♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ hi there, everyone. happy friday. it's 4:00 in new york. we are anticipating consequential developments in the january 6th select committee investigation that has already ensnared some of donald trump's most vocal public allies in the gop. at this hour we are waiting for those letters from the select committee expected before the end of this week to republican members of congress being asked to testify before the committee. it's a list that is expected to include lawmakers from both the house and the senate. among them, minority leader kevin mccarthy who is getting pummeled from all sides this week over his very own words

captured on tape that reveal his private beliefs about 1/6 and his conclusion that donald trump bears responsibility for the insurrection as well as mccarthy's admission about the seriousness of the 1/6 attack and the complicit of members of his own caucus, all of which he would later lie about, probably downplay and excuse. here's some of the comments that have made headlines this week. again, they were obtained by "new york times" reporters jonathan martin and alex burns from his book "this will not pass" that will provide a preview of the story that the 1/6 committee plans to tell with their evidence. >> let me be very clear to all of you, and i've been very clear to the president. he bears responsibilities for his words and actions. no ifs, ands or buts. >> the only discussion i would have with him is that i think this will pass ask it would be my recommendation he should

resign. >> tension is too high. the country is too crazy. i don't want to look back and think we caused something or we missed something and someone got hurt. i don't want to play politics with any of that. >> i just got something sent now about newsmax and matt gaetz said where he's calling people's names out saying an anti-trump in the type of atmosphere. some some other places, this is serious stuff and it has to stop. >> let's not put any member, i don't care who they are, republican, democrat or any person not even in congress. watch our words closely. i get these reports on a weekly basis. i've seen something i haven't seen before. so i'm asking all of you, i called some of you personally, and i want you to know what i'm hearing. be careful. >> of course, they would not be careful and it's very likely that kevin mccarthy will be asked for everything he said and more when he is summoned once

again by the 1/6 committee in letters that could reveal more details, new details about the scope and progress of their investigation. these letters are expected ahead of the public hearings. they are set to commence about six weeks from now. they're being described as explosive. congressman jamie raskin is saying they will blow the roof off the house and reshape the public's understanding of what the 1/6 committee has uncovered. >> here's bennie thompson last night that describes the troves of evidence that are soon to become public. >> well, we'll tell the story about what happened. we will use a combination of witnesses, exhibits, things that we have through the tens of thousands of exhibits we've interviewed and looked at, as well as the hundreds of

witnesses we've deposed or just talked to in general. so it will give the public the benefit of what more than a year's worth of investigation has gone to the committee. >> and it's where we begin today with some of our favorite reporters and friends. new york times congressional reporter luke broadwater joins us and harry lipman and former deputy assistant attorney general and former republican congressman david jolly, now national chairman of the serve america movement and an msnbc contributor joins us. >> if it's friday we have new text messages and these are reported from cnn and they're from a category of witness, luke, who has some others in the category and we know what he was saying privately before he started cooperating and so far he has not taken the committee up on the invitation and i'm

talking about sean hannity and i want to read some of these texts. sean hannity to mark meadows. is north carolina going to be okay? mark meadows to sean hannity. every vote matters. get out the vote. sean hannity says yes, sir. sean hannity to mark meadows. i'm on it. is there any place if particular we need to push? mark meadows writes to sean hannity, pennsylvania, north carolina, arizona. hannity says yep. mark meadows writes again, nevada. hannity says got it. everywhere. tell me the significance of some of these holdouts and knowing at least some of what their private conversations were, luke? >> i think with sean hannity, the thing you're seeing is one, he's serving as sort of an adviser to the trump campaign.

he's given them advice not only on what states to be active in and apparently cut ofs his own ad or suggests his own ad for the trump campaign they don't use, but what i think is most significant is he's saying different things privately than when he's saying personally. and the text that really stuck out to me from sean hannity was where he advises against the pressure campaign against mike pence, and he says that the entire white house counsel's office will resign if trump continues down this path, that he warns against it and meanwhile, he is -- as best i recall, encouraging on air the challenges to the election from people like josh hawley and ted cruz, and so there's a disconnect there. he privately acknowledges this to be dangerous for pence and

will have grave consequences for trump's presidency and he seems to be encouraging it at the time. >> hypocrisy. double speak. haven't seen much of that in the last five years. >> let me stay on the hannity text. i always find this particularly precious when the people who think that we are the bedwetters call themselves and their peers "f-ing" lunatics. sean hannity to mark meadows. you fighting is fine, the f-ing lunatics are not helping him. they're not helping. i'm not fine with these people. >> who do you think the f-ing lunatics are in sean hannity's mind? >> whether it's f-ing lunatic or the culpable, this is going on at the same time, nicole, that fox news as we know through lawsuits is perpetuating this lie about the technology and platform providers of the very election. right?

as sean hannity and mark meadows are saying, okay, in which states are we trying to create stories around election integrity, they're also promoting stories that the platform providers somehow were tampered with or were unable to provide and results with the level of integrity. conspiracy is too broad of a term in the legal sense. i would give it to the lawyers to recognize that. fox news, as we learned, through the text messages is part and parcel in the effort to overturn the election and have donald trump remain in the white house after january 20th. >> but harry, sean hannity being sean hannity, i believe he celebrated an anniversary last week being the longest-running host on both his radio show and cable and it's because of the text i'm about to read. this is his plan a, plan b and plan c. listen to this. sean hannity writes mark meadows. quote, i've been at war with them all week. from what i can tell it's fok news, his bosses.

we'll talk when i see you. i'm at the party with my kids next sunday night at 7:00. also, if this doesn't end the way we want, you me and j are doing three things together. one, we're directing legal strategies against biden. two, north carolina, real estate, unless nc means something else, three, other businesses. i talk told rudy. thanks for helping him. this is an incredible window into the contingency plans and even sean hannity had with mark meadows if overturning the election didn't go their way. >> that's jay sekulow, their lawyer. hannity is fond of saying i'm not a journalist, although he'll try to get journalist protection if ever challenged. i don't think we've ever seen the press and the government so tightly in bed together. this isn't -- look, we talk

about, you know, in putin's rush how the prestos the party line. he's creating it. yes, sir and taking orders from mark meadows. i think david's right. there's no glaring crime here, but as a matter of, you know, the absolute worst, the antithesis that the constitution is supposed to provide for an independent press, this is a, covert and literally trying to run policy and three, in the service of of a big lie. it's conscience shocking, i'll put it that way. >> and the person whoi thought would have a legal issue explaining these actually wasn't hannity, harry. it was mark meadows and this may be the lexicon to see them, but what's my order, sir? do the states -- sir, yes, sir, and he gives them the three states that just happened to overlap with two of the states where fake electors were

produced. if mark meadows comes under scrutiny with anyone looking at mark meadows? >> 00%. he should be -- he's the fwa who they will bring forward. right now, i think they're let, the meadows' content play out in a book that's a motion to dismiss, but i don't think there's time to have him go through the courts top there talking about, but if i were the house i would consider a new spaefrn spaina, and not go into the legal objections that are giving heartburn to the doj. he, scavino and mccarthy, the three witnesses who are

basically irreplaceable. they have 800 other people and they'll fill in the gaps everywhere else, but man, meadows really needs legally and as a matter of just public service to be telling the story of what happened here and as of now it looks like he's going to skate through. >> you know, luke, the story telling that meadows has allowed the committee to do is some its most compelling and it helped shape some of the requests for witnesses and some of them have complied for subpoenas and i want to describe the public hearings which is the term we will make in june in terms of their work as harrowing. let ate watch that. >> i said the findings of the committee would blow the roof off the housewatch that. >> i said the findings of the committee would blow the roof 'watch that. >> i said the findings of the committee would blow the roof swatch that.

>> i said the findings of the committee would blow the roof watch that. >> i said the findings of the committee would blow the roof off the house because we now have the evidence to support the story of the worst presidential crime against the union in american history. nothing no other president ever did comes close to what happened on that day, and it will be harrowing for the american people to watch this story unfold as we almost lost it all on the afternoon and evening of january the 6th, 2021. >> luke, even more than the committee's chairman and vice chairwoman, congressman he chooses his words very carefully and you know that better than me from covering him and he describes it as a crime, and he says it is the worst presidential political crime against the union in american history. what is your sense of how much of the evidence will point directly to that? the crime that the president

engaged in? >> yeah. so i checked this morning and they're up to i think more than 935 interviews, both voluntary and depositions and they have now more than 104,000 documents to go through, as they start beginning to prepare for these public hearings and we expect them to be over the course of at least two weeks in june and so they've got to lay out this story of what took place during the time weeks and the final months of the trump presidency and they'll try to tell it in chapters and they'll decide how to lay that out and there will be a chapter on the domestic violent extremists and there will likely be a chapter on state officials to overturn the election and the plot seems alternate electors and replace him with a trump yes man perhaps

on the seizing of voting machines and there are so many different ways and at the center of these plots is trump himself and jamie raskin has said there will be evidence of coordination throughout the different actors and the different plots including to the domestic violence extremists and the mob rioters and it will be interesting to see how they connect those dots for the public and what evidence they put forth to make those concrete connections. as i said from the beginning, a lot of this was planned in public and they were done through speeches and tweets and they will have additional things like the text messages we're seeing that tie trump and meadows to different people, but i also suspect we'll see a lot of revisiting of things that played out in public that we all saw and most were shocked by at the time, but happened anyway.

>> it's such a good point that what they've been working toward is connecting the dots because what congressman raskin has said for months now is that the three rings, we've known all about them and so much of the work has been the connected issue to overturn the result and it involves rosen being replace with mr. clark and the ring of the extremists that were plotting and planning some them on podcasts and the tweets. and the rioters so far the only to face trials for their conduct on that day. i want to ask you, david jolly, about the -- i think we're sort of done of asking the question what political price will be paid, judge luttig is trying to move the conversation to what law might change and might that be more fertile dwrund?

can a judge luttig who is not just respected, but revered among mitch mcconnell? >> can his name be put in 2023 and put what he has penned which is the reform of the counting so you ain't think he can do anything and garner support legislatively. >> my ni breaking through the political roadblock and they hold eye constituency, or if he lacks validity and he's a powerful witch hunt. it's to set a powerful narrative. recall, we first heard from police officers who were beaten

any bludgeoned and we understood in the moment. first bring in nancy pelosi, steny hoyer, james clyburn, those who had access to information about the real security threat that day, and then provide the nation with evidence that jamie rankin has suggested exists about the complicit, whether it's financial ties or planning or whatever it might be, and then subpoena kevin mccarthy and ask him to testify, and if he does want, hold him in contempt by the house and make the referral to the department of justice. create the compelling moment where the american people say, you know what? there are political actors hiding something and we can never let this happen again and that is why a legislative fix is also required. >> it is an opportunity to divide the republicans again among lines that in private they may have been divided for a while on those tapes and as i said at the top of the show, these new text messages that cnn has published today which nbc

has not independently verified are consistent with everything we've seen that privately, all source of people, and notably the president's own son donald trump expressed clear horror at the turn the insurrection took as law enforcement officials engaged in what they describe as hand to hand, medieval combat. i wonder if you can bring it back to where they started with the testimony of what these a-political law enforcement officials endured at the hands of trump supporters. >> a couple of points. first, here's where we are with the republican party. mccarthy actually recognizes and he says how stunning is this? he's worried that his members will bring violence on others and he recognizes all of the dangers of trump, he lies about it and he's getting a standing ovation from the caucus yesterday for his stance of i'm not going to see no evil, hear

no evil and win in november and that's all i care about. >> in terms of the hearing, you are right, david is right and there are discussions going on within now. raskin, a fabulous sebant is steined to oversell, not over sell. so the blowing the roof off and all of that, i think my understanding is they want to go first for assurance over drama. i agree with david's point, there could be a time kind of like john bolton of ringing the gong and saying mccarthy come down here now, but you will see methodical testimony that avoids the conflicts that could wind up not producing drama, but in order to get the facts out there. people like hutchinson instead of meadows and the like. that's what i think they're putting together. >> luke, harry lipman, david

jolly, thank you all so much for starting us off on the story. it's been an unbelievable week the revelations. it's good to see you will of you. >> another red state to official fishlly rule on oklahoma state and it's one of the most extortion plan and ho activists and other nearby providers in the stays states are preparing for that. >> plus poland has taken in millions of ukrainians since the start of the war. more than any other country combined. the mayor of warsaw will be here on set on the humanitarian efforts here to help all of them. a report on how they almost capture -- all of that and more

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republican state legislators can't wait for the supreme court to rule on and likely overturn roe versus wade. instead they're jumping all over themselves to restrict a woman's right to choose ahead of that. in oklahoma the legislature has banned nearly all abortions and not content to wait until the law goes into effect. they've introduced not one, but two texas-style abortion bans. it would ban all abortions after six weeks and the other which would ban all elective abortions

entirely outright. they go into effect immediately once they're signed into law. in ohio, legislators are considering a near-total abortion ban with no exceptions for rape or incest. one lawmaker calling carrying a rapist's baby an opportunity even for a 13-year-old child. watch that. >> this bill, if it becomes law, has no rape exception. so under this bill if a 13-year-old girl, let's say, who is raped this bill would require this 13-year-old to carry this felon's fetus to term. >> it is a shame that it happens, but there is an opportunity for that woman no matter how young or old she is to make a determination about what she's going to do to help that life be a productive human being. >> did not think i'd live to see this come to pass here in

america. joining us now fatima gossgraves. melissa murray, new york university law professor on the focus on reproductive rights and she clerked for justice sonia sotomayor. i didn't think i'd see this prevail, i guess i should have said to be more accurate. anyone that works in women's health or maternal health and sort of mortality knows that some of the highest mortality risks are for young victims of rape in this age range of 11 to 14 and they're at an extremely high risk of death from the pregnancies. a lot of them don't even know they're pregnant until very late. talk about the real world impact of these really extreme measures, fatima? >> they are creating a public health crisis on purpose and it is shocking to watch. it used to be the sort of thing that was only in daring whispers

and they're saying that quiet part out loud and it's blatant shouts in the halls that are designed usually to protect people and young people will be worse off who have low incomes, people who can't travel and all of us. it won't just be limited to a handful of states. >> so, melissa. >> a rape victim is a victim of a crime, full stop. someone who wants to have an abortion now banned in these states can't do it. it seems like re-victimizing her again. why isn't the law designed to protect her from that second victimization? >> i think that is the question, nicole. it feels as though we are careening toward gilead, a state in which women have no choice over their reproductive

capacities even in situations where not having that choice exposes them through more trauma than what they already experienced. we saw the democratic legislator making that case and we saw the republican female legislator saying that this was merely an opportunity for a woman to work through her trauma by raising her rapist's child. let that sit with you for a little bit. it truly is the quiet part out loud. frankly, i'm surprised that we don't see protests every day in front of the supreme court at this point because these states are moving aggressively because they expect that the 6 to 3 conservative super majority is said to ratify what they are doing this june. and so we are moving toward that, and time is running out and i'm not even sure that there could be a compromise on roe at this point even if the court upholds roe, but upholds this mississippi ban that is currently being challenged. we will have eriz rated abortion

access throughout most of this country and we are merely forestalling the inevitable and what are we going to do about women's rights in this country. justice sotomayor described it as a stench and the stench was tied directly who donald trump tied to the court. they seem to have gone firther. i mean, to your -- to your sort of question, who answers it? what does happen next? >> the only response is for individuals to register their objections at the ballot box. this conservative super majority has effectively made it difficult for ordinary americans to do that by destroying the voting rights act in allowing states' broad latitude to pass laws to effectively suppress the vote by denying partisan

gerrymandering. we have few ways to stop laws like this from being passed at state legislatures and when they are blessed and credited at the supreme court we have few ways to register our objections. again, this is the judicial activism that they profess to hate and now it is working in their favor. >> i want to read some of the reporting in "the new york times" today that should bring home the universality of these measures. they could sweep up every woman at one point or another. these laws are making miscarriage more traumatic in america. the texas law and laws like it said if the situation were anybody who experiences a pregnancy loss that they can't explain to the satisfaction of law enforcement becomes suspicious. senior counsel, legal director says quote, this is a lawyerly point and the idea if it is a crime to have done something to end that pregnancy you'd have to put a person through a trial to

determine if the loss was innocent. the women of miscarriages and are gutted and devastated and the idea that you would layer this trauma and suspicion on top of it is appalling. how is the story and the crisis broadened, fatima to bring every woman and every person into the conversation? >> i think we have to keep telling these stories. part of the challenge is the vast majority of people in this country don't believe that roe will be overturned. they don't believe it despite abortion effectively being banned in texas, idaho and oklahoma and so that disconnect of not really believing it, and believing deeply in a court that is disappointed again and again is part of the challenge, but you are so very right that it is not just going to end with policing women's bodies around abortion.

it will be around miscarriage and it will be around how you carry a pregnancy. it will be around contraception. it will be around your ability to have relationships with who you want your ability to have sexual relationships. there is no end to the bottom here and folks have to get ready for it. >> melissa, it's always interesting to me to watch, and i sort of watch the space of maternal outcomes of the world over, and i don't know that most american women realize that we're -- we are not the top of the pack. there are places that have surpassed us over the last 20 years and it's been maybe a generation on the reproductive health front in the united states of america. how has the law been -- i don't know if it's the right word, but manipulated to make that the case for all women in the

country? >> i think part of this is a court that has been willing to do what they can to make this easier, and again, a court that has acted in ways that advanced a project of dismantling women's rights through politics because women would register their objections. they could, but they're exactly right. we rank below so many democracies, paid family leave, health care, prenatal care. in some of these states that are going through such aggressive lengths to curb abortion we have some of the most dismal mortality rates and infant mortality rates that rates with the knowledge of sexual education among students. it is absolutely appalling and instead, they argue that they're passing these abortion restrictions for the purpose of securing women's health and that is absolutely false. if you wanted to secure women's health there are other ways to

do it without abusing women's bodies in this way. >> it's a surreal, surreal moments. fatima goss-graves and fatima murray, thank you very much for being part of our coverage. >> our friend and regular on this program, dr. erwin redletter travelled to poland to meet the refugees who are living there now. he met with warsaw's mayor and we invited both of them at the table and that is next. stay with us. and, in clinical trials, feelings of inner restlessness

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decades later literally right next door to poland we are witnessing the horrors of unjust brutality against innocent people who want to live peacefully. >> this, for poland, is 1939 again. the poles are looking to the rest of the world for help and to understand that this is not just a polish problem. this is an international problem and it's important for the americans and others to join. >> thanks to our friends at "morning joe" for that record. that was the ambassador to poland mark brzezinski on the echoes of history repeating themselves in europe. the worsening russian atrocities in ukraine and the global effort that is required to meet this humanitarian moment and crisis as poland now anticipates a

second wave of refugees as a result. yesterday while marching in poland with thousands of people and survivors for an annual observance at the former site of auschwitz, poland's president denounced russia's invasion and brutality saying, quote, we are here to show that every nation has a sacred right to life. a sacred right to cultivate its traditions, a sacred right to develop. poland has already welcomed 3 million ukrainian refugees and poland has provided many of them with free education, with healthcare, roofs over their heads and places to live. its people have welcomed them with open arms for the most part into their homes. 300,000 of them are in warsaw where the population has risen 15%. the mayor warns that the city is at capacity and needs funding as it braces for and wants to help more displaced ukrainians seeking refuge. we are joined now by the mayor of warsaw, poland and dr. irwin

redletter and founding director of the national center for disaster preparedness at columbia university. he's just back from poland where he met you and met with ukrainian refugees and you texted me and called me and i said bring them with you and i know this has more to do than coming to talk to us. i want to know what it's like right now for you, for your city, the residents of warsaw and for the ukrainians who now call it home. >> well, the solidarity of the polish people is just incredible. we've welcomed 300,000 people in our homes, and people who visit warsaw are amazed because there are no big refugee camps, no pitched camps in the parks or in the streets. our ukrainian brothers and sisters are with us. >> how much pain and trauma are the kids dealing with? >> it's incredible because the more kids come, i mean, of course, the more traumatized

they are because they come from the east and they escaped bombs and sometimes they lost family members. they've seen atrocities unimaginable for us and of course, they need counseling. they need help. that's what they are doing. sometimes we're bringing actors just to bring a smile on their faces. we distribute candy and sometimes we can get that, that smile, but of course, it's just for a while. so this is a challenge for us all because they are traumatized and to tell you the truth, we are also traumatized when we see that. >> what do you need? >> we need assistance. we need help. the most important thing is the whole world needs to step up. we are doing a lot and it's the ukrainians who are fighting. they are fighting frr our freedom, as well for the stability of transatlantic alliance and all of the dictators and the world and all of the thugs and bullies are watching and they see the united response of the west and we keep on doing that and we need to share that responsibility

because that response needs to be as it is unequivocal, but of course, we also need assistance because we cannot do it alone and we need a relocation scheme in europe. we need money and not only to go to the central government, and to the refugees themselves and to us because we are on the front line. >> do you ever let yourself contemplate the worldwidening to your city? >> i also say president zelenskyy doesn't panic we are not going to panic either and in the words of the president of the united states joe biden were so important that every inch of nato territory will be defended, and i was in washington. i've talked to the members of joe biden's administration samantha power and the secretary who is going to be one of the responsible guys for the infrastructure projects and for the construction of ukraine. i've talked to nancy pelosi and i've talked to both of the republicans in the house and the democrats in the house and all of them tell me that the

security guarantees are iron clad, and if you go to the east of poland you see the 2nd airborne and you see the american soldiers everywhere and you see the patriots and this is important. >> yeah. >> because we are sending a signal that we are together, that we are united and we are strong and putin only understands strength. so this is really important. >> it's one of the things and not only the pandemic uniting right and left and support for ukraine and people helping ukraine that has in recent history. you are so knowledgeable about crisis and disaster and especially children and you are so moved by your trip. tell my about it. >> yeah. so karen and i went to poland basically because we were really interested to see how the refugee, especially children were being greeted and cared for and nurtured in this new country that they went to incredibly suddenly. this is not only the largest, but the fastest --

>> fastest, yeah. >> refugee movement since world war ii as you well know, nicole. so we went to see and we were very, very moved. i'll tell you, the five hours that we spent in warsaw high school number one was among the more impactful experiences i've had in my life. we were looking and talking to these children sometimes through an interpreter and sometimes directly, but in terms of trauma, the principal of the school, the headmaster started crying telling me about some of the things that he's seen with the kid that have come there. one of them i'll tell you about and i don't like talking about it. >> please. >> it was a child, almost catatonic, a 15-year-old girl. bombings started near her home and her mother woke up the kids and the father was a fighter. woke up the kids, threw them in the car with the few things she could grab and a small caravan of her neighbors and friends

left the area. the car directly in front of her was hit by a missile and destroyed with children who were friends with her kids. you know, that girl is going to need a lot of support. on the other hand, a lot of the children that are there -- these kids are incredibly resilient also and with the support they're getting from the mayor and his agencies and the ngos there, i'm actually hopeful that they're going to get through this. a lot of the kids want to go back to ukraine. >> yeah. >> don't -- their mothers want to go back to ukraine. they're saying we can't go back. we want to learn polish and stay in warsaw. >> i think a lot of people want to help and they don't know how to. i mean, what can people do? ordinary people. >> most importantly, help the non-governmental organizations that are on the ground that are fighting with -- with poverty. they are helping refugees. they are fighting with child trafficking. they are doing counseling for those kids.

i have a 17-year-old daughter in warsaw schools and a 13-year-old son, and you know, in their class there are five ukrainians in my daughter's class and six ukrainians in my son's class and sometimes they seem normal, smiling and talking and suddenly they break down into tears and this is very difficult to deal with that, and i have to tell you that after two years of covid, and after a vicious attack of the populist government on the lgbt community we have a lot of traumatized kids in our schools, polish kids and most of my counselors now work with refugees. we need help and we cannot do it indefinitely and the solidarity of the polish people is incredible, but if we want to keep it up we need assistance because the city services have to function normally. i can't have all of my people work with refugees all of the time. we have to do everything we can to help regardless of the numbers, but my job as the mayor

of the city is to make sure we take care of refugees, but also that the city operates normally so we can help as much as is needed. >> i want to know how much your population grew. >> by 15%. imagine as if a million and a half suddenly entered -- >> in a month, yes. it's just amazing. >> at the train stations and come off the train. >> of course, it is heartening because i see my neighbors and they have two kids and suddenly they have four and they go to the playground and they start communicating this pigeon russian-ukrainian because polish is close to ukrainian, but still, if you do not speak it you do not understand most of it and it's incredibly heartening and it builds a better relationship in between our nations, but the thing is that this is long term. this is not just for a week or two. many of those people will stay, and do you know, we in warsaw know what it means because

warsaw was destined to be destroyed by hitler. so we know what it means when a dictator wants to be razed to the ground. when we think of kharkiv, it is 90% destroyed and that's why we are helping and that's why we are also sending this message of hope that as warsaw rose like a phoenix from ashes, mariupol and kharkiv will, as well, provided that the whole world helps and now everyone is looking at ukraine, but what i'm afraid of in a month or two, people will move on and we need to keep on helping and we need to step up because this responsibility needs to be shared. >> forever. i want to press you on how we do that. we need to sneak in a quick break. we'll see you on the other side. don't go anywhere. e you on the . don't go anywhere.

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>> this is persistence. this is not going to go away any time soon. maybe the beginning of the russian encouragement to ukraine. a lot more to come, in terms of what people could do, we between the a shelter where children, there was a suggestion box, and there was a piece of paper for children to write what they would really like. sneakers, t-shirt, soccer ball. and there is opportunities for the smaller participation they raised $120,000 and everything in between including interactions that the mayor and others with big tech companies.

as long as we keep up our interest and concern about what is happening. >> when you head back, stay in touch. we have the benefit of technology, let us know thousand is going and what it is that you need and how we can help. >> absolutely and let me use this occasion to say thank you to everyone, to people on the sweet -- street, everyone that wants to help. >> right? >> up next for us, new reporting about russia's early attempts for president zelenskyy. don't go anywhere. t ows! sometimes, i'm all business. a serious chair for a serious business woman!

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i don't think a lot of people know whether or not president zelenskyy is left, right, or center. he is pro-democracy so we're for him. ukrainian president zelenskyy has won hearts of western leaders as he fights to defend shared values. he decided to stay in kyiv when the war began, by doing so he projected a strong message to his own people as well as the rest of the world that nothing

would scare him away. and after reports in time magazine, a look was given into what life was like for him. our friend, simon schuster reports out about a day when he and his wife went to tell their children that the bombing had started and to prepare them to flee their home. their daughter is 17, their son is 9, both old enough to understand they what is going on. president goes on to say that russians made two attempts to storm his come point, both with his wife and children still

there. you they have settled into the realities of war. one even said what can we do about potential strikes. we have to keep working. but it's not just the russian offensive. zelenskyy senses the world's attention and flagging troubling his more than most bombs, his list of tasks has less to do with the war itself. it is a matter of it's own survival. president joe biden showing that he understands this and he is seeking $33 billion in aide for ukraine and europe showing it does as well. meanwhile the fighting continues and russians continue their heavy bombardment in the region of ukraine. the u.s. assesses the russians

to be behind schedule in their campaign to take the east of ukraine. ukraine is winning, again. but tragically a former u.s. marine was killed. it would be the war's first known death of an american in combat. marines have not yet confirmed this reporting. ukrainian forces were struck when a makeshift mill stair hospital in that massive steel plant was hit by russian bombs yesterday. the offense says they have a plan to evacuate civilians from the blockaded plant. joining us now is a former advisor to president zelenskyy. reading about president zelenskyy's earlier days of the war, i thought of some of your life accounts.

and the shocking reality of explaining to your kids what is going on and where they had to do. and i wonder if you share the experience. i know it is the difference for the leader of any country, but just this normalization of living in a country at war. >> hi, nicole. i read this piece just recently. he is probably the best person that can describe what was going on. i think what we went through and what president zelenskyy went through is in many ways similar. we know that my family and my were in danger because i was a former presidential advisor liberal and for democracy. and the president says he

remembers, and i spoke with the inner circle and there was more than two attempts. i think he is still not out of danger but luckily his family is. it is a very surreal experience. he knew the night before, i knew the night birdie, but it is one of those things you can't do anything about it. russia possessions weapons to tie and take him out, but does that mean he runs or that his life stops, no. you just keep it going and that makes us human. that's why we are on the top of the food chain, we adapted. >> for better and for worse, right? we have reports, my colleague, cal perry is in kyiv and right outside of kyis is some of the

world's most heinous war crimes took place. but i heard you say something that president zelenskyy say social security the real fear is that the world will look away. >> there is three fears. one is the ukraine fatigue. you know this war has been going on for two months, there are no sign that's it will end tomorrow. there is only so much you can take before you want it to look elsewhere. i'm also worried about what comes after the war. look, our lives have been greatly disrupted and my trips eastward from been more

difficult because they are facing a fuel crisis. >> as if on cue, when he says logistics, we have a infrastructure challenge with his wifi. do we have cal perry in kyiv yet? we don't, we'll work on our end to reset igor's wif eerks and his connection to us to continue with our life interview with former advisor to president zelenskyy. stay with us and we'll have that back in a minute.

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we are back, igor are you there? >> yes, and we have survived two months of war with not a single technical glitch. >> yeah, here we are.

>> you were talking about the three things that scare you and i think we were heading towards something we talked about birdie. the economy and the rebuilding, pick whereupon you are. >> the economy is the most boring. there will be a major celebration. what comes next? the world might say we sayed you, and it's your job to rebuild, but it is closing in on a trillion dollars and ukraine can't afford to do that. lots of people lost their jobs, their businesses, near property. there is a major fuel crisis now.

and there is no easy solution for that. i iy we should be planning for that as well. plus i'm really worried about putin, who is trying to bluff his way out of the situation. he will be trying to scare everyone off. so he basically wuped his feet on the united nations and we will have to deal with that as well. the world needs brand new security architecture. so i think they have their work cut out for them. >> it is interesting in the last five days since we talked to you winning the war is now not in question. that as long as the west

continues, you feel confident that ukraine will win if is consistent with what our own pent gone has said, but tell me what is going on on the battlefield? >> but that, i think, is a temporary thing that we're witnessing here. i mean, kyiv is assessing that it will happen, but you know, the -- but there are amazing stories, i have spoken to a few friends of mine on the front lines and i'm like look, guys, is anything interesting happying and they're telling me that putin's propaganda is starting to backfire.

russian soldiers were not fighting ukrainians, but nato. and one of the tactics is in the middle of the night to use american action movie catch phrases to freak out -- imagine you're a russian soldier, and you hear = i'll be back," or "say hello to my little friend." they think there are americans there and they think there are more people there than there are. so it is the war of creativity. if you noticed in that interview president zelenskyy said something interesting that i was

not at liberty to talk about before, but especially in the early days of this war they were getting information from social media way quicker than it got to them through their official channels. through their army generals. so the world is changing at a great pace and we have to accept the fact that the predictability of the old systems and bureaucracies are gone now and obs sew late. and that will determine the future of for our kids and future generations. >> i think that is the hinge that people will be studying when they look at his interviews and yours as choice that has been telling the story. i think the other thing, that i

would just offer to you is that it is impossible to look away and people everywhere you go want to know what they can do. i just had the mayor of warsaw on and i looked at my phone and it was few of my viewers saying how can i help, where did he say to send money. nothing meets what you're enduring, your family and your young daughters are enduring, but you certainly have our attention and we always want to hear from you, so thank you so much for making time for us today. >> thank you so much, and i'm sorry about the technical bit. as the bombs were falling you never dropped out, so who knew what happened today. >> thank you so much, my friend, please stay safe. >> joining us is cal perry. this fantastic new reporting, i think you were already there at the end of february.

adding to the understanding that there was far more than two attempts of president zelenskyy's life? >> yeah, i think is the sort of thing that we knew is happening that we're hearing about. i'm always amazed with these videos and we talked about this time and time again. the proof of life videos meant to rally the country and thinking back about all of the meetings he had including with the secretary general yesterday when the rockets came flying into kyiv. trying to lure him outside of the city center for anything, including an interview, is impossible. he doesn't want to leave the city center. he is afraid not only that he

killed but also cut off. and i think that is really important and i don't think we talk about that, either, he strategically remained here. he was pushed to leave by the american governments and france. he and the capital remains in ukraine hands. >> it will be impossible now to look back on the impact on his country, but when all of your great reporting first came through, there was a connection to him that didn't necessarily exist for all ukraiians when it first started. >> and he has grown into this role and he looks the part. he has that scruffy now look of someone who has been through war. and it is reflective of how the

country looks. he is here today, but this war is just getting worse and it is widespread. today, two people were killed, seven were wounded. a school was shelled, there was a rocket attack here, they kaled the 20th journalist from killed in the area. i think they would say let's slow it down and be more methodical. when the western leaders come to down, they said to air mclayoff

-- aaron mclaughlin said they are weary. things could change on a dime in overhanging all of this as zelenskyy and their government said, a crazy man in moscow that will do anything including chemical and nuclear weapons. that is what over hangs the backdrop. so we just have not seen that in a generation, i think, probably. >> cal, what have you, in terms of covering the fighting which as you said there are attacks all other the country. no part of the country is safe. i wish i had had a snap up, it really did span the center and the north and the east. but in terms of where the front lines are, is all of that in the east? and what do you understand about how that fighting is going? >> in the east, and it is in and

around mariapol. we had video released today of russian soldiers going block to block and it is shifting. this is in that bunker complex. in the east it is static. you have a war of attrition now. shelling taking place by russian forces, and you have ukrainians that fire 40 kilometers. so today a russian soldier was in a machine gun position alive. so yesterday is the first day that we saw a and that includes

13 officers. it's not clear what they gave to get that swap done, but it's a longs way to answer that question. they are just behind that live shot location. >> cal, i say this i've time. >> coming up, stacey abrams who has long within on the front lines is now in a close fight to become the next governor of georgia. . they have allowed moscow to rake in billions even with sanctions in place and the frightening prospect for the future.

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voting and elections are run. mainly as a direct result of the big lie by the twice impeached georgia. all in all at least 19 states have passed votes laws all fuelled by the big lie. six months to go. aprograms 2018 opponent and former senator david purdue continue to duke it out in a race where the shadow of the expresident and his lyes loom large. joining us now is staesy aprograms. so nice to see you thank you for

being our guest. >> tell me about the state of the race, how do you see it? >> we're getting to the end of the primary but i have not had a primary opponent on my side of the aisle. what we are doing is focusing on the further reaching campaign that georgia has ever seen. >> so reporting in your state, reporting in the new york times, they tried to put in numbers how many voter wills have a harder time voting in the first election after the voting restriction law. i ask every one of the question, was there any fraud in georgia in 2020 and they always tell me know. have you assessed and calibrated

how you campaign in the wake of that law? >> our responsibility is to acknowledge the changes in response to democrats wins the presidency and winning the u.s. senate. there was no fraud, there was no lack of integrity in the process and they had voters of color, disabled voters, rural voters and their response was new barriers in place. they have seen it voters were able they uploaded and returned it and that is what they're lucky enough. it says you can't question the

ballot in fewer than 11 days and if you know what that are, congratulations to you. we will see hot summer weather in the state of energy and it will be legally. and this was intentional, it was designed to undermine our elections because they didn't undermine our elections. so we are building a campaign that will map how vile the applications of this law are and make sure the fundamental attempt is to convince you that it is not worth trying. >> and all of that speaks to the

hearder -- >> i'm less learned about the election, it dependents on what the election is. if the laws, as they stand, are administered by the current candidates that espouse the big lie, we could risk georgia being the big lie. and that should terrify everyone. and the intentional distraction that has been the last two years. >> what are you hearing from voters as you campaign around the state?

>> they're concerned about medicaid expansion. it will happen a few times, and it could help half a million people with access to health care, but also bring $3.5 billion in taxpayer money and create 64,000 jobs. people are concerned about housing prices and they're deeply concerned about children. yesterday the governor signed bill that's are designed to lie to our children. my parents raised know believe that a lie of omission is a lie, none the less. and what is most cruel, and that it is an arms length cruelty. he is doing everything he can to make our most fragile and

vulnerable children feel even more lost. so my deep concern and the concern of so so many is they want a governor that believes in them. >> how, you're close to president joe biden and vice president kamala harris, they won the state of georgia. one of the piece that's are most popular there, what sorts of things, where is his message most resonant around infrastructure and what issued are resonating the most. >> we have been beating our heads against the wall, demanding our prm leadership to do something about broadband. 40% of georgians don't have access to reliable broadband or they can't afford it. because of the infrastructure

bill, president biden, and millions of dollars going to the state of georgia to make advances of bronzeband. we need resources and because we have two senators, we know we have a partner working with our president to bring resources to the state of georgia. we know the conversations around voting rights, even though it did not yield the legislative changes we wanted, it lifted up an issue that for too long has been silenced. and we know that president biden is popular not by number but by intention bhap he does for georgia. the moneys being poured in are bes used. brian kemp loves it, he is spending money that came from joe biden. he is claiming credit for it, but and because of joe biden and

what he champions as our president. >> thank you so much for spending time with us today. we're grateful. >> thank you so much. >> we now talk about the democratic party moving to the left as the republicans move to the extreme right. the extreme right.

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shots about nato nazis. do they believe our allies in nato trying to defend ukraine are nazis? she said the aid that the taxpayers are sending to defend themselves against vladimir putin. where is their evidence? >> that was a call out of dock woman majorie tailor green. 30% of house republicans voted against a bill supporting nato this month.

this underscores the republican party's remarkable drift away from nato in recent years as what was once considered fringe has become a main part of the party. glad you're here because i think that we share this frustration that -- and we analyze the parties on this two dimensional and flat right. and where republicans have gone is down. they have descended into things that are not true, things that are not moral, things that are not ideological at all. >> i was really happy to talk about this. elon saying i voted for obama, but the democratic party is left so i can no longer support it and i thought about this for a

long time it gets repeated over and over and over again and it is extremely dangerous. what a bunch of voters out there hear, it doesn't matter, what happened is you think about it this way if you think about the center of the country, call it the suburbs, let's grant that the democrats might have moved to kansas city. not that far away, the republicans left the united states and have moved to hungary or to russia. that's the problem. if you disagree with them on certain issues and certain stances they take, they still believe in the democratic traditions. it could be equal justice for all. we should have elections, universal sufficient reasonable,

they still believe in those things. so the idea that we have this debate about one was left and one was right, the other moved a few miles away. two is what country is and the political equalibrium is not there. all of those things are a big viewpoint of the majority country. the last thing that i will say yet is here is a braet way to think about it. joe biden, barack obama's vice president, is very close where

barack obama was. think about the distance between donald trump and mitt romney. there has been very little movement in that space between barack obama, think about how far it has gone between the 2012 republican nominee and donald trump and where the party is today. >> so you're a philosopher, and a thinger, and i'm just a note jotter, while you were talking this is what i did. the right is now trump and the elected officials, and then there is biden. but the new center is dick cheney, george bush, john mccain if he was alive, what moved off of the map, as ewe saying out of the country is the right, not the left. and i think this idea that the

opposite is true is something that the republicans had perfected and it is the politics of rejection. and they're very well served. and he is a president of the country. and it is more popular and they are painting the politics of measures -- taylor-green. he punished one person and it was liz cheney. she is the one that could not remain in the tent as a republican leader in the party as it is right now. and i wonder what your advice is for democrats to push the gram back to reality? >> i completely agree with you. the only point i would argue with is that the center of the

country is like every single governor. the country is much more in that space -- >> i agree with you in terms of what they assert, but if you're just mapping it all out, they are in the middle. the republicans are the one that's have fallen off on the right. >> they have gone, the republicans took the train to the east coast, they got on a boat, and they went all of the way to russia. i think the republicans have done a very good job of that and the seconds part is the party of ao krshs and whatever they use. but they also combine it'd with another thing which is they allowed and many of us in the media, i would say, have allowed this dynamic to develop that they are one left, one right, and take your pick depending on

where you are in this and the republicans love that dynamic. if the center of the country thinks they both moved, and what we have to do is one, understand what the brand of the republican party is and convey that every day. the brand of the republican party is full of people who think marjorie taylor green is more popular than liz cheney. you may disagree on issues, the other one has not. >> thank you for your candor. coming up, what is the ukraine

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despite the west and our nato allies banding together in nearly unprecedented fashion to help ukraine defend itself against russian aggression, a new report in mother jones suggests that the kremlin is still handily profiting off some of those countries.

russia has nearly doubled its revenues from selling fossil fuels during the two-month war, receiving $65 billion from exports of oil, gas and coal to eu nations. showing how vladimir putin continues to benefit as europe's main energy supplier, even as those countries attempt to prevent oil and gas from being used as an economic weapon. "the new york times" is today reporting that after many weeks, eu countries have agreed to a phased embargo of russian oil as early as next week. joining us now, director and producer alex skimny. he directed "citizen k" as well as other award-winning docs. i wanted to talk to you and understand it's been really difficult, especially with most of the western journalists leaving russia, to understand what's going on inside russia. i want your thoughts on the economic and political dynamic there at this two-month mark of the war in ukraine.

>> well, you alluded to it right off the top. there's a kind of backfire of a strategy employed by germany which is the idea of economic engagement with russia. to engage with russia economically, then you're going to change the country from the inside out. remember, we work in a political economy, not just an economy. so while money flowed to russia and is still flowing to russia from germany and italy and other countries in europe buying natural gas and oil from russia, the policy hasn't changed at all. it's gotten more autocratic. now, it's a dictatorship. so the policy has backfired and that puts europe in a very awkward position because putin is still getting lots of money as the price of oil rises, even though he's not able to sell as much, he's getting more money, and he's using violence as a

political tool, which is his, frankly, that plus control of the media has been his playbook since 2000. >> is it impervious from the criticism and the condemnation. president biden has called it a genocide. president zelenskyy has asked russia to be designated a state sponsor of terror. do those rhetorical tactics backfire as well? >> to some extent. i think you have to look at it -- there's the international perspective and then there's the domestic perspective. i think to some extent that criticism helps to bolster his appeal politically inside russia at the moment. where most people only see tv, which is controlled by the state, and many of the country's most educated people are fleeing the country. in fact i've helped over the past month or so, i've helped

any number of people get out of russia. so i think that's really the problem is that as much condemnation as there is from the outside, putin cynically keeps taking the west's money principally in revenues from oil while he gins up popular support because he is being victimized or russia is being victimized by the west. >> what is the best way, then, to weaken him in his own country? if his heinous acts and his elevation of soldiers who carried out the atrocities in bucha don't alienate him from a majority of the russian people, what will? >> well, i think ultimately the economic sanctions are going to take effect. lots and lots of russians are dying, even though putin has been trying to hide it. i don't think the effects of this war in russia are going to play very well over the long haul and they're not playing well over the short haul really

in terms of some of the effects that are being felt in russia. you know, people are coming home in body bags. and the economy, while they're getting revenues, there's lots of other things about the day-to-day economic effects of the sanctions that are having an effect. so over time the question is will either putin try to negotiate some kind of victory or will the people behind the throne finally say to themselves we're getting in worse and worse and worse of a situation. maybe we need to figure out how to get putin out. >> is there anyone that you are aware of inside russia that is using the miscalculations and the immoral nature of the war in a political arena or are those people silenced? >> they're pretty much silenced. alexei navalny is in prison. almost anybody who rises up and says something is in prison. there's no independent media anymore. so what you see now is a full-fledged dictatorship, something straight out of

orwell. so that's the problem. the problem is -- but even in a dictatorship, people began to feel the economic pain and real pain of losing loved ones, you know, in this war that putin has prosecuted. >> and, you know, it's our understanding that at least 15,000 russians have died. so your point is, as this reality takes hold, which isn't expedient enough for people in the west that it will have an impact. we'll love to call on your unique understanding, i hope you will come back. >> thank you so much. >> a quick break for us. we will be right back. a quick . we will be right back.

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