welcome back evan i'm yasmin the sudan if you're just joining us welcome, if you're still with us thank you for sticking around. we have another jam-packed hour ahead of us, big news out of france emmanuel macron is projected to win a second term as president, that hasn't happened since 2002 by the way. being far murray le pen for the second time, a live report from paris is straight ahead plus if you're live in the ground in ukraine as the war enters day 60. senator of state antony blinken, and lloyd austin our expect to meet with ukrainian volodymyr zelenskyy according to an announcement he made yesterday. u.s. officials so far haven't confirm this meeting, however zelenskyy says he will discuss additional weapons, shipments to crane, more on that in just a moment. plus inside a trump rally the former president took the stage in ohio last night to endures

one-time never trumper -- for senate. i'm gonna be joined by the good liars comedy duo who spoke with rally goers. you might be surprised, or maybe not to hear what they had to say. >> how do you feel that what's going on in the ukraine right now? >> i back russia. but >> you back? russia why? >> taking up the bioweapon lands of the u.s. created over there, that's now creating the next pandemic coming in the fall. >> who else is gonna -- beside anthony fauci? >> you got hollywood there, the politicians, elites the, clintons are there, the obamas are there, it goes on and on. >> kevin mccarthy was on today saying he would ask donald trump to resign, why do you think he did that? >> i don't know if that's even real. >> that's just some of it guys, if you wanted to run for the rest of it a little bit later on in this hour, and coming up at the bottom of the hour this is a can't miss conversation,

ukrainian fighter pilot moon fish is joining me to talk about the challenges ahead as russia's looking to take the control of southern and eastern ukraine. i want to start in the ukraine, volodymyr zelenskyy says defensive lloyd austin and secretary of state antony blinken were -- forces to storm an area of mary opal, as many as 2000 civilians have been sheltered in a bombed out city. nbc's kyle curry is in the city of kyiv. kyle, talk me through it the white house not confirming this visit as of yet. you and i spoke yesterday, obviously is likely because of security reasons on the ground there, and then you have simultaneously the strikes continuing in the city of mariupol, talk us through all that's going on today? >> yeah, so we are where we are unfortunately 24 hours ago the something new to report on this potential visit. we've heard from president zelenskyy saying that meeting will take place today, a little bit more background on this meeting though, we could tell you how this works.

if it's a high delegation like this one secretary of state, secretary of defense often in the past the u.s. government will embargo any information on these visits in till they have left the combat zone. that is the country of the visit, so enough grunt iraq and afghanistan for example they were unable to report about the meeting until they got out of the area. i'm not seeing that's what's happening here, that could be what's happening here if in fact these two gentlemen were in the city i am in today. as you laid out, this is a country that is -- strikes that have taken place. just in the last 12 to 24 hours in the city of -- we heard of nine separate pocket attacks, where i am just nine separate strikes in the last two hours in that city. in the tara territory of danya ask two children were killed today, five and 14, with the governors calling consistent shelling on a residential building in that area. the senior vice president said that mariupol continues to see selling over the last 12 hours,

he was hoping for an eastern truths, orthodox christian celebrating easter that cease-fire did not happen nor -- and they're calling for special round negotiated on that city. this video on the left side of your screen's new drone footage from the yeah off brigades, provided to the media shows reporting which is a city that has been leveled, a city, in many way has been wiped off the map. all of that, the backdrop potentially for this high level delegations on what is the two month anniversary now of this war, jasmine. >> kyle, and if you had the opportunity spoke for troops on the ground, especially with this meeting happening with zelenskyy, how are ukrainians they're feeling in the capital city if in fact this city is happening with secretary austin and blinken? >> today was a fascinating day to walk around the city because it's easter sunday hair so everybody was heading into the churches, so many other people that were heading in the

churches were doing so in their fatigues, in their uniforms, some of them were frontline fighters you could see that based on the weapons they carry, the uniforms they were wearing. all which is a long way of saying that people i think are gonna react to the meeting by asking what changed, what was new, what new weapons were delivered, what new funding is on the way. because so many people that were in the capital today on a high holy day here in this country, are gonna be headed back to the front to fight. we still don't have frankly the good picture of the casualty numbers, ukrainian soldiers and civilians are taking we just know that it is a very high. >> kyle perry for, us as always thank you. i want to tell me next guest now president of the chicago council for global affairs and former u.s. ambassador to nato, ambassador thank you for joining us we appreciate it. so, zelenskyy said it himself visit, come, show your support but do not come empty-handed. the significance of this possible visit happening between secretary austin,

blinken, and ukrainian president, what is it and how important is the message of it that the do not come empty-handed, they're coming to show their solidarity with ukraine but also to deliver on the promise to provide more and continued military aid? >> well, clearly they're gonna come on the heels of having already supplied a lot of military aid, more than any other country, 3.7 billion dollars worth of military equipment just now announced later last week in the last few days, and i'm sure they're gonna come with more, there is been very extensive discussions between secretary austin and national security -- o'sullivan ember counterparts and what they need, and they work 24/7 to try to find those weapons to be able to be sent over. but it's also important politically to really most senior people of in the

president and vice president to come and visit kyiv. to look for it for themselves, what is happening here and to demonstrate to the united states that is four square behind ukraine with the weapons, with the money, with the expertise, with the intelligence that's something we don't talk a lot about for obvious reasons. and enables ukraine to fight the fight and ultimately to win this war. >> let me read for folks what we heard yesterday as we heard news of this possibly happening saying, excellent and reopen the embassy wall -- free and independent ukraine is having fully open embassy in the capital. talk about why you believe that so important? >> that's the permanent. one thing for a very senior american official to come in and with the security and secrecy that is necessary that kyle just talked about, be in the country. one of us it's another thing for us to be there 24/7, that's what embassies and diplomats do, and our diplomats are trained to be in any situation

including the situation that is this dangerous as this one. and i am for sure know that the diplomats who have been outside of ukraine helping the best they can to represent the american interests in the country are eager to go back in to be both a simple of america's commitment to the city of kyiv, but importantly to be there as a direct in-person conduit to the government to americans who still remain in the city to represent the united states at the core of a country that needs to be free and independent austin as possible. >> are there still not security concerns when it comes to reopening the u.s. embassy inside kyiv, you think about the message that would send ultimately to moscow which continues to occupy the eastern and southern parts of the ukraine, but nonetheless we have seen obviously attacks that these cities continue in areas like kyiv, surrounding kyiv, lviv as well especially in areas -- vladimir putin believes are

weapons depots, that sort of thing so security concerns when it comes to opening the embassy must be incredibly high, that's the reason why it hasn't happened yet? >> no doubt, the security concerns aren't real. we've had an embassy in afghanistan through the entire 20 years of war there. we had an embassy open in iraq and we continue to do so. we have embassies and very dangerous places, it's what we do. we are represented across around the world, the diplomats know that they're -- part of their job. but it is in fact essential when you're facing these kind of situations that we are present, that we show the flag, but that with your are there to help the people of the united states of course to get american assistance, economic or otherwise into the country to be a direct conduit as i said to the ukrainian government and the ukrainian people, and yes it's dangerous business, but nobody joins the foreign service just so that they can go to paris and hang

out there, they want to serve their country and if that's in places of danger there more than happy to do so. and they've done it in some cases they've saved lives. >> let me ask you this, when we get back to 2014, and the first invasion of ukraine backed by vladimir putin and where we are today, how dangerous would it be if zelenskyy were to agree to give putin the southeastern parts of ukraine for instance, if russia will continue to occupy those areas and the ukrainian army and military were not able to fight them back, what would that mean for the future of ukraine? >> well ultimately of course, the question is how ukraine decides to settle an end to the war at least to the end to the fighting is really up for the ukrainians themselves to decide, they're the ones fighting, they're the ones dying, they're

the ones who are suffering. the incredible consequences of the brutality of russian forces which we've now been seeing in growing disbelief really on our screen for the last eight weeks. by that said, it clearly is the case that if putin is able to achieve through the use of this brutality and military force, a larger conquest of ukraine then and which he has already achieved in 2014 by annexing crimea. that would pose a serious long term problem for security, it would be incumbent on the circumstance that we, the west, the european union, nato, united states really think about how we can have a relationship with the rest of ukraine that is still free, that ensures that no more war is likely to happen, we cannot become member of the ukraine-y in union, a member of nato, even if all the territory that is currently ukrainian isn't

ukrainian hands in order to make sure whatever is happening today, it doesn't happen again tomorrow. >> it doesn't happen again tomorrow, we thank you. good to talk to you. still ahead everybody the battle for odessa, -- big >> launch again to break down russia's strategy to overtake the southern port city. but first, francis had to said to the pole for the next president, early projections are saying emmanuel macron will win reelection. >> but [speaking french] >> what major political implications the french election could have on the rest of europe. that's next. res of europe. that's next. that's next. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ we believe there's an innovator in all of us. ♪ ♪

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for macron. he's the first french president to be reelected in 20 years. it's pretty stunning. a it's a vote for stability, continuity, by the french europe. europe doesn't have that much of that right now. not just president macron, but there will be many western leaders who will be grateful to the french people tonight now. there was the 42% for marine love pen, that will have political analysts concerned. it does indicate the continuing rise of the right in france. albeit they had a choice of two candidates. but she has lost now for a third time. essentially, rejected. her brand of popular politics for a time. keep in mind, president macron warned the french people.

he said to the french people, don't let similar situations play out, as he said it. brexit or the election of president trump. for macron supporters, they believe that this is a hopeful, positive moment. president macron very much try to prevent himself -- it's a country that's very divided, particularly on domestic issues like inflation. >> let me ask you this. the parisian's, french, are they worried about the 42% turnout for le pen? it's higher than 2017. she just got 20% back in 2017. her popularity is increasing. incredibly worrisome as someone with her type of political backing, a far-right candidate

that she is? >> yes, it is worrying for the people who support candidates like macron. she did the run essentially in many ways during the campaign. but there are also multiple currents in french society right now but there are many things that viewers will recognize in the u.s.. issues of people -- deep concerns for families trying to make ends meet. she had it of course questions of immigration to the mix. there were many different reasons why people will have voted for le pen. it's worth remembering they only had two choices. in the first round they had multiple candidates. the votes got split between multiple people. just give you an example, the bernie sanders character, he got more than 7 million votes.

and all those votes, they had to figure out whether they would back macron who le pen was portraying as an elitist. or whether they would support le pen, and perhaps surprisingly for folks who are in france or follow french politics closely, there were millions of those votes for the bernie sanders fellow candidate who moved over four le pen, despite her far-right big residents. >> yeah. sounds familiar to many of us from the united states as well, that type of story. keir simmons, thank you. coming up after the break, my highly anticipated interview with the ukrainian firefighter moon fish. marjorie taylor greene, will she be barred for running for the election? --

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ukraine where the port city of odessa is coming into focus is a key russian prize. richard, walk us through this. when you see? >> comments coming from military leaders that are focusing on odessa and the west. odessa would be quite a win for russia. it handles about 15% of the trade that comes out of ukraine, according to its -- not to mention the new potential trade for military lanes through to the south. this is just a sense of what was happening over the last 24 hours. russian missiles striking the core of odessa, but you'll notice when they are coming from the caspian sea. about 1000 miles, according to ukraine officials. typically the missiles are

coming from here. not this far. this is uncommon. is there a reason why given the current russian military power on the black sea right now? again, this is where they normally launch. there are missiles. more for you at the moment, according to ukraine's southern air defense forces, it fired six missiles from this location, traveling back 1000 miles. ukrainian air defense taking down two of them along the way, but to successfully hitting one military target and two striking this presidential building where nbc was at earlier over the weekend. president zelenskyy saying a three month old baby was among the eight that were killed there in odessa. as you could probably tell, one of the vulnerable cities, and especially by sea. in fact, early ukrainian military analysis earlier,

yasmin, said russia was capable of using 12 ships here. each ships holding five battalions of about 400 military personnel. all being able to attack odessa. and the week ukrainian naval armada, very minimal. the russian artillery and air attacks, they can also weaken odessa as they attack. then there is the 1500 russian troops that could come from moldova and create a second front there in odessa. this is where might help out the ukrainian forces. this is because there are some natural areas that are protected. with the russian military progress in the south, the question is, does, and what does that mean in terms of what could happen in this area? claude >> yeah, i wonder if it's leaving or the some more vulnerable? when you think about obviously the occupation and the progress

that russia is making in the south. >> that's a good point. as we watch this it turning more and more red. if you zoom in to these little yellow lines, these are rivers. these are estuaries. these are tributaries. they protect odessa from the military forces that are coming from the east. they are natural, would they call kill zones. these kill zones or spaces where ukrainian forces have good defenses from these forces. in addition to widowed the second do, what ukrainian forces can do, is they could put mines in the water that are surrounding the areas here, making it much more difficult for amphibious assault. just a little bit a, looking at the siege of odessa and the history of with this city has -- russians, remember how cautious the city's. during world war ii, the

soviets were the ones defending the sports city. pictures from history here. they were outnumbered, the soviets, as much as 10 to 1 in the city. they are still at the moment, and at that time, they made the powers pay for their victory dearly. called the siege odessa. that's one of the old stories. it's with this is. it's told throughout all the country, and ukraine does not want to have to tell that story again. he >> richard louis, thank you. as always, we appreciate it. i want to bring in an ukrainian air force pilot who goes by simon fish in an effort to protect his identity. moon fish, thank you for joining us, we appreciate you're glad we're safe and appreciate that you are speaking with us today. -- you and your countrymen fighting alongside anne. what was it like before you head out on your missions in the sky? are you nervous when you go?

>> well, it was the most intense for the first couple of days. le pen especially those first weeks. le pen was to decide whether they -- the russians would be able to win the air support in ukraine or not. those were the times that most of the heavy fighting and air fighting to place. but now i, since [inaudible] we feel free to operate in all the areas that they are not controlling. we do a lot of -- sometimes bold sometimes smart. but we keep fighting.

those look more routine day-by-day. >> it looks more routine day-by-day despite the fact that you are in the midst of a war. talk to me about odessa, as we just heard from my colleague richard louis. it seems as if the russians are focusing on the fort city of odessa. your air defense system has intercepted two missiles. are those the type of missiles that you, as a fighter pilot, you can intercept and i how targeted is your response to that type of missile? >> to begin with, those are not the first types that have been fired from the caspian sea into ukrainian territory. if you watch that map are closely, you will notice that most of the time --

were traveling on the russian controlled parts. the only chance law [inaudible] at the very end of their flight, which is like right over the city of odessa. despite there were only two out of six [inaudible] anne -- not bad results. we do have law, like, situations -- but that's our job to do. [inaudible] pretty possible to be shut down by the fighter jet. but actually our fighter drones in this case are doing much better. >> so this comes into the

question with the type of technology that you as a fighter pilot has of access to. the weapons you have access to to keep the russians off and fight them back from the territory they've now occupied in the east and south. because from what i understand and correct me if i'm wrong, moonfish, you don't have the technology is a fire -- fighter pilot to release a missile without tracking it alongside the missile. if you wanted to drop a missile from your jet, you would have to fly into russian-controlled territory. that is one of the reasons why zelenskyy and so many other people are asking for a post soviet era fighter jets, so that you could fight the russians back. >> well, i would describe the reason for why president zelenskyy is asking for those fighter jets, it's to replace our losses that we already have been having. but to get russian jets as well

as russian cruise missiles as far as possible from our side a we actually need much more than old fighter jets. modern ground to air defense systems. new fighter jets. puck [inaudible] [inaudible] the warfare in the air, in the warfare on the ground. >> if you had an f 15, f 16, two questions, how quickly would it take you to learn how to fly it and what would you be able to pull off with that kind of technology? >> if you look at that, for me at least, there are two big questions. the first one, which is the

most obvious, is how to train the pilots. i would say that to train our pilots, it would take a couple to several weeks. i would say up to six weeks to jump to f-16. there's another question of ground personnel of the crew chiefs. all the personal guard -- third, a very big question is how to get all those armaments for those jets -- were usually it takes up to a year, maybe more to build that logistic to supply those shots. in this case, i would say that

going from a 15 f-16, f-16 is not that big of a deal. this is why era [inaudible] we among the air force officers, at this moment are asking more for those ground to air defense systems. because that would be easier putt and faster for our air defense. and then we could [inaudible] >> moonfish, one of the biggest issues you are facing in the sky right now? >> >> the biggest issue is that the russian fighter jets, they are more advanced than ours. they are lighter weight than ours and their missiles go

further than ours. e over this past couple of weeks, we have learned, a couple of weeks, where we can counter that, but it is still a big thing. and i believe that the air force pilots -- it like a big win for our ground forces, the country, the democracy, we'd be to kick those jets further away from our territory and from taking our cities as soon as possible. >> is it safe to say, moonfish, that you are on the defense

right now, or you are actually having offensive missions? this is a question from our own colonel jacobs. what are the targets right now for you? >> i am the fighter pilot. i'm doing air to air missions. i am doing 100% -- missions right now. we also have bombers. we also have our tech aircraft. they are doing different kinds of missions. every day. >> and whether or not you can answer the question, as to the types of targets your focusing on? >> well, i talked to the guys. i talked to bombers. i talked to attackers. i don't actually know with their targets are.

i assume, let's say, big and important targets, like maybe some places a where they get refuelling. or something like that. but i'm not really -- [inaudible] >> moonfish, we thank you for taking the time. thank you for everything that you are doing. for your country and we wish you the best. please stay safe in your journey ahead. thank you. up next, everybody. the two men behind the good liars podcast, trump supporters at the former president's rally in the high last night. they join me next with just some of what they heard. jus some of what they heard. >> you think russia are the good guys in the situation? >> yes, i do. and i will go to my dying grave

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♪ voltaren. the joy of movement. donald trump's rallying and delaware, ohio last night featured predictable moments rounds about democrats, false claims of stolen election, and endorsement off but j.d. vance. in fact the most unexpected moments may have come from rally goers themselves who threw their support around somebody other than trump for once. take a listen. >> who would you rather have president joe biden or vladimir putin? >> putin. definitely. >> if joe biden or vladimir putin running for president of the new states in 2024 would you vote for? >> not joe biden. at least he has some principles,

he loved his country, very similar to trump innocents. >> all right with me now to discuss jason silva comedian co-host of the good liars, welcome jason, thanks for joining me this apologies on my voice it's a little bit of an allergy situation. -- i gotta love your response there when they kind of laugh along some the guy like, yeah, yeah to egg him on. what is your raw reaction, this questions to both of you when you hear these people say that, that they would rather survive a put in as president of this country versus joe biden? >> it's pretty odd. i think these are the same people who say that they hate cancel conductor, and cancel control in russia is totally different than the u.s. like a vladimir putin wants to cancel you, you go to prison or your poisoned.

it's a totally different ball game there so it's really bizarre to hear people say that they prefer putin. >> i think it shows how russian propaganda works, how people really distrust everything they see from the mainstream here and it goes really, really far in that direction, it's surprising. >> so, here's the question right people watching this would say will how many people did you actually speak to, right? is this just a segment of the thousands of people that were actually at this rally, you guys attend these things all the time, how pervasive our opinions like this one, how pervasive, how consistent are those conspiracy theories that we saw on some of your -- leading up to me speaking with you in which someone was talking about in gitmo, talking about these crazy conspiracy theories how consistent do you hear those types of things? >> well, it's obviously it's a sample audience is trump supporters that love him so much that they would go to a

trump rally, so that's a certain percentage of the population. and then as far as these conspiracy theories goes i would say it is above 25% of the people that we stop and talk to. i think it's a self selecting group to some degree but it is a surprising number of people. you have some people who have a reaction that we would expect, that putin is the bad guy in this situation but others are just like legally full saying the u.s. is the bad guy and putin is trying to help us. so, it's a lot more then we'd be settling. yes. >> so then it seems as though there is this glaring a blind spot when it comes to the former president, i want to play for folks in exchange that one of you had, not sure which one of you will, above latin putin and the type of person they think he is, let's listen. >> what do you think about vladimir putin? >> he's a piece of crap,

[laughs] >> if you're lucky he'll poison you. >> do you think vladimir putin is a black? guy >> yes, yes. he kills. people power grab, power grab steal peoples land. what do you leave people alone -- >> how would you feel if people called him a genius? >> i feel sick [laughs] , >> that person wouldn't be fit to lead right? >> no. >> so, jason for a moment in that exchange [laughs] >> was there ever a moment in that exchange -- >> it's good to find common ground. >> did you say well donald trump said that, the former president call vladimir putin a genius, did you ever bring that to, or does it not seem worth it? >> she actually i believe, i don't to mess this up, i

believe she said that she wasn't even sure she wanted donald trump to run in 2024, right? i think she said that she was hoping that desantis would run, but like a lot of people if you confront them with the facts most of the time they shrug it off and somehow square what they say over the new information and just sort of brush it off. so, that's something we've consistently seen as well if you point out what happened, whatever. >> there is alternative facts. >> that's the moral of the story. [laughs] >> as coined by kellyanne conway [laughs] how we would fly under the radar as you go to these -- we've known you for a very long time but you're still able to get this out, these interview with these people seemingly that have no idea who you are, your intentions. >> well, it is interesting we didn't get stopped a couple

times yesterday at the rally and it kind of blew my mind. a lot of people stopped us and said we love your videos, and i was like we are at a trump rally right now, this is so bizarre. but they probably didn't associate with some of the extreme views that some of the other people have, or they were just there to have a good time. i. guess >> we like to hope people kind of get it or try to show some of the beliefs, the wild beliefs that are out there -- recognized will say to their fans. we'll see a far that takes. as >> well, there happens to be people that were not fans of. so, yeah. but khakis in a buttoned down hopefully get you a long way in this world, actually i think. >> -- thank you guys always. anytime you get any of these rallies please do come back and share with us some of the stuff you guys get there. we appreciate. it we love having you on. thank you. guys still ahead loss to the

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case disqualify congressman, marjorie taylor being, for running for congress but to submit additional briefs. from there the judge in the case is expecting to make a ruling on whether green violated the 14th amendment and whether there is enough merit to be sent over georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger for a final call. at friday's hearing, attorneys press the congressman for her alleged role in the lead up to january six insurrection. green became more than a little forgetful. >> when did you first become aware there was gonna be large demonstrations on the sixth? >> i don't. recall >> put who put on your calendar? >> i don't. no >> somebody on your staff i take? it >> i have no idea. >> you yourself have use the term 1776 to describe if that's a january six 2021? >> i don't recall, just saying. >> all right by the way isn't in a time that greene claim that she did not remember

something pretty stunning related to the capitol insurrection. >> prior to the inauguration in 2021, did you advocate for martial law with the president of the united states? >> i don't recall. i do not recall. >> are you saying that you don't remember what happened? >> i don't recall anything. >> let's bring out readout block writer john jones, great to talk to you at this hour. so, ahead of this whole hearing thing you actually wrote this. i want to read it for folks. under oath, and to protect their eligibility for this race, green may have to run away from the radical claims that made her celebrity around her far-right supporters. if she doesn't reject those claims, she runs the risk of not being on the ballot. it seems as though she tried to walk a tightrope, how do you think she did? >> yes, yes thanks for having me. when i wrote that i didn't take into account that

representative green would develop a case of amnesia and forget things that have come out of her own mouth. you know, the 14th amendment of the constitution states that no one who has believed to have engaged in insurrection or rebellion can serve in congress. unfortunately the fact of the matter in this case are not really up for debate. the things that marjorie taylor greene said, that she believed to have amounted to sparking insurrection are available for everyone to see in the comments she made stating that nancy pelosi was traitorous and she deserve to die. that's available to the public, there's remarks saying that we can't just allow for the peaceful transition of power, that's available for everyone to see on video. so, it really was just a matter of representative green denying the facts that are really blatantly obvious to everyone. i do feel a sense of empathy for your viewers who might be watching this thinking, for the

last five years right-wing extremist really haven't been held to account. so, why would this case be any different? and reality, it's entirely possible that representative green is not held accountable, and that she still ever to serve in congress despite the inflammatory remarks she said. what this does, it introduces into the realm of political possibility the idea of accountability. we know that that can be a deterrent hopefully for people who might look to follow what representative green's footsteps and also engage in this ugly, divisive, and frankly violent rhetoric. >> yeah, there's the idea of accountability and then there's actual accountability and i think folks who are at this point really want to see actual kind of illuminate comes to marty telegram, when it comes to kevin mccarthy, mark meadows, and everyone else it's connected to what place on january 6th, vice president, the president and all the way on down. that being said, you make a

good point there are so many evidence to back up where marjorie taylor greene was on january 6th. the things she said, the thing she did leading up to january six, as well despite the fact she says she doesn't recall those tweets that have evidence to show what she was doing and how she was thinking at that time. so how, japan, with all that in mind and her testimony to see this thing playing out? >> that's a very good question, i do see this case as a microcosm for broader discussion we're having nationwide as to whether that will be any accountability for people who we see stoking violence, really before our eyes. and so, i don't know what the results of this case will be, i know that representative green does not want to be answering questions under oath. she made the rounds on conservative media all last week, complaining about it, and so we know this is not a situation that people like her want to face.

and so ultimately i think there's benefits to her publicly having to introduce questions even if we do see her sworn and been evasive we know that these people are cowards, they don't want to be held into account under oath. and this was a success even if it doesn't result and her getting barred from participating. >> jon jones, thank you, great to talk to on this hour we appreciate. and that wraps up i'm jasmine -- back in the chair next saturday and sunday, reverend al shook and politicsnation starts now. al shoo and politicsnation starts now. good evening, and good welcome to evening and welcome politicsnation. to politics nation tonight. easter in the east. right now, i'm talking about the millions of ukrainians -- today's orthodox easter with