if it's tuesday, the secretary of state antony blinken testifies before the senate. as the u.s. presses its western allies for more military support for ukraine. amid new evidence of war crimes in mariupol. this as president bidens faces new legal and political uncertainty at home after a federal judge moves to block the administration from winding down the pandemic era restrictions at the southern border. and mean, three-ring circus

disappointing. that's some of the reaction from undecided voters in pennsylvania after watching last night's fiery republican senate primary debate. county to county in this crucial race, just ahead. welcome to "meet the press daily." days after meeting face to face with so lent skit, officials are facing renewed questions about policy towards the war in ukraine. on the hill right now, the secretary of state antony blinken testified before the senate foreign relations committee after telling lawmakers that ukrainian forces will continue succeeding in their efforts to defend their country and that the the united states support must not let up.

>> power and purpose of american diplomacy. we have to continue to drive that diplomacy forward to seize what i believe are strategic opportunities as well as address risksen presented by russia's overreach as countries are reconsidering their policies, their priorities, their relationships. the budget request before you predated this crisis, but fully funding it is critical to make sure the war in ukraine is a strategic failure for the kremlin. >> after saying yesterday that the united states' objective was to weaken russia, lloyd austin melt with nato koupt parts where he made this promise to ukraine. >> to leave with a common and transparent understanding of ukraine's near term security requirements because we're going it keep moving heaven and earth so we can meet them. >> that proclamation came as

germany facing mounting pressure from western allies to do more announced it would be sending heavy weapons to ukraine. germany has moved quite a ways when it comes to participating. while rging the west not to get more involved. it's only a world war. if russia decides to make it one. russia continuing its offensive while still hitting targets in other major cities. officials say russian forces took out a bridge in the south that connects the southern region with neighboring romania. and the mayor of mariupol says there appears to be a third mass grave found in the city and russian troops have been forcing civilians to dig the trenches in enchange for food and water. for more on the situation in country, i'm joined by matt bradley. he's in ukraine.

national security analyst clint watts is here and so is jeff edmonds. i want to start with matt in ukraine today. let's just talk about what we know today, the fighting in the east. some increased missile strikes after blinken and austin left kyiv. give us the lay of the land this afternoon as you see it. >> it's not going to hit quite close to home here. i'm in eastern ukraine. and we're about a couple hours northwest of mariupol, the city that's been besieged for the better part of the entire war. we heard three cruise missiles, three explosions right overhead. they were flying not only over us in the city, but over that huge nuclear power plant.

they have seen that time and time again. but this is all part of this eastern offensive that we have been waiting to hear about. waiting to see on the ground so far. we have seen a lot of attacks, cruise missiles, like i saw this morning. we heard from the local officials there was at least one casualty, two of those cruise missiles made impact. one of them apparently blew up in the air. so so far this eastern offensive that we have been hearing about over and over again is about to start any day now. we have been hearing this from intelligence officials in the u.s. and britain and ukraine. and instead, it seems to have been only in the sense of artillery, only in the sense of crews missiles, not in achievements on the ground for the russians. they have managed to get some villages. today they managed to get the city that was northwest of where we are. but we're not actually seeing them making any appreciable

gains on the ground. that's because it doesn't seem that the russians are giving themselves enough time to reconstitute their forces that were so badly damaged in their failed humiliation in the west of the country around kyiv and in the northeast. that second largest in ukraine that they are still pummelling. but you were asking about the strikes yesterday against railway stations. that looked like it was kind of a warning from those two cabinet level officials that just came into ukraine and spoke with volodymyr zelenskyy. they are attacking these railway stations and putting them on notice. >> matt bradley in eastern ukraine for us. thank you. let me go to clint watts here. we think we know what the russian strategy is now, but are they able to execute? >> it's really unsure because even when you see them redeploying forces, they are still taking losses if you went out on social media really at

any point on any given day, you'll you'd still see russian losses being taken. the big unknown is the status of the ukraine military. we adopt know what their strength is or what the resupply of repositioning is like in eastern ukraine. that's why you're hearing some defense officials give different per spepgs sepgss of what's going on in eastern ukraine. one of the secretary austin's comments that ukraine can win is very much true. but how do we know this? i think that comes down to what has ukraine been able to achieve and what they will be able to do and how quickly will they reposition in terms of man power and getting a lot of the weaponry coming in from the u.s. and now we hear about germany getting it out to the east. and then what will russia do in response. will they escalate the world war iii comment again mentioning a nuclear -- they are essentialy trying to feign they might escalate even further. but i think the russian military

in terms of the man power and commitment is severely degraded. even when they take ground, they are not really able to hold it. they are meeting resistance in the area, which means logistical resupply ever the more harder over time. >> do you get the sense that while that we're providing intelligence, but are we more involved in the logistics part of this than perhaps we're admitting? because it does seem as if we're asking a lot of the ukrainian military and this ukrainian government, which is in the middle of a war in order to know what weapons are coming in, what's available to them, do you sense that there's an entity here that is nato that essentially is managing this? >> i don't think that managing it inside ukraine, but it's pretty remarkable the speed and volume of logistics that are being pushed right up to the border. this is indicative by russia's

airstrikes against the railways. they are trying to slow that down as much as possible. what you do see, which is remarkable, is the russians cannot resupply in their own country as fast as what i think nato and the european partners can do to the edge of ukraine out in the west. no one does logistics better than the u.s. military. no one. we did 20 years with two battles. iraq and afghanistan. no one can match us at that. when you add all the partners in there right up to the border, it really is just a race of can the western supplies get from western ukraine it to the battlefield in the east as quickly as russia can reply splooi. there's been two strikes now inside russia on oil infrastructure. that also will bring a slowing to any sort of convoys over time it's going to make it more difficult to sustain the fuel and the margins. >> basically our man that tracks the russian military strategy and the russian troop movements

for us, clint watts, thank you. let me bring in jeff edmonds for the center for new american security. so met me just start before we begin our conversation. let's set the table here and specifically show what lloyd austin said, which right now appears to be a slight shift in a clear understanding of the american strategy now going forward. here it is. >> they are, in fact, in terms of military capability, weaker than when it started. it will be harder for them to replace some of this capability as they go forward because of the sanctions and the trade restrictions that have been placed on them. and so we would like to make sure, again, that they don't have the same type of capability to bully their neighbors that we saw at the outset of this conflict. >> when he used the words weak, it did strike me, vladimir putin

has been saying that america wants to weak russia basically since the day he took office. it's true now. eventually if you tell people that that's what our intent is, at some point, it might become true. now it is. it's one thing to say it. how do we do it? >> i think when you look at the devastating losses of the russian military has taken, we continued to that and provide more heavy guidance to continue to weaken that military. some of us in the realm think it's been set back. when you look at the severity of the economic sanctions and the other economic impacts, i don't think we have seen the full impact on the russian economy yet. that's going to weaken russia going forward. so i think his comments are really encompass that. and i think it's a change. it's a natural implication and extension of a policy we already have. >> so at this point, this means, as our strategy to arm ukraine with everything they need to win

win or everything they need to bog russia down? >> i think that's really up to the ukraines. and to the earlier comments, one thing we don't know is what is the ukrainian goal in this to push russians back. is it to be more satisfied with the situation as it was before the conflict started. but i think we're try tricing to provide enough weapons for them to ensure their own sovereignty and security and do what they need to do as far as their national goals are concerned. >> the russian attempts to try to saber rattle on nukes hasn't accomplished much. it's not as if the west is worried about it. if it were working, finland and sweden wouldn't be moving forward with trying to join nato. are we being a little -- are we

ignoing it too much to the point are you concerned that they may decide, yeah, you don't believe us, just watch. now we'll do a test somewhere that you don't like. are we right to go about it the way and not pay much attention to their nuclear saber rattling? >> i think we're going about it right now. i don't think the russians are going to use a tactical nuclear weapon in ukraine. if this does evolve into a nato war, we need to be more concerned. i think we're going to see going forward is that the more the russians lose, the more they are going to bring up the speck tort of nuclear weapons as a way to coerce us to back off. maybe we should force ukraines to the negotiating table and lessen the burden on russia. we're going to see more of that going forward. >> that's what's going on the hard part at some point. there's going to be a lot of people that say don't give the

russians anything. full humiliation. if that becomes the goal, does it make ending this impossible? >> i don't know that it does. i think a lot of people fought for the russians to achieve that, i don't know that's actually available to the russians at this point given their losses. so i think the russians may actually suffer a strategic defeat here. i think there's an internal debate into how much we try to make that happen. but i agree with our approach now of arming the ukraines without us getting involved with our armed forces. >> finally, i'm going to ask the u.n. secretary general. he's meeting with putin today. he's going to meet with zelenskyy tomorrow. he's not happy with the order. i imagine the u.n. secretary general felt as if he had to go to a permanent member first before he went to ukraine. do you expect it to accomplish much? >> no.

i don't think from russia's perspective they would take anything. they are already struggling to walk away from this with roughly what they had walking into it p they have lost a lot when they pulled out of kyiv. so i don't think he's in a position to offer anything up at all to either the u.n. or ukraines. >> i think one thing this crisis has shown is how how much the u.n. really doesn't know how to play a role in things like this. jeff edmonds from the center of american security, thank you. we have some breaking news in the last hour. the white house says the vice president kamala harris testify tested positive for covid-19. they say she's asymptomatic. she will continue to work as she isolates at the residence. she's not been in close contact with the president and will return to the white house when she tests negative. still to come, new questions

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welcome back. the plan to lift title 42 in less than four weeks hit a legal road block. news broke yesterday out of louisiana that a trump appointed federal judge would pause the effort to end the covid policy at the border. now this restraining order has not been filed yet and would only be temporary. when it comes after 20 states, sue the biden administration to

keep title 42 in place. citing chaos at the border on asylum seekers are lifted as planned. it's an issue that divided some in the presidential party, at least a dozen democrats have called for a more detailed plan from the white house before they lift the may 23rd order as border officials are warning of the surge in crossings. as many as 12,000 crossings a day. julia joins me now. i don't mean to be a cynic here, but there are plen at the white house that politically have basically been wondering/hoping that the courts would hand thl for them. it looks like maybe they are going to get their wish. >> that's actually been a hope for a long time. even before this lawsuit, there were administration advocates suing to try to get them to lift title 42 and they were allowing them to keep it. now you have the other side. they are able to blame the courts to some extent. it's important here to remember

what this does say. right now, this is only to keep the biden administration from winding down title 42 before the end date. that's the time they want to lift this. states said they wanted a temporary restraining order. in the meantime while the discussion continued to play out on a preliminary injunction to keep them from lifting it on may 23rd. so we haven't got ton the heart of this case yet, which is whether or not they can lift it may 23rd. but it's starting to play out and look like this judge may go that drx. there's also another case in texas and the southern district of texas where that state has asked for an injunction on this. plenty of this is playing out in the courts. you're right, maybe this is a way that the biden administration could say, look, our hands are tied. we have to wait to lift this because right now there's so much pressure for them to keep it there. but not from a humanitarian perspective when you have immigration advocates talking about how seriously terrible

these conditions are for the people waiting. >> julia, i talked to plenty of people about this. there's a potential plan to deal with this. are they going to unveil it publicly? are we going to see something soon? i assume perhaps before we see the secretary testify on the hill this week? >> i think you're right. we're going to see him tomorrow and he's expected to go over the detailed plan. we also may get some more details on that today. they are going to try talk about how they have more law enforcement agencies going to be coordinating with agencies. money they are sending down to the board tore these towns to prepare for a surge. but i was just down at the border about a week and a half ago talking to mayors and sheriffs who said they are preparing for riot drills. they think these ports of industry could be run. it's hard to see what the secretary could offer in terms of funding and more man power

when people are trying to avoid what could look like real serious violent clashes at the border. >> that's the ugly pictures are something that obviously politically the biden administration is worried about. julia, thank you very much. let me bring in congresswoman veronicaest cobar. congresswoman, i think everybody agrees there's going to be a surge. we have so many job openings. our economy is much stronger right now in compaison. so there's a lot of reasons why people maybe coming. what would you like to see done to prepare? >> i have to tell you first and foremost, we have to acknowledge that congress has really been derelict in their

responsibility. there's been conversations about what the biden administration should do. certainly, the administration has a responsibility. but it has been decades since congress has enacted any form of immigration reform. the closest we came was in 2013. and the far right members of the republican party, those members in the tea party, some of whom are still here in congress today, complaining about this issue, they derailed those plans for comprehensive immigration reform. they might address this issue, but i think it's really important to understand that as we have shrunken legal pathways over the decades, and in fact, title 42 eliminates one of those legal pathways, asylum, we should not be shocked or surprised that the border becomes more and more unmanageable. in fact, the current situation for many of my republican colleagues, it works fine.

it gives them talking points. title 42 basically inflates numbers because when you look at those numbers, you also have to recognize that anywhere between 30 to 50% of those numbers come from what are called recidivists, people making multiple attempts. so i think the republicans love the fact that the numbers are inflated. that's part of why they want to keep title 42 in place. but to your question about -- go ahead. >> there's no doubt. there are two different -- one democratic poitician in 2010 who derailed it thinking it was good politics for democrats. and then it was debraille railed most of the time by the right because they think it's better politic ffrs them to not solve the problem. that's a fair point. but the burden now, and donald trump made the problem worse for political purposes, the burden now is on the biden administration. i get it that at the end of the day, they have to do something here.

what's the near term plan that could work and be humanitarian? >> i think there's a number of things they could do. i have been talking with the administration about these from day one. from day one, i published a piece in the nu times early on in the biden administration calling for a western hemisphere feerk summit. we have to work on migration with all our hemisphere partners from canada all the way to latin america, south america, everyone needs to be at the table. this is a shared responsibility. and there are shared opportunities. we also need to reform the way that we address migration in communities like mine. there are opportunities at processing centers to get border patrol agents out of those processing centers. let's not have them doing data entry, let's get them back to their roles on the border and let's civilize, federal personnel for those processing

centers partnering with nngos. but congress has a role to play as well. if we do not open up some legal pathways, we should not be surprised that we see more and more people trying to follow irregular pathways. >> one idea that i have heard proposed seems pretty reasonable to have essentially processing centers in country. and not accept anybody that comes to the border. immediately return them to their home country, whether it's honduras, panama, they go through the asylum process. i know it would mean a change technically in some wording in the law, but it seems that that would be a way to alleviate the choke points of the border. >> yeah, i wrote a letter to secretary blinken. the state department needs to be far more engaged on this issue.

as i mentioned, not just with the western hemispheric collaborative approach where we have an annual framework that we agree to but we could be be doing in country processing, which would alleviate some of that pressure in communities like mine. it's not just pressure on the communities or on law enforcement, but the pressure that exists for the migrants and the humanitarian challenge that is created as a result. so there are multifaceted approaches. congress has to be at the table finding solutions as well. don't let us off the hook. everybody is letting congress off the hook. and pointing the fingers solely at the biden administration. do not let us off the hook. but further more, i think it's really important to be honest with the american people. because past administrations and past congresss have failed to adequately address this issue, what we have seen, especially over the last decade, are increasing numbers at the border. so unless we tell the american

people, look, this is a really tough issue, it's going to take a long time, prior administrations and prior congresss have kicked the can. help us be in this long the hong haul and not rely on the politics of cruelty. don't let the republicans get away with the fact that they have had opportunities to address this. but let's now work together in this very limited window of opportunity that we have. i am afraid, chuck, that after the midterms, if we get more far right extremist members of congress, finding a shared solution of collaborative solution, a bipartisan solution will only be more illusive. >> you think you can find one now? i don't mean to be cynical, but i don't -- where is it now? and let's be realistic. there's a biden administration want to confront this issue? they look scared. when you act scared, it only

encourages your political opponents to make your problem worse. >> i can't speak for the administration, so i can't say how they feel about it, but what i can tell you is i'm a big believer in leaning into these challenges. whether it be existential challenges like the climate crisis or ongoing chronic challenges like immigration and migration and the growth in migration. i think we need to lean in. we need to be honest with the american people and say, there is no quick and easy solution. you may want that and other members of the republican party may be trying to convince you that there's a quick and easy solution, but there isn't one. and let's acknowledge that the vast majority of americans want to see us provide pathways to citizenship. they want this. so i think there is an opportunity with some of the more moderate members in congress right now who are leaving. members of the republican party, what i would ask them and my

conversations with them are going to be if we truly want to solve this and address this, let's take had this opportunity now. but at the same time, i'm working with the administration and providing them ideas that i'm seeing from the ground that offer real solutions. not what i would consider problematic policies like title 42. >> i like your approach. i just wish somebody would listen to you. it did you want look like many that the to lean into this issue and solve it, they want to do what every other administration has done. sweep it under the rug. congresswoman, really appreciate you coming on and shooting straight with us. >> thank you. coming up, a fight on the right that left some voters a bit unsatisfied. we have new reactions to the fiery republican debate in pennsylvania as we go county to county, that's ahead. you're watching "meet the press daily." ad you're watching "meet the press daily. when you order the all new

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fights play out up close. in fact, we saw both last night as both the parties held thinker primary debates. the democratic side and the front runner on that side remain under fire from all sides, especially over a 2013 incident when fedorman, a mayor of his hometown, confronted an unarmed black man after he heard gunshots. he still has a huge advantage in fundraising and in the polls. on the republican side, we heard a lot of what we're hearing around the country. heapings of praise for the former president, plus candidates spreading nonsense about the 2020 election essentially candidates lying to the voters. in hopes of currying favor with the party's trump loyalist base. take a listen to the two top candidates in the republican primary race. david mccormick and media personality dr. oz.. >> we have a tragedy here that most republican voters don't believe in the integrity of the election. there's all sorts of reasons to worry about.

>> i have discussed with president trump that we cannot move on. we have to be serious about what happened in 2020. we won't be able to address that until we can look under the hood. >> we are monitoring pennsylvania as part of our 2022 project. she also watched the debate with some undecided voters there. so tell us about it. >> reporter: chuck, three weeks from today voters will be casting their ballots in this high-stakes primary. and you know this race has it all. it has big money, big celebrity. there's been wear warfare on the airways. all of that spilled over on to the debate stage last night. the front runners facing off in person for first time. most of the debate consisted of fierce fight between those two. oz. the celebrity doctor, touting his trump endorsement that he received that over his

opponent dave mccormick, who is seeking that support from the former president. mccormick spent most of the night trying to paint oz as too liberal and a flip-flopper. here's what he had to say about celebrity doctors. >> the reason he keeps talking about president trump's endorse ment is because he can't run on his own records. the problem, doctor, there's no miracle cure for flip-flopping. pennsylvanians are say seething through your phone aniness and that's why you're not taking off in the polls. >> reporter: that last line from mccormick did get a bit of a round of applause from the voters we were watching with, who groaned just about every time oz mentioned the trump endorsement. he kept mentioning the trump endorsement. and he is not turning town any time soon. just today mccormick out with another ad attacking oz. this time with trump voters saying that the former president made a mistake with his endorsement.

>> tell me about the voters. how did they react? >> i asked them to describe what they saw last night in one word. some of the words we heard were mean, not constructive, three-ring circus. they were not swayed that much by the two front runners, who was a bit surprising. but we watched the debate with undecided voters and when you look at the polls most recent polls showed oz and mccormick ahead 16% for oz, 15% for mccormick. but 43% of voters are still undecided. that is a huge number. and i'll tell you all of the voters we spoke with, they are trump fans, but his endorsement did not make them oz fans. and last night they were somewhat unimpressed with the two front runners. they were frustrated by the amount of attacks. they wanted to hear more about their own positions on the issues what they wanted to do

for pennsylvanians. people are suffering here from high gas prices. we did this interview at this gas station where last time i was here it was $3.80. it's now $4.19. they wanted to hear more about that. theyed to hear more about infrastructure and roads, which is so crucial to pennsylvania. and they surprisingly, the debate from our small group was jeff barrs to. he's a lifelong pennsylvanian, real estate developer. he's had a great ground game with voters. they appreciated that he focused on the issues for pennsylvanians and did not focuses on his opponents. >> da sha, there's so many examples of two big moneyed primary candidates beating each other up, turning off the voters and a third candidate shooting the last minute. mccormick and oz, car pet baggers. this is written all over them.

does bartos have enough money to take advantage of an opportunity here as i think the big money tv ad spending and the negative nature is probably turning off some voters. >> reporter: he doesn't have nearly enough to compete with these wealthy front runners. they have the money to keep up the warfare on the air waves. bartos does not have that. he's the underdog status, is that going to be enough? the voters liked the underdog, he liked that he wasn't throwing around the big bucks. he was more representative of the average pennsylvanian. but we'll have to see. anything can happen in the state right now. >> thank you for that. still ahead, what $44 billion means about the future

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welcome back. after several weeks of corporate drama, it's official twitter's board of directors accepted elon musk's $44 billion offer to buy the social media giant and take it private. the board chair called the decision, quote, the best path forward for twitter's shareholders. in a thread celebrating the news, jack dorsey was praising calling it the singular solution. and elon's goal of creating a platform that's trusted and broadly inclusive is the right one. in his own tweet, musk proposed ideas towards those goals such

as making the algorithm open source. he also reemphasizes importance of free speech calling it the digital town square. the big questions remain how musk, who has had his own twitter dust ups in the past, will handle content moderation and what it could mean for disinformation and political campaigns. and that is something there are some thoughts that maybe he will token news it. maybe holders will become voters. he would not vote but let the twitter token holders decide who loses their account status and who doesn't. but expect ideas like that to start to percolate as elon musk will throw a lot of stuff at the wall to essentially see what sticks. up next, a potential lesson for democratings on how to fight the culture war attacks. we'll speak with a trat democratic lawmaker whose response went viral. is it the message national democrats need to be echoing?

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groom children and take a listen to her response. >> i am the biggest threat to your hollow, hateful scheme because you can't claim that you are targeting marginalized kids in the name of quote parental rights if another parent is standing upot to say no so then what? you dehumanize and marginalize me? you say i'm one of them. you say she's a groomer. she supports ped fellia, she wants children to believe that they were responsible for slavery and to feel bad about themselves because they're white. >> there right wing has embrace character assassination as a political tactic these days and grooming is new buzz word in order to weaponize this character dehumanization campaign. theirti narrative around

indoctrinateing children has become a big part of the messaging strategy in the mid-terms. it's embraced by the main treatment, this qanon main stream, they see it as a potential roadmap know how to respond to a lot of attacks, democrats will see plenty of heading into november. let's meet mali mallorie mcmara. let me start with what you didn't say. you really held your tongue in some tways. you were able not to get -- you were able to focus that anger in what was a very rational rebuttal. how did you keep your cool? >> there is a lot that i wrote down that i deleted before getting to the capitol on tuesday. because the reason people are disengaging from politics is the mud slinging back and forth.

i wanted to avoid that because i recognize how awful i felt when that fundraising e-mail went out about me and attacks each and every day. we have to put an end so it. it has gone way too far. >> look. it's something many of us in this side of the line as well in thein fourth estate here. we are dealing with this a lot from one media empire. i guess the question is democrats say, you know what, we will ignore those attacks and talk about kitchen table issues. but the people that up listening to your conversation about kitchen table issues are inundated with this nonsense. then they don't listen. so, what do you say to those democrats that say,u hey, vote don't want to hear that they want toar hear what's your plano

lower prescription drugs? >> i think you pointed out earlier in the queue up. this isr about qanon. this was a can conspiracy theory from the darkers corners and used by two major political parties to attack people. so i don't think we can, i can't in good conscience por tend it's not happening, i thought many times, are we giving it air? it's in the main stream. it's i hurting people right now. this isn't about politics. these are people's lives. we havear to stand up for them, especially those likefo me who w not marginalized. >> did you ever think about filing a thlawsuit, character asass -- there is a line here, it's sort of like if we don't hold people account for their dehumanized language, they're going to keepd using it. >> you know, i did, i don't know that that would help all of the kids who can't file a lawsuit. it would be a white lady from

the suburb who's has the resources to do that but i think what is much more powerful is if a lot more people leak me stand up and takeeo the hit because tn we take away the meaning of this word. because it is absolute nonsense. >> yous have also gotten in another issue we deal with, is that the loudest voices on this issue of school curriculum seem to beum winning these legislati fights, whether it's local levels or at state levels. but when you actually start to hold people and you explain to them what it is. thereth is not support for this. so is this a sense of essentially one side has hijacked the ability to change school board policy or change state legislative policy? >> i think it is. i talked to a mom in my district recently and i represent mitt romney's hometown.ey this was a republican district i flipped in 2018, who she is a rational, caring mom, like i am,

who is frustrated after two years of covid-19 and the frustration of school closures and everything that moms have been asked to take on. but she's concerned that people like her are being used for really dark reasons and i think we have to give space and part of the reason i wanted to say, i'm a missouri i'm suburban mom, is ac ubknowledgeing that moms have taken on aow lot over the past few years, we have to acknowledge that thank moms for that and say, okay, suit up, now we got to go fight for everyone else's kids. >> state senator mallory mcmara, i appreciate you coming on, telling us about your experience. >> thank you. >> we will continue with katy tur after this break. we will c tur after this break stress-relf body wash... with a plant-based adaptogen, helps alleviate stress on skin. so you can get back in sync. new dove men. a restorative shower for body and mind. you know liberty mutual customizes your car insurance,

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