. it uss, you know, practice the golden rule every day.

do unto others as you would have done unto you. it applies to both of these guys we're talking about. would they like to have people lie to them? i doubt it. would the governor like to have, you know, somebody yell at his children? they're trying to protect their health and wear a mask at the height of the pandemic a while ago? that's not the golden rule. you're a reverend, for crying out loud, so you know this better than me. the author of the rule was jesus christ himself. just be your fellow men and women. that's what we need more of, in this country and around the world. what's happening in ukraine is an assault on kindness, decency and what god would want us to do. it's unbelievable, yes we have this coarse discourse in

american politics. we have to get our act together and get right. that's why i'm running for governor in florida. >> for the record, mr. crist did correctly give the author credit and quoted him correctly on the golden rule. thank you for being with us, charlie crist. coming up, ron desantis is trying to make himself a mini-trump off the backs of peet poorest floridians. and another funeral for a young black man. coming up, my record from michigan after deliver the eulogy for patrick lyoya. but first my colleague richard lui has today's top story. >> for the second year in a row, covid was the third leading cause of death in the country. the percentage jumped to 13% in

2021. that's up from 10% in the year before. the largest increase in death rates were those under 75 years old, the unvaccinated were 25 times more likely to die from covid. and the man who set himself on fire on friday night outside the supreme court, has died. investigators have not indicated what motivated the man to commit the deadly act. there's the complicated maneuver in the upper atmosphere had to be scrubbed due to windy conditions in the lower atmosphere at the splash down points here on earth. they'll try against more. more reverend al sharpton on "politics nation" after this break. "politics nation" after this break.

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for this week's "gotcha" let's look at governor desantis. he's willing to trample over the poorest floridians in his quest for clout about the right-wing base of the republican party. such disregard for the people of his state first became obvious when he pushed to reopen florida, even as the deadly virus continued to spread. it made desantis a hero to the maga crowd that rejected masks and vaccines in favor of silver supplements and horse paste, but it also marked a love affair between the governor and business executives more concerned with their bottom lines than the help and safety of their employees and

customers, including real estate developers who, according to politico, have donated more than $7 million to desantis and his political committee, even as housing costs spiral out of control. it also led him to declare hi war on democracy, he wrestled map making in or to push a plan to gerrymander two largely black districts out of the existence. this comes after a federal judge tossed out the bulk of florida's new voting law, saying it intentionally discriminated against black voters. the state has appealed the ruling. finally, there's governor desantis in his fight with disney, one of the florida's biggest employers, and primary driver of tourism to the united states, after the house of mouse

dared to denounce the governor's "don't say gay" bill. desantis has pushed to cost residence upyards of $2,200 family, according to "the miami herald." it's a painfully obvious that governor desantis wants to be the next donald trump. while i'm certainly no fan of the former guy, it must be pointed out that trump first built his political reputation, flying around on his own plane, largely on his own dime. governor desantis is trying to become a mini trump by performing political stunts that leave the poorest and most vulnerable floridians picking up the tab. the people of the sunshine state deserve better. i gotcha. state deserve better i gotcha

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welcome back to "politics nation." we're keeping an eye on moscow, where vladimir putin is tanneding orthodox easter mass in the country's main christ the savior cathedral, just after midnight local time. wow, putin in church. okay. let's get more insight on today's big topics from my political panel. susan del percio, and juanita tolliver, they are goth msnbc political analysts. the u.s. is giving additional weapons to ukraine as it enters a critical phase in the war. the package inclusions ammunitions and tactical drones, known as ghost drones. this comes after the u.s. has already given more than $3

billion in arms and military weaponry since russia invaded. next week president biden is expected to ask congress for even more funding to support ukraine at the same time that the president and his administration have acknowledged that the conflict that is slowed other items on the domestic agenda. is this a political problem for the white house? >> it will become one, rev. as important as it is to arm ukraine, people as time goes by, because this conflict will not end in days or weeks. it will be months, probably years. people still see gas prices very lie, inflation high. that's what they're going to be focused on. as much as they support ukraine, they want that's president and their lawmakers focusing on hope, helping them get by this different time. >> juanita on thursday president biden announced a new program to

expedite the u.s. asylum process for ukrainian refugees fleeing russia's invasion. yahoo news reports that some advocates are crying out on -- a trump-erather policy was designed to prevent rising levels. biden is expected to repeal title 42 at the end of may. some lawmakers are pushing back on this timeline, includes some off democratic side. how well is biden handle this refugee crisis? could either of these actions cause issues in the mid terms? >> we know republicans will do what they do every single election psych thing weaponize immigration and what's happening at the border. that should not stop the white house to move forward with

eliminating title 42. the cdc said it's not required anymore. it was implemented as a public health precaution, but we know the trump administration abused it, as he tried to turn away more and more migrants, who were also fleeing crisis. the africas are right to draw the juxtaposition, with haitians, as they tried to cross the border. it's important that every migrant is met with a humane response. >> susan, there's new reaction from house minority leader kevin mccarthy after explosive tapes were released of mccarthy, days after the january 6th capitol riot, saying then president donald trump should resign. here's what he had to say in an

interview last night? >> the conversation is very good. the conversation here is what they -- what they said we did, we never did. i never asked president trump to resign. we both talked about that. no, let me be very clear. i have never asked the president to resign. now, former president trump for his part says his relationship with mccarthy remains good. this all comes as marjorie taylor greene was confronted on friday during her court testimony with old social media posts showing her advocating for violence against democrats, during this case to determine whether she can run again after her alleged involvement in the january 6th capitol attack. she said she did not remember making those comments. also congressman madison

cawthorn is being called out after a photo of him in women's -- as he recently accused his gop colleagues for inviting hem to orgies. >> they have not focus odd governor, or i should say five years. they use donald trump's lies. as far as mccarthy goes, donald trump loves a man who grovels, gets to his knees and begs to be forgiven. my guess is donald trump has zero respect for kevin mccarthy. the interesting thing here is the marjorie taylor greene. because she was put under oath, i do think that's one thing the democrats should weaponize. not focus so much on donald trump and what he said and the people he's endorsed,

but rather say, do you want marjorie taylor greene back on the education committee? she was expelled from that committee. that's a message the democrats can use, and it's looking forward instead of backwards. >> president obama delivered a speech calling for more regulatory oversight of social media companies to combat disinformation. looking back at his own administration's response to the 2016 election, he said -- what does still nag at me was my failure to fully appreciate how susceptible we had become to lies and conspiracy theories, despite being a target of disinformation myself, end of quote. what more can be done now to curb the onslaught of disinformation online? >> look, i think former president obama hit the nail on

the head when he talked about accountability. social media leaders will push back against everything they've got. even though we know they say they're about free speech, they also shut down things they don't want, so they have the capability within them to manage lies and misinformation across their platform and do damage, which we have seen election cycle after election cycle, and through major world events. the responsibility does lie with social media platforms, but what is also clear from president obama's remarks is the explicit solution is not yet clear. there's going to need to be additional work digs into what those regulations actually look like, and how they'll be implemented. >> all right. thank you juanita and susan. coming up, a major win for

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routinely violated the inmates' constitutional right. they provided detailed evidence that officials at the prison continuously failed to provide prisoners with access to health treatment, and protection from violence and our systemic, that led to widespread death and die spare. we covered this back in 2020. joining me now, to discuss further these findings is katie benham, department of justice reporter at "new york times" and an msnbc contributor. this 59-page report underlines disturbing details hout inmates at mississippi state penitentiary were treated, one

is a prolonged use of solitary confinement. at the head of the civil rights division, they wrote in the report in a conditions at parchman have, quote, generated an unsafe environment. briefly walk our audience what has made the conditions so unethical and unconstitutional. >> absolutely. this is a report that's available on the justice department website. i suggest your viewers do. it's incredibly detailed and very searing. in brief what the justice department found was in large part because of chronic understaff. held in very safe conditions --

violence done against them. there were a den suicides and ten murders just in the last few months alone. all of them were done by people held in solitary confinement in ways just egregious loy bad. you saw basically a prison one amok. it's rampant weapons dealing, rampant drugs dealing, all controlled by gangs in the prison, making things so unsafe that both prisoners and corrections officers, they are not safe living there, not safe working there. the department of justice said a lawsuit could be filed if it did not address the concerns raised. what power does the doj have here? and how do you see this playing out? will we see real reforms coming? yeah, we've seen them implement these records before.

they'll do a full report on the findings, and then often file a civil lawsuit saying, this is what needs to be remedied. in the report they put out bare minimum recommendations for creating a far safer environment. once that litigation is filed, generally speaking, because we've seen states buck this before, but generally speaking, the state works with a justice department to come to a consent decree, to be implemented over a series of years on an agreed-upon timetable. one thing the department did soon after it came in was also to reform the consent decree process, because prisons and police departments put under those agreements have long complained there's no way out of them. the incentive is to keep them under a consent decree as possible. so there's more agreement under which hopefully a road map is created with firm goals and firm ends in place to make this prison nor safe. >> famous music moguls also got

involved in the case. they obtained legal representation for over 150 individuals incarcerated at parchman and filed lawsuits over alleged inhumane conditions in prison. can you speak to what their advocacy has led to? >> sure. i would say this is one of the these moment where you had a lot of public attention come to bear. if you're looking at reform, i think the more attention generally is better, because you want the public to understand what's going on, so they can put appropriate pressure on their representatives and other people to try to change the system. that was certainly an important public moment. also a prison riot at parchman. you saw video, and public accounts of that riot in which the guards completely lost control of the facility, also spilling out to public view

around the same time i think it brought a lot of public pressure to bear on the situation. >> katie, before i let you go, i want your take briefly on another issue confronting the justice department. it seems every day we get additional details on what happened on january 6th. jim jordan and matt gaetz were reportedly deeply involved in the trump white house's efforts to overturn the election. you have written about the pressure of attorney general garland is under to aggressively pursue cases related to the insurrection. how far do you think the doj is willing to go in pursuing this matter? >> i think i look at it slightly differently. what we're seeing is on the congressional side a very fast-moving investigation that has to wrap up by the med term elections. that's their drop-dead deadline,

put as much into the public view before they end their investigation. the justice department is working on a very different timetable. first it has a higher bar to hit in terms of determining whether or not it can take information before a grand jury, perhaps obtain an indictment, and then programs bring people to trial. that takes longer. the bar is a bit higher in terms of the evidence needed. what's happening on the congressional side is a political process to make an argument that what happened was wrong, but to give a detailed. >> caller: of everything that occurred. however, what congress cannot do is bring criminal charges against anyone. did can create laws, draft laws, to draft bills and laws in order to address some of the things that it finds, but ultimately the idea of criminality is, to the justice department to take into account the evidence found by congress, and evidence that it's finding on its own, which is not to be done publicly, and

decide whether or not that is enough to bring a case before a jury. the department can make an argued that somebody has committed a crime, but it's a jury that will ultimately determine whether or not that is true. this is a multistep process. it not only takes a by longer, but the bar is very high. they're not trying to convince voters or make a statement to the american public. they're trying to get a conviction, and a jury is a really, really hard panel to convince sometimes. >> i'll have to leave it there, thank you, katie impender. coming up, my thoughts on another black man laid to rest too early in his existence. this happened this week, killed by police in grand rapids, michigan. when will we see the end of the killings? that's next. end of the killings that n'sext.

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yesterday, in my capacity as

president of the national action network, i spoke at the funeral of patrick delivering his eulogy in front of a packed church in grand rapids, michigan. as we told you here on the show last week, patrick is the 26-year-old black man who was shot and killed by a police officer after a struggle during a traffic stop on april 4th. he was a refugee from the democratic republic of congo and according to police body cam video, seemed to not understand why he was pulled over. joining me now is michigan democratic state senator erika guise. we got the independent autopsy results and it capabilitied patrick was shot in the back of the head. it was the only wound. would you call this an

execution? when someone has another person beneath them thrown on their belly, how is the only option to subdue them ends up being a lethal one. especially for a traffic stop. and i think i have to be very clear that the punishment for a misdemeanor traffic stop is not murder. especially in a state such as ours, which has never had the death penalty. >> now, i noted you have a son who just turned 16.

you also have brothers. how scared are you that something similar may happen to them? >> i'm very scared for them. i think many of us parents are. many loved ones, not just parents, but it becomes even more palpable when your child is going to be able to drive soon. you know, it's -- one of the things is that we don't know whether you're going to encounter officer jekyll or officer hyde. there are studies that have been done, in fact, in 2021, dr. l. lett did a study and they discovered that fatal police shootings of unarmed black people in the united states is three times as high as for white people. >> uh-huh. >> and we need to address these issues with transparency, with

reforms, so that these things are not happening. that there isn't another headline. >> you're a lawmaker. in michigan you say that you have a bill package and a judiciary committee that could address many of the issues that lead to another unarmed inexcuse bli hurded at the hands of law enforcement. what is holding this bill? >>, you know, that's a fantastic question. we have this 12-bill package introduced last year in 2021. we did have hearings and judiciary committee on the bills in the bill package. it's now here we are april 2022. i, frankly, think there's a greater interest from the majority trying to preserve their sense of law and order than there is interest in the humanity of our residents, especially in the black and brown residents.

if that were -- if there was greater interest in the humanity of people in addressing these reforms, we would have gotten it done already >>well, that's one of the reasons in the eulogy we said we needed the george floyd justice and policing act passed. there's no real direct accountability to the police officers with qualified immunity still in place. and i know in michigan, charles williams who heads the national action network and others have been fighting along with the issues you raise in the package you have. i mean, in michigan alone, we've seen this year had the acquittal of men that had plotted to kidnap the governor. now you have this, they won't even release the name of the policeman that shot and killed this young man. saying they'll release it if he's charged. suppose he's not charged, we'll never know who did this.

this is absolutely ridiculous. how do we know we're not dealing with an officer who had a lot of complaints? >> and we don't. and one of the bills in the bill package does address such things. it also -- we have additional training. we have, indeed, he should have had another officer with him. he should not have been alone. there is a bill regarding the use the prevention of the use of excessive force. many are many systems along the way where this could have been prevented. i can't say from 100% that had these been in place that it would not have happened, but had they been in place, there would have been policies, at least, that clearly outlined and there would have been a path for accountability and justice. >> all right.

>> many thanks. >> my heart goes out to the family. >> many thanks to erika geiss from michigan. this week the grand rapids police department said the officer who killed patrick wouldn't be identified while the investigation is ongoing. what we do know from the police is that he's a seven-year veteran of the department who is currently on paid leave and stripped of all police powers. that is not enough. first, we need to make sure that there is more transparency in the investigation. i mean, how can you hold back the name of an officer who killed another man but so many times a young black man or woman gets arrested in grand rapids the name is all over the news. if the cop is not charged, we might never know his name. is this setting a legal

precedent now? that when a policeman kills somebody on video tape and shoots the person in the back of the head, that if the grand jury don't charge this cop, we might never know his or her name. i, for one, can't let that precedent stand. we also need political action. washington lawmakers need to pass the george floyd policing act, and lawmakers across the country need to have meaningful legislation to address policing reforms. voters need to think about these issues as they go to the polls. yes, we must stand with police on public safety, but we must do something about police that go over the line. we must have a litmus test if the george floyd justice and policing act had passed the senate, qualify immunity wouldn't have been an issue now. so anyone in this nation who wants my vote, should not hold a -- to ending police violence

but pledge to support real legislative action that would achieve that goal. that does it for me. thanks for watching. i'll see you back here tomorrow at 5:00 p.m. eastern for another live hour of "politics national." "american voices" picks up our news coverage now. >> thanks so much, reverend. thank you so much for emphasizing what needs to happen in congress so this can change. what we see today. hello, everyone. i'm maria teresa kumar. republicans were willing to leave democracy for dead on january 6th. they revealed the former chief of staff was warned about potential violence at the capitol. the committee allegations that mark meadows knew the scheme to reinstate trump was not legally sound. that testimony coming from meadows' own white house aid. she names nearly