good to be with you. i'm kitty tur. it is day 62 of russia's war in ukraine. here's what we know right now. russian foreman sergei lavrov is now warning of the real danger, his words, of a world war. he says the threat of nuclear war, quote, should not be underestimated and nato has now entered a proxy war. that was prompted by the influx of western weapons, including a new commitment from germany to send heavy weapons. germany will send anti-aircraft

vehicles to ukraine. a major boost for that country as it begs western allies to close the skies and end russianary assaults. at a meeting, defense officials, u.s. secretary of state lloyd austin said the united nations and its allies would quote keep moving heaven and earth in order to meet the defense needs of ukraine in this war. at a press conference with reporters after that meeting, austin refused to engage with russia's threats. >> you heard us say a number of times that that kind of rhetoric is very dangerous and unhelpful. nobody kind of wants to see a nuclear war happen. it's a war that you know all sides lose. and so, rattling of saberers and you know dangerous rhetoric is clearly unhelpful and it's something that we won't engage in. >> in the southern ukrainian

city of kherson, russia is tightening its grip. ukraine's flag has been lowered at the city council building. the u.s. mayor says they have seized the local government and plan to stage a referendum to assert here control. and if you crane's north, russian air assaults pummelled kharkiv. most of the residents have fled the constant shellings. for those who remain, or simply cannot leave, it is a difficult life. mark austin met one of the women who stay behind. >> reporter: it is no place at all for anyone to live, but a few still do. and when help arrives, they are overcome. thank you, she tells the volunteers. you are var brave to come here. but she is 74. she tells us she has lived here for half her life and for the

last seven weeks without electricity or running water. somehow, she survives below the ground in the in the darkness and the damp. what food she has is almost gone. what bed she has, well it's this. and what candles she has are running out. >> joining me now is cal perry if kiev. chief foreign correspondent andrea mitchell also joins us from washington. cal, i know you have been speaking to people oak there. what is it like for them right now? >> reporter: so you have a situation where the fighting is confined to the eastern part of the country, hence, donetsk, two in donetsk. one in zapperritzia.

you see the war in the faces of people trying to return home. the u.n. says there are 7.7 million displaced. 15% are trying to get back to the places we have seen in the past week, the fiercest fighting. this is irpin, a suburb in the city of kiev, where we were today, where we were trying to document people coming back, in many cases, this woman, 59-years-old, her house completely destroyed. here's a little sound we got from her today about her experience, katy. >> reporter: so at first i felt hysterics. then i just felt nothing. i was just like a zombie. when they showed us, i asked god to kill me straight away. >> reporter: the part of the effort on behalf of organizations like the european, excuse me, like the united nations is to get food and

medical supplies to these people. you have, okay, these meetings taking place today where the u.n. secretary general in moscow unclear what the united nations' role they can play. this was a topic of the saturday's conference with the ukrainian president. on the other side you have the united states, its european allies trying to arm the fighting we seen in the east. they're trying to increase the flow of those arms, so you really have two different story leans playing out, this fighting in the east and civilians trying to return to their homes. >> i want to ask you about the change in tone. it's a slight shift in tone from the united states. lloyd austin, the defense secretary saying the allies will move heaven and earth to support ukraine, saying our goal is to permanently weaken russia. at the same time, germany is sending more heavy weaponry. it's a beg move for germany. as everyone knows, they have been in a passivist state now

since world war ii, intentionally and for them to do this is big. are our allies, do they have intelligence that they're sharing behind the scenes that suggest that even though lavrov is coming out and saying nuclear war is not out of the question and threatening the west because of a proxy war that they're waging against russia? do we have information, intelligence, that suggests to us that vladimir putin is all talk when it comes to expanding this war beyond the borders of ukraine? >> actually, the intelligence is precisely that he is going to ban it beyond the donbas, but not beyond the borders. not use the nuclear weapons. that was the best information we had about ten days ago from william burns, the head of cia, who is the best putin expert in

the u.s. government, the last u.s. official to have ever met with vladimir putin last november, to warn them not to go into ukraine. a former ambassador to russia. he said that it's always possible we have to be on guard, but he has not seen anything in terms of intelligence, that they were moving anything or changing their posture regarding nuclear weapons the thought is lavrov said last night the foreign minister said is to be threatening again, which the russians have not been in several weeks. at the beginning, they said something threatening in january and early february. not since then. this was the first time. most likely, it was aimed at the revised messaging really from secretary austin and secretary -- not only going to kiev, but going by rail and then making the announcements that they made when they came out in poland. those twin announcements at 2:00

yesterday morning, some of it was looked in the u.s. media as a result of the last 24 hours or so, but finally cominged to was what secretary austin said, we will make sure russia cannot do this again. that was the goal. that was indicating we wanted to downgrade, weaken the russian military, they cannot engage again. they said sometimes ukraine was one and that ukraine was going to be a sovereign, independent nation long after vladimir putin was gone. so those two statements seem to indicate it was if you will a change of mission. that we now are realizing this is not to arm them so they can hold off russia. this would be a frozen conflict, a long-standing frozen conflict, a stalemate until they can get the negotiations. it would be to strengthen ukraine enough to actually start defeating them in this new phase

and, you know, it's not long term to getting them to have a stronger hand in the negotiation king. >> i am wondering about provocation, though, because for so long, our officials had said they are worried about provoking russia and i have always wondered, with sending all the arms that we are sending, how does russia not see this as what they see now, a proxy war and at what point do they feel like we have crossed the line for them? and then we have new reporting out from our colleagues about intelligence sharing between the united states and the ukrainians, intelligence sharing that allows ukraine to manage to shoot down a russian plane carrying troops? they were given specific coordinates according to ken delaney and carol lee and others in washington, of aircraft. that seems to me, we don't have boots on the ground there, but that is a lot of very specific support that is allowing the

ukrainians to hold russia off. >> reporter: well, in fact, they've long since crossed the line between defensive and offensive weapons. they were being criticized for not being offensive in that the retired military officials, current officials quietly were saying, this is the moment right now they did so well with the battle around kiev and now, frankly, russia has the advantage, it's a different kind of tank warfare. it's more to the east, the supply lines are much more difficult for the ukrainian forces. we need to get these weapons not only to the polish border, but have to get them all the way 400 miles and farther to where the fighting is now taking place in the east. that is very difficult than really the best way to do it is by rail. if it's not by rail because of this, you know, our barrage of railroads in the last 48 hours,

it will be very difficult to get it on the roads. so all of this has crossed the line. what they have decided is they will not let vladimir putin define what is offensive, what is defensive? what can nato do because of the illegal border and the atrocities. what we saw in bucha and what we saw in irpin and ba we understand to be the case, certainly from the mass graves we believe to be freshly dug around mariupol. the failure of the russians to agree to humanitarian core ders in and out on easter sunday. all of that led them to believe that vladimir putin is not negotiation if good faith and they have to help ukraine with is thatted this or ukraine will be happened locked, if they whip us out. go to odesa, then they can go farther. they've talked about moldova, where there is a russian break away region, they can work through. so it's now or never and that

the future of western europe and nato is at stake. if teaching russia a lesson because this is not a good invasion. this is not an ambiguous situation as far as the u.s. and europe are concerned. i should also point out that you know that's not the whole world and that india, brazil, mexico, you know, all these other countries, indonesia, you know, are now not condemning, have not condemned the invasion and have not supported u.s. in the u.n. >> worrying about precedent-setting. >> yeah. >> it also harkens back to the cold war, certainly. andrea mitchell. thank you so much for stick around with us. we appreciate your knowledge and reporting. we also have more breaking news out of washington this afternoon, vice president kamala harris has tested positive for covid. her office says she is not experiencing symptoms but will isolate and continue to wok from

her residence. she was not a close contact to the president or first lady. joining me is senior white house correspondent kelly o'donnell. it seems like everyone is getting it down there. >> reporter: it has certainly been a wave of late, that ba.2 subvariant has been dominant of late. here's what we can tell you and explain why the vice president would not be a close contact to the president. vice president harris came to the white house today according to aides ready to have her scheduled meeting with the president's daily brief. that's done in the oval office. before going to that meeting, she is a part of a routine testing submitted to the covid test and that's where the positive turned up. she then had a second pcr test. so first the rapid test. then the pcr test. that's where the positive came up. she had been out of town over the last week in california, her home state. prior to that the most recent times, she saw the president in

person along with the first lady was on easter monday for the easter egg roll. so unusual in their schedule and based on a lot of travel of late, they have not been together so that explains why she is not a close contact to the president. otherwise, she would have been in the normal rhythms of the day and the kind of meetings they typically have. so it is a part of the standard protocol that anyone who is going to see the president up close gets that kind of testing. her aides. i have talked to multiple aides, say she was not experiencing symptoms before that test. she is in the vice president's residence, known as the naval observatory here for the next five days. and we'll see how the course of that illness goes for her. she was given the second booster april 1st. so she's got the vaccines and double booster. and so she should do well, based on those kind of protections and access to the very best medical

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and the latest excerpt from jonathan martin and alex burns' new book. this will not pass and gop leader mitch mcconnell thought the insurrection would finally be the end of donald trump. according to an exexcerpt, he

said i fell exhilarated that this fellow finally totally discredited himself and donald trump put a gun to his own head and pulled the trigger and couldn't have happened at a better time. they come as cnn obtained more than 2,300 messages mark meadows handed over to the january 6th committee. nbc news las not been able to independently confirm them all. but one exchange between georgia congresswoman marjorie taylor greene and former chief of staff mark meadows days before president biden's inauguration is standing out. greene text meadows, quote, in our private chat with only members, several are saying the only way to save our republic is for trump to call for marshall law. joining me now is capitol hill

correspondent natalie vitale and national correspondent and msnbc contributor betsy woodriffe swann him i'm not surprised by the mitch mcconnell comments. he was staunchly angry in donald trump's behavior in the lead-up to january 6th. he made an impassioned speech as those votes were, you know, pushed back upon by some house and senate republicans. what are you hearing on capitol hill about this book and whether it might change people's minds? >> reporter: indicate i, it kind of depends which chamber are you happening out in. in the house, of course, the mccarthy comments were a bomb last week. they really did set off an entirely different situation in the conference about kevin mccarthy's trajectory as a special speaker if the republicans took the house in december. trump doesn't seem to be very

angry about what was reported in this book the cam you can lus on the senate side, though, is very different. it's perhaps telling we're not hearing from lawmakers on these comments, it's white house there is two reasons, mcconnell's calculus is different than mccarthy's. he has not stuck close to former president trump. in fact, he's made clear repeatedly, he hasn't had conversations with him since 2021. he is also someone who if the reporting were wrong, he and his office were quick to say and correct the record. in this case, they're not commenting on the repeated excerpts we heard from mcconnell in this book. he has been clear about the fact when he looks at things like january 6th and the committee's work on going forward on what happened that day. he basically said i am interested in seeing what they find out. unlike most republicans, where they will regularly whitewash chance on the 6th and call the investigation into it political. so the calculus is different.

the way you see it play out in this book underscores that. it's a reality we experience every day on the hymn as republicans figure out what their party is about in the post-trump administration era. certainly, this book undercourse it. >> we will see what sort of republicans win in the mid-terms. that will also tell us a lot. betsy, let's talk about the january 6th committee. this committee has a lot of texts from meadows. we see them come to light every other week or so they do still want testimony from him. what do they expect to get out of him that they don't already have in the form of a text message? >> reporter: the big gap in the mark meadow's text messages collection reported thus far are any communications he may have had with president trump's legal team, folks like rouge rouge, jenna ellis, sidney powell as well as any communications he may or might not have had with vice president pence and staff

and with people working over at the department of justice. it's likely that meadows would argue any communications that fit in those categories it would be covered by attorney/client privilege. it is likely the select committee would say absolutely not. the committee doesn't know what they don't have because meadows hasn't played ball with them thus far by actually producing all the documents that are responsive to their requests? these texts are obviously extremely newsworethy, eyebrow raising, notable and important. ped dose gave them a lot. but it looks like there is a lot that he is still not giving them. the fact that he hasn't gone in and answered questions in real time on the record with investigators to explain the back stories, context, the way that these texts fit into the day as a whole, it helps make more sense as to why the committee despite these messages is still so frustrated with them and is hoping the justice

department will bring criminal charges. >> can they wait for the justice department to do it? because the public phase of these hearings is about a month a way way. the mid-terms are handful of months away. if democrats lose control, it's likely this committee will be dissolved. so how much time are they giving to wait for meadow's cooperation? forced or unforced? >> reporter: unfortunately, they don't have any more leverage than they've used thus far. they can sue and try to go to court on the civil side that would take much longer than the amount of time they have left. the committee now is trying to make due with what they've got. luckily for them is they've got a massive amount of information from hundreds and hundreds of other people who have cooperated as well as reams and reams of documents that i have to go through with a shovel if they want to get through everything they have. meadows is clearly important. clearly, he knows stuff that other witnesses don't know. but this report will be jam

packed with new information regardless, whether or not he is communicateing. >> there have been a lot of people who cooperated voluntarily that you might not know about. you might not recognize their name that have told the committee what they know. so it's very possible that they have a wealth of information even more than these high profile people might be able to provide, if they were to provide it. nancy woodriffe swann, thank you very much. ali vitale, thank you as well a free preach absolutist. what elon musk's rules mean. like vaccine conspiracy on twitter. and donald trump's remain in mexico policy head to the supreme court. what the justices hinted at during today's arguments.

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for starters. musk describes himself as a free speech absolutist. he is frequently criticized for what he says is overreaching excessive moderation on 26. he announced the purchase, if part, free speech is the bedrock of a funding democracy. digital is a digital town square. twitter has tremendous potential. i look forward to working with the company and the community of users to unlock it. joining me now is business technology correspondent joe jolene rent and mike isaacs. maybe elon musk is watching the news seeing people are talking about story. he just said the extreme anti-body reaction from those who fear free speech says it all. there are questions, joe, about were we aloud and this moving. he calls himself a free speech

absolutist. the platform has taken steps the make sure that speech doesn't cross over into spreading lies and disinformation about that seems when the world and the country are both in a public health crisis, like a pandemic. >> yeah. there are going to be a lot of policies that will likely change. that's the expectation according to wall street analysts i have been talking to, in addition to people. her book fans of elon and his contradiction. if you look closely of what he does want to do. he does want to provide transparency opening up the algorithm and verifying -- >> can you explain what that means open up the am go rhythm to people who are not super into technology? >> reporter: yeah. sure. so the idea, according to statement yesterday that he made is to make the algorithm opened source. you can look at it and see how it works. it's publicly available and so

you can look at it for yourself or bring it to someone to interpret it for you. if you are not a tech programing expert and be able to, you know, wak work off of. that a lot of the accusations has been the content mid-ration works against conservetives. some conservatives believe by making it more transparent, that musk would then be able to show how things have worked and perhaps change it for the better tapped future. but for the left-leaning side of twitter may disagree with that. in fact, many people do. so it's a real question here of what he can do and pull off and you know look you can do a lot by taking the company priechlt he will be subject to far less scrutiny. he won't have to answer to investors for basically himself.

he will be able to work and rebuild a team that helps him deliver on these promises. the question, though, if he wants to make money on twitter and it's not the best most profitable social media company, not the biggest by a long shot, he will have to be answering to that big question if he takes it back public again. there is a lot of questions of what will happen, how much of this agenda that these promises can be delivered. but by taking it private, it gives them a much better shot. >> if he does take it private and say there is a fee to use it, is he confident there will be enough people out there that say, hey, yeah, i want to pay for this service? >> i mean the sort of thing he has been making clear since the gening is this is not about the money, right? he is spending a fraction of his fortune, a big chunk, but he still said, i don't like advertising, necessarily. i want to make it ad-free at least for those paying users, if

enough people use it, to your point, i think like it's still practically a niche service compared to the facebooks of the world which have billions of users. so if it's a matter of getting like tons of subscribers, i don't think it's about that i think it's more idea logical for him. i think he thinks all speech should be going on there no matter what. >> i wonder if this is akin to him wanting to have a space of his own like jeff bezos in theory owning "the washington post." although the post will say it has nothing to do with editorial policies. it will be a much different scenario with musk and twitter. speaking of bezos, he tweeted yesterday this. this was a quote tweet of somebody else. the other person says tesla's second biggest market was in the u.s. it was a major supplier.

after 2009, the government had almost no leverage over the platform. that may have just changed and bezos said interesting question. did the chinese government just gain a bit of leverage over the town square? so the thrust here is that mike, musk might, you know, away says to chosen's demands, because he has be interests if that company. what do you think of that? >> i find out they have been following them and people lately. he has been tweeting his minds way more often than in the past. jack dorsey will be going wild on twitter. these guys are starting to speak their minds more. it's professional in prodding each other. jeff and sorry mr. bes so and

elon musk have had a sperling rivalry with space exploration a long time. i think they like no poke at each other all the time. it's fun for us to watch, i guess. >> i guess, i guess. maybe we should all log off. >> jolene kent, thank you so much. mike asax, thank you as well. and the supreme court hinted today it might rule in favor if part of president biden's agenda. they were in so to ends what is commonly known as the remain in mexico policy. it requires people at the southern board tore wait in mexico wheel their claims are decided. president trump put the program in place in 2019. nearly 70,000 people were shuttled back to mexico while that was active. president biden wants to determine nate it and claims hundreds were kidnapped, raped and assaulted while waiting to get into the united states. joining me now justice correspondent pete williams. were there hints in the oral

arguments and the questions from the justices today? >> yeah, i thought so. this was not the buzz saw that you might have expect for a biden policy before this super conservative supreme court. here's the problem. everybody acknowledges the government simply doesn't have, congress has never given the government enough detention space to detain everybody won't teres the u.s. illegally and claims asylum. so what to do with them? the bidened a pin straegs administration says we can parole some in the u.s., allow to stay while their claims are adjudicated. we want to use our law enforcement discretion and hold the detention space for the people we don't want, wandering around the u.s., run a risk of absconding. texas and missouri that sued the biden administration and persuaded a federal judge in texas to order the government to

keep this program going saying, no, you have to either detain them or send them back to mexico. this paroling into the u.s. thing can only be done on a limited case-by-case basis. and that's what the court was struggling with today. and there were you know some tough questions from both sides, but the government seemed to recognize, the court, rather, the dilemma here and said the law does allow for the benefit of the public for the administration to release people into the u.s. that may be what it all comes down to. does the supreme court think that that is enough of a wiggle room for the admin straition to end this remain in mexico program and go back to what it was doing before. which the government told the supreme court today is what all the past administrations have done. no administration, including the trump administration has ever taken the view that the law demands, requires them to send

these folks back to mexico if they can't be paroled into the u.s. that's what it's all about. i think the fact that the court was willing to toss this around as much as it did, indicates it's at least opened to the idea of legislate biden end this. >> very interesting. coming up, it has already claimed one young life. what doctors to doing to determine the cause of a mysterious hepatitis outbreak among children. election fraud is incredibly rare. so why is governor desantis spending nearly $4 million on an election police force? on an election police force?

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it does not exist in a substantial way that overturns an election. why is ron desantis doing this? >> well, it's actually bart partly because he has to, politically. earlier on, former president trump was talking about hey, there has been election fraud, they have audits if all of these states, florida is not one of those states you feed an audit. he won by three points, if florida it's a landslide, it's a bigger margin than obama won in 28? what does detan tis do? our 2021 election was hiccup free and fraud free. with need to double check and the like. desantis came up with this idea, fine, we don't have to engage in these meaningless election

audits. if you saw if arizona, the election review bipartisan tack force failed to turn up sifkt fraud. it moves a piece of the base little. the reality is, look, i live in miami, in 1977, we had an effective mayoral race here. should we use a few more cops on the block, to not stop what's happening anyway? it happens in small respects and small portions, sure, that's the calculus that desantis made. >> does it establish the ability to be poll workers? some say that istant amendment or can be used to intimidate voeters? >> you can have poll workers. it's how it's defined. the reality is there are these poll watchers who intimidate

people. it's a little lesser told stories. although you see it in the local press of the 2020 election. the republican party had operatives that appeared to go around if miami-dade county and improperly switch people's registrations from republicans to democrat, parten me, democrat to republican. would that have effected the election results? >> no. is it fraud in the election arena? yes. it's fraud to trick someone, swindle someone into agreeing to do something they didn't think they should be doing in the first place so one of the things that i am looking forward to with this election fraud task force, is it going to investigate in miami-dade whether operatives affiliated with the republican party of florida wound up improperly switching or tricking people into switching their registrations from democrat to republican? again, switching registration is not something that's going to affect someone's vote but nevertheless, it's something that happened. the question is why? and who is responsible?

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instead they are going to sacrifice profit for reliability. the national commercial pilot shortage wreaking havoc on passengers. >> i got on a plane, they canceled the flight and i've been on endless lines. >> the american traveler traveling again, but almost every airline is scrambling to fill their cockpits. the lack of pilots leading to delays, flight cancellations and even grounded fees. american recently announced they started using buses to ferry passengers from smaller airports in the northeast to their hub in philadelphia where more pilots are available. there are an estimated 14,500 openings for commercial pilots over the next eight years. the problem? not enough new pilots moving from small regional airlines to the major carriers, and too few pilots exiting the military to

work in the private sector. pilot training can cost more than $100,000. jonathan runs the flight academy. >> it's a combination of different things. pilots retiring, the pandemic. so now just to train the new pilots is going to take long time. >> reporter: some airlines are now training future pilots themselves. american training in the next five years from their own aviation academy. instructor shelly thomas is planning to become a commercial pilot herself. >> as soon as i realized there was a pilot shortage, and a lot of my mentors at united kind of brought it up. >> reporter: jetblue has a similar program. no prior experience required. >> finally i have a direction. >> reporter: some are letting those over 65 back into the

cockpit. rich sieler was a delta pilot for 35 years. >> there is no other industry in the world that it happens like that. >> reporter: who would have expected it? the problem is there is a shortage of pilots to sit in cockpits like this. i'm in a boeing 767. so with that shortage, you still have people who want to travel. in the northeast, american airlines are bussing passengers from the smaller airports like allentown to the hub in philadelphia, which is going to be a big surprise to some passengers who maybe didn't get the notifications from the airlines they'll be getting on a bus. same thing we'll get soon from united airlines, taking passengers from places like breckenridge and fort collins to denver on buses. this is all a reflection that the airlines can't find enough qualified pilots, again, to sit in seats like this cockpit right here. >> it looks like a cool seat.

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