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of dateline. >> so for this edition of dateline. i'm andrea canning. thank you for watching. >> welcome to the show. i'm zerlina maxwell. russia launched a brazen and deadly missile attack on the ukrainian capital of kyiv, just hours after the un secretary general was there meeting with ukrainian president. republicans continue their culture war attacks. this time, it down in the state of georgia, where the governor signed new bills restricting the discussion of race in classrooms. and allowing trans student athletes to be excluded from sports. we'll get into all of that and more this hour.
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but we want to start with covid. as two of the people closest to the president have now tested positive. white house communications director, kate bedingfield, who received her positive test result, friday morning. and vice president, kamala harris, who's been working remotely since testing positive earlier this week. harris has not been with the president sent over a week ago. and bedingfield says that when she was last with president biden up view days ago, they were socially distance and wearing masks. but these latest infections among high-ranking officials in the administration are a reminder of just how transmissible new covid variants are. ba.2, a subvariant, of the highly contagious omicron variant is still dominant in the u.s.. but an offshoot of that ba.2 dash 12, is rapidly gaining ground. and it's believed to be responsible for a new spike in cases in new york state. in light of the fast spread of these sub variance, doctor
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anthony fauci caused some confusion this week when he said, the u.s. is quote, out of the "pandemic phase". comments which he later clarified in an npr interview. >> we are certainly, right now, in this country, out of the "pandemic phase". namely, we don't have 900,000 new infections a day. and tens and tens and tens of thousands of hospitalizations. and thousands of deaths. we are at a low level right now. i want to clarify one thing, jen. i probably should've said the acute component of the pandemic phase. and i think -- i understand how that can lead to misinterpretation. is the pandemic still here? absolutely. >> joining us are my two favorite twin sister doctors. doctor uché blackstock, ceo of advancing health equity. and doctor oni blackstock, founder and executive director
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of advancing health. justice oni, this question is, all due respect to dr. fauci, who i greatly and deeply respect, who had to clarify some of his remarks, i feel like it's part of a bigger problem. a people acting as if this pandemic is over. and the government not helping to counter that misinformation and it misperception. >> i totally agree. i was very shocked to hear him say this. especially as we see cases rise and in almost every part of this country, due to the omicron ba.2 subvariants. and i think it added to the confusions that many americans already have. there are so many actions happening that are suggesting that we are at out of the pandemic. we see the lifting of mask mandates across the country, including in the transportation setting. we have a number of jurisdictions that are no longer reporting with the same frequency.
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we're seeing new definitions of covid hospitalization. so, his comments just further confounded things. where we're having increasing rates, but then we're getting this message that we're out of the pandemic. >> and, uché, i want to ask you about this piece that i was reading earlier in the washington post. which reported that covid deaths are no longer overwhelmingly among the unvaccinated. why is the proportion of vaccinated people dying of covid going up? and explain what this may mean about the importance of booster shots? >> thank you so much for asking about this. because i think people need to realize they are still at risk and we still should be using covid protections. but what we're seeing is there are more people proportionally more vaccinated. that's one issue. the other issues because of a more transmissible sub variant and because we lifted covid protections. people who are compromise or
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elderly, are still at risk and dying from covid. and that's something that we cannot ignore. i mean, we even saw an increase in deaths over the last few months. and supposedly, we have this narrative that if omicron is a mother variant. and we have to get away from that. we have to say, look, we are still very much in that pandemic. yes, cases may be lower than they have been in the past. but there are still people who are incredibly vulnerable. even if they are vaccinated. we do see that, and people who are boosted, they are much light left lead to die. but i think that also were more effort needs to go, getting people fully boosted. we are not there yet. we need more elderly people and immunocompromised people fully boosted. we also have to think about what happens when we lift those covid protections and make everyone vulnerable. i >> want to pick up on that point about the vulnerable and the elderly. folks that may be vaccinated or even boosted, but that the
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vaccine and the booster does it give them that full protection. that's where the rest of us, and what we're doing, come into play, oni. i feel like the hospitalizations and deaths, focusing on that, and not necessarily the long term impacts. saying that these variants are milder, when we're not talking about the long covid parting potential. do you think we're obscuring the danger right now in public spaces? not just to the vulnerable, but even those who may end up with long covid? getting one of these milder variants. >> yes, definitely. i think that we are not taking seriously the threat of long covid, as well as we don't know what the impact is of having recurrent covid infections. we don't want to roll the dice on this when we know that there are measures that can be taken, that are really effective at at least mitigating the spread of the virus. right now, we have very little
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protections. there's very little in the way of actually working to reduce the spread of what we have now, as a highly transmissible virus. it's actually been compared to measles in terms of the level of contagious miss. when we have a virus this contagious, even if people are taking precautions, it's not enough. we have some people masking and others not masking. that's not going to be as effective as when everyone is masking. because that enables us to actually keep society open. we can keep stores open. essential services open. if everyone is taking steps to ensure that they're safe, as well as others. >> one of the big pieces of news this week, which i think is incredibly, music to the ears of parents everywhere. moderna seeking a emergency use authorization for its vaccine for kids under the age of five. it feels to me like that's that big unvaccinated portion of our population, uché, that we sometimes forget about.
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they're also vulnerable here to covid-19. because they have not been vaccinated at all. channel hospitalizations went up during the omicron surge. speak to how important it's going to be to have a vaccine for young children. babies essentially. no babies in america are vaccinated. how important is it for parents that they will have this option to vaccinate young children? >> it's incredibly important. they're 18 million children under five that will be eligible for this vaccine. and there are many parents out there that have been anxiously awaiting this vaccine. so, we know that children -- even though they may be less likely to be hospitalized. as you said, they still are being hospitalized. when we looked at 2021 covid is still right among the top ten leading causes of death in children. so, this is very, very significant. we know from the moderna data that these vaccines are still very, very effective. they are affective miss against
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infection in children is very similar to that in adults. and we know that their body response is suspicion that in adults. i think that this could be a game-changer. the channel inch will be the, getting parents and convincing them to get their children vaccinated. and we see about a third of children be vaccinated. why is that going to look like for babies? parents probably have extra concerns. i think that's where the biden administration and public health department really need to focus their effort on engaging with appearance, pediatricians, daycare centers and gear caregivers, to really encourage getting vaccinated. >> really important that finding's could become really important in terms of that information. being able to be disseminated all those folks. dr. blackstock and dr. blackstock, thank you so much for being here today. please stay safe. coming up, helping ukraine's refugee children. how woman, a refugee herself, is working with these children
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powering possibilities.™ secretary general toward kyiv and pledged more support for ukraine, days after he's two top after two top american officials met with ukraine's american officials met with the ukrainian president,. five russian missiles slammed into kyiv, killing at least one person and wounding ten others. that's according to kyiv's mayor. the strike ended a brief period
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of stability there, as roughly shift's focus to southern and eastern ukraine. it comes as civilians in war torn areas like mariupol still struggle to evacuate safely. and as the ukrainians, who have already left the country, work to adjust to their new environments. as of now, that both of ukrainian refugees have led to poland. most of them women and children. according to the on the ground reports, feel loss and directionless. some refugees are working to ease the transition for others, like one woman who just months after evacuating with her own son, is now helping other young refugees by teaching them polish. distracting them from the turmoil they faced in and helping them better acclimate to their new normal. daria shyshenko joins me now. daria, first off, thank you so much for being here. >> thank you for asking me to be here. >> so, what made you want to start teaching? and how has it been so far
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interacting with these children? >> well, i came to school to send my some to polish school. and i just overheard teachers talking that they need a teacher. and i tell them, i'm a teacher. maybe you would like to have me the part of your team. and that's how i came to be a teacher. that's how i became part of the teaching program for ukrainian refugees. >> i love that you saw a need and you filled it. i feel like that's sort of a universal lesson for all of us. tell us more about your own journey out of ukraine and how you are able to get out safely with your own son. >> we had a long journey. i woke up at 5:00, the 24th of february, to go for a run. and then i had a telephone call from my friend. and she told me that the war has started.
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she told me, pack your things and go. so, i had to wake my son up. and we had only 20 minutes. we just took documents and my son and me, we left kyiv. we went by car to my parents town. and from there, we went to moldova, then romania, where unfortunately, my mother got sick because of the stress. she has gastro, she has heard heart issues. so, we had to stay seven more days in romania. then we went to hungary, then slovenia. and then poland. >> wow. i mean, that is a harrowing journey across many countries. to get to safety finally. in terms of the children that you are teaching in poland, it feels like it's so important to
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focus on getting the kids back to a sense of feeling normalcy. and school is one of those few places, i think, you're able to do that. how has this war affected them? i mean, what are you observing as you teach them? how has it affected your own son? affected your o>> of course it. it all depends on the place where they came from. we came from kyiv and we left the first day of the war. so, we didn't see all those terrible things that has happened. but some kids, they came from kharkiv, from southern parts of ukraine. and of course, they have witnessed terrible things. for example, one of the girls, she refused to sit next to the windows, because afterwards we found out that she was wounded by glass. so, she's afraid of sitting next to the windows.
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another girl is just coming with pillows every day, instead of her backpack. so, children of course they suffer. and maybe they don't show it as adults, but they have it. >> it's so hard to hear that. do you want to go back home? do you want to return to kyiv? and as you see that there are attacks resuming near kyiv, in kyiv, how are you feeling about when and if you'll be able to return? >> it is a very difficult question, really. i think it's difficult for all of us, because on the one hand, we have everything there. i have my home, my life, my work. everything is there. but on the other hand, i understand it is a matter of life. so, of course, at the moment, we are unable to go.
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and this is just very dangerous, not only for me. for my son and my mom. so, we will not take this risk. >> that's totally understandable. i mean, when you say you will cup at 5 am to go for your normal run and you realized the war had begun, that's chilling. it gave me goose bumps. because i think we all can relate to the experience of getting up and going out for a run. but certainly not to your experience of having to flee in wartime. daria shyshenko, thank you so much for being here and for sharing your story. thank you for what you're doing, teaching refugees and poland. it's an incredible story. please stay safe. coming up, republicans are upping the ante in the culture war against education. we'll talk about the slew of new bills being proposed. up next. ing proposed up next.
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the cultural as the midterm election strategy. there is fake controversies with the hopes of turning them out to vote in november. a key piece of that strategy's focus on education. republican efforts to redefine schools. brian kemp signed a series of education bills into law this week that will restrict discussions of race in classrooms and allow for transgender athletes to be
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excluded from sports. joining me is randi, president of the federation of teachers. and msnbc political analyst susan. why is my question? why has the gop picked a schools as the battleground to fight these cultural war issues? >> because, right now, it is easy. here's the thing, zerlina. it is bad politics. it is bad policy. let's start off with the politics. you cannot grow a party and continue as a political organization if you keep telling people they are not welcome here, that they passed laws that are meant to hurt, meant to turn away. it may help them in a short term primaries but this is very bad political operations. it is frankly, dumb. on a policy issue, it is beyond harmful and hurtful to any school, to any child.
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i'm sure randy can get into this more. what is worse, it is bad government. there is a school teacher, they let me re-say that. there is a teacher shortage in georgia schools. with that, with a bill that sets out to a punish teachers, potentially, you will see the same problem that you did in states that had democracy and voter suppression laws that went after workers. they are not going to show up. >> it is an important point randy, you are a teacher. you are actually a history teacher. i love that about your background and being able to talk about the specific topic. why do you think the gop has targeted the most vulnerable students with these laws? what do you think, and you have this experience, is the potential damage? >> look, i am so glad to be on with susan. at the end of the day, with the
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political parties, and i am putting my social studies teacher had on as opposed to my union president hat on. the political parties are about trying to define issues and showing choices on economics, education, civil rights, all sorts of other things. we always had these two political party system. you show a difference in terms of policy. in terms of future of this country. what these laws are doing, they are dehumanizing people. they are trying to create or exacerbate the fear of the other. they are much more in tune with what autocrats do, and with what happens in totalitarian countries as opposed to our democracy democracy which is about bringing people in. lifting everyone up. this is what education is about.
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long term, they will completely failed. in the short term, but they are doing, is making people feel really bad at the same exact time as people have felt bad for the last two years. we have two years of disruption. we have a mental hiles crisis for a kids that is exacerbated by social media. it is two years of not normalcy. what we really need to do right now is we have to have a welcoming and safe environments in schools, in camps, on the streets, to bring people in. to recreate joy, to actually say that you are going to be okay. what is happening is, this is a political process. it is a motivated politically to keep a fear alive. it is to keep chaos alive it is to disrupt. it is really wrong for people. to the people it is really wrong about, it is that trans kid. taking to that kid who does not
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know who he, she, there is. take the good, take a black who was in a classroom who you can no longer talk about slavery to. take the white kid who might be disabled. what are we doing to kids who are vulnerable? we have to have the freedom to learn, and the freedom to be, and to really lift up everyone's lived experience. that is what the statue of liberty says in neil harbour. that is what our country is about! frankly, as a kid whose grandparents came from ukraine, and we see what is going on there, we have to make sure that we are safe in our democracy and that we have the empathy to help all kids survive. that is not a republican issue. that is not a democratic issue. it is not an independent issue. ultimately, it will fail! it is hurting people right now. it is hurting kids. it is hurting who they are and it is hurting our ability to
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teach on his history and meet kids where they are. >> randi weingarten and susan, i want to thank you for being here. i wish we had more time. such an important topic. thank you both. please stay safe. coming up, msnbc correspondent joins us to tell us about how some black fishermen in louisiana could be facing their most difficult challenge today, as the state works to save the disappearing coast. we'll be right back. disappearing coast we'll be right back. you know liberty mutual customizes your car insurance,
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change are being felt all around the world, i want to zone in on a place where it is particularly affecting people of color. louisiana. as inevitable rising sea levels are threatening livelihoods on the louisiana coastline, a 50 billion dollar plan to protect this state has cleared an important hurdle with the army corps of engineers, delivering a long awaited environmental impact assessment.
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for a key part of the project. however, that's not all good news for the fishing industry there which has been led predominantly by the black community. joining me now, msnbc correspondent, trymaine lee, who's been covering this story. trymaine, tell us about what you've seen on the ground? >> zerlina, if there ever were and rock in a hard place, this community has found themselves matched up in the middle of that. while louisiana it loses about a football field of its coastline every 100 minutes, the small black communities are really bearing the brunt of this impact of climate change and coastal erosion. so, the states multi billion dollar plan to save the coastline might destroy not just communities like point lash, but a culture and we of life. let's take a listen. >> on the east bank of the mississippi river, about an hour south of new orleans, there's a small fishing village quaint -- >> this place was like no other. it's worth 62 year old byron was born and raised. where his father and
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grandfather taught him how to fish. we're generations of black fishermen have made a life. and depended on the bayous and the waterways that surround this place for food on their tables and paychecks in their pockets. >> this was a, man. this was my life. >> this was the lifeblood of the black fishing community? >> oh, yeah, absolutely. this is the largest black community here. >> like byron, the people in this community have always stood strong. but over the decades, man-made catastrophes and natural disasters have slowly chipped away at their way of life. and their lucrative businesses. today, the once booming bayou is mostly silent. what did this marina mean to the vitality of the community? >> oh, this was it. this was the main source of revenue for the community. >> and now, the community fears a state plan intended to save louisianans eroding coastline could deal these fishing villages a final blow.
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according to state estimates, louisiana lost more than 2000 square miles of coastline between 1932 and 19 two and 2016. in part, because of climate change. in order to reverse the flow, state authorities want to divert fresh river water into areas like point lash. hoping the sediment filled water will deposit nutrients along the coast. rebuilding what was lost. but the problem for oyster men like byron, is the freshwater needed to build back that led, can also kill the already depleted waster population. a population that depends on soul water to survive. and could drive other species like shrimp further into the gulf, where they would be out of reach for fall or smaller shrimp boats. that brothers operate a seafood company named little wakes. >> my grandfather told us. play the moon. if the moon is right, we just go drop, start testing. >> they say, naturally occurring divergence have already made it harder to fish
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here. >> we used to go maybe five minutes from here. just turn here. >> right there used to be loaded with shrimp. >> now, we have to go to, three hours that. we >> the states freshwater diversion program, a 50 year, 50 billion dollar effort, is still in the planning and permitting stage. the state telling nbc news, they know in the short term, their plans will hit some in the fishing industry, especially hard. but it's the best long term plan to reverse coastal erosion. the williams brothers, disagree. >> they're seeing the sand they pump in here, they could pump the sand out of the bayous back into the march. >> far byron, watching the culture slip away cuts deep. >> it just hurts your, hartman. just to see so much just disappear. >> zerlina, one thing is clear talking to those folks. they say no matter what policy changes happens, no matter what happens with hurricanes and other disasters, there are there for the long-term. they want to stay to continue
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and passed on the legacy and tradition. but if things go at the been going, they might not be a point last much longer. zerlina? >> so hard to hear. thank you so much for covering, that trymaine lee. appreciate you being here. please stay safe. coming up, why one mega rap star still feels like she's got to prove that she was a big dome of a shooting. why we should keep listening to her. we'll be right back. should keep listening t her. we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ with a bit more thought we can all do our part to keep plastic out of the ocean. (vo) verizon is going ultra! and now, you can too with the offer you just can't miss.
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thee stallion was shot several times in her feet. she soon after accused fellow rapper, tory leans, for being the assailant. they were backed by two felony charges against lanes whose real name is de starr peterson. this included an assault with a semi automatic weapon. he pleaded not guilty. still, in two years since the shooting, megan as been treated as if she was on trial forced to prove her victimhood against people who want to dismiss her claims. the rapper spoke about the dynamic in a recent interview with gayle king. >> i would rather it play out in court and the facts come out and everything comes out, than me having to plead my case. i am a victim. i'm the victim.
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i am not defending myself against anything. something happened to me. >> doctor tree valencia, an associate professor of women's, gender, and sexual studies at ohio state university joins me now. you just heard megan talking about her experience with having to prove over and over and over again that she was a victim, when we have charges, we have photographs, we had witnesses. why is she the one that has to prove that she was victimized when there is so much evidence? why can't we just take her word at face value? >> in a brief word and a brief raise, i say massage an all-war. this is a particular form of misogyny and anti black racism that black women and girls are so often attacked by and under scrutiny by. it is a deep patriot of, a fear
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of, and mistrust of. the mistrust part plays a huge part here in the way that we process, and so many are attacking, the rioting, and dismissing her. it is a long history of not believing black women, not listening to black women, let alone protecting black women. megan is sadly one of our most recent examples of how this plays out at this level. >> one of the things he wrote recently is i am both exhausted and infuriated by the indifference and the hatred spewed towards megan. a refusal to engage and sent a message to black women that we need to silently and/or and unequivocal-y protect those who harm us. we cannot continue to sweep things under the rug. what do you think is driving people's desire to move on from the story and act like, why is she still talking about it? >> i think there is one of the people who will not believe her even if they saw a video of him
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shooting her or her being shot. it would not convince them. i think people are riding this fatigue because of this disdain, because of the focus on a black woman, in such a way that people do care that this happened to her. we are advocating from her. the fatigue is why are we doing this thing that we usually don't do when it comes to black women and girls? it is defending them. we are speaking up for them. we are is cystic that we continue to tell her story. insisting that she does not to defend herself, but rather share her truth. i think this insistence is rating people's nerves. we are not used to actually having to care and hold space for a black woman who has been on display. the free frequency with which black women are abused, the frequency with which people are harmed, and the frequency with which black women are killed --
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>> i thought about this a lot, because megan it's my favorite rapper, is the content of her music and her onstage persona and how this plays into the response of her being a victim. in her music, she has agency, she has bodily autonomy, she is in control of what happens to her body when she's a victim in real life, not as her persona, in her real life, i think there was a resistance to even accepting her as a victim because of the massage you are that she faces in response to her music. there are so many people who are critical that she has agency, she has the nerve to say i want this to happen to my body, in her music. speak to the dynamic of her persona and how that also played into how people responded to her victimhood. >> absolutely! there are people who went into the situation, went into assessing the decision situation, with a deep hatred
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and dislike for her and a fear of a black woman who was so explicitly and overtly claiming her sexual autonomy. her sexual desires and pleasures. the empower that she evokes when she performs. we joke about working and all of this but there are a side of people that was disturbed and bothered by a black woman who the desires to be so self assessed, and dynamic in a rich way. when she was harmed they were saying, she is so big and bad and is not allowed a space to be vulnerable and victimized. now they are weaponizing how she performs and this persona against her to discredit the fact that she too can be vulnerable and victimized, and harmed. this also goes into her size as well. she is a tall, statuesque woman who is curvy. transphobia plays into this, the ways that people are trying to identify her as masculine, andy feminized her in this.
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they are denigrating trans women. it is so many layers to this that points out and highlights how far we have to go to hold space and care and hold black girls and women before they are harmed. >> i love that she has used her platform, like her performers on snl, that we need to protect black women. professor tribe lindsay, thank you for this conversation. i am grateful for you for your peace and insight. thank you again. as we go to break, 30 years ago on friday where the beginning of the l.a. riots. on april 29th, 1992, four police officers were acquitted on all charges in the beating of rodney king. after the verdict, the black community in los angeles, which had a tough relationship with police, was angry and frustrated. protests and violence and rubbed it in parts of the city where it went up in flames. over 100 fires burned killing
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happened to so many people out there. they're happily reading, relaxing with a good book. by a famous author. when, boom, they're hit with a passage that the means women. now this kind of literary sexism is getting called out on a new medium, tiktok. kimberly wetherell, is an audio book narrator and she has a tiktok series called literary man shaming. where she exposes sexes passages in books by famous writers from stephen king, philip roth, to bill bryson. and his 1989 book, lost continent travels in small town america. take a listen to one of the examples. >> the teenage daughters of these fat women are always utterly delectable. soft, gloriously rounded and naturally fresh smelling as a basket of fruit. i don't know what it is that happens to them, but it must be be awful to marry one of those
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new bile cuties knowing that there is a time bomb ticking away in her. that will at some unknown date make her billet out into something huge and grotesque. presumably, all of a sudden, and without much notice, like herself inflating raft from which the pin has been yanked. >> kimberly wetherell, joins us now. so, kimberly, literary passages like the one we just heard about -- teenage daughters of so-called fat women. they're just shocking to hear. i want to actually play another one here that you made about a woman's appearance by cookbook author, david leave a bits. let's take a listen to that to. >> if you like the hearty taste of guinness stout, this is the ice cream before you. i was curious as to whether the beer flavor was too strong. so, i asked my friend heather, a knockout whose microscopic we slain belies the fact that the girl really knows her beer, to
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come by and taste. >> what do you think it tells us that mail rioters have forever use this kind of language about women and girls looks, and nobody took a second glance. they didn't blink. they didn't do what you did and call it out this week. >> it's pretty indicative of the fact that there are clearly more men than women on the -- all the way up the entire publishing chain. you just think, if there was a female editor, or junior editor, or egin, or in junior asian, or copy reader. just somebody in there that would read and go, you know, maybe we might want to rethink objectifying these women. you'd think that somewhere there would be that stopgap. but whether it's the authors notoriety or whether it's just
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so many men just, hey, that's what it is. skinny women can't possibly like beer. it's just [laughs] laughable, honestly. it's laughable. >> no, no, no. today was actually -- this week is the last day of that might partner. something she always says about patriarchy and the shells journey is that it's stupid. like, your world view is actually stupid to think that skinny women don't like beer. like, that's actually a dumb thing to say. it's not jobs not only offensive, it's also idiotic. why do you think me misogyny and stupid stuff like this included in some of these classic works, why haven't been in question till now? why do we ignore them? beyond just who is in the publishing industry? >> that's a great question and i don't know that i'm
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necessarily qualified to answer that big of a question. but i can remark -- i've john done 21 of these up so so far. and still pretty new to tiktok. what's been really interesting in the comments is there are one of two camps. you either have the folks who are outraged. we can't believe the same things that you're thinking, that i'm thinking. how is this possible? how did this get from a typewriter to the printing press? how did this get allowed? it's ridiculous. and then there's the really interesting other camp where that people are like, yeah, but it's just fiction. it's just the writer is writing from the characters perspective. and is so deeply embedded within us to accept it. i mean, i don't find it acceptable for a fictional the decorative to comment on a woman's looks and say, she should -- it's a good thing she developed
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a good personality. because otherwise, the alternative is suicide. that's not acceptable anywhere. and it's shocking. and on some levels, it's funny. and it's just bad writing. comparing ellen's breasts to pink nose fish or picked tipped thumbs. i mean, that's just bad writing. but there are other sections and snippets that i've been finding that are deeply painful. and sometimes, i actually have to take a break, because i can't do it. it's awful. >> i like that you say it's bad writing. it's like, peach ercot is dumb. most allegedly issued stupid. when you include it in your writing, and meets it bad writing. kimberly wetherell, it's been a pleasure to have you. i love that you're doing this on tiktok. and doctrine these young people. get them to notice the massage any is stupid and dumb. thank you and be safe. that does it for me. i'm zerlina. you can find me monday through friday friday, streaming
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